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Munchees Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.12 05:42:00 - [1] I'm probably going to end up homeless in a month because of circumstances I don't want to go into detail about. However, I would like tips for people who have experienced this ****. Any tips for survival? Luckily I don't live in a city or anywhere near the ghetto so I think I won't have to worry about being attacked and stuff. I'm trying to derail the thread.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.08.12 05:47:00 - [2] Possible solutions (in no particular order) : * move in with your home-owning life partner (get one of those if you don't have one) * keep visiting different friends... for extended periods of time * offer your services as house-sitter in the newspaper or wherever * move back in with your parents * go get a job which requires you to live in job-arranged housing * join the army EVE issues\|Mining revamp\|Build stuff\|Make ISK
BeaconBeacon	Posted - 2009.08.12 06:33:00 - [3] Honestly I could give you better tips if I knew the circumstances. I have been homeless once before and it looks like I will be in 4 months or so (until I can't rent the apartment anymore) I plan to live in the lab where I'm doing research at (my professor said it was OK). I have a cot, a fridge, and a microwave, and I'm gonna have my mail delivered to a friend. Tips for food though. One, learn to drink water. It's free everywhere. Two, purchase cheap food whenever you can, and dont buy anything that will spoil in a week or so, only food you will eat right now or will last ten years and requires little if any preparation (MRE's for example, cans of tuna). Learn where the homeless food places are. In my city I know where a few are from volunteering, looks like I'll be eating at them with you :P. But seriously, learn where they are. My biggest piece of advice: don't be a piece of ****. There is no shame in not having a home or money, hard times fall on many people, it's how we respond that defines us. Keep knocking down doors for jobs, keep going to school, keep doing whatever. Just don't lay down and die, cause if you do, you go from being homeless to being a dirty bum. The hardest part is the mental game. Surviving is relatively easy in today's society. In fact its very easy. Keeping your sanity and staying sharp isn't. You will want to just give up and even though now you will find you have a lot of free time, you won't use any of it because you won't be motivated. It sounds weird but trust me, it's how it is. Don't fret, if you find even an entry level job with minimum wage, you'll be very capable of renting a dirt cheap apartment and having enough money for at least food. (Where I live minimum wage is almost 10 dollars an hour, and a cheap apartment is 500 bucks a month. working 160 hours a month, you could swing it.) Remember, the hardest part will be the mind game. Stay alert, stay alive.
Munchees Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.12 07:16:00 - [4] well the circumstances are i'm 19 and as much as I my parents love me, I haven't been able to get a job. I dont have enough money to afford college (they can't either with the economy the way it is). So they are kicking me out. It's probably for the best. I'm trying to derail the thread.
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.08.12 07:24:00 - [5] And they won't help you find an apartment or place to rent? Uh... Your circumstances defy all logic. nm. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Arvald Caldari Imperial Manufactorum	Posted - 2009.08.12 07:26:00 - [6] do you have anything like a job corp inyour area? its baiscally free schooling and housing, they teach you how to do a job and help you FIND a job after your training is over, here is their site job corps. might be worth looking into ok but seriously, next person that derails my thread gets a railroad spike shoved through their neck
Munchees Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.12 07:26:00 - [7] Originally by: Jin Nib And they won't help you find an apartment or place to rent? Uh... Your circumstances defy all logic. nm. I live in America. Logic isn't part of our lives. They probably would help me find a place to rent if I had a job (I wouldn't be getting kicked out though, now would I?). Which I don't. I'll probably chill with friends for a while and then join the army I suppose. I'm trying to derail the thread.
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.08.12 07:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Munchees Originally by: Jin Nib And they won't help you find an apartment or place to rent? Uh... Your circumstances defy all logic. nm. I live in America. Logic isn't part of our lives. They probably would help me find a place to rent if I had a job (I wouldn't be getting kicked out though, now would I?). Which I don't. I'll probably chill with friends for a while and then join the army I suppose. Yeah. Clearly if a guy can't find a job and has no means to support himself that's the right time to kick him out of the house... I'd go with the friends option, hey it worked for Cobain. GL Or piracy. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.12 08:42:00 - [9] http://www.goarmy.com/ Seriously. Circumstances really depend on where you live also. You will have top check your local state welfare office, and jobs center.
ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.12 12:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Munchees Any tips for survival? go and live on a low income country where u can live whit 200-300$ per month if u get web skills make a blog/set affiliates(ebay pay quite good)/adwords/etc will be quite easy for you to get 200-300$ per month Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist EvE FTW

Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.08.12 12:20:00 - [11] ******. No matter how bad things get, you won't even care.
Sazkyen	Posted - 2009.08.12 13:16:00 - [12] Edited by: Sazkyen on 12/08/2009 13:28:20 - Commit a low profile crime and march into prison. Get free education. - Sign up with the army (and get free education). With an unblemished record (honorable discharge etc) you could get a decent job as security personnel/police officer/FBI/etc. Also, I don't know how things work in the US, but military service years (just as police/firefighter/etc) usually count twice. That is, 1 year is counted as 2 normal years in work. So a military type can usually retire early in life. Ofc you could get killed if things come to that. But then again, there's no reward for not taking any risk at all.
Iasius Mercurialis Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.08.12 13:18:00 - [13] Edited by: Iasius on 12/08/2009 13:18:45 I would consider the army. I applied to join the UK army two years ago. Not that i would have got in though as i was above the maximum age and my er loonytunes record. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. ~Saint
xOm3gAx Caldari Stain of Mind	Posted - 2009.08.12 13:21:00 - [14] Seriously man with the economy being the way it is here best thing u can do is join the army... I know a few homeless ppl and quite frankly you don't wanna go down that road. Originally by: CCP Abraxas Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights.
Gone'Postal Void Engineers Mass - Effect	Posted - 2009.08.12 14:03:00 - [15] Go the way of the forces. Originally by: masternerdguy Officer mods arent spread out because the bpos are innacesible to 99% of eve.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Liberi Fatalius Exalted.	Posted - 2009.08.12 14:06:00 - [16] Applied to the Army myself a few months ago. It's a lot harder to get in these days than it used to be (at least in the UK) and I doubt it's going to get easier, but the benefits (free or heavily subsidised healthcare, accomodation, food, travel, education, etc ontop of a healthy wage) make it almost stupid to not try, especially in your circumstances (not-so good education, no money, nowhere to stay) I'm not in yet mind, it's a long process and I've still got selection to do; all I can say is if you're really thinking about it, contact them sooner rather than later - Malyutka (The Virus) -
Velvet69 eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.12 14:26:00 - [17] Maybe if you spent less time on these forums and more time looking for a job you wouldnt be in this situation? IXC Velvet69 Proud Member of 'The House of Prawn' If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions
Sazkyen	Posted - 2009.08.12 14:42:00 - [18] Edited by: Sazkyen on 12/08/2009 14:47:14 Just walk in to the recruiter. The rest is up to them. "Hi dude! Thought I'd check on you homies... needa' job, have guts, willing to shoot." Should they ask your reasons for wanting to join, tell them you want to be a policeman or something similar in the future. Or that you want a life-long career. Don't tell them that you have no other choice. In fact, tell them you are undecided between the army and some other job.
LordSwift Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc	Posted - 2009.08.12 15:03:00 - [19] Originally by: Munchees well the circumstances are i'm 19 and as much as I my parents love me, I haven't been able to get a job. I dont have enough money to afford college (they can't either with the economy the way it is). So they are kicking me out. It's probably for the best. Well that is rather harsh. but i have been through exactly that. Half my fault and half my mums, i was out of work and to be honest no looking for a job. mum ended up throwing me out in the end. Slept at my ex's then my nans for awhile. then found a room at the YMCA. Worst experience of my life, met some nasty/scary people. So i would avoid that. To be honest i am still recovering from having to rush and sort my life out and a place to live. in debt and other things. If their is no way you cant stay under any condition then make plans now. Dont put it off until its to late. Also stop playing eve for the time being for about a month until your sorted. Seriously!!!!! Join the brown Coats today!!!
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.08.12 15:14:00 - [20] Stop paying for an online game and pool the money to pay for food...?

Sazkyen	Posted - 2009.08.12 15:20:00 - [21] You can get free education, earn some money, you wouldn't have to pay for a living. Also, you could do almost any kind of degree while in the Army. (Almost, since some degrees would probably require attendance, but we are talking about select ones here really.)
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.08.12 15:24:00 - [22] Edited by: Akita T on 12/08/2009 15:25:12 _ Hmm... that really doesn't make much sense... you parents are kicking you out because they can't afford to send you to college ? So what now, can they no longer afford to let you just live with them or what ? It's not like you couldn't live off of, say, 200$ a month or so if you really had to, they can't be THAT desperate for cash. Or do they just hate your guts so much they can't stand you living in the same house with them ? So... your parents... they're either the most ruthless, uncaring parents in the world... or they're pretty damn smart, but they don't know you well enough (as in, maybe they just THREATEN to kick you out so you would go out and GET a job already instead of wasting time and money playing an online game, but completely underestimate your willingness to disregard the "hard and honest" path for a quick-fix alternative). In other words.. ...you're either not saying something which is relevant (that they don't really mean it, or that you could remain in their house under certain conditions but you're just unwilling to do what they ask) ...or you're just jerking our chain here (as in, this story could as well be fabricated, for all we know). EVE issues\|Mining revamp\|Build stuff\|Make ISK
Gautan Virdamot Nebula Rasa Vanguard	Posted - 2009.08.12 15:38:00 - [23] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 12/08/2009 15:25:12 _ Hmm... that really doesn't make much sense... you parents are kicking you out because they can't afford to send you to college ? So what now, can they no longer afford to let you just live with them or what ? It's not like you couldn't live off of, say, 200$ a month or so if you really had to, they can't be THAT desperate for cash. Or do they just hate your guts so much they can't stand you living in the same house with them ? So... your parents... they're either the most ruthless, uncaring parents in the world... or they're pretty damn smart, but they don't know you well enough (as in, maybe they just THREATEN to kick you out so you would go out and GET a job already instead of wasting time and money playing an online game, but completely underestimate your willingness to disregard the "hard and honest" path for a quick-fix alternative). In other words.. ...you're either not saying something which is relevant (that they don't really mean it, or that you could remain in their house under certain conditions but you're just unwilling to do what they ask) ...or you're just jerking our chain here (as in, this story could as well be fabricated, for all we know). Check out the guys name, he's probably doing something else than just sitting around playing EVE that's not very constructive. Did anyone fraps it?
Mitawyn Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Slightly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.08.12 15:39:00 - [24] Originally by: Munchees Originally by: Jin Nib And they won't help you find an apartment or place to rent? Uh... Your circumstances defy all logic. nm. I live in America. Logic isn't part of our lives. They probably would help me find a place to rent if I had a job (I wouldn't be getting kicked out though, now would I?). Which I don't. I'll probably chill with friends for a while and then join the army I suppose.[/quot I cannot understand your parents. Putting you out on the street with no way to support yourself is not helping anyone by making one more homeless person. These times call for family pulling together, not apart. There are social agencies that can help, and as one suggested, there is the military. Talk to recruiters for all the branches and make an informed choice. You could launch a new way of life and a career.
Munchees Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.12 15:40:00 - [25] Edited by: Munchees on 12/08/2009 15:40:25 Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 12/08/2009 15:25:12 _ Hmm... that really doesn't make much sense... you parents are kicking you out because they can't afford to send you to college ? So what now, can they no longer afford to let you just live with them or what ? It's not like you couldn't live off of, say, 200$ a month or so if you really had to, they can't be THAT desperate for cash. Or do they just hate your guts so much they can't stand you living in the same house with them ? So... your parents... they're either the most ruthless, uncaring parents in the world... or they're pretty damn smart, but they don't know you well enough (as in, maybe they just THREATEN to kick you out so you would go out and GET a job already instead of wasting time and money playing an online game, but completely underestimate your willingness to disregard the "hard and honest" path for a quick-fix alternative). In other words.. ...you're either not saying something which is relevant (that they don't really mean it, or that you could remain in their house under certain conditions but you're just unwilling to do what they ask) ...or you're just jerking our chain here (as in, this story could as well be fabricated, for all we know). I've already cancelled EVE. You won't see me posting after the 15th of August. My parents know what they are doing. They aren't cruel they've provided for everything I need in life. I'm just an idiot I'm trying to derail the thread.
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.08.12 15:43:00 - [26] Have you er.... read the their wills recently? I mean... I'm only asking because er.... ummm....
Weight What	Posted - 2009.08.12 15:49:00 - [27] Haha, thank god! Glad Mom and Pop Munchees are kicking out their wastrel son, finally Hope you like dining at Chez McDonald's Dumpster... :D ----------------------------------------------- Annonymous, trading as "Weight What".
Munchees Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.12 15:56:00 - [28] Originally by: Weight What Haha, thank god! Glad Mom and Pop Munchees are kicking out their wastrel son, finally Hope you like dining at Chez McDonald's Dumpster... :D Oh why thank you. I'm trying to derail the thread.
Weight What	Posted - 2009.08.12 16:00:00 - [29] I would suggest that at the very least you should be browsing job sites instead of the forums... ----------------------------------------------- Annonymous, trading as "Weight What".
THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.08.12 16:00:00 - [30] Originally by: Munchees I've already cancelled EVE. You won't see me posting after the 15th of August. My parents know what they are doing. They aren't cruel they've provided for everything I need in life. I'm just an idiot Tough break dude, happens to the best of us. So uh, can I have your stuff? Originally by: Whitehound If I think, but I do not.

Munchees Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.12 16:04:00 - [31] Edited by: Munchees on 12/08/2009 16:04:23 Originally by: Weight What I would suggest that at the very least you should be browsing job sites instead of the forums... Maybe the part of the internet where you come from there aren't browsers with multiple tabs as an ability, but where I come from there are. Anyway if you are just going to insult me then I'd like to ask you to leave my topic please. @The L0CK: Maybe I'm trying to derail the thread.
Weight What	Posted - 2009.08.12 16:18:00 - [32] Originally by: Munchees Edited by: Munchees on 12/08/2009 16:04:23 Originally by: Weight What I would suggest that at the very least you should be browsing job sites instead of the forums... Maybe the part of the internet where you come from there aren't browsers with multiple tabs as an ability, but where I come from there are. Anyway if you are just going to insult me then I'd like to ask you to leave my topic please. @The L0CK: Maybe Look, you bring this problem to a public forum, so be prepared to encounter a panoply of responses. In all honesty, I'm not trying to flame you (well ok, I admit my first post was but I retract that - sorry). What I was trying to drive at was not necessarily the fact that you have the browser window open, but rather you concentrate your energies onto the task at hand. What I found which worked quite well - when I was looking for a job, not that long ago - was treating the search for work as a full-time job in itself; that is, you start the day with very clear start and finish times (9am to 5pm, say, with an hour for lunch) and not to deviate from that. It's all too easy to become distracted during this period, and put off the task at hand. With that said, I wish you luck ----------------------------------------------- Annonymous, trading as "Weight What".
Drunk Driver Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.08.12 16:23:00 - [33] Eat lots of bacon and don't pee on cops.
Jonny 101 Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.08.12 16:57:00 - [34] Yesterday, before I read this my life seemed pretty damn awesome. Now, when I read this, my life seems slightly more awesome.
Sazkyen	Posted - 2009.08.12 17:11:00 - [35] Originally by: Jonny 101 Yesterday, before I read this my life seemed pretty damn awesome. Now, when I read this, my life seems slightly more awesome. The sun shines a bit brighter, huh?
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.12 18:06:00 - [36] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 12/08/2009 18:08:23 In today's world I would not just hop into the military unless it was in the back of your head to begin with, but that is me and I will not go into why I think that way. I would say have you tried temp agencies? Typically if you get into some place through a temp agency, do a good job, you can end up with a full time job. Have you checked your local trade schools. Even in the current markets I find it hard to believe that a young individual is unable to find a job. Now; I can swallow the concept that you do not like anything that you could get into, but then that is a whole other story. I will stop the patronizing and leave you with a Good Luck. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=
Awesome Possum Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.08.12 18:08:00 - [37] Originally by: Sazkyen Edited by: Sazkyen on 12/08/2009 14:47:14 Just walk in to the recruiter. The rest is up to them. "Hi dude! Thought I'd check on you homies... needa' job, have guts, willing to shoot." Should they ask your reasons for wanting to join, tell them you want to be a policeman or something similar in the future. Or that you want a life-long career. Don't tell them that you have no other choice. In fact, tell them you are undecided between the army and some other job. ^ not this the recruiters don't give a **** why you're enlisting. With recruiting goals being met over 100% in all 5 branches, they're not having issues really. Just one tip, if you need a medical waiver for any reason at all, you'll probably be SOL. If you think you need a medical waiver (or they tell you that you do) your best bet is to try the National Guard recruiters.. if they won't take you, no one will. Instead of "just join the army", if you're in good health, have a diploma, and don't require a waiver.. how about actually trying to find a service you would enjoy serving your time in. check US Military for more infos. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
annoing Amarr Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2009.08.12 18:13:00 - [38] Well, thankyou for the welfare state in the glorious UK. Housing benefits etc etc. To get housing, have enough for deposit and 1st months rent. Go to Job Centre, fill in forms and register. Go to Social Services, fill in forms, register, get dole. Go to local council, fill in form, register, start getting housing benefits up to 95% of the rent + free council tax. You now have a flat (shared house, apartment whatever), the rent is mostly paid for by the local council/government/me, have some spare (VERY VERY little) cash left over for basic food/bills etc. BUT, you have accomadation, you have some spending money (true its very little but its better than ** all) and you can start your search, in earnest, for work. Originally by:** Zeba Its all the pron. Fappy people are happy people
Micheal Dietrich Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.12 18:23:00 - [39] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Even in the current markets I find it hard to believe that a young individual is unable to find a job. Now; I can swallow the concept that you do not like anything that you could get into, but then that is a whole other story. I really hate to do this to you but try wal-mart. You will hate it and you will hate yourself but a jobs a job and they usually are hiring. Work is work and I spent years working **** jobs before getting where I am now. Just grit your teeth and keep looking when your off the clock.
Sazkyen	Posted - 2009.08.12 18:33:00 - [40] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Slade Trillgon Even in the current markets I find it hard to believe that a young individual is unable to find a job. Now; I can swallow the concept that you do not like anything that you could get into, but then that is a whole other story. I really hate to do this to you but try wal-mart. You will hate it and you will hate yourself but a jobs a job and they usually are hiring. Work is work and I spent years working **** jobs before getting where I am now. Just grit your teeth and keep looking when your off the clock. Beggars can't be choosers.

Cing Liberdanis Abyss.	Posted - 2009.08.12 18:42:00 - [41] Chop of your legs and claim you were in the iraq war, people will give you more moneyz.
Kurfin	Posted - 2009.08.12 18:50:00 - [42] Trouble is with finding work at the moment is most places just aren't recruiting, even temp staff. And the trouble with being homeless is you normally need an address to get a job (at least you do in the uk, I assume it's the same in the us), so I wouldn't recommend that either. Rather than the army, which carries a high risk of losing life and/or limbs, you you get into the police or fire service? I know they are not low risk professions either, but still probably safer than Afghanistan. I feel for you being unable to get work, I was made redundant in June and haven't even been able to get an interview. There isn't much out there to apply for.
ZeJesus	Posted - 2009.08.12 18:52:00 - [43] You could also offer... pleasure... in exchange for generosity.
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.12 19:20:00 - [44] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 12/08/2009 19:20:22 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich I really hate to do this to you but try wal-mart. You will hate it and you will hate yourself but a jobs a job and they usually are hiring. Work is work and I spent years working ** jobs before getting where I am now. Just grit your teeth and keep looking when your off the clock. Yeah that was the whole other story I was talking about Slade Originally by:** Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=
ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.12 19:26:00 - [45] Edited by: ceaon on 12/08/2009 19:27:24 i leave my house after i got 18 but man that is a good reason to beat the **** out of them another point why you dont kick your own parents out of their house ? just say "hey where you will be in 20 years my baseball bat can wait" Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist EvE FTW
THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.08.12 19:42:00 - [46] Originally by: ceaon Edited by: ceaon on 12/08/2009 19:27:24 i leave my house after i got 18 but man that is a good reason to beat the ** out of them another point why you dont kick your own parents out of their house ? just say "hey where you will be in 20 years my baseball bat can wait" First you talk about bribing officers and now you're suggesting to him to assault his parents?! You wouldn't happen to work for the mafia would you? Originally by:** Whitehound If I think, but I do not.
Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.08.12 19:46:00 - [47] Originally by: THE L0CK Originally by: ceaon Edited by: ceaon on 12/08/2009 19:27:24 i leave my house after i got 18 but man that is a good reason to beat the **** out of them another point why you dont kick your own parents out of their house ? just say "hey where you will be in 20 years my baseball bat can wait" First you talk about bribing officers and now you're suggesting to him to assault his parents?! You wouldn't happen to work for the mafia would you? These aren't the kind of questions you should be going around asking people. If word gets out we may have to let a few bones get out.. of you. ________________________________________________ My Music
rValdez5987 Amarr Imperial Guard. Soldiers of Solitude	Posted - 2009.08.12 20:48:00 - [48] I moved out of my parents house with a mere 50 dollars in my bank account. Mind you I had a job, but still. Go out there and find one. Even in my state where unemployment is 16% there are jobs. You just have to make sure you aren't one of the 16% without one (due to lack of education, skills, ethics) One thing that certainly helped me is the fact that I've been working since I was 14.
Cyprus Black Caldari 4 wing Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.08.12 21:20:00 - [49] Originally by: Munchees well the circumstances are i'm 19 and as much as I my parents love me, I haven't been able to get a job. I dont have enough money to afford college (they can't either with the economy the way it is). So they are kicking me out. It's probably for the best. I've been in this boat before and it's awful. If you can't find a job, you're not looking hard enough or your standards are too high. Sure the job may be the worst ever, but it's a paycheck. The first thing you need to do is start selling off your stuff. Craigslist works exceptionally well. Sell everything off except a few pairs of clothing. You can always buy your stuff back after you've gotten back on your feet. You're going to need every penny. Second thing is do NOT start racking up credit card charges unless it's absolutely necessary (furniture is not necessary, cheap food is). Going into debt may not seem like a big deal now but trust me on this, it will come back to bite you in the ass and it'll be a thousand times more painful and last for years. Third is that it may be your attitude and behavior that's making things difficult for you. Being a teenager you're at odds with everyone and everything and it can reflect poorly with employers, apartment owners, friends, and family. You may have to swallow your pride which is sometimes hard. Forth is government assistance. Here in Texas, the number to call is 211. It may be the same for you where ever you live. Welfare and foodstamps may be your lifeline. Keep in mind that welfare is overstrained at the moment because EVERYBODY needs help. The chances of a Caucasian teenager coming from a middle class family to qualify for welfare and federal assistance is slim to none. Fifth is to consider ALL of your options. I barely crawled out of this hole years ago and I almost sank right back into it recently. What saved me this time? The military. I know it's probably the last option on your mind just above homelessness, but it's a good way to go. You are given a roof over your head, three meals a day, and all your needs are taken care of. I would stay away from the Army unless the Air Force, Navy, and Marines turn you down (and in that order too). I'll tell you this now if you're undecided. The military is filling up fast and all the good jobs are running out. If you're considering it, you need to lock in your job now. You should also look for a book called ASVAB for Dummies. The better you do on this initial test, the better job and higher pay you'll get in the military. ______________ Stupid people are amazingly clever at being stupid. They excel at slipping through idiot proof measures.
rValdez5987 Amarr Imperial Guard. Soldiers of Solitude	Posted - 2009.08.12 21:26:00 - [50] Originally by: annoing Well, thankyou for the welfare state in the glorious UK. Housing benefits etc etc. To get housing, have enough for deposit and 1st months rent. Go to Job Centre, fill in forms and register. Go to Social Services, fill in forms, register, get dole. Go to local council, fill in form, register, start getting housing benefits up to 95% of the rent + free council tax. You now have a flat (shared house, apartment whatever), the rent is mostly paid for by the local council/government/me, have some spare (VERY VERY little) cash left over for basic food/bills etc. BUT, you have accomadation, you have some spending money (true its very little but its better than ** all) and you can start your search, in earnest, for work. WOW, they do that in the UK? **, in the US you either have $1500-$2000 start up to get your own place or you just move in with a friend and pay rent that way.

Awesome Possum Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.08.12 22:00:00 - [51] Originally by: Kurfin Rather than the army, which carries a high risk of losing life and/or limbs, you you get into the police or fire service? I know they are not low risk professions either, but still probably safer than Afghanistan. Stop talking about the military. You have a much higher chance of dying to accident or disease, than you do of being killed, injured, or taken captive in combat. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Pulivin Motic Caldari Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.08.12 22:10:00 - [52] Edited by: Pulivin Motic on 12/08/2009 22:14:52 Edited by: Pulivin Motic on 12/08/2009 22:11:46 Originally by: Munchees well the circumstances are i'm 19 and as much as I my parents love me, I haven't been able to get a job. I dont have enough money to afford college (they can't either with the economy the way it is). So they are kicking me out. It's probably for the best. I recommend the armed forces, youl get a roof over your head and you can possibly turn it into a career if you work hard. edit- If you can try to get an air force or navy job, your chances of dieing will lower by tons and there is far more room for advancement yet another edit- A large portion of the people who are unemployed (not everyone) are people who have been far under the poverty line their entire lives living in an environment that promotes do as much as possible not to work.
Tef42 Gallente Monsters	Posted - 2009.08.12 22:48:00 - [53] 1. Move to big city 2. Visit public restrooms 3. ???? 4. Profit
dr doooo	Posted - 2009.08.12 22:57:00 - [54] I don't mean to be glib here, but why not just get a job. I may be way off the mark here, but from your few lines about your position ITT I am guessing that atm you are at a bit of a lose end, no direction or motivation in particular, and just killing time? (just like millions of teenagers before you, just like I was, and i'm sure just like millions more to come). Mainly living off of your parents stretched good will? Would you invest your own money in a college education for yourself atm if you had it? The fact that you are 'happily' calling their bluff here, planning on being homeless in 28 days rather than sorting it out, suggests that you are at loggerheads with your parents generally atm. (**, I've managed to pull something out the hat with hours to spare a few times, when it comes to finding somewhere to live, let alone giving up with 670 hours to go!) So why not just put that ** aside, swallow your pride, and get a job. By the sound of it, you may be in the lucky situation of not needing to worry too much about the wages/salary. There are plenty of interesting jobs you can get a foot in the door on, if you are asking for virtually no wages and show a little bit of initiative. Could you even get away with volunteering for a while? Why not help out with the homeless If you are adamant that you are not going to get a job, or I have misread the situation and you really are so useless that you have no chance of getting any job at all in the next month, then you had better start putting yourself about, networking, sociallising like crazy and nurturing contacts, ready for a life of 'ducking and diving' and living off of your wits as of next month. It worked for me for a while after I left home, and it sure beats the hell out of sponging of off reluctant parents or being a homeless 'victim'.
Cyprus Black Caldari 4 wing Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.08.12 23:01:00 - [55] Originally by: Pulivin Motic I recommend the armed forces, youl get a roof over your head and you can possibly turn it into a career if you work hard. edit- If you can try to get an air force or navy job, your chances of dieing will lower by tons and there is far more room for advancement The Air Force and the Navy are by and far the most difficult branches in regards to academic studies. This is what I went for. The Navy. Boot camp is not as difficult as some other branches, but the schools afterwards are tough as hell. One year of school in a Naval academy is about the equivalent of a full college degree. They cram so much into that one year. Still though, it's a good way to go. I'm going in for a full 15 to 20 year career. To hell with working at crappy retail jobs and barely squeaking by on the bills. ______________ Stupid people are amazingly clever at being stupid. They excel at slipping through idiot proof measures.
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.08.12 23:08:00 - [56] Originally by: dr doooo I don't mean to be glib here, but why not just get a job. I may be way off the mark here, but from your few lines about your position ITT I am guessing that atm you are at a bit of a lose end, no direction or motivation in particular, and just killing time? (just like millions of teenagers before you, just like I was, and i'm sure just like millions more to come). Mainly living off of your parents stretched good will? Would you invest your own money in a college education for yourself atm if you had it? The fact that you are 'happily' calling their bluff here, planning on being homeless in 28 days rather than sorting it out, suggests that you are at loggerheads with your parents generally atm. (**, I've managed to pull something out the hat with hours to spare a few times, when it comes to finding somewhere to live, let alone giving up with 670 hours to go!) So why not just put that ** aside, swallow your pride, and get a job. By the sound of it, you may be in the lucky situation of not needing to worry too much about the wages/salary. There are plenty of interesting jobs you can get a foot in the door on, if you are asking for virtually no wages and show a little bit of initiative. Could you even get away with volunteering for a while? Why not help out with the homeless If you are adamant that you are not going to get a job, or I have misread the situation and you really are so useless that you have no chance of getting any job at all in the next month, then you had better start putting yourself about, networking, sociallising like crazy and nurturing contacts, ready for a life of 'ducking and diving' and living off of your wits as of next month. It worked for me for a while after I left home, and it sure beats the hell out of sponging of off reluctant parents or being a homeless 'victim'. thumbs up This is what it seems like to me too. Otherwise the story just doesn't make sense. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Captain Hudson Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.08.12 23:38:00 - [57] Military sounds like a good solution to me, beside dont they pay for you college education after you leave?, sound win/win to me.
THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.08.12 23:42:00 - [58] Military specialist are calling this a good time to visit the recruitment center. dididoitrite? Originally by: Whitehound If I think, but I do not.
Brujo Loco Amarr Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2009.08.13 00:08:00 - [59] Have you considered, as an alternate lifestyle, pooling what money you might have left, and take a job as a Merchant Sailor? I know a couple of people that due to the harshness of their society, poverty and other stuff took to crewing tugboats, Blue crab hunting ships, regular fishing boats and regular cargo ships that need 24 hour on site crews as they sail across the whole globe. Requirements vary per ship/captain and nationality of port, but for instance, I know 2 guys that went blue crab hunting and after some trips made enough money to buy a small fishing boat of their own (with several near death experiences) It's a tough work, deadly sometimes, but in a sense it's like going into the army in regards to mortality if you are deployed to the front, minus the guns, it pays well tho, and if you a bit desperate it's an option. Also bear in mind that you can also come to live down here in Latinamerica or if you really want some quick money agree to marry a latinamerican man/woman to attain nationality, it's illegal but a choice nonetheless and I dunno about the legality of nationalization regarding same sex partners, but I know some guys down here that spent up to 20k USD to marry a U.S.A woman to get their green cards/nationalities etc. If you decide to come down here, and have some couple hundres USD and decide to become a national, you can get deep into the Cuban based Venezuelan government sponsored indoctrination plans that work with the poor and they can give you benefits, like cheap housing/food, the bare essentials but better than nothing. Also, you can become a national and try your luck in the jungle of evilness that is here and eke out a living. I can guarantee that if some people here live with less than 50$ a month and they eat well you can too. If you are young, you can sell your body quite well down here too, and all I would have to do is point out to the newspapers here so you can phone them. No, i'm not joking or trolling, being bluntly honest if you are desperate. People that starve to death in LatinAmerica are people that don't know any better, and you being a guy that plays eve shows you at least get ideas coherently. It's common to see crazy psychotic people on the streets here or the open roads, food is easy to obtain in a tropical country. Besides if you are blonde/fair skinned/tall and not overweight you can get certain jobs here easier too. Politically speaking you can even ask for asylum in my country fleeing the Imperialistic "demonic" U.S.A if you really want to go that way too. My country is nuts and undergoing a socialist change, things are pretty shaky down here but you won't starve and will find a place to stay too. I have seen some "gringos" down here go "native" and some germans too, they kinda like the ruthlesness of the streets and the wild feeling of being here. It's evil down here, I repeat it, but for some, that feeling of wild chaotic existance seems to fit them. Giving you choices from this side of the fence bro, best luck to you and your endeavours. You can also try going to other countries in latinamerica, like Brasil for instance and try you luck. Be a bum of the world, not the street. Cheap to come down here if you catch a boat as a crewmember. Cheers --- Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
nahtoh Caldari Vanguard Frontiers	Posted - 2009.08.13 00:18:00 - [60] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Applied to the Army myself a few months ago. It's a lot harder to get in these days than it used to be (at least in the UK) and I doubt it's going to get easier, but the benefits (free or heavily subsidised healthcare, accomodation, food, travel, education, etc ontop of a healthy wage) make it almost stupid to not try, especially in your circumstances (not-so good education, no money, nowhere to stay) I'm not in yet mind, it's a long process and I've still got selection to do; all I can say is if you're really thinking about it, contact them sooner rather than later Well the foods cheap, but thats all you can normally say about it without swearing a lot Personally I would make sure its something you really want to do though... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self

Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.08.13 00:20:00 - [61] Originally by: nahtoh Originally by: Rawr Cristina Applied to the Army myself a few months ago. It's a lot harder to get in these days than it used to be (at least in the UK) and I doubt it's going to get easier, but the benefits (free or heavily subsidised healthcare, accomodation, food, travel, education, etc ontop of a healthy wage) make it almost stupid to not try, especially in your circumstances (not-so good education, no money, nowhere to stay) I'm not in yet mind, it's a long process and I've still got selection to do; all I can say is if you're really thinking about it, contact them sooner rather than later Well the foods cheap, but thats all you can normally say about it without swearing a lot Personally I would make sure its something you really want to do though... Ya, I know that joining the army would be my last resort, I'm not exactly "Army material". Other than that I know a friend who does a bunch of online contests and such for free stuff or small amounts of cash. Even if it's something like computer parts, you now won't have to pay for a bit of your entertainment to keep you going during these rough times. ________________________________________________ My Music
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.13 01:38:00 - [62] For all the ***ing about illegal immigrants coming into the US and taking our jobs you would think that any true US citizen could find a job...but most of our our citizens are not willing to get some dirt under their nails. /alcohol speaking , but it is the truth Slade Originally by:** Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=
Giggles Vonhappypants	Posted - 2009.08.13 01:49:00 - [63] Originally by: THE L0CK Originally by: Munchees I've already cancelled EVE. You won't see me posting after the 15th of August. My parents know what they are doing. They aren't cruel they've provided for everything I need in life. I'm just an idiot Tough break dude, happens to the best of us. No it doesnt
Munchees Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.13 04:02:00 - [64] For those of you telling me that I should try for even the crappiest jobs I know I'll hate. trust me, I have. I've applied (and been interviewed) at McDonalds for christsake and they wouldn't hire me. Not just Mcdonalds, every fast food chain you can think of. I don't have enough "experience" or I'm "not who they are looking for". Maybe I'd get "experience" if you hired people. I've only held one job before and well that was seasonal. Let me tell you I worked my ass off at that job. I ****ing overachieved in the hopes that they'd keep me on after the holidays. I'm trying to derail the thread.
Jacki Zero	Posted - 2009.08.13 04:26:00 - [65] Originally by: Munchees For those of you telling me that I should try for even the crappiest jobs I know I'll hate. trust me, I have. I've applied (and been interviewed) at McDonalds for christsake and they wouldn't hire me. Not just Mcdonalds, every fast food chain you can think of. I don't have enough "experience" or I'm "not who they are looking for". Maybe I'd get "experience" if you hired people. I've only held one job before and well that was seasonal. Let me tell you I worked my ass off at that job. I ****ing overachieved in the hopes that they'd keep me on after the holidays. Do you have a criminal record? Do you do drugs? Alcoholic? McDonalds is a first time employer, experience is never an issue. So is it one of the above 3?
Munchees Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.13 04:37:00 - [66] Originally by: Jacki Zero Originally by: Munchees For those of you telling me that I should try for even the crappiest jobs I know I'll hate. trust me, I have. I've applied (and been interviewed) at McDonalds for christsake and they wouldn't hire me. Not just Mcdonalds, every fast food chain you can think of. I don't have enough "experience" or I'm "not who they are looking for". Maybe I'd get "experience" if you hired people. I've only held one job before and well that was seasonal. Let me tell you I worked my ass off at that job. I ****ing overachieved in the hopes that they'd keep me on after the holidays. Do you have a criminal record? Do you do drugs? Alcoholic? McDonalds is a first time employer, experience is never an issue. So is it one of the above 3? I'm not a convicted criminal. I rarely drink alcohol, and I smoke weed even more rarely (only 4 or 5 times in the past year), but McDonald's doesn't drug test. I'd probably pass one, anyway. I'm trying to derail the thread.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.13 04:42:00 - [67] Originally by: Slade Trillgon For all the ***ing about illegal immigrants coming into the US and taking our jobs you would think that any true US citizen could find a job...but most of our our citizens are not willing to get some dirt under their nails. /alcohol speaking , but it is the truth Slade There is a flip side to that. I'm surrounded by Farm land and ranches and with those comes a lot of illegals who work all day in the sun generally with no insurance and they tend to be paid a pittance under the table. Others tend to take menial cleaning jobs either being maids or janitors at places like Albertsons or Wal-mart (who occasionally get caught if you read the papers). Of course people complain that they are taking our jobs and if these people are found out then they get deported and the person responsible for hiring them can face charges. But when the jobs are offered to legal citizens (Americans), they scoff at the idea of working so hard for such a measly wage. The big thing is that most of these jobs that we complain about being taken away from us are the absolute bottom rung of the economy ladder. We're talking about laundry or car detailing, **ty company standards and no future what so ever, not some executive position at a fortune 500 company. In the mean time on the ranches you've got 20 of these guys sharing a place that may be no bigger than a walk in closet for some people. I'm sure many of them do not enjoy it either as they can get a rancher or farmer who runs the place like a tyrant, telling them to do something that they may not want to do. But what can they do? Go to the police or the BBB? That will be a free ticket back to Mexico. Personally I'm a bit on the fence when it comes to the illegals around here. Yes it has brought gangs and drugs up here from down south and that's bad rubbish I do not want. But there also those who come here to work and to hopefully make a life for themselves and their family and they so afraid to get caught that they try to make themselves as invisible as possible. They tend to keep quiet and never look you in the eye. For me though I say if they want to become something then they should at least be given the chance, not all of them are bad apples. Yes it would be better if they signed up for a visa but that can take years if it even happens at all and some of them some times just can't wait that long.
Velvet69 eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.13 05:00:00 - [68] Originally by: MuncheesI've applied (and been interviewed) at McDonalds for christsake and they wouldn't hire me. Not just Mcdonalds, every fast food chain you can think of. I don't have enough "experience" or I'm "not who they are looking for".[/quote If Macca Dees wont have you, I suggest this lot or the Catholic Church. Take your pick. IXC Velvet69 Proud Member of 'The House of Prawn' If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions
Micheal Dietrich Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.13 05:06:00 - [69] Originally by: Munchees For those of you telling me that I should try for even the crappiest jobs I know I'll hate. trust me, I have. I've applied (and been interviewed) at McDonalds for christsake and they wouldn't hire me. Not just Mcdonalds, every fast food chain you can think of. I don't have enough "experience" or I'm "not who they are looking for". Maybe I'd get "experience" if you hired people. I've only held one job before and well that was seasonal. Let me tell you I worked my ass off at that job. I **ing overachieved in the hopes that they'd keep me on after the holidays. Funny story there. I had a period of time where I was having trouble finding a job too. My friend was working for Wendy's and he told me to apply there because they hire everybody and went on to tell me how the latest hire looked like a meth addict straight from the trailer park who hadn't showered in five days. So I applied. They said no. /facepalm But I started my career working at McD's usually mopping the floor or something and quit 4 months later with no warning (bad friend advice). I did manage to get a job working maintenance at Peterbilt later on but after an on sight injury I was fired. He claimed I wasn't doing my job. Then I couldn't find work for the longest time until I got hired at Roundtable pizza which later turned into Idaho Pizza. Spent several years there before trying out Albertsons working on the freight crew where the crew were ***s, the manager was the queen *, and they didn't bother training me at all. In fact they expected me to be top notch on my first night. By the end of the month I told them all to off and went back to IPC full time (and damn am I glad I kept that job part time while I was training) Then came Winco. They were opening a new store so I applied there and got a job in their pizzeria (go figure eh). Eventually I got a transfer to the bakery where I spent several years having fun but then we received a new manager who blatantly played the favorites game and I was not a favorite. It wasn't that I was a bad employee, I just didn't kiss ass. With reluctance I transferred to the Freight crew. Was doing fine for a while until we became a skeleton crew and since I was one of the few who had a heister license it meant I had to start pulling in 16 hour days 6 days a week. I had no life. On top of that I was trying to move at the time and it eventually ate away at me so much that I slept in one night and got fired for a no call no show. Just one. I knew crew members there that had up to 8 and were doing fine. With the money I made from those shifts I took the next 3 months off aside from helping a my friend at his print shop. But eventually funds were running low and I was having a hard time trying to find a job so I broke down and applied to wal-mart and I knew where they were gonna stick me. I did leave quite an impression there though with my freight throwing abilities but I got caught in kind of a love triangle (or whatever shape has like 20 sides because the *** slept with everyone, just like the store she was open 24 hours a day). I transferred to a different store where the crew sucked ass. I was outperforming everyone by 3 times at least and the other 2 guys that were supposed to work with me were always calling in sick. I could get the job done (1500 pieces in 8 hours) but I'd be sick as a dog by the end of the shift. Finally I got fed up and went to a manager about it and he flat out told me that I will never leave the freight crew so I said watch me and I walked out. Luckily at that time I was bar tending part time in the mornings. Then I got my lucky break and heard about openings at HP so I applied, they hired me with my print shop experience and I lit fire in that place making promotion after promotion. Even now I wouldn't trade all my bad days at HP for even one good day at any other place and its been 5 years now of being noticed and making a difference
Midou Li	Posted - 2009.08.13 05:28:00 - [70] Judging from the amount of people screaming "Join the army" Im going to pull a conspiricy theory out of my hat and state that there is a possiblity the OP is a planted char by the US Army, the story is bull**** and this whole thread is a recruitment front.

Munchees Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.13 05:31:00 - [71] Originally by: Midou Li Judging from the amount of people screaming "Join the army" Im going to pull a conspiricy theory out of my hat and state that there is a possiblity the OP is a planted char by the US Army, the story is bull**** and this whole thread is a recruitment front. Actually I'm an alien. we need as much humans in the military so we can kill them all, that way when we enslave humanity there won't be soldiers or former soldiers who could lead revolts. I'm trying to derail the thread.
Awesome Possum Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.08.13 05:43:00 - [72] Originally by: Midou Li Judging from the amount of people screaming "Join the army" Im going to pull a conspiricy theory out of my hat and state that there is a possiblity the OP is a planted char by the US Army, the story is bull**** and this whole thread is a recruitment front. the US Army is currently at 110% of its recruiting quota... they need less people right now, not more. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Midou Li	Posted - 2009.08.13 08:04:00 - [73] Originally by: Munchees Actually I'm an alien. we need as much humans in the military so we can kill them all, that way when we enslave humanity there won't be soldiers or former soldiers who could lead revolts. thanks for outing yourself as a troll Originally by: Awesome Possum the US Army is currently at 110% of its recruiting quota... they need less people right now, not more. K nvm then. I thought it was below with the losses from iraq. I will profess ignorance now because i am not an american :B. I like the beavers and the pancakes(if you don't know where im from now google beavers and pancakes and you should find it out)
Cyprus Black Caldari 4 wing Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.08.13 08:39:00 - [74] Originally by: Munchees Originally by: Midou Li Judging from the amount of people screaming "Join the army" Im going to pull a conspiricy theory out of my hat and state that there is a possiblity the OP is a planted char by the US Army, the story is bull**** and this whole thread is a recruitment front. Actually I'm an alien. we need as much humans in the military so we can kill them all, that way when we enslave humanity there won't be soldiers or former soldiers who could lead revolts. Well at least we won't have to be slaves, seeings as we'll be dead and all. ______________ Stupid people are amazingly clever at being stupid. They excel at slipping through idiot proof measures.
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.08.13 08:46:00 - [75] Originally by: Midou Li Originally by: Munchees Actually I'm an alien. we need as much humans in the military so we can kill them all, that way when we enslave humanity there won't be soldiers or former soldiers who could lead revolts. thanks for outing yourself as a troll Originally by: Awesome Possum the US Army is currently at 110% of its recruiting quota... they need less people right now, not more. K nvm then. I thought it was below with the losses from iraq. I will profess ignorance now because i am not an american :B. I like the beavers and the pancakes(if you don't know where im from now google beavers and pancakes and you should find it out) Bad economy means high rate of recuitment. That's all. The losses in Iraq and Afgahnistan wern't what was causing the personel shortage, it was the fact that until the economic collapse there was plenty of other options available for young potential army people. I wonder if they ditched the stop-loss nonsense, that would be a nice. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
sp3cial forc3s Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.08.13 10:26:00 - [76] Join the Army mate. Best move you will ever make!!!
Amataras Minmatar Rule of Five The Junta	Posted - 2009.08.13 12:40:00 - [77] Originally by: sp3cial forc3s Join the Army mate. Best move you will ever make!!! Unless of course it becomes the last move he ever makes. --------
Grathar	Posted - 2009.08.13 12:47:00 - [78] It is tough, I moved out when I turned 15. Hard to find a job, finally found one as a bus-boy at a sushi restaurant. I ate only when at work and the boss only allowed me to eat table scraps from paying customers. You have to just suffer through it. I still completed high school working full time. I placed high enough on army placement test to secure a good position via contract...yes, sign a damn contract or the army will put you in the most miserable job possible. Start taking correspondence courses immediately, this is free and does not count monetarily toward your army college assistance. I served eight years and completed my BS only two years after with the credits I already earned while still in. I did not have an easy time in the army as I was very used to looking after myself. Bite your tongue, do what you are ordered even if it makes zero sense in your mind. The army is a very communistic type of society and very different than what America is. If you put in serious effort, you will get serious results out of it. Only hard, concentrated work/effort without foolish pride will move you on from there. Good luck
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.08.13 13:16:00 - [79] As long as you don't end up murdering brown people for money, it does not matter what you do, you'll be doing just fine.
Jubei316	Posted - 2009.08.13 13:29:00 - [80] the Op is either a mahoosive C U Next Tuesday or his parents are very harsh and possibly are cra,ckheads etc



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