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Trimutius III
Legio Octae
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Cheekything
What about us pirate mission runners why dont we get some mission low too :(
I suppose it takes some time to make new missions especially Epic Arcs, maybe we will see those later...
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CCP Big Dumb Object
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sturmwolke
1) In short, you've got a dialog display reliability bug here. I've also noticed the blank black mission dialog on several occasions, even with the normal agents.
2) The choice "Silence Rahsa: The Nation's Path" takes me to a True Power agent under the Sansha's Nation banner. My Sansha standing is -7.5 modified. Here comes the problem. By rights, this path is closed to me .... but yet it is offered. To make it all galling, it is offered without even a pip-squeak of a warning note to those who don't qualify. Should I or should I not click on this choice? What will happen if I did? If the path is truly closed, then why do you need to even have it offered? Just have it greyed out eliminate all that confusion!
P.S There's a minor text mistake in "Background Check Encounter". The text says the manor is in Nebian, but mission directs you to somewhere else (I forgot its name).
The text display issue is known, and one we're hoping to solve.
To the Sansha question, once you are on an epic arc, agents will no longer make standings checks. So even if your Sansha standing is absolute crap, for this arc you can still successfully take the Sansha path. The only instance this wouldn't hold true is if the branch also took you into faction X's space and you were at KOS status. Luckily Krethar Mann is hiding out in Kor-Azor space and won't be so cruel to you.
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CCP Big Dumb Object
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Cheekything
What about us pirate mission runners why dont we get some mission low too :(
Feedback from Apocrypha 1.0 convinced us that our first priority for release was high level empire arcs. The Apoc 1.5 arcs are the result of that. However, we are even know working through our final drafts of designs for the next arcs, and more than a few of them are of the "legally dubious" variety.
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Cheekything
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Blade.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object
Originally by: Cheekything
What about us pirate mission runners why dont we get some mission low too :(
Feedback from Apocrypha 1.0 convinced us that our first priority for release was high level empire arcs. The Apoc 1.5 arcs are the result of that. However, we are even know working through our final drafts of designs for the next arcs, and more than a few of them are of the "legally dubious" variety.
Yay do love you CCP  I BE PLUNDERING DEM LOOTS YARRR
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Sturmwolke
Genyosha Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object
To the Sansha question, once you are on an epic arc, agents will no longer make standings checks. So even if your Sansha standing is absolute crap, for this arc you can still successfully take the Sansha path. The only instance this wouldn't hold true is if the branch also took you into faction X's space and you were at KOS status. Luckily Krethar Mann is hiding out in Kor-Azor space and won't be so cruel to you.
You have standings check for the starter agents (which follows the standard mechanics that many players are familiar with). Now in the middle of this epic arc, you are telling players to suspend their beliefs and make the leap forward into empty air, metaphorically speaking.
At the very least, have the courtesy of putting up a clear signpost saying that there IS bridge, it's just invisible. The majority of players are not omnipotent beings who dredges up obscure dev links to prove a deviation from the mechanics.
Assuming it occurs in one of the epic arc, that exception of going into faction X space whilst you're on KOS list also deserves a similar note, imo. Put it up for posterity. Now, if anyone misses that, then they should be given a Darwin award.
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Malfesa Longoten
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object
The text display issue is known, and one we're hoping to solve.
To the Sansha question, once you are on an epic arc, agents will no longer make standings checks. So even if your Sansha standing is absolute crap, for this arc you can still successfully take the Sansha path. The only instance this wouldn't hold true is if the branch also took you into faction X's space and you were at KOS status. Luckily Krethar Mann is hiding out in Kor-Azor space and won't be so cruel to you.
Any chance I can get some feedback on the problem I mentioned here, or should I just wait until these appear on Tranq and try it again there?
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Sturmwolke
Genyosha Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.18 22:35:00 -
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1) "Making an Arrest" - Amarr arc. Err .. what just happened? Warped in, I see Harkan's Manor sitting 37km. Waited a few mins, no ships in sight, no responses. Mission objectives were a bit vague, so ok maybe god wants me to blow his manor into little pieces so that it'll either drop a container of some sort or force Harkan into running off in a cloaked ship ala Rahsa? Boom! there goes his manors and everything. Wait a few mins, no ships in sight, no feedback whether Harkan had ran off or not ... nothing zilch, nanimo nai! Ooooook, maybe the mission designers included a proximity trigger. Got closer. Bingo! Mission objective completed! From a 1 to 10 rating, I give this a -10.
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Titan Pilot
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.19 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object
Lowsec missions are something we debated about internally. We understand lowsec is a risky prospect, particularly when your character isn't kitted out specifically for that playstyle. However, it is a major element of EVE. We wanted to have that option available to players. So yes, lowsec missions are in. But we've made two design decisions that we hope will mititgate the problem elements.
1) The vast majority of lowsec missions are tied to particular branches. These branches focus on the more legally dubious options available to the player, making lowsec a natural choice. However, the player will most often be presented with an explicit choice between this and a safer--if lower paying--hisec branch.
2) Lowsec complex sites for these arcs are designed to be completable in interceptors or assault frigs. Get in, make some pretty explosions, get out. These are still level 4 in difficulty, so although you won't be fighting fleets of battleships, you will have a difficult fight for your ship class ahead of you.
/rant on
Are you kidding me? You do realize that PVP and PVE setups are mutually exclusive? Maybe you should play the game instead of sit in a board room eating those lovely muffins and drinking that fine coffee... actually that sounds good... can I join you? please  
/rant off
Actually, I understand what your trying to accomplish, but mission runners are not going to bite. Most runners are solo and they are not going to go looking for others just to complete an arc, especially not when its in low sec. For all they know they are ganging up with the alt of a pirate....
So yes they will stay safe, anyone in their right mind fitted for PVE will.
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something somethingdark
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Posted - 2009.08.19 02:49:00 -
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sooo
like...
the problems highlighted by people make me wish more could actualy test run the mission arcs....
remember the first one ? massive testing lead to massive bug discoveries and massive changes
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Yager Starhunter
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Posted - 2009.08.19 03:40:00 -
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One item that has not been actually answered yet is what standings will be needed to start the chain itself?
is it going to be 6.8 with caldari state for the caldari chain, or 6.8 with a particular corp like caldari navy to begin the mission chain?
Just trying to collect the facts so the other members in my corp can know if they qualify for the arc or not. I know that either way I would qualify for 2 of them.
Thanks
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Malfesa Longoten
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Posted - 2009.08.19 19:06:00 -
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Well, it has only been ONE WEEK since this thread was started. ONE WEEK to adequately test these missions.
I still see lots of unanswered questions, problems pointed out and not addressed, and so on and so forth.
So, CCP, are these really ready to be released to the masses tomorrow? I can't see how.
What bugs me the most is that you open up a thread - a sticky no less - asing for input and feedback, and then don't even address over half of the problems and concerns brought up. So, did you guys magically fix these and just not let us know about them?
I just hope so, otherwise there's gonna be even more petitions than usual on patch day... including one from me when I get to "The Breakout" again.
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Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.19 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Malfesa Longoten
I still see lots of unanswered questions, problems pointed out and not addressed, and so on and so forth.
the problem with testing the arcs is that they still use TQ mechanics and you cant rerun them to see if CCP actually addressed the issues.
i agree that it can be very fustrating that CCP dont answer peoples questions and interact more but seem to cherry pick responses. with any luck we (those who tested) gave enough feedback for minor issues to be addressed or ignored as they were issues placed there by design.
having a short test period avoids people who were there to map the arc and find the best routes for the best items which is exactly what WILL happen on TQ when the guide shows the entire tree and isk/rewards etc
as always its fun to watch people die in the first week of nw missions and watch that forum catch fire with complaints about poor testing and QA. hence why i use SISI more and more each patch :)
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Killer Gandry
Caldari
Red Horizon Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:37:00 -
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Knew it would pay off to run lvl 4's more and more in AF's solo or with corpmate(s)
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Shirley Serious
Amarr
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:50:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Sturmwolke
3) "Longing Leman". I'm not well versed with the Amarr RP background stories, but the title doesn't seem to make sense when you read its mission briefing. Who the heck is Leman?
Leman is an old word, means sweetheart or lover. In that mission, it refers to Lady whatsername, the scheming minx.
Yes.
Yes, I am. |
Terminus Vindictus
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Terminus Vindictus on 20/08/2009 16:59:50
So I started running the new epic Caldari mission on the test server the other day, and I was a bit confused when I got to the first choice in the chain. The mission is called "The Paths that are Hidden". It offered me three choices - one Empire, one losec, and one 0.0. I took the safe choice as a test, and went to the appropriate agent as requested. After I got done getting there, he sent me back to the first agent that was offering the three choices, and now I had to choose one of the other paths. So basically the Empire path was a dead-end. Is that intended? Seems like a false choice if it doesn't go anywhere, and you end up being forced to go into losec or 0.0 to continue the chain.
Oh, and the 0.0 destination is a joke. I can't imagine a time when that destination will not have a giant bubble with the appropriate camp waiting for anyone trying to drop off their mission materials. It should have been inside the station to at least give mission-runners a fighting chance to escape the trap. All they'd have to do is to circle the container at 3-4k to de-cloak any approaching mission runner before they can drop off the materials, and game over. I'm guessing the losec destination would have the same issue.
I couldn't continue the chain because I'm waiting for Science V to finish training so I can train Hacking, which is required for the follow-on mission.
Hello, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help. |
Sardia Jax
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.08.20 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Malfesa Longoten
Still working on the Caldari epic arc and I get to this:
The Breakout
Mission briefing
ItÆs time for you to put that ID tag to use and see firsthand what it is weÆre fighting against down here. WeÆve been receiving reports of a new prison facility being erected somewhere in the Aokinen constellation. ItÆs a decent distance away and in low-security space no less, so IÆd undock in something small and fast.
Your mission is to discover the prisonÆs location, bypass the security forces and slip inside. Once youÆve made your way through there will be people of ours to free. Your only concern is saving them. If you can expedite their recovery by avoiding conflicts in the outer perimeter then you should do so. Our priority is our people, above all else.
If youÆve never done any exploratory scanning before, then now would be a good time to learn. The Federation is skilled at hiding their secrets, but I have a feeling that a facility this size will be found easily enough.
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Ok, so there's something wrong here. In the Aokinen constellation, there aren't actually any low sec systems. So either it's a low sec system NOT in the Aokinen constellation, or it's a HIGH SEC in said constellation.
Considering I would have no idea which one of many many low sec systems to even begin with outside of that constellation, I probed out all 9 systems in Aokinen. No prison. Nothing even remotely related to the mission. Some Guristas plexes, some roids, and not much else.
Am I missing something obvious, or is the mission borked?
WHAT?!? its narrowed to a whole constellation, not even a specific system? screw that...the time it takes to do all that bull***t, not taking into account low sec issues...could do a couple l4's...these rewards for the end of the arcs better be friggin worth it....now if only the q wiould move alone at faster than a snails pace...
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Karl Civan
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Posted - 2009.08.20 18:52:00 -
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Waaaaait, what? 6.8 *faction* standing? I'll do level 4s and come back in another decade or so, then? 
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Malfesa Longoten
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Posted - 2009.08.20 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
NOTES
* The new Caldari Epic Arc has been temporarily disabled
lmao... brilliant
My concerns about these not being ready were right.
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Solid Prefekt
Haven Front
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Posted - 2009.08.20 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Malfesa Longoten
Originally by: CCP Fallout
NOTES
* The new Caldari Epic Arc has been temporarily disabled
lmao... brilliant
My concerns about these not being ready were right.
So, is this down for hours or days? Should I sit in the system, or leave?
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egegergergsdgedgege
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Posted - 2009.08.20 22:29:00 -
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Regarding the Epic Arcs:
I was really looking forward to them. Im not an uber mission runner. I really get bored quite fast from the ever repeating missions. From the arc i was expextiong some new missions connected by some nice story.
So i grabed a ship and piloted it to Josameto where the Caldari Agent is. But what did i find in Josameto? An Agent from a corp i never heard about with a standing requirement of 6.8.
Of course i do not have the standing to the corp nor do i have a high enough faction standing towards Cadari State. Maybe that is not a problem at all for hardcore mission runners but the casual mission runner like me wont be able to enjoy this content without many hours of more grinding.
I dont want to run dozends of level 4 missions nor do i have the time for that. So the consequence is that i cant access that content. Sorry but the standing system is just stupid here.
Elgaris.
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Zaknussem
Intrum Industria
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Posted - 2009.08.20 23:09:00 -
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As usual, trust CCP to fail to bridge the gap between their intended ideas and bringing them to life. Business as usual.
However, this thread is particular is pretty much saved by CCP Big Dumb Object, who again actually responds and gives meaningful answers in a nice and polite way on the forums. He talks to us. Many CCP staff can learn from him.
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Shigins
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Posted - 2009.08.21 00:59:00 -
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i've done like 250 missions for Fed-Admin and only got a Gallete Standing of 2.8...... and i need over 6 to do the epic arc that just wants me to quit it just for missions grinders. i wanted to do it because it be something different then missions over and over again.
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SilentSkills
Gallente
Hydro Chronic
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.08.21 14:56:00 -
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CCP get your head out of your ass.
WTF is up w/ the 6.8 standing to be able to run the mission?
The agent's corp is impetus WHO THE HELL RUNS MISSIONS FOR IMPETUS? /emorage
Your pigeonholing the arc on people's ability to get their faction standing to 6.8, which pretty much ruins your other standings, unless your a dedicated mission freak with positive standings w/ all factions.
So are you copying Blizzard? making new content that can be used by the minority that can run the arc w/o risk of ruining their other standings?
NICE JOB CCPlizzard
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Assimil8r
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Posted - 2009.08.22 15:09:00 -
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These "epic" arcs are not deserving of the moniker. They're essentially WoW's quests - something that has been part of that game from day 1 and should have been present in EVE from its first live build. I see nothing "epic" about adding simple branching missions, particularly since their addition is only 6-odd years late. And fighting the same dumb BS spawns that you get in standard Level 4 missions is hardly epic either - you could have at least increased their numbers to "OMGWTF" levels.
That said, these arcs do make PVE gameplay a lot more immersive and you definitely feel as if you're making a difference, something that's sure to attract new players to EVE and revitalise interest in older players who've grinded the same Level 4 mission a dozen times.
Finally, I have to say that I appreciate the fact that these missions send players to low- and null-sec space. It's good for PVE-ers as it gets them out of their comfort zone and exposes them to the "wild side" of EVE... and of course it's good for PVP-ers. :)
So thanks, CCP, and please add more of these missions ASAP!
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SSteejans
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Posted - 2009.08.22 19:04:00 -
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so what are the special item rewards for finishing the arcs?
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Pytria Le'Danness
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Posted - 2009.08.24 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: SSteejans
so what are the special item rewards for finishing the arcs?
Check here:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1156610
In short, don't bother unless you are Caldari.
Or you are Gallente and want to portray a psychotic mass murderer working for the SS.
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Slave 2739FKZ
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:29:00 -
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So yeah... it happened, people is gatecamping the destination system in 0.0 for the caldari arc. Was so obvious, but I guess is better to not have random destination  
WIS is an expansion which allows EVE players to wear leather and walk around stations.
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dosperado
Denial of Service
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Posted - 2009.08.31 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: dosperado on 31/08/2009 10:15:16
Edited by: dosperado on 31/08/2009 10:13:38
Edited by: dosperado on 31/08/2009 10:12:15
*WARNING* *WARNING* *WARNING* *WARNING*
My Amarr Empire faction standing dropped from 9.94 to 9.46 while doing that Amarr epic arc!
-2.4% This penalty was incurred for destroying Amarr Empire's Outpost Defender in Amdonen
-0.02% This penalty was incurred for destroying Amarr Empire's Imperial Templar Diviner in Amdonen
-0.0% This penalty was incurred for attacking Amarr Empire's Imperial Templar Phalanx in Amdonen
If you love your high faction standings...DONT DO THE MISSION ARC..it's just an annoying mission design if you lose faction standings towards the faction you fly missions for....I am really ****ed off! Petition seems not to help as the GM seems to be not so familiar with standings and missions. &%º$%%
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Hussain
Gallente
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.31 11:43:00 -
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Hi
Just did the first mission of the arc "The Tolle Scar" but I dont see any continuation.
The agent that gave me the mission (Gian Perele of Impetus) mentioned that he needed extra help but I cant find him (even searching the name) and dont have a single clue on how to proceed.
Thanks
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