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CCP Tanis	Posted - 2009.08.12 18:12:00 - [1] Welcome to round two of our epic arc releases. We return from the depths of Atlanta to bring you 4 mighty problems that can only be solved with violence on your part. Things these arcs are/have: Empire specific. Each of the major empires get one arc. Each arc contains at least one path that will not take you out of that Empire's space. Level 4, Quality 16. Balanced with an eye toward total rewards. Missions against enemies with low/no bounties will have higher mission rewards to balance with their high-bounty cousins. Exclusive arc-end rewards. Each arc gives out an exclusive item, often exclusive to the ending your choices bring you to. Difficult deadspace battles. They can kick your face in. New arc illustrations for the Epic Journal (as well as updating the banner for Blood Stained Stars). More choice-based branching. What these arcs are not/do not: Mutually exclusive. Doing one arc does not prevent you from doing the others. Newbie friendly. You will get shot up. Mega-standings. Currently these arcs reward standing as one would normally expect from level 4s. We are pursuing solutions. The arcs themselves are as follows: Amarr Title: Right to Rule First Agent/Mission: Karde Romu in Kor-Azor Prime, "Aiding an Investigator" (Remote Offerable) Caldari Title: Penumbra First Agent/Mission: Aursa Kunivuri in Josameto, "The Intermediary" Gallente Title: Syndication First Agent/Mission: Roineron Aviviere in Dodixie, "Impetus" (Remote Offerable) Minmatar Title: Wildfire First Agent/Mission: Arsten Takalo in Frarn, "A Demonstration" As always, questions/comments most welcome. ____________________________ I break thingsÖ CCP Tanis - EVE Quality Assurance\|EVE Live Team CCP Games

Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.08.12 18:24:00 - [2] Do those arcs feature anti-empire objectives or are they 'standings-safe'? There are people that like to stay on the good side of all empire factions. -------- Ideas for: Mining

CCP Big Dumb Object	Posted - 2009.08.12 18:39:00 - [3] Originally by: Abrazzar Do those arcs feature anti-empire objectives or are they 'standings-safe'? Actual standing loss for fighting faction ships will be infrequent. Most missions have been designed to override the usual NPC-kill penalties. Players should see minimal standing hits after running an arc. Exception: The Amarr arc "Right to Rule" has the player shooting the crap out of Sansha in the first third, but there is an option to turn that around before the end.

Trimutius III Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.12 18:45:00 - [4] Originally by: Abrazzar Do those arcs feature anti-empire objectives or are they 'standings-safe'? There are people that like to stay on the good side of all empire factions. I can't see your point... I too want to be at good side of all empire faction (+Angels if possible) and the main problem... that agents are 4 lvl quality 16 (different corps i suppose) so u actually need 6.8 Faction standing to do Epic Arc... How u suppose to get that without going to bad side with enemy empire factions? ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius
Aranis Nax Minmatar Seraphim Blades	Posted - 2009.08.12 20:02:00 - [5] Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object Originally by: Abrazzar Do those arcs feature anti-empire objectives or are they 'standings-safe'? Actual standing loss for fighting faction ships will be infrequent. Most missions have been designed to override the usual NPC-kill penalties. Players should see minimal standing hits after running an arc. Exception: The Amarr arc "Right to Rule" has the player shooting the crap out of Sansha in the first third, but there is an option to turn that around before the end. are the arcs safe to run for pilots who are shoot on sight with enemy factions? Like Republic pilots who are -5 to amarr and ammatar (and not much better with caldari), are they OK to run the minmatar epic?
Regat Kozovv Caldari Alcothology	Posted - 2009.08.12 20:05:00 - [6] Originally by: Trimutius III How u suppose to get that without going to bad side with enemy empire factions? Don't know that it would actually be possible short of simply shooting NPCs in belts only. Being that the Empires are in a state of cold war with one another, managing to tread carefully between is something that sounds like it would be necessarily hard.
Englebert Humperdinck	Posted - 2009.08.12 20:25:00 - [7] Before todays test patch, i tried the caldari mission and got the standings refused message off agent: hopefully this was because it was unfinished or cos im a chump somehow. Just so im sure, it is faction standing for epic missions right? as the corporation the agent is in is fairly obscure, and probably not many mission runners would have standings for them. On my way to test now. Any chance that we could get a sisi standings boost to the relevant corps, so we can test all races missions for you? Good work as usual CCP, ignore the whiners, theyre just most vocal...
Trimutius III Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.12 21:23:00 - [8] Edited by: Trimutius III on 12/08/2009 21:26:01 Edited by: Trimutius III on 12/08/2009 21:25:32 Edited by: Trimutius III on 12/08/2009 21:24:10 Edited by: Trimutius III on 12/08/2009 21:22:59 Originally by: Regat Kozovv Originally by: Trimutius III How u suppose to get that without going to bad side with enemy empire factions? Don't know that it would actually be possible short of simply shooting NPCs in belts only. Being that the Empires are in a state of cold war with one another, managing to tread carefully between is something that sounds like it would be necessarily hard. I can't understand... How will u get +6.8 to Amarrs by shooting NPC in belts??? Can u explain what did u mean... Let me explain what i mean: - U need to do Epic Arc for Amarrs for example - then u need +6.8 standing to Amarr faction, since there are many agents from different corporation lvl 4 quality 16 - If u want to make +6.8 to Amarr u need to do a lot of storyline missions. - If u'll try to get +6.8 without spoiling standing to Minmatars then u'll pretty nice will have less then -2.0 somewhere about +5.0-5.5 (even if take diplomacy) - If u have less then -2.0 to Minmatars u can't do missions for them and sooner or later u will spoil relationship with them to -5.0 (especially Epic Arc will little bit do it) - If u try to keep Minmatar standing at -2.0 most likely u will have Amarr standing not more then 5.0-5.5... I tried all that myself... (except having +6.8 as i said i couldn't keep -2.0 or higher to Minmatars with further growth of Amarr standing) So... Oops... :) I'm not really bother about that, i will not do Epic Arc and that's it... ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius
Krem daBrut Marquie-X Corp Atropos.	Posted - 2009.08.12 21:44:00 - [9] Nice, with the latest patch its now clear how to find the Medal to complete the first minmatar epic mission.
Aranis Nax Minmatar Seraphim Blades	Posted - 2009.08.12 23:06:00 - [10] Where do we post feedback on these lvl 4's? Anyway so far I've done the very first part of the minmatar arc and I'm a bit worried about the way you get the medal. You find the tag in an exploration site that has npc's with about 3M in bounties in a constellation of 0.9-1.0 systems(Sveipar, Pator is one system). Isn't that a bit too easy as a source of ISK, even ignoring the tags? I don't know the spawn rate but if it's respawning fast(within an hour of despawning) I think it would be too easy to make ISK "automatically". Why not remove bounties from the rats, or use rats with no bounties, in that site? The only goal of the plex is to seed the tags, not act as an ISK faucet, right? More feedback might follow once I get further along. But I think this is pretty important.
Sade Onyx	Posted - 2009.08.13 00:43:00 - [11] You make no mention about the security of the systems that these missions take you to. Will they go to low sec?
something somethingdark	Posted - 2009.08.13 02:22:00 - [12] id love to give it a whirl unfortunately i try not to get shot by npc navys so my faction standings arnt too high and my corp standings with strange unused corps is well unexistant for the sake of testing can the minimum standings be lowered/removed ?
Jana Tanaka Caldari Tanaka Industries Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.13 02:41:00 - [13] It seems at least the Gallente arc takes us into lowsec. I did not mind lowsec activities before Apocrypha, exploring in hostile space was fun. Yet with the current scanning system, specifically the loss of the deadspace bonus to signal strength, missioning of any kind in lowsec that requires more than a frigate or maybe cruiser sized hull is simply suicidal. If the Arcs lead into lowsec, beyond courier missions or combat ones that could be acomplished in an Assault Frigate, HAC or Recon, nearly on one will run them. Also the systems the missions take place in should be randomly selected from a pool. If the arcs take place in a limited number of fixed systems, those will be 24/7 camped by hordes of pirates, looking for juicy pod ransoms or tears. As a result nearly no one would run them. Unfortunately I cannot test this out first hand myself at the moment, due to time constraints.
ToTheCore Angels.	Posted - 2009.08.13 06:09:00 - [14] Originally by: Jana Tanaka It seems at least the Gallente arc takes us into lowsec. I did not mind lowsec activities before Apocrypha, exploring in hostile space was fun. Yet with the current scanning system, specifically the loss of the deadspace bonus to signal strength, missioning of any kind in lowsec that requires more than a frigate or maybe cruiser sized hull is simply suicidal. If the Arcs lead into lowsec, beyond courier missions or combat ones that could be acomplished in an Assault Frigate, HAC or Recon, nearly on one will run them. Also the systems the missions take place in should be randomly selected from a pool. If the arcs take place in a limited number of fixed systems, those will be 24/7 camped by hordes of pirates, looking for juicy pod ransoms or tears. As a result nearly no one would run them. Unfortunately I cannot test this out first hand myself at the moment, due to time constraints. They call it a Massively MULTIPLAYER game for a reason, you know. Bring friends with you if you're afraid to get ganked by people hunting mission runners. Or, use the new implants plus ECCM to make yourself unable to be probed. As for the systems, I think that most of them will be camped by people looking for easy kills anyway. Again, the suggested course of action would be to bring friends with you if you don't want to risk getting killed. --- BattleClinic sigs aren't allowed now, Zymurgist?
Trimutius III Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.13 07:01:00 - [15] Edited by: Trimutius III on 13/08/2009 07:01:28 Originally by: Jana Tanaka It seems at least the Gallente arc takes us into lowsec. There is different ways in Epic Arcs... Some of them may lead even to 0.0 secs as i already heard, as CCP Tamer said there is at least one way, but nobody said that all of them are not leading out of empire space... Quote: Yet with the current scanning system, specifically the loss of the deadspace bonus to signal strength, missioning of any kind in lowsec that requires more than a frigate or maybe cruiser sized hull is simply suicidal. LOL What? Have u tried to scan down BS on a mission? I have done that once... It takes something like minutes... So what do you do, u take ur direct scanner 360 degree and scan with filter disabled, and look scan results for probes (Combat and Deep Space Probes) As soon as u see at least one in 4-8 AU (maximum direct scanner radius is about 14 AU) U just warp to safe spot and turn on ur cloaking device, until hostiles are gone... Quote: If the Arcs lead into lowsec, beyond courier missions or combat ones that could be acomplished in an Assault Frigate, HAC or Recon, nearly on one will run them. Once i saw a neutral running missions in Navy Raven in 0.0 sec, it was after Apocrypha, and believe me, scanning for probes now really works, it takes at least 1-2 minutes after u'll see probes on scanner and before they will scan u down, and this is pretty enough to warp out if u are in BS. ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius
Rivqua Caldari Omega Wing R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2009.08.13 07:28:00 - [16] Originally by: Trimutius III Edited by: Trimutius III on 13/08/2009 07:01:28 Originally by: Jana Tanaka It seems at least the Gallente arc takes us into lowsec. There is different ways in Epic Arcs... Some of them may lead even to 0.0 secs as i already heard, as CCP Tamer said there is at least one way, but nobody said that all of them are not leading out of empire space... Quote: Yet with the current scanning system, specifically the loss of the deadspace bonus to signal strength, missioning of any kind in lowsec that requires more than a frigate or maybe cruiser sized hull is simply suicidal. LOL What? Have u tried to scan down BS on a mission? I have done that once... It takes something like minutes... So what do you do, u take ur direct scanner 360 degree and scan with filter disabled, and look scan results for probes (Combat and Deep Space Probes) As soon as u see at least one in 4-8 AU (maximum direct scanner radius is about 14 AU) U just warp to safe spot and turn on ur cloaking device, until hostiles are gone... Quote: If the Arcs lead into lowsec, beyond courier missions or combat ones that could be acomplished in an Assault Frigate, HAC or Recon, nearly on one will run them. Once i saw a neutral running missions in Navy Raven in 0.0 sec, it was after Apocrypha, and believe me, scanning for probes now really works, it takes at least 1-2 minutes after u'll see probes on scanner and before they will scan u down, and this is pretty enough to warp out if u are in BS. After seeing a neutral on directional, I'll have him probed out usually in 30 ses. He may or may not spot my probes that are in his range for 10 secs :) _________________ - Rivqua - --- R.E.P.O. ---
Trimutius III Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.13 07:40:00 - [17] Edited by: Trimutius III on 13/08/2009 07:41:17 Originally by: Rivqua After seeing a neutral on directional, I'll have him probed out usually in 30 ses. He may or may not spot my probes that are in his range for 10 secs :) Ohh u're right... i have some trouble finding one BS because it was out of derictional scan range from any object (sometimes missions are faraway) But it may be found fast in some situations. But i have experience of warping out in my Dominix when somebody tries to scan me down on my mission, and i succeded that several times... Just as soon as there are hostiles in local i spam my direct scanner and if i see probes i begin aligning scoop drones and warp out to POS... ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.13 08:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Trimutius III - If u'll try to get +6.8 without spoiling standing to Minmatars then u'll pretty nice will have less then -2.0 somewhere about +5.0-5.5 (even if take diplomacy) My alt currently standing are (modified by skills): - Amarr 5.87 - Caldari 4.48 - Gallente 4.48 - Minmatar 3.26 It become harder as standing grow but you can stay in the positive with all factions and get to 6.8 with one if you don't run missions that require killing other empire factions members.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.13 08:26:00 - [19] Originally by: ToTheCore Originally by: Jana Tanaka It seems at least the Gallente arc takes us into lowsec. I did not mind lowsec activities before Apocrypha, exploring in hostile space was fun. Yet with the current scanning system, specifically the loss of the deadspace bonus to signal strength, missioning of any kind in lowsec that requires more than a frigate or maybe cruiser sized hull is simply suicidal. If the Arcs lead into lowsec, beyond courier missions or combat ones that could be acomplished in an Assault Frigate, HAC or Recon, nearly on one will run them. Also the systems the missions take place in should be randomly selected from a pool. If the arcs take place in a limited number of fixed systems, those will be 24/7 camped by hordes of pirates, looking for juicy pod ransoms or tears. As a result nearly no one would run them. Unfortunately I cannot test this out first hand myself at the moment, due to time constraints. They call it a Massively MULTIPLAYER game for a reason, you know. Bring friends with you if you're afraid to get ganked by people hunting mission runners. Or, use the new implants plus ECCM to make yourself unable to be probed. As for the systems, I think that most of them will be camped by people looking for easy kills anyway. Again, the suggested course of action would be to bring friends with you if you don't want to risk getting killed. They call it Turkey shooting for a reason you know. Bring friends don't work if the enemies know perfectly where you are going.
Trimutius III Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.13 09:07:00 - [20] Edited by: Trimutius III on 13/08/2009 09:09:27 Edited by: Trimutius III on 13/08/2009 09:07:30 Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Trimutius III - If u'll try to get +6.8 without spoiling standing to Minmatars then u'll pretty nice will have less then -2.0 somewhere about +5.0-5.5 (even if take diplomacy) My alt currently standing are (modified by skills): - Amarr 5.87 - Caldari 4.48 - Gallente 4.48 - Minmatar 3.26 It become harder as standing grow but you can stay in the positive with all factions and get to 6.8 with one if you don't run missions that require killing other empire factions members. Hmm maybe i'm too lazy... Or maybe 3 storyline missions for Angels spoiled picture a little... ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.13 11:07:00 - [21] Edited by: Durzel on 13/08/2009 11:07:41 Originally by: Venkul Mul They call it Turkey shooting for a reason you know. Bring friends don't work if the enemies know perfectly where you are going. And exactly where you're going to be coming from. When will CCP learn that most people aren't going to take their mission ships into lowsec on a good day, let alone to a static system that is guaranteed to be camped. Ah well Level 5 missions redux.
MuffinsRevenger EmpiresMod	Posted - 2009.08.13 11:55:00 - [22] Smells like whoever is going to bring the most remote-boosted hic's are score quite a few easy mission runner kills :D Should seriously reconsider that Mr ark-developers, because it's going to make those particular paths enitrely useless and mostly unused
Saint VII Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.08.13 12:09:00 - [23] One thing that bothers me a bit about the first epic arc (the sisters of eve one that is newbie friendly) is that anyone who joins factional warfare early on, something you have mentioned that you would encourage new players to do, is blocked from doing the arc, unless they quit FW before their standings get too bad. It sounds like you guys had this issue in mind when designing the new ones. No great scoundrel is ever uninteresting.
Slave 2739FKZ	Posted - 2009.08.13 12:44:00 - [24] Terrible about 0.0/lowsec thing. CCP if you want that to workout you need: - random mission system (and I mean really random, not like 2/3 systems). - sleeper AI in missions so NPCs can target and fire the aggressor. - change scanning so it's not so easy. this or a combination of these, no one is going to form a blob to break a camp so you can run your stupid mission. an other option is missions to have several deadspace gates so you have time to prepare or warp out, but IMo teh sleeper AI would be the cool thing, just if the mission is worth it.

CCP Big Dumb Object	Posted - 2009.08.13 13:24:00 - [25] Lowsec missions are something we debated about internally. We understand lowsec is a risky prospect, particularly when your character isn't kitted out specifically for that playstyle. However, it is a major element of EVE. We wanted to have that option available to players. So yes, lowsec missions are in. But we've made two design decisions that we hope will mititgate the problem elements. 1) The vast majority of lowsec missions are tied to particular branches. These branches focus on the more legally dubious options available to the player, making lowsec a natural choice. However, the player will most often be presented with an explicit choice between this and a safer--if lower paying--hisec branch. 2) Lowsec complex sites for these arcs are designed to be completable in interceptors or assault frigs. Get in, make some pretty explosions, get out. These are still level 4 in difficulty, so although you won't be fighting fleets of battleships, you will have a difficult fight for your ship class ahead of you.

Slave 2739FKZ	Posted - 2009.08.13 13:46:00 - [26] Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object 2) Lowsec complex sites for these arcs are designed to be completable in interceptors or assault frigs. Get in, make some pretty explosions, get out. These are still level 4 in difficulty, so although you won't be fighting fleets of battleships, you will have a difficult fight for your ship class ahead of you. This soudns cool, thanks for the answer.
Jana Tanaka Caldari Tanaka Industries Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.13 13:58:00 - [27] Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object Lowsec missions are something we debated about internally... 1) The vast majority of lowsec missions are tied to particular branches... 2) Lowsec complex sites for these arcs are designed to be completable in interceptors or assault frigs... Perfect, thank you for the heads ups.
Tamahra Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch	Posted - 2009.08.13 15:35:00 - [28] the question that strikes me the most are each one of the epic arcs repeatable?
Mikal Drey Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.13 15:45:00 - [29] hey hey thanks for the sticky and i'll quickly ninja some observations about the Gallente Arc The Low sec option was good and at least had some thoughts to it. the second time i had a choice (low road > 3 option branch) the low sec option was flawed as i found that to get to the plantation i didnt actually need to go into low sec i simply found a decent route, the pipe route was well thought out and shouldnt initially cause troubles. i will agree though that the mmissions are waaaay to specific and the low sec entry and exit points being static will put people off. the gallente arc asked me or at least caused me to kill minmatar. this dont make any sense and while i didnt get any faction hits thankfully i just dont ever want to kill or shoot minmatars or gallentes. the cross region thing should be mentioned in the mission notes as again standings have a major impact on playstyle and unfortunatly will cut off another portion of the mission. with no warning whatsoever its instafailreject :/ if there is a specific arc that leads purely in same faction space can that be included in the notes ? the low road option was fun in a stealth bomber (1st part) but the second one aint gonna be done in a af unless you got high skills :) the problem i found was that again the gate was shiptype restricted but not warned about. going into low sec and getting the ship type wrong will ** plenty of poeple off. with the various shutoff points for players some details on these Q's ould be helpfull :) [sugarontop]please[/sugarontop] can i end the arc and restart at any time ? not just remove from the journal. especially if i was cut off and was sent to scumarr space and i had to fail. my whole arc is then over :/ if i complete the arc what are my options for retries and going a different route ? sorta an additional from the first question. if i complete my arc and found i had a taste for more and wanted that other branches shiny do i have to wait to reaccess the agent. even a short turnaround time sucks as doing the arc multiple times could take more than a few months Do i have to finish it or now i rescued the kid im happy that this story has ended. i would happily end here tbh how do i stop the arc ?no bounties and no lastly i noticed that the branching looks to be alot better and indepth do you guys is that shiny toy at the end of each arc only at the end of each arc ? with no bounties and no LP ! the incentive to get to the end of the arc is lessened. maybe at the end of each chapter theres a smaller reward. i killed the head of the pator 6 and he dropped crap (1x 1400 1x armor named hardener) last bug/problem the agent popups and the information windows jump right out at you. pretty cool interaction but 1. the window takes time to read and im getting agressed whilst doing so :/ i cant minimise the window ad read in a bit so i miss the story. the info popups are also good to read but i cant expand the window and the text is to big so i have to scroll and again i cant minimise it and read it when im not getting ass**ed by npc's. i wanna read the story and get drawn in but its difficult when the windows arent User friendly. a possible workaround for the standings boost for epic arc's culd be that at certain chapter/story points your given a inportant mission that directly affects your standings just like a normal storyline does. it adds an incentive for carrying on and could give a better reward for going further down the rabbit hole or choosing the harder branch :) so far ive enjoyed it and only been fustrated a couple of times :) good job guys Shattered Crystal - 60 day GTC
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.13 15:58:00 - [30] Edited by: Durzel on 13/08/2009 16:02:00 Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object 2) Lowsec complex sites for these arcs are designed to be completable in interceptors or assault frigs. Get in, make some pretty explosions, get out. These are still level 4 in difficulty, so although you won't be fighting fleets of battleships, you will have a difficult fight for your ship class ahead of you. The problem with that, if I may be so bold, is that mission runners never use interceptors or assault frigs, why would they? Hardcore mission runners grind up to battleships and that's what they live in forevermore. I'd be surprised if the majority of people to whom the arcs would be interesting probably don't even have the skills trained for interceptors/assault frigs. I'm not saying it's not logical to do the missions in smaller ships where possible, but mission runners aren't by a large an amazingly bright bunch - and it's not like the game really penalises them for using anything other than a battleship for all L4s anyway. Furthermore if you don't know what to expect in a mission because you've never done it before, would you take something that could easily pop in most L4 missions? Would someone whos never run Worlds Collide before take a ship they are familiar with and knowledgeable of its tanking capabilities, or a ship they never usually fly and know wont stand up to too much punishment? I appreciate the logic of bad choices taking you to bad locations but the reality of it is that assuming these locations are fixed, or even taken from a relatlvely small pool, those systems will be gate-camped 23/7. Even if that weren't the case I'd wager most hardcore mission runners simply wouldn't enter a lowsec system under any circumstances.

CCP Big Dumb Object	Posted - 2009.08.13 16:32:00 - [31] Bug Update: The Caldari mission "The Paths that are Hidden" may be displaying only one option for the next mission. This is not the intended behavior, and the hordes have been unleashed upon it.

Komi Toran	Posted - 2009.08.13 16:33:00 - [32] Originally by: Durzel Furthermore if you don't know what to expect in a mission because you've never done it before, would you take something that could easily pop in most L4 missions? Would someone whos never run Worlds Collide before take a ship they are familiar with and knowledgeable of its tanking capabilities, or a ship they never usually fly and know wont stand up to too much punishment? Well, the solution is simple: We need regular L4 missions that are designed to be run by T2 frigs and cruisers. It might be the solution to lowsec and 0.0 mission running.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.13 17:51:00 - [33] To add to the chorus: to work low sec missions require a really random system where they are done. At least at region level, better the whole low sec of a faction. And Caldari low sec entry points will still see a serious increase in gatecamps: small number of low sec system + high number of high standing players doing Caldari missions = lots of targets in T2 ships. 0.0 is simply a bad choice. That branch would be monopolized by the people controlling the 0.0 systems used by the missions and if the reward is high enough they will farm the mission like a static complex.
Mikal Drey Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.13 18:05:00 - [34] Originally by: Venkul Mul To add to the chorus: and to chuck more fuel on the fire . . why do CCP always see the risk/reward balance as highsec/low sec/0.0 ? missions could be balanced in terms of difficulty. dropping caps into plexes or asigning fighters is just as risk free as a CNR in a L3. you could balance missions by upping the difficuly level and or restricting the ship sizes. with a more difficult mission it also serves to encourage fleeting (non multibox) one of the problems with higjh sec is that player to player interaction is almost non existant and you can put the biggest bad boy on the line against fail NPC's i certainly consider difficulty as a risk factor. i noticed in the arc that there wasnt any scramblers and i know 100% at certain points id have sploded for sure. what if there were special ebil npc friggies that podded ? i mission in high sec purely to relax and avoid player interaction (pvp especially) and the low sec part i done had bugger all risk tbh apart from gank points getting in an af isnt that difficult even a well tanked command ship would tank enough to slow boat to the gate or cloaky align and get out. mission risk reward should just be about pvp and low sec Shattered Crystal - 60 day GTC
Trimutius III Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.13 18:08:00 - [35] Originally by: Venkul Mul 0.0 is simply a bad choice. That branch would be monopolized by the people controlling the 0.0 systems used by the missions and if the reward is high enough they will farm the mission like a static complex. Every 3 month per character... Plus it isn't that hard to do complexes and missions in hostile space, saw that many times, even done it... ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius
MuffinsRevenger EmpiresMod	Posted - 2009.08.13 18:08:00 - [36] Originally by: Komi Toran Originally by: Durzel Furthermore if you don't know what to expect in a mission because you've never done it before, would you take something that could easily pop in most L4 missions? Would someone whos never run Worlds Collide before take a ship they are familiar with and knowledgeable of its tanking capabilities, or a ship they never usually fly and know wont stand up to too much punishment? Well, the solution is simple: We need regular L4 missions that are designed to be run by T2 frigs and cruisers. It might be the solution to lowsec and 0.0 mission running. Nah, the missions are stationary once spawned, so the reason low sec mission running is not viable is that it is far to easy to block of any further access to a particular mission once someone have found you On top of that, as previously stated, it is way way easy to find someone in a mission in the first place, unless your terrible at scanning, meaning that you have to be able to complete the mission within minutes before you are located which is not really possible unless the missions designed that way in the first place Also, add to this how easy it is to tackle anything cruiser-sized and above, in particular if you know where they will be coming from
Jana Tanaka Caldari Tanaka Industries Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.13 20:45:00 - [37] Edited by: Jana Tanaka on 13/08/2009 20:48:44 Just look at lowsec cosmos, if you want to see an example for the effect of missions spawning in fixed lowsec systems. Last time (ages ago) I checked, systems like Ihakana were camped 28/8 by blobs :) "Bring Buddies." cannot be the point, if this sentence actually means: Bring a small fleet and have capital support standing by, just in case things escalate. "Professional" Mission Runners, generally should have excellent weapon, tanking and support skills. Training for an AF should take less than 10 days and given the average income per hour, loosing one should not be a major issue. The only real risk is the pod. Yet since most runners with access to 4/16 missions, likely have the standings for jumpclones, this should be a non-issue. Making deadspace sites hard to scan again, would not only be a fix for the issue at hand, but also be good for lowsec. It would help if the mission description, suggested the appropriate hull size.
Malfesa Longoten	Posted - 2009.08.13 21:14:00 - [38] One problem with the Caldari arc (I think?). If you destroy the Hyasoda Research Facility in "Their loss, our profit" you can actually complete the mission without recovering the Forumla Sheet. Without the Sheet you cannot complete any of the next parts of the branch. Only option at that point is to fail the arc and start over, as there is no way to get the Formula Sheet again. Unless I'm missing something obvious?
Sturmwolke Genyosha Legion	Posted - 2009.08.14 10:57:00 - [39] The use of italics to denote a completed epic arc is not very apparent visually. The only thing tells me and confirms that it has been completed is the mouse-over. I would suggest either a small icon over the completed epic arc mission, or at least make it so that you can tell which is which more distinctive visually rather than those italics.
IceAero Amarr Shadow Company THE KLINGONS	Posted - 2009.08.14 14:14:00 - [40] I'd love to try these, but why are they not with the main faction corps? I run all my missions for the Amarr navy, almost +10 standing with them, but I'm no where near able to run missions for the ministry of internal order...
Kethry Avenger PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.14 15:41:00 - [41] As an Amarr loyalist and pilot involved in Factional Warefare are there paths in the Amarr Epic ark that would put me into Gallente or Minmatar Highsec? I don't want to start an Arc I can't finish and lose standings with my Empire.

CCP Big Dumb Object	Posted - 2009.08.14 16:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Kethry Avenger As an Amarr loyalist and pilot involved in Factional Warefare are there paths in the Amarr Epic ark that would put me into Gallente or Minmatar Highsec? I don't want to start an Arc I can't finish and lose standings with my Empire. Right to Rule occurs exclusively in Kor-Azor space.

Ankhesentapemkah Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.08.14 18:41:00 - [43] Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 14/08/2009 18:43:41 Originally by: Venkul Mul - Amarr 5.87 - Caldari 4.48 - Gallente 4.48 - Minmatar 3.26 It become harder as standing grow but you can stay in the positive with all factions and get to 6.8 with one if you don't run missions that require killing other empire factions members. Mine still needs some work but I'm pretty happy so far. I can probably run the Amarr and Gallente arc without ruining the rest of the standings too much. Or I could start with the Caldari and Minmatar and then use the Gallente and Amarr to recover... Choices... I hope the unique items include a medal we can wear! ---
Trimutius III Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.14 19:25:00 - [44] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Mine still needs some work but I'm pretty happy so far. I can probably run the Amarr and Gallente arc without ruining the rest of the standings too much. Or I could start with the Caldari and Minmatar and then use the Gallente and Amarr to recover... Choices... I hope the unique items include a medal we can wear! If this is your standings u can't run Minmatar arc... ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius
Mikal Drey Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.14 20:15:00 - [45] Objective The Syndicate made an offer that you canÆt refuse. YouÆre going to give the kid back, for lots of cash. Congratulations, you inhuman monster. Objective completed. what isk ? the agent said they would give me the money when i got there and dropped the litte feck off if the mission said "lots of cash" then tbh i want iskies is this intentional to lie to the pilot or bugged ? i'm not sure that my choice was story based as the reward option IS going to have a big impact on what final shiny toy i want and im 100% sure that most people are going to go for the best option in isk value. maybe the reward should be removed from the briefing and simply say "you will be rewarded" that way the story drives your choice and not the reward. although both shiny items dont initially have much in the way of an isk value they are kinda precicely what i want from a misison exclusive item :) nice and different but not an overbalanced high value isk item to sell on. arc length was just about right and i really wanna go back and do the high road or maybe the brothel option. A+++ would sign up to your newsletter. this is just what i wanted from a mission and it was about right for difficulty. same old trigers and still just a typical mission. this was a good mix of the storytelling from COSMOS and having a mission that isnt just the pointless grind. now we need more arcs :) nb there was a comment posted in the blog about new arcs and where i foolishly believed that you were gonna finally add epic missions . . . . someone did say that it would most likely be just 4 missions 1 for each empire. :'''( MOAARRRRRR EPICS
Trimutius III Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.14 21:00:00 - [46] Originally by: Mikal Drey Objective The Syndicate made an offer that you canÆt refuse. YouÆre going to give the kid back, for lots of cash. Congratulations, you inhuman monster. Objective completed. what isk ? the agent said they would give me the money when i got there and dropped the litte feck off if the mission said "lots of cash" then tbh i want iskies is this intentional to lie to the pilot or bugged ? Did u know that 200k isk is big bunch of iskies and u can even buy a cottage on some planet for that money... But capsuleers are so rich that for them even millions are small reward, though it's really a lot of isks... Or did u mean that reward is 0? ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius
Malfesa Longoten	Posted - 2009.08.15 03:53:00 - [47] Still working on the Caldari epic arc and I get to this: The Breakout Mission briefing ItÆs time for you to put that ID tag to use and see firsthand what it is weÆre fighting against down here. WeÆve been receiving reports of a new prison facility being erected somewhere in the Aokinen constellation. ItÆs a decent distance away and in low-security space no less, so IÆd undock in something small and fast. Your mission is to discover the prisonÆs location, bypass the security forces and slip inside. Once youÆve made your way through there will be people of ours to free. Your only concern is saving them. If you can expedite their recovery by avoiding conflicts in the outer perimeter then you should do so. Our priority is our people, above all else. If youÆve never done any exploratory scanning before, then now would be a good time to learn. The Federation is skilled at hiding their secrets, but I have a feeling that a facility this size will be found easily enough. ***** Ok, so there's something wrong here. In the Aokinen constellation, there aren't actually any low sec systems. So either it's a low sec system NOT in the Aokinen constellation, or it's a HIGH SEC in said constellation. Considering I would have no idea which one of many many low sec systems to even begin with outside of that constellation, I probed out all 9 systems in Aokinen. No prison. Nothing even remotely related to the mission. Some Guristas plexes, some roids, and not much else. Am I missing something obvious, or is the mission borked?
Aranis Nax Minmatar Seraphim Blades	Posted - 2009.08.15 13:54:00 - [48] Minmatar Arc - Surfacing briefing states that I only have to recover Encrypted Transmission item from Tili's Red Light Palace. I have recovered it but the mission did not complete. I'm assuming I actually have to kill all the NPC's. OMW to do that now(it's quite a trek from agent to mission site, 11 jumps). I'll update once I'm done pewpew'ing.
Mikal Drey Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.15 14:35:00 - [49] Originally by: Trimutius III Did u know that 200k isk is big bunch of iskies ... Or did u mean that reward is 0? the agent reward was the specal item the agent BONUS reward for completing the mission within 28 minutes was 200k isk but infact the journal only showed 170k isk as the bonus reward the mission brief stated that i would get the large sum of money from the syndicate when i dropped of the child. i dropped of the child and apart from the syndicate spawning i didnt recieve anything whatsoever so yes i mean i got bugger all. IF the mission bonus reward is the "syndicates money" then it should state that clearly and the mission text be better written. atm the bonus reward is just a standard bonus reward like a normal mission would give. i logged out and rerchecked the wallet listings but still nothing shows. i was very much expecting to get somehing from the syndicate as per the mission briefing.
Trimutius III Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.15 19:45:00 - [50] Originally by: Mikal Drey the mission brief stated that i would get the large sum of money from the syndicate when i dropped of the child. i dropped of the child and apart from the syndicate spawning i didnt recieve anything whatsoever so yes i mean i got bugger all. I don't see anything wrong in that. They fooled you... welcome to real world, if they say that they'll give a lot of money it doesn't mean that they actually will keep their word so they simply fooled you, and i don't see anything wrong in that... ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius
Gharlane Caldari Free Corp Liberty Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.15 23:49:00 - [51] Caldari Arc : Proof of intent. The description on the "Dosier - Author unknown" reads ôMy House of Records contacts tell me he started work here in the Internal Security division of NOH. He now works in another department, unofficially titled as ôAdvisoryö. ItÆs anyoneÆs guess when he moved across or what his work entails. In situations like these nobody asks questions.ö When I info Mr Isha, he's now working for NOH Legal. Deliberate or part of the Storyline?
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.08.16 11:08:00 - [52] I hope the low sec missions are located in FW zones as that greatly diminish the possibility of ending up in a pirate gate camp. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Merfio Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.08.16 11:52:00 - [53] Originally by: Jowen Datloran I hope the low sec missions are located in FW zones as that greatly diminish the possibility of ending up in a pirate gate camp. Getting catched at a low sec gate when sitting in an interceptor is like being too dumb to read or being extremly unlucky.
Trimutius III Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.16 14:58:00 - [54] Originally by: Jowen Datloran I hope the low sec missions are located in FW zones as that greatly diminish the possibility of ending up in a pirate gate camp. Low sec Epic Arc Missions are designed mainly for t2 frigates, so don't worry, it's really hard to catch frigate in lowsec (Of course u'll need Evasive Maneuvering and Spaceship Command, but I hope u already trained that skills) ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius
Sturmwolke Genyosha Legion	Posted - 2009.08.16 16:56:00 - [55] You know, these L4 epic arcs missions are prime candidates for a bottomless farm. Since the missions do not expire, you get fresh spawns everyday as long as you don't complete the objective. Yes, it may be boring and you get them once per day but if you scale them with missions from multiple alts or with corp members, it can get significant. You lose LPs of course, but I wonder if salvage + tags may offset the loss somewhat. Take for example a mission that I'd gone through, Right to Rule - Cowardly Commander. About 25mil in bounties, quite a bit of salvage from 36 BS, 10 BCs and 7 cruisers and some Amarr Navy tags. Let's say a ballpark figure 35-40mil total for about 1-1.5 hrs solo work. Not bad imo. Posted for the record, btw.
Mikal Drey Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.17 07:58:00 - [56] Originally by: Sturmwolke Take for example a mission that I'd gone through, Right to Rule - Cowardly Commander. About 25mil in bounties, quite a bit of salvage from 36 BS, 10 BCs and 7 cruisers and some Amarr Navy tags. Let's say a ballpark figure 35-40mil total for about 1-1.5 hrs solo work. Not bad imo. Posted for the record, btw. the gallente one had nothing anywhere near that level of payout. most o the npc's had no bounties and although the loot was average meta 3 the isk level from the gallente arc i did is awfull. i guess that the arc werent balanced in terms of isk. . . . .just like COSMOS . . .
Trimutius III Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.17 13:18:00 - [57] Originally by: Mikal Drey the gallente one had nothing anywhere near that level of payout. most o the npc's had no bounties and although the loot was average meta 3 the isk level from the gallente arc i did is awfull. i guess that the arc werent balanced in terms of isk. . . . .just like COSMOS . . . I suppose u have just chosen cheap Branch, remember there is several branches in there with different missions, maybe gallente have valuable missions in other branches how do u know? ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius
Malfesa Longoten	Posted - 2009.08.17 16:05:00 - [58] So, nothing? Nobody has gotten to "The Breakout" on the Caldari arc? Any devs? I guess I'll just have to wait until these come out on Tranq and go thru the same process again there.
Cheekything Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2009.08.17 17:20:00 - [59] What about us pirate mission runners why dont we get some mission low too :(
Sturmwolke Genyosha Legion	Posted - 2009.08.18 04:36:00 - [60] A couple of things, since I cba to bug report because this thread already buckets some of the problems highlighted. I've done the Amarr arc right up to the first arc branch after Mission 11 (Hunting the Hunter) and I'm contemplating my choices. 1) The mission dialog with Aralin Jick for "Fate of a Madman" gives me multiple "Fate of a Madman" links in addition to the 2 choices. This happens just right after I submitted Mission 11. Relogged, talked again to Aralin I get a blank black dialog. Left station, quit and re-docked, opened journal to read "Fate of a Madman" details and THEN talked to Aralin - this time I get the normal expected mission dialog. In short, you've got a dialog display reliability bug here. I've also noticed the blank black mission dialog on several occasions, even with the normal agents. 2) The choice "Silence Rahsa: The Nation's Path" takes me to a True Power agent under the Sansha's Nation banner. My Sansha standing is -7.5 modified. Here comes the problem. By rights, this path is closed to me .... but yet it is offered. To make it all galling, it is offered without even a pip-squeak of a warning note to those who don't qualify. Should I or should I not click on this choice? What will happen if I did? If the path is truly closed, then why do you need to even have it offered? Just have it greyed out eliminate all that confusion! P.S There's a minor text mistake in "Background Check Encounter". The text says the manor is in Nebian, but mission directs you to somewhere else (I forgot its name).
Trimutius III Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.18 09:38:00 - [61] Originally by: Cheekything What about us pirate mission runners why dont we get some mission low too :( I suppose it takes some time to make new missions especially Epic Arcs, maybe we will see those later... ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius

CCP Big Dumb Object	Posted - 2009.08.18 14:53:00 - [62] Originally by: Sturmwolke 1) In short, you've got a dialog display reliability bug here. I've also noticed the blank black mission dialog on several occasions, even with the normal agents. 2) The choice "Silence Rahsa: The Nation's Path" takes me to a True Power agent under the Sansha's Nation banner. My Sansha standing is -7.5 modified. Here comes the problem. By rights, this path is closed to me .... but yet it is offered. To make it all galling, it is offered without even a pip-squeak of a warning note to those who don't qualify. Should I or should I not click on this choice? What will happen if I did? If the path is truly closed, then why do you need to even have it offered? Just have it greyed out eliminate all that confusion! P.S There's a minor text mistake in "Background Check Encounter". The text says the manor is in Nebian, but mission directs you to somewhere else (I forgot its name). The text display issue is known, and one we're hoping to solve. To the Sansha question, once you are on an epic arc, agents will no longer make standings checks. So even if your Sansha standing is absolute crap, for this arc you can still successfully take the Sansha path. The only instance this wouldn't hold true is if the branch also took you into faction X's space and you were at KOS status. Luckily Krethar Mann is hiding out in Kor-Azor space and won't be so cruel to you.


CCP Big Dumb Object	Posted - 2009.08.18 15:02:00 - [63] Originally by: Cheekything What about us pirate mission runners why dont we get some mission low too :( Feedback from Apocrypha 1.0 convinced us that our first priority for release was high level empire arcs. The Apoc 1.5 arcs are the result of that. However, we are even know working through our final drafts of designs for the next arcs, and more than a few of them are of the "legally dubious" variety.

Cheekything Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:09:00 - [64] Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object Originally by: Cheekything What about us pirate mission runners why dont we get some mission low too :( Feedback from Apocrypha 1.0 convinced us that our first priority for release was high level empire arcs. The Apoc 1.5 arcs are the result of that. However, we are even know working through our final drafts of designs for the next arcs, and more than a few of them are of the "legally dubious" variety. Yay do love you CCP I BE PLUNDERING DEM LOOTS YARRR
Sturmwolke Genyosha Legion	Posted - 2009.08.18 18:36:00 - [65] Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object To the Sansha question, once you are on an epic arc, agents will no longer make standings checks. So even if your Sansha standing is absolute crap, for this arc you can still successfully take the Sansha path. The only instance this wouldn't hold true is if the branch also took you into faction X's space and you were at KOS status. Luckily Krethar Mann is hiding out in Kor-Azor space and won't be so cruel to you. You have standings check for the starter agents (which follows the standard mechanics that many players are familiar with). Now in the middle of this epic arc, you are telling players to suspend their beliefs and make the leap forward into empty air, metaphorically speaking. At the very least, have the courtesy of putting up a clear signpost saying that there IS bridge, it's just invisible. The majority of players are not omnipotent beings who dredges up obscure dev links to prove a deviation from the mechanics. Assuming it occurs in one of the epic arc, that exception of going into faction X space whilst you're on KOS list also deserves a similar note, imo. Put it up for posterity. Now, if anyone misses that, then they should be given a Darwin award.
Malfesa Longoten	Posted - 2009.08.18 19:31:00 - [66] Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object The text display issue is known, and one we're hoping to solve. To the Sansha question, once you are on an epic arc, agents will no longer make standings checks. So even if your Sansha standing is absolute crap, for this arc you can still successfully take the Sansha path. The only instance this wouldn't hold true is if the branch also took you into faction X's space and you were at KOS status. Luckily Krethar Mann is hiding out in Kor-Azor space and won't be so cruel to you. Any chance I can get some feedback on the problem I mentioned here, or should I just wait until these appear on Tranq and try it again there?
Sturmwolke Genyosha Legion	Posted - 2009.08.18 22:35:00 - [67] 1) "Making an Arrest" - Amarr arc. Err .. what just happened? Warped in, I see Harkan's Manor sitting 37km. Waited a few mins, no ships in sight, no responses. Mission objectives were a bit vague, so ok maybe god wants me to blow his manor into little pieces so that it'll either drop a container of some sort or force Harkan into running off in a cloaked ship ala Rahsa? Boom! there goes his manors and everything. Wait a few mins, no ships in sight, no feedback whether Harkan had ran off or not ... nothing zilch, nanimo nai! Ooooook, maybe the mission designers included a proximity trigger. Got closer. Bingo! Mission objective completed! From a 1 to 10 rating, I give this a -10. 2) tba
Titan Pilot Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:44:00 - [68] Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object Lowsec missions are something we debated about internally. We understand lowsec is a risky prospect, particularly when your character isn't kitted out specifically for that playstyle. However, it is a major element of EVE. We wanted to have that option available to players. So yes, lowsec missions are in. But we've made two design decisions that we hope will mititgate the problem elements. 1) The vast majority of lowsec missions are tied to particular branches. These branches focus on the more legally dubious options available to the player, making lowsec a natural choice. However, the player will most often be presented with an explicit choice between this and a safer--if lower paying--hisec branch. 2) Lowsec complex sites for these arcs are designed to be completable in interceptors or assault frigs. Get in, make some pretty explosions, get out. These are still level 4 in difficulty, so although you won't be fighting fleets of battleships, you will have a difficult fight for your ship class ahead of you. /rant on Are you kidding me? You do realize that PVP and PVE setups are mutually exclusive? Maybe you should play the game instead of sit in a board room eating those lovely muffins and drinking that fine coffee... actually that sounds good... can I join you? please /rant off Actually, I understand what your trying to accomplish, but mission runners are not going to bite. Most runners are solo and they are not going to go looking for others just to complete an arc, especially not when its in low sec. For all they know they are ganging up with the alt of a pirate.... So yes they will stay safe, anyone in their right mind fitted for PVE will.
something somethingdark	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:49:00 - [69] sooo like... the problems highlighted by people make me wish more could actualy test run the mission arcs.... remember the first one ? massive testing lead to massive bug discoveries and massive changes
Yager Starhunter	Posted - 2009.08.19 03:40:00 - [70] One item that has not been actually answered yet is what standings will be needed to start the chain itself? is it going to be 6.8 with caldari state for the caldari chain, or 6.8 with a particular corp like caldari navy to begin the mission chain? Just trying to collect the facts so the other members in my corp can know if they qualify for the arc or not. I know that either way I would qualify for 2 of them. Thanks
Malfesa Longoten	Posted - 2009.08.19 19:06:00 - [71] Well, it has only been ONE WEEK since this thread was started. ONE WEEK to adequately test these missions. I still see lots of unanswered questions, problems pointed out and not addressed, and so on and so forth. So, CCP, are these really ready to be released to the masses tomorrow? I can't see how. What bugs me the most is that you open up a thread - a sticky no less - asing for input and feedback, and then don't even address over half of the problems and concerns brought up. So, did you guys magically fix these and just not let us know about them? I just hope so, otherwise there's gonna be even more petitions than usual on patch day... including one from me when I get to "The Breakout" again.
Mikal Drey Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.19 19:40:00 - [72] Originally by: Malfesa Longoten I still see lots of unanswered questions, problems pointed out and not addressed, and so on and so forth. the problem with testing the arcs is that they still use TQ mechanics and you cant rerun them to see if CCP actually addressed the issues. i agree that it can be very fustrating that CCP dont answer peoples questions and interact more but seem to cherry pick responses. with any luck we (those who tested) gave enough feedback for minor issues to be addressed or ignored as they were issues placed there by design. having a short test period avoids people who were there to map the arc and find the best routes for the best items which is exactly what WILL happen on TQ when the guide shows the entire tree and isk/rewards etc as always its fun to watch people die in the first week of nw missions and watch that forum catch fire with complaints about poor testing and QA. hence why i use SISI more and more each patch :) Shattered Crystal - 60 day GTC
Killer Gandry Caldari Red Horizon Inc	Posted - 2009.08.20 16:37:00 - [73] Knew it would pay off to run lvl 4's more and more in AF's solo or with corpmate(s)
Shirley Serious Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra	Posted - 2009.08.20 16:50:00 - [74] Originally by: Sturmwolke 3) "Longing Leman". I'm not well versed with the Amarr RP background stories, but the title doesn't seem to make sense when you read its mission briefing. Who the heck is Leman? Leman is an old word, means sweetheart or lover. In that mission, it refers to Lady whatsername, the scheming minx. Yes. Yes, I am.
Terminus Vindictus Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.20 16:58:00 - [75] Edited by: Terminus Vindictus on 20/08/2009 16:59:50 So I started running the new epic Caldari mission on the test server the other day, and I was a bit confused when I got to the first choice in the chain. The mission is called "The Paths that are Hidden". It offered me three choices - one Empire, one losec, and one 0.0. I took the safe choice as a test, and went to the appropriate agent as requested. After I got done getting there, he sent me back to the first agent that was offering the three choices, and now I had to choose one of the other paths. So basically the Empire path was a dead-end. Is that intended? Seems like a false choice if it doesn't go anywhere, and you end up being forced to go into losec or 0.0 to continue the chain. Oh, and the 0.0 destination is a joke. I can't imagine a time when that destination will not have a giant bubble with the appropriate camp waiting for anyone trying to drop off their mission materials. It should have been inside the station to at least give mission-runners a fighting chance to escape the trap. All they'd have to do is to circle the container at 3-4k to de-cloak any approaching mission runner before they can drop off the materials, and game over. I'm guessing the losec destination would have the same issue. I couldn't continue the chain because I'm waiting for Science V to finish training so I can train Hacking, which is required for the follow-on mission. Hello, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.
Sardia Jax Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.08.20 18:48:00 - [76] Originally by: Malfesa Longoten Still working on the Caldari epic arc and I get to this: The Breakout Mission briefing ItÆs time for you to put that ID tag to use and see firsthand what it is weÆre fighting against down here. WeÆve been receiving reports of a new prison facility being erected somewhere in the Aokinen constellation. ItÆs a decent distance away and in low-security space no less, so IÆd undock in something small and fast. Your mission is to discover the prisonÆs location, bypass the security forces and slip inside. Once youÆve made your way through there will be people of ours to free. Your only concern is saving them. If you can expedite their recovery by avoiding conflicts in the outer perimeter then you should do so. Our priority is our people, above all else. If youÆve never done any exploratory scanning before, then now would be a good time to learn. The Federation is skilled at hiding their secrets, but I have a feeling that a facility this size will be found easily enough. *** Ok, so there's something wrong here. In the Aokinen constellation, there aren't actually any low sec systems. So either it's a low sec system NOT in the Aokinen constellation, or it's a HIGH SEC in said constellation. Considering I would have no idea which one of many many low sec systems to even begin with outside of that constellation, I probed out all 9 systems in Aokinen. No prison. Nothing even remotely related to the mission. Some Guristas plexes, some roids, and not much else. Am I missing something obvious, or is the mission borked? WHAT?!? its narrowed to a whole constellation, not even a specific system? screw that...the time it takes to do all that bull*t, not taking into account low sec issues...could do a couple l4's...these rewards for the end of the arcs better be friggin worth it....now if only the q wiould move alone at faster than a snails pace...
Karl Civan	Posted - 2009.08.20 18:52:00 - [77] Waaaaait, what? 6.8 faction standing? I'll do level 4s and come back in another decade or so, then?
Malfesa Longoten	Posted - 2009.08.20 20:19:00 - [78] Originally by: CCP Fallout NOTES * The new Caldari Epic Arc has been temporarily disabled lmao... brilliant My concerns about these not being ready were right.
Solid Prefekt Haven Front	Posted - 2009.08.20 20:56:00 - [79] Originally by: Malfesa Longoten Originally by: CCP Fallout NOTES * The new Caldari Epic Arc has been temporarily disabled lmao... brilliant My concerns about these not being ready were right. So, is this down for hours or days? Should I sit in the system, or leave?
egegergergsdgedgege	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:29:00 - [80] Regarding the Epic Arcs: I was really looking forward to them. Im not an uber mission runner. I really get bored quite fast from the ever repeating missions. From the arc i was expextiong some new missions connected by some nice story. So i grabed a ship and piloted it to Josameto where the Caldari Agent is. But what did i find in Josameto? An Agent from a corp i never heard about with a standing requirement of 6.8. Of course i do not have the standing to the corp nor do i have a high enough faction standing towards Cadari State. Maybe that is not a problem at all for hardcore mission runners but the casual mission runner like me wont be able to enjoy this content without many hours of more grinding. I dont want to run dozends of level 4 missions nor do i have the time for that. So the consequence is that i cant access that content. Sorry but the standing system is just stupid here. Elgaris.
Zaknussem Intrum Industria	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:09:00 - [81] As usual, trust CCP to fail to bridge the gap between their intended ideas and bringing them to life. Business as usual. However, this thread is particular is pretty much saved by CCP Big Dumb Object, who again actually responds and gives meaningful answers in a nice and polite way on the forums. He talks to us. Many CCP staff can learn from him. Keep up the good work.
Shigins	Posted - 2009.08.21 00:59:00 - [82] i've done like 250 missions for Fed-Admin and only got a Gallete Standing of 2.8...... and i need over 6 to do the epic arc that just wants me to quit it just for missions grinders. i wanted to do it because it be something different then missions over and over again.
SilentSkills Gallente Hydro Chronic Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.08.21 14:56:00 - [83] CCP get your head out of your ass. WTF is up w/ the 6.8 standing to be able to run the mission? The agent's corp is impetus WHO THE HELL RUNS MISSIONS FOR IMPETUS? /emorage Your pigeonholing the arc on people's ability to get their faction standing to 6.8, which pretty much ruins your other standings, unless your a dedicated mission freak with positive standings w/ all factions. So are you copying Blizzard? making new content that can be used by the minority that can run the arc w/o risk of ruining their other standings? NICE JOB CCPlizzard
Assimil8r	Posted - 2009.08.22 15:09:00 - [84] These "epic" arcs are not deserving of the moniker. They're essentially WoW's quests - something that has been part of that game from day 1 and should have been present in EVE from its first live build. I see nothing "epic" about adding simple branching missions, particularly since their addition is only 6-odd years late. And fighting the same dumb BS spawns that you get in standard Level 4 missions is hardly epic either - you could have at least increased their numbers to "OMGWTF" levels. That said, these arcs do make PVE gameplay a lot more immersive and you definitely feel as if you're making a difference, something that's sure to attract new players to EVE and revitalise interest in older players who've grinded the same Level 4 mission a dozen times. Finally, I have to say that I appreciate the fact that these missions send players to low- and null-sec space. It's good for PVE-ers as it gets them out of their comfort zone and exposes them to the "wild side" of EVE... and of course it's good for PVP-ers. :) So thanks, CCP, and please add more of these missions ASAP!
SSteejans	Posted - 2009.08.22 19:04:00 - [85] so what are the special item rewards for finishing the arcs? _______________ if CCP's logs really never show anything, i have to wonder, do they even have logs?
Pytria Le'Danness	Posted - 2009.08.24 11:43:00 - [86] Originally by: SSteejans so what are the special item rewards for finishing the arcs? Check here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1156610 In short, don't bother unless you are Caldari. Or you are Gallente and want to portray a psychotic mass murderer working for the SS. former Intaki roleplayer, cured from this by CCP
Slave 2739FKZ Minmatar	Posted - 2009.08.28 19:29:00 - [87] So yeah... it happened, people is gatecamping the destination system in 0.0 for the caldari arc. Was so obvious, but I guess is better to not have random destination WIS is an expansion which allows EVE players to wear leather and walk around stations. Dust514 is a console shooter/rts which will tie into EVE and affect sov.
dosperado Denial of Service	Posted - 2009.08.31 10:10:00 - [88] Edited by: dosperado on 31/08/2009 10:15:16 Edited by: dosperado on 31/08/2009 10:13:38 Edited by: dosperado on 31/08/2009 10:12:15 WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING My Amarr Empire faction standing dropped from 9.94 to 9.46 while doing that Amarr epic arc! -2.4% This penalty was incurred for destroying Amarr Empire's Outpost Defender in Amdonen -0.02% This penalty was incurred for destroying Amarr Empire's Imperial Templar Diviner in Amdonen -0.0% This penalty was incurred for attacking Amarr Empire's Imperial Templar Phalanx in Amdonen If you love your high faction standings...DONT DO THE MISSION ARC..it's just an annoying mission design if you lose faction standings towards the faction you fly missions for....I am really **ed off! Petition seems not to help as the GM seems to be not so familiar with standings and missions. &%º$%% ____________________ Security Status 9.0**
Hussain Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2009.08.31 11:43:00 - [89] Hi Just did the first mission of the arc "The Tolle Scar" but I dont see any continuation. The agent that gave me the mission (Gian Perele of Impetus) mentioned that he needed extra help but I cant find him (even searching the name) and dont have a single clue on how to proceed. Thanks

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