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Cyprus Black
Novatech Armada
En Garde
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:08:00 -
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When there is lots of prey, the predators also multiply in number.
When prey becomes scarce due to too many predators, the predators start dying off due to lack of food.
This is what is happening in EvE. There were lots of players in lowsec and the pirates multiplied. Now we see a point where lowsec players are scarce and pirates are crying out that their profession is dying. Indeed it is and by their own hand.
Eventually, given enough time, pirate numbers will thin and players will start returning to lowsec.
You wouldn't complain about needles when you get a tattoo.
So why would you complain about PvP when you play EVE? |
Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo
WHY so Seri0Us
125
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:10:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:Jori McKie wrote:Ginseng Jita
you are a disgrace for a prirate. Go out and actually kill/ransom some poor souls and put them out of their misery. I extort millions in ISK just by letting miners in asteroid belts know that if they do not pay me x amount of ISK that it'll cost them dearly. I can rake a cool 50+ mil in a few minutes this way. :) Never even have to fire shot. Move to a new system. Wash, rinse, repeat. If they do not pay and warp to stations with their mining ops. I just wait. Then I return, blow up a barge or exhumer and repeat my offer. Soon the ISK are flowing in.
And thats it? That is your glorious existance as a "pirate?"
Like all fail-wannabe-hi-sec pvpers, you are pathetic.
I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
YuuKnow
344
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:19:00 -
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This thread is stupid |
baltec1
1221
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:22:00 -
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Vicky Somers wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Everyone knows what happens after a golden age. Golden shower?
More like iron hail. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1089
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:26:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:Ginseng Jita wrote:Jori McKie wrote:Ginseng Jita
you are a disgrace for a prirate. Go out and actually kill/ransom some poor souls and put them out of their misery. I extort millions in ISK just by letting miners in asteroid belts know that if they do not pay me x amount of ISK that it'll cost them dearly. I can rake a cool 50+ mil in a few minutes this way. :) Never even have to fire shot. Move to a new system. Wash, rinse, repeat. If they do not pay and warp to stations with their mining ops. I just wait. Then I return, blow up a barge or exhumer and repeat my offer. Soon the ISK are flowing in. And thats it? That is your glorious existance as a "pirate?" Like all fail-wannabe-hi-sec pvpers, you are pathetic.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Desert+Ice78
I lol'd. Such a leet pee vee peer. I can see why you were chosen to dictate what is "real" PvP and what isn't.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
441
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:29:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:You don't know what piracy is. You killed it yourself. When was the last time someone actually paid a ransom, as opposed to flipping you the finger and start sd timer. There was a golden age in piracy, and it won't come back with you here. 
Far as I know, The Bastards will honor all ransoms. They don't *always* offer one, but they will (last I knew) always honor one that is offered.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online:
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Snow Burst
RED.OverLord
72
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:32:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:You don't know what piracy is. You killed it yourself. When was the last time someone actually paid a ransom, as opposed to flipping you the finger and start sd timer. There was a golden age in piracy, and it won't come back with you here.
piracy = disobeying law simple as
There Is A 90% Chance All Of What You Just Read Is Wrong, Inaccurate Or Just Me Being Controversial In Some Way.-áOr By Some Chance It's Completely Right In Every Way... At Least To Me :3 |
Peri Simone
Black Rebel Rifter Club
41
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Posted - 2012.05.28 23:30:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:When there is lots of prey, the predators also multiply in number.
When prey becomes scarce due to too many predators, the predators start dying off due to lack of food.
This is what is happening in EvE. There were lots of players in lowsec and the pirates multiplied. Now we see a point where lowsec players are scarce and pirates are crying out that their profession is dying. Indeed it is and by their own hand.
Eventually, given enough time, pirate numbers will thin and players will start returning to lowsec.
I've heard this analogy before, and I'm not convinced it holds up. Where "predators" are people who like shooting other people with spaceships rather than say, foxes, we can sustain ourselves indefinitely by shooting each other.
We might moan about quiet systems and POS trash from time to time, but lowsec corps like BRRC, Gunpoint Diplomacy and The Tuskers don't seem to be in danger of starvation any time soon. |
Kimmi Chan
Black Rebel Rifter Club
0
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Posted - 2012.05.28 23:43:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:When there is lots of prey, the predators also multiply in number.
When prey becomes scarce due to too many predators, the predators start dying off due to lack of food.
This is what is happening in EvE. There were lots of players in lowsec and the pirates multiplied. Now we see a point where lowsec players are scarce and pirates are crying out that their profession is dying. Indeed it is and by their own hand.
Eventually, given enough time, pirate numbers will thin and players will start returning to lowsec.
Actually, since no one comes to low-sec anymore (out of fear or whatever other reason) the "pirates" come to hi-sec. Make no mistake, people sitting in high sec do so to avoid the risk of low-sec "pirates" and that is their prerogative. Since they won't come to us, we'll just come to them.
Suicide ganking is just a manifestation of the "predators" migrating.
+1 to OP - I do love the direction this could go.
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Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
379
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Posted - 2012.05.29 00:35:00 -
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...and now for your musical enjoyment...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xR4TZsZOPU |
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Mupdadoodidda Bix Nood
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.05.29 01:01:00 -
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Lowsec piracy became a circlejerk of mediocrity long ago. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
535
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Posted - 2012.05.29 05:12:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:sabre906 wrote:You don't know what piracy is. You killed it yourself. When was the last time someone actually paid a ransom, as opposed to flipping you the finger and start sd timer. There was a golden age in piracy, and it won't come back with you here. Far as I know, The Bastards will honor all ransoms. They don't *always* offer one, but they will (last I knew) always honor one that is offered.
But when they scramble a pod, would they even try to ransom it? Wanton podding is the hallmark of 'pirates' that don't care about making money. Usually because they run something like Incursions on the side.
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Llywelyn Emrys
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2012.05.29 05:16:00 -
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Piracy is no longer legitimate due to the proliferation of alts.
People don't need to make money doing piracy - they just have to hop on their hisec alt to fund all their PvP activities. |
Naburi NasNaburi
Rens Nursing Home
106
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Posted - 2012.05.29 05:27:00 -
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Dyvim Slorm wrote:Golden age of piracy was back in the days of mOo, they did it with some panache
Now thats a name i havent read in a LONG time.
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Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo
WHY so Seri0Us
126
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Posted - 2012.05.29 09:42:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Ginseng Jita wrote:Jori McKie wrote:Ginseng Jita
you are a disgrace for a prirate. Go out and actually kill/ransom some poor souls and put them out of their misery. I extort millions in ISK just by letting miners in asteroid belts know that if they do not pay me x amount of ISK that it'll cost them dearly. I can rake a cool 50+ mil in a few minutes this way. :) Never even have to fire shot. Move to a new system. Wash, rinse, repeat. If they do not pay and warp to stations with their mining ops. I just wait. Then I return, blow up a barge or exhumer and repeat my offer. Soon the ISK are flowing in. And thats it? That is your glorious existance as a "pirate?" Like all fail-wannabe-hi-sec pvpers, you are pathetic. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Desert+Ice78I lol'd. Such a leet pee vee peer. I can see why you were chosen to dictate what is "real" PvP and what isn't.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Simi+Kusoni
What? Are you serious?
I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Jajas Helper
130
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Posted - 2012.05.29 10:05:00 -
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I will join you, if i can have a free bird.
Inferno
do stuff with stuff to imitate the stuff you could do faster with the old stuff
-stuff- |
March rabbit
Trojan Trolls
Red Alliance
180
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Posted - 2012.05.29 10:11:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:The real difference was that when a frigate captured a sloop a pirate hunter did not appear from nowhere and destroy the pirate with a single cannon ball.
true story
on the other hand gold-haulers used to be strong armored and heavily defensed ships usually travelling in groups.
And there was no "alpha-strike" to just kill-and-loot-by-neutral-alt.
true story
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Jajas Helper
130
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Posted - 2012.05.29 10:29:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:The real difference was that when a frigate captured a sloop a pirate hunter did not appear from nowhere and destroy the pirate with a single cannon ball.
true story on the other hand gold-haulers used to be strong armored and heavily defensed ships usually travelling in groups. And there was no "alpha-strike" to just kill-and-loot-by-neutral-alt. true story
gold haulers didn't have - sail invulnerable to next part at 0km - :o just saying
Inferno
do stuff with stuff to imitate the stuff you could do faster with the old stuff
-stuff- |
Jajas Helper
130
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Posted - 2012.05.29 10:30:00 -
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Jajas Helper wrote:March rabbit wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:The real difference was that when a frigate captured a sloop a pirate hunter did not appear from nowhere and destroy the pirate with a single cannon ball.
true story on the other hand gold-haulers used to be strong armored and heavily defensed ships usually travelling in groups. And there was no "alpha-strike" to just kill-and-loot-by-neutral-alt. true story gold haulers didn't have - sail invulnerable to next part at 0km - :o just saying
or sail cloaked....
eitherway, the current system works - don't inferno this aswell.
Inferno
do stuff with stuff to imitate the stuff you could do faster with the old stuff
-stuff- |
March rabbit
Trojan Trolls
Red Alliance
180
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Posted - 2012.05.29 10:38:00 -
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Jajas Helper wrote:March rabbit wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:The real difference was that when a frigate captured a sloop a pirate hunter did not appear from nowhere and destroy the pirate with a single cannon ball.
true story on the other hand gold-haulers used to be strong armored and heavily defensed ships usually travelling in groups. And there was no "alpha-strike" to just kill-and-loot-by-neutral-alt. true story gold haulers didn't have - sail invulnerable to next part at 0km - :o just saying
true.
that's why using word "pirate" for Eve Online high-sec gankers sounds funny....
Real pirates could be respected for their effort and risk. Some of them became famous for hundreds of years. And what do modern Eve pirates to become famous even inside Eve Online for even 1 month? I didn't see anything i could respect them for. |
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Degren
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1083
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Posted - 2012.05.29 10:46:00 -
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I want a robot parrot and an eyepatch. A black monocle would do.
Then, and only then, will I take to the high tides of spacewater and perch myself upon a gate, ready to pillage and plunder.
And everytime I get a kill, I'll hot-drop myself on fleet comms and yell HAR HAR HAR before changing channel again (because getting yelled at would hurt my feelings)
You don't know |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1094
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Posted - 2012.05.29 18:22:00 -
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Yes, yes I am. Even my alts have better kill boards than you.
And the worst thing? I'm a friggin care bear. Personally if I was as terrible at PvP as you I wouldn't be insulting people on the forums because of how they choose to conduct their pirate activities.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
127
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Posted - 2012.06.01 13:35:00 -
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Piracy is still alive, it's that most well known pirate corporations (Python, M3AN Coalition, Fla5hy Red, VETO etc.) have faded into mediocrity by moving to null sec or just outright disbanding. |
Welsige
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.06.01 18:38:00 -
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Torneach wrote:You know what real-world pirates did?
They attacked and looted and ransomed the gold ships of great empires.
Why don't you quit hitting hisec miners and do that instead? Then you'll be real pirates.
Hum, I am sure they sank a lot of ships as well, lol.
Anyway, regarding looting, pirates in game have to destroy the ship to get to it anyway.
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Spineker
161
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Posted - 2012.06.01 18:40:00 -
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There is no piracy in eve only ganking. Piracy has a point to it which is to get rich you are not going to get rich being a pirate. Piracy is a thought in immature players heads not a reality. Never has been and I have tried it. |
Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
642
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Posted - 2012.06.01 18:49:00 -
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Spineker wrote:There is no piracy in eve only ganking. Piracy has a point to it which is to get rich you are not going to get rich being a pirate. Piracy is a thought in immature players heads not a reality. Never has been and I have tried it.
When I pull up near your hulk. I will politely ask you to hand over 20 mil ISK or you'll lose your hulk. You'll laugh...say right. Then my two mates in desi's will warp in with one word from me. Lock you up and blow the bejeezes out of your 300+ million dollar hulk. They'll be popped by concorde. Lose their 2 - 2 mil ISK ships. I'll salvage the remains.
When I re-appear, and ask you to hand over 20 mil ISK or lose your hulk...I think the next time you'll be handing over the ISK. :)
That is piracy. It's what we do.  |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1149
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Posted - 2012.06.01 18:49:00 -
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Spineker wrote:There is no piracy in eve only ganking. Piracy has a point to it which is to get rich you are not going to get rich being a pirate. Piracy is a thought in immature players heads not a reality. Never has been and I have tried it.
You may have been doing it incorrectly.
I scan down quite a lot of sites a day as part of my awesome leetzor PvE activities, in order to further increase my profits I keep the sites I don't want to run (any that aren't rated) bookmarked. Every now and then while my accounts are warping around I'll pick someone up on directional in one of those sites, and quickly go kill them.
Usually get some T2 mods out of it, sometimes if it's a T3 they drop nice loot. Plus T2/T3 salvage goes down a treat. And if they've nearly done the site I can always finish it and see if I get an escalation. I've had a few players that keep all their loot in their cargo as they go along as well, that's always a nice treat.
Anyway, it goes to show, sometimes PvP is for profit. Although that said, I do not usually ransom people. It just isn't worth it. But that's probably more of a sign of how cheap ships have become, and how easy it's become to make ISK, than it is to do with piracy itself.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1149
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Posted - 2012.06.01 18:52:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:Spineker wrote:There is no piracy in eve only ganking. Piracy has a point to it which is to get rich you are not going to get rich being a pirate. Piracy is a thought in immature players heads not a reality. Never has been and I have tried it. When I pull up near your hulk. I will politely ask you to hand over 20 mil ISK or you'll lose your hulk. You'll laugh...say right. Then my two mates in desi's will warp in with one word from me. Lock you up and blow the bejeezes out of your 300+ million dollar hulk. They'll be popped by concorde. Lose their 2 - 2 mil ISK ships. I'll salvage the remains. When I re-appear, and ask you to hand over 20 mil ISK or lose your hulk...I think the next time you'll be handing over the ISK. :) That is piracy. It's what we do.
Hehe, I have a corp in Aridia paying me 100m ISK a week to leave their members alone  Best thing is, I wasn't even trying to grief them, I'd have moved regions after a week or two anyway if they hadn't made such a fuss about it.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Spineker
161
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Posted - 2012.06.01 18:57:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:Spineker wrote:There is no piracy in eve only ganking. Piracy has a point to it which is to get rich you are not going to get rich being a pirate. Piracy is a thought in immature players heads not a reality. Never has been and I have tried it. When I pull up near your hulk. I will politely ask you to hand over 20 mil ISK or you'll lose your hulk. You'll laugh...say right. Then my two mates in desi's will warp in with one word from me. Lock you up and blow the bejeezes out of your 300+ million dollar hulk. They'll be popped by concorde. Lose their 2 - 2 mil ISK ships. I'll salvage the remains. When I re-appear, and ask you to hand over 20 mil ISK or lose your hulk...I think the next time you'll be handing over the ISK. :) That is piracy. It's what we do.
I don't have a hulk I have dual tengus so pull up anytime. Or Falcon Tengu or whatever I chose to pull out of the hanger assure you it will not be a mining ship.
So stick your desi right up your patch. |
Spineker
161
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Posted - 2012.06.01 18:59:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Ginseng Jita wrote:Spineker wrote:There is no piracy in eve only ganking. Piracy has a point to it which is to get rich you are not going to get rich being a pirate. Piracy is a thought in immature players heads not a reality. Never has been and I have tried it. When I pull up near your hulk. I will politely ask you to hand over 20 mil ISK or you'll lose your hulk. You'll laugh...say right. Then my two mates in desi's will warp in with one word from me. Lock you up and blow the bejeezes out of your 300+ million dollar hulk. They'll be popped by concorde. Lose their 2 - 2 mil ISK ships. I'll salvage the remains. When I re-appear, and ask you to hand over 20 mil ISK or lose your hulk...I think the next time you'll be handing over the ISK. :) That is piracy. It's what we do. Hehe, I have a corp in Aridia paying me 100m ISK a week to leave their members alone Best thing is, I wasn't even trying to grief them, I'd have moved regions after a week or two anyway if they hadn't made such a fuss about it.
Then they are idiots. |
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