Buff ganking or i'll unsub all 500 of my accounts.

Your move, CCP.

It is with this thought that I purpose that every and all pirates in the game of EVE begin burning and pillaging with the likes this game has never seen. It is not enough to blow up a retriever or hulk now and then. Nay! Like our ancestors of old...we must go forth into the vast shipping lanes of high-sec and take all that we can.

Burn Jita and Hulkageddon V were all good and well...but I think we have not done enough. It is time to take a stand. Gather your mates and go forth like locust to wheat. Take down freighters laden with all the riches of the stars filling the holds. Ransack the richest parts of space and take all you can find. Be bold brothers and sisters.

Exactly...take a stand. If CCP doesn't hear us - unsub! Biomass yourself. Send a clear massage! Pirates need love too!

Before you leave though. Make sure to contract your wealth to me. I'll put it to good use. Ganking boats are getting expensive.

Just as our ancestors did long ago, on a world long forgotten to history, we ply our trade throughout the stars. For many years, many pilots of EVE have plied their trade with little or no attention from CCP. We help make EVE a more...interesting place. Sure their are a number of detractors that would lament that players, such as myself, or the Goons, or any number of others that partake of this game style, are bad for the game.

I say let them whine!

We are just as much a part of EVE as the rest of you. In all the time players who pursue the life of piracy, never once have we seen CCP give our lot much attention. Others get brand new ships. New game mechanics. New content. What have I and my brethren gotten?

Sodden nothing.

It is with this thought that I purpose that every and all pirates in the game of EVE begin burning and pillaging with the likes this game has never seen. It is not enough to blow up a retriever or hulk now and then. Nay! Like our ancestors of old...we must go forth into the vast shipping lanes of high-sec and take all that we can.

Burn Jita and Hulkageddon V were all good and well...but I think we have not done enough. It is time to take a stand. Gather your mates and go forth like locust to wheat. Take down freighters laden with all the riches of the stars filling the holds. Ransack the richest parts of space and take all you can find. Be bold brothers and sisters.

Make CCP know that we will give no quarter until they recognize us and begin to spread some love our way. It is time brothers and sisters - it is time for...

I wonder why.
Oh! Maybe it's because of people taking a stand with events like Burn Jita and Hulkageddon?
You're only cutting in your own fingers by attacking the people who produce 99% of all stuff on the market xD

Just as our ancestors did long ago, on a world long forgotten to history, we ply our trade throughout the stars. For many years, many pilots of EVE have plied their trade with little or no attention from CCP. We help make EVE a more...interesting place. Sure their are a number of detractors that would lament that players, such as myself, or the Goons, or any number of others that partake of this game style, are bad for the game.

I say let them whine!

We are just as much a part of EVE as the rest of you. In all the time players who pursue the life of piracy, never once have we seen CCP give our lot much attention. Others get brand new ships. New game mechanics. New content. What have I and my brethren gotten?

Sodden nothing.

It is with this thought that I purpose that every and all pirates in the game of EVE begin burning and pillaging with the likes this game has never seen. It is not enough to blow up a retriever or hulk now and then. Nay! Like our ancestors of old...we must go forth into the vast shipping lanes of high-sec and take all that we can.

Burn Jita and Hulkageddon V were all good and well...but I think we have not done enough. It is time to take a stand. Gather your mates and go forth like locust to wheat. Take down freighters laden with all the riches of the stars filling the holds. Ransack the richest parts of space and take all you can find. Be bold brothers and sisters.

Make CCP know that we will give no quarter until they recognize us and begin to spread some love our way. It is time brothers and sisters - it is time for...

Ginseng Jita
you are a disgrace for a prirate. Go out and actually kill/ransom some poor souls and put them out of their misery.

I extort millions in ISK just by letting miners in asteroid belts know that if they do not pay me x amount of ISK that it'll cost them dearly. I can rake a cool 50+ mil in a few minutes this way. :) Never even have to fire shot. Move to a new system. Wash, rinse, repeat.

If they do not pay and warp to stations with their mining ops. I just wait. Then I return, blow up a barge or exhumer and repeat my offer. Soon the ISK are flowing in.

You have definitly not killed anybody on this account as there are no kills reported whatsorever that's why i called you a disgrace.

1660s were the Golden age of Piracy and the vast wealth of the spanish main where there for all to claim.


The Privateers rules the waves and plundered at will.


There were Pirate hunters who were sometimes successful at catching their quarry but many were as bad as the pirates themselves.


The real difference was that when a frigate captured a sloop a pirate hunter did not appear from nowhere and destroy the pirate with a single cannon ball.


true story

1660s were the Golden age of Piracy and the vast wealth of the spanish main where there for all to claim.

The Privateers rules the waves and plundered at will.

There were Pirate hunters who were sometimes successful at catching their quarry but many were as bad as the pirates themselves.

The real difference was that when a frigate captured a sloop a pirate hunter did not appear from nowhere and destroy the pirate with a single cannon ball.

true story

Golden age of piracy was back in the days of mOo, they did it with some panache

Suicide ganking isn't piracy. Its idiocy.

Piracy is where you ransom hauler ships.

Everyone knows what happens after a golden age.

I extort millions in ISK just by letting miners in asteroid belts know that if they do not pay me x amount of ISK that it'll cost them dearly. I can rake a cool 50+ mil in a few minutes this way. :) Never even have to fire shot. Move to a new system. Wash, rinse, repeat.

If they do not pay and warp to stations with their mining ops. I just wait. Then I return, blow up a barge or exhumer and repeat my offer. Soon the ISK are flowing in.

Golden shower?

And thats it? That is your glorious existance as a "pirate?"

Like all fail-wannabe-hi-sec pvpers, you are pathetic.

You don't know what piracy is. You killed it yourself.

When was the last time someone actually paid a ransom, as opposed to flipping you the finger and start sd timer. There was a golden age in piracy, and it won't come back with you here.

You don't know what piracy is. You killed it yourself.

When was the last time someone actually paid a ransom, as opposed to flipping you the finger and start sd timer. There was a golden age in piracy, and it won't come back with you here.

When there is lots of prey, the predators also multiply in number.
When prey becomes scarce due to too many predators, the predators start dying off due to lack of food.

This is what is happening in EvE. There were lots of players in lowsec and the pirates multiplied. Now we see a point where lowsec players are scarce and pirates are crying out that their profession is dying. Indeed it is and by their own hand.

Eventually, given enough time, pirate numbers will thin and players will start returning to lowsec.

When there is lots of prey, the predators also multiply in number.
When prey becomes scarce due to too many predators, the predators start dying off due to lack of food.

This is what is happening in EvE. There were lots of players in lowsec and the pirates multiplied. Now we see a point where lowsec players are scarce and pirates are crying out that their profession is dying. Indeed it is and by their own hand.

Eventually, given enough time, pirate numbers will thin and players will start returning to lowsec.

Far as I know, The Bastards will honor all ransoms. They don't *always* offer one, but they will (last I knew) always honor one that is offered.

Golden age of piracy was back in the days of mOo, they did it with some panache

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Desert+Ice78

I lol'd. Such a leet pee vee peer. I can see why you were chosen to dictate what is "real" PvP and what isn't.

The real difference was that when a frigate captured a sloop a pirate hunter did not appear from nowhere and destroy the pirate with a single cannon ball.
true story

on the other hand gold-haulers used to be strong armored and heavily defensed ships usually travelling in groups.
And there was no "alpha-strike" to just kill-and-loot-by-neutral-alt.

true story

gold haulers didn't have - sail invulnerable to next part at 0km - :o just saying

gold haulers didn't have - sail invulnerable to next part at 0km - :o just saying

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Simi+Kusoni

What? Are you serious?

You know what real-world pirates did?

They attacked and looted and ransomed the gold ships of great empires.

Why don't you quit hitting hisec miners and do that instead? Then you'll be real pirates.

There is no piracy in eve only ganking. Piracy has a point to it which is to get rich you are not going to get rich being a pirate. Piracy is a thought in immature players heads not a reality. Never has been and I have tried it.

There is no piracy in eve only ganking. Piracy has a point to it which is to get rich you are not going to get rich being a pirate. Piracy is a thought in immature players heads not a reality. Never has been and I have tried it.

When I pull up near your hulk. I will politely ask you to hand over 20 mil ISK or you'll lose your hulk. You'll laugh...say right. Then my two mates in desi's will warp in with one word from me. Lock you up and blow the bejeezes out of your 300+ million dollar hulk. They'll be popped by concorde. Lose their 2 - 2 mil ISK ships. I'll salvage the remains.

When I re-appear, and ask you to hand over 20 mil ISK or lose your hulk...I think the next time you'll be handing over the ISK. :)

That is piracy. It's what we do.

When I pull up near your hulk. I will politely ask you to hand over 20 mil ISK or you'll lose your hulk. You'll laugh...say right. Then my two mates in desi's will warp in with one word from me. Lock you up and blow the bejeezes out of your 300+ million dollar hulk. They'll be popped by concorde. Lose their 2 - 2 mil ISK ships. I'll salvage the remains.

When I re-appear, and ask you to hand over 20 mil ISK or lose your hulk...I think the next time you'll be handing over the ISK. :)

That is piracy. It's what we do.

Hehe, I have a corp in Aridia paying me 100m ISK a week to leave their members alone Best thing is, I wasn't even trying to grief them, I'd have moved regions after a week or two anyway if they hadn't made such a fuss about it.

You may have been doing it incorrectly.

I scan down quite a lot of sites a day as part of my awesome leetzor PvE activities, in order to further increase my profits I keep the sites I don't want to run (any that aren't rated) bookmarked. Every now and then while my accounts are warping around I'll pick someone up on directional in one of those sites, and quickly go kill them.

Usually get some T2 mods out of it, sometimes if it's a T3 they drop nice loot. Plus T2/T3 salvage goes down a treat. And if they've nearly done the site I can always finish it and see if I get an escalation. I've had a few players that keep all their loot in their cargo as they go along as well, that's always a nice treat.

Anyway, it goes to show, sometimes PvP is for profit. Although that said, I do not usually ransom people. It just isn't worth it. But that's probably more of a sign of how cheap ships have become, and how easy it's become to make ISK, than it is to do with piracy itself.

When I pull up near your hulk. I will politely ask you to hand over 20 mil ISK or you'll lose your hulk. You'll laugh...say right. Then my two mates in desi's will warp in with one word from me. Lock you up and blow the bejeezes out of your 300+ million dollar hulk. They'll be popped by concorde. Lose their 2 - 2 mil ISK ships. I'll salvage the remains.

When I re-appear, and ask you to hand over 20 mil ISK or lose your hulk...I think the next time you'll be handing over the ISK. :)

That is piracy. It's what we do.

We were doing it before you ever heard of this game.

Piracy is a negative income occupation.

You don't know what piracy is. You killed it yourself.

When was the last time someone actually paid a ransom, as opposed to flipping you the finger and start sd timer. There was a golden age in piracy, and it won't come back with you here.

We are just as much a part of EVE as the rest of you. In all the time players who pursue the life of piracy, never once have we seen CCP give our lot much attention. Others get brand new ships. New game mechanics. New content. What have I and my brethren gotten?

Sodden nothing.

The golden age of piracy in EvE ended when people started dishonoring ransoms AND killing everything that moved for the sake of the almighty killboard.

A real pirate would ask that hauler where he's going, and offer safe passage in return for a cut of profits. This is the core of capitalist piracy: why do an hour's honest work when you can get a ten percent cut of ten other people's honest work in return for not doing something?

That guy wants to rat in local belts? Go for it matey, but give me a 10% cut of your bounties.

Now there's an interesting mechanic for CCP to implement. Let's call this "treaties": I will set my standings to you to be (light) blue, and in return you give me 10% of the bounties you collect in this constellation. Since you're blue, my corp won't shoot you!

whatever would come up, people will game it to nothing.

I could imagine a different kind of status, or a reputation status similar to security stats. Basically you pay a ransom with a "pay ransom" instead of give money button, and if you die in the same constellation as the person you paid, or get killed by that person within some amount of time, they lose reputation. This would actually help players learn who the real pirate is versus the scammer. Of course in the midst of this idea I hear the crying alrady "What if I don't kill the ransomee in the same constellation!! waa waaa!".

Well then, perhaps in order not to get blamed, you now have to protect that person. Who, after all, sits on a gate ransoming people without control of the system so much that they cannot assure safe passage?

Oh wait - there are no real pirates who would control and secure a space lane. It's all just random camp/blob without any real actual game going on. I forget.

Cancel the order for the eye patch.

(Though imagine if you have to have a certain high reputation as a REAL pirate to get an eye patch from NEX? Just thinking... nothing will change)

Just as our ancestors did long ago, on a world long forgotten to history, we ply our trade throughout the stars. For many years, many pilots of EVE have plied their trade with little or no attention from CCP. We help make EVE a more...interesting place. Sure their are a number of detractors that would lament that players, such as myself, or the Goons, or any number of others that partake of this game style, are bad for the game.

I say let them whine!

We are just as much a part of EVE as the rest of you. In all the time players who pursue the life of piracy, never once have we seen CCP give our lot much attention. Others get brand new ships. New game mechanics. New content. What have I and my brethren gotten?

Sodden nothing.

It is with this thought that I purpose that every and all pirates in the game of EVE begin burning and pillaging with the likes this game has never seen. It is not enough to blow up a retriever or hulk now and then. Nay! Like our ancestors of old...we must go forth into the vast shipping lanes of high-sec and take all that we can.

Burn Jita and Hulkageddon V were all good and well...but I think we have not done enough. It is time to take a stand. Gather your mates and go forth like locust to wheat. Take down freighters laden with all the riches of the stars filling the holds. Ransack the richest parts of space and take all you can find. Be bold brothers and sisters.

Make CCP know that we will give no quarter until they recognize us and begin to spread some love our way. It is time brothers and sisters - it is time for...

A real pirate would ask that hauler where he's going, and offer safe passage in return for a cut of profits. This is the core of capitalist piracy: why do an hour's honest work when you can get a ten percent cut of ten other people's honest work in return for not doing something?

That guy wants to rat in local belts? Go for it matey, but give me a 10% cut of your bounties.

Now there's an interesting mechanic for CCP to implement. Let's call this "treaties": I will set my standings to you to be (light) blue, and in return you give me 10% of the bounties you collect in this constellation. Since you're blue, my corp won't shoot you!

Ironically I like this idea. Put in collateral of some sort on the back end to discourage cheating like a short term contract. Set the date and time yourself, isk up front sort of deal. Could use a variation of the contract system really for it as its got most of the code in place for a formal agreement.

Then as a pirate you could create formal ransom agreements, escort, free to pass etc and upon scramming them simply offer it as a pop up window to the victim. Victim could fight it out or accept the terms, or offer a counter offer within the same system. Set the time frames etc, "taxation" cuts etc. Then like contracts you could check it to see if they upheld them, dishonored them, how many they had, isk values etc. Itd not only be a formalization but a validation of true piracy...epeen and ehonor and all that jazz.



But as to the OP Piracy as a Golden Age is long dead. I agree with Herzog on this one. Its BOOM HEADSHOT!! stuff now. Its just far to easy, theres no real repercussions and its an alts game. Low used to be fun as did null a lot more than it is now. Players created it to be that way themselves and have noone else to blame really. Imo its about Eves "bigness" or rather smallness and population growth thats created that though.

Dont get me wrong Eve is fun, its about building and blowing things up but at the same time its simply changed. Some of its good change some not so good and its just a matter of perspective and opinions regarding which is which. Opinions are like assholes everyones got one and they all ******* stink.

Piracy is indeed fairly broken as a game mechanic. To begin with, piracy is really just a matter of semantics. Except for FW folks, you are always a pirate to your target. Regardless of what ever 'cause' you fight for, all that PvP is just the same as what 'pirates' do. Ransoms are pretty much the only functional difference- indeed low sec guns will fire on someone calling themselves an anti-pirate the same as they will for me and my Black Rebel friends. Only FW really qualifies as fighting for a legitimate national military. Everyone else is a pirate or hired gun- all random PvP is a form of piracy.
It goes to the issues of low sec. Generally, in Eve the closer something is to a RL counterpart, the better it works. Like a large fleet with specific roles being filled works remarkably like a RL battle fleet- and it works well. But piracy in Eve doesn't reflect it's RL counter part very well- the Age of Sail.
In short, we have no way to intercept passing (preferably soft targets) traffic in low sec, except to camp gates which requires large ships to absorb gate fire- where most pirates favor small, hit and run type ships.Our other option is camping a static plex, which means usually no one runs the plex and only comes to fight- not exactly 'piracy' in any meaningful sense. The truth is, we do mostly arranged duels because we're PvP enthusiasts. Piracy is a pretext for enjoying PvP.
In the grand scheme of null being a resource producing area, and high sec being the market areas, then low sec should be that dangerous passage between the two where pirates lurk and can halt unescorted traffic.
I think bubbles should work in low and not null- to reflect the local authority of your sov -claiming alliance in null, and the lack of security on the long low sec route to empire space to sell those wares. That would put more requirement to actually escort those resources to market rather than just blast thru low sec fearing little other than the rare gate camp. It would allow 'pirates' to act like pirates rather than just PvP enthusiasts, which is probably a more accurate description of most pirates.
We suffer from the negative connotation of the term 'pirate' without actually doing hardly anything differently than everyone else. Whether you shoot people to collect kill mails or moon goo, it's all functionally the same. If anything, our ransoming of ships and pods is more civilized than anyone else, who are almost universally NBSI.

Sorry to burst the bubble on piracy in Eve. But it's nothing like non-pirates seem to think.