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Tamahra
Gallente
Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.17 07:01:00 -
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Edited by: Tamahra on 17/08/2009 07:01:32
--> Potrero
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The typical pathetic noob / WoW Nerd. Just got their tutorials done and the next thing they do is calling doom upon Eve.
Stupid 09Ķers
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Yoichiro Nambu
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Posted - 2009.08.17 07:05:00 -
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well if the ccp nubs would try fix all the ****ing bugs they would be the biggest mmo in the history of mankind - even bigger then mcdonalds
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Mr Reason
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Posted - 2009.08.17 07:07:00 -
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I'll be happy when EVE gets some competitors (even though they're not on the same level they're still spaceships etc) and I hope they lose a large chunk or customers to them. Perhaps then the marketing people will then start to understand that to stay healthy they need to stay/become more niche (again).
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Tamahra
Gallente
Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.17 07:10:00 -
[34]
 Originally by: Mr Reason
I'll be happy when EVE gets some competitors (even though they're not on the same level they're still spaceships etc) and I hope they lose a large chunk or customers to them. Perhaps then the marketing people will then start to understand that to stay healthy they need to stay/become more niche (again).
sorry but this didnt quite make any sense. None of it.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.17 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
it's true, EVE is dying
...so can I have your stuff, being that you won't be needing it? 
EVE have been dieing since I joined. But I have yet to get any stuff from anyone, maby I never ask nice enouhg... :(
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Potrero
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.17 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
it's true, EVE is dying
...so can I have your stuff, being that you won't be needing it?
EVE have been dieing since I joined. But I have yet to get any stuff from anyone, maby I never ask nice enouhg... :(
Question wasn't: "Is Eve Dying?" Question was: "Has Eve Peaked?"
Follow on question was: "What's CCP's plan for growth?"
Legit questions. So far no answers.
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Rackoon
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Posted - 2009.08.17 07:52:00 -
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No it hasn't peaked, provided they introduce and advertise new features. It must be stressed however, that they need to fix existing game functionality before doing so. I'm sick and tired of the POS mechanics..
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Tamahra
Gallente
Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.17 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Rackoon
I'm sick and tired of the POS mechanics..
the winter expansion will make you happy then
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Izztyrr Maemtor
It's summer time in the norther hemisphere. People aren't playing any as much as they do in the winter. No, this is not it. Eve is not dieing.
Dont forget they recently had a mass purge of macro/ISK farmer accounts. I've heard it rumoured that the number of accounts involved was over 2000, and by definition, these are accounts that are on 23/7.
Besides which... what have they done really wrong in the last 6 months? Dont get me wrong, they did plenty of terribad things in 2008, but this year has been pretty good.
So yeah. Macro banning + summer effect.
There were ~46,400 online last night when I logged in.
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Cassiopeia Draco
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Posted - 2009.08.17 08:05:00 -
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As others have said, after a major expansion a number of accounts get reactivated, plus you have the influx of new blood due to advertising.
As a general rule, Eve always drops off by a significant amount during the summer months (Jul-Sep), as people go on holiday/vacation, or even just go to the virtual world called 'outside', the one with the buring ball of fire in the sky.
If CCP (or someone) could produce a graph showing the peak number of accounts by day over the last 4 years you'd see the trend.
Having said that, there are 40K+ accounts (on average) logged on most evenings, compared to a simular period last year when it was in the mid 30K's, so I dont see how eve is dieing.
Even at the peak for the winter of 2007/8 there where no more than 35K accounts (on average) logged on at anyone time.
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qanatas
Minmatar
Tribal Core
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Posted - 2009.08.17 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cassiopeia Draco
As others have said, after a major expansion a number of accounts get reactivated, plus you have the influx of new blood due to advertising.
But the winterexpansion will be focusing on sovereignty. And let's face it, that only concerns a very small percentage of the eve online community. I hope they will add some other things to the mix, or it will be a half baked 'expansion' like Quantum Rise was.
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Lord Haur
Amarr
StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.08.17 08:36:00 -
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Just because it's main focus is sov doesn't mean that there won't be other things as well.
Also redoing sov means lots of ex-players will resub and get involved in 0.0 if they do it well.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.17 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Bazuka
EVE has never been really tested but it will be soon with Jumgate Evolution, Dark Prophecy and Star Trek Online.
EVE has a good deffence in it`s favor though.
You can play it for free so many will stay subscribed while trying other games.
If some of them with 2-4 EVE accounts DO like those games and spend most of their time playing there, and don`t have enough ISK to support multi accounts for a long time they`ll have to drop an account or two.
That`s a lot of IFs though.
We`ll see.
These games do not form a threat for EVE,
STO will not be sandbox.
Jumpgate Evolution is a major dumbed down version of the original, it won't be a complex sandbox.
Dark Prophecy has some good ideas, but no financial backing and little resources ( it's from the guys from Neocron ).
Games that have my interest are :
Fallen Earth ( altho that interest is fading )
Earthrise ( one of the few last hopes for a good sci-fi sandbox )
So far there is nothing that can really put a dent in EVE Online.
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh
Active @ EvE Online
Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom
Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC |
CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.17 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Potrero
Seems like it's been a while since I've seen Eve break a record for players online. In fact I don't think I've seen it hit 50,000 for a while.
Add to that the fact that I'm seeing online ads for it everywhere and I just gotta ask...
Is this it?
What are CCP's plans for growing the game beyond the current base?
That is, like others have said, pretty normal, during low season and no recent expansion released.
There are some things that should be done tho :
The sound engine has to be fixed so we can hear these nice explosions and stuff :)
WIS has to get released.
The download and install bugs have to get fixed.
These 3 points will attract many new targets, err players :p
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh
Active @ EvE Online
Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom
Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC |
Kratznotzt
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Posted - 2009.08.17 09:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kratznotzt on 17/08/2009 09:23:19
Originally by: Bazuka
Jumpgate Evolution is a major dumbed down version of the original, it won't be a complex sandbox.
Jumpgate may steal a lot of carebears from EvE, but only if the economy really holds. No gate camping in that one, which may appeal to a lot of people. The pro, and con, of that game is that you don't lose your equipment (and it can't be looted) when you get killed. This is great for the normal mission runner, doesn't have to be a catastrophe for the pvp:er (if done well) but a game killer for the pirates. It can also make living by manufacturing things as bad as in WoW, i.e. you make more income by just selling the materials than actually making something from them.
Anyway, the people making jumpgate have definitely read the Eveforums and planned it to target unhappy eve-players. It might be a threat, but only if the economy works as well as it does in Eve.
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fuze
Gallente
Chosen Path
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.08.17 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Remember its not all about wis and stuff, remember revelations got pushed back too. CCP makes quality products so they are going to take longer.
Are you serious?
Parts are really nice like the graphics and the sandbox approach. But the client has been a bug ridden nuisance since beta.
On the whole it has been made easier to new players to get into it but on the other hand the lore was trimmed down to an absolute minimum and SOV turned 0.0 into one big giant napfest of moongold suckers.
Winter patch and WiS can be welcome additions to the game but they won't double the amount of members and Eve will remain to put off millions of potential players. Who knows WoD will have more members online after just one year.
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Signore Kaeota
Caldari
Caelum Incognitum
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:03:00 -
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: qanatas
Originally by: Cassiopeia Draco
As others have said, after a major expansion a number of accounts get reactivated, plus you have the influx of new blood due to advertising.
But the winterexpansion will be focusing on sovereignty. And let's face it, that only concerns a very small percentage of the eve online community. I hope they will add some other things to the mix, or it will be a half baked 'expansion' like Quantum Rise was.
Of the active players (on at a time), quite a lot of them are in 0.0, and new sov might make it so that more go to 0.0.
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: CyberGh0st
The sound engine has to be fixed so we can hear these nice explosions and stuff :)
I'd highlight this!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Bazuka
EVE has never been really tested but it will be soon with Jumgate Evolution, Dark Prophecy and Star Trek Online.
EVE has a good deffence in it`s favor though.
You can play it for free so many will stay subscribed while trying other games.
If some of them with 2-4 EVE accounts DO like those games and spend most of their time playing there, and don`t have enough ISK to support multi accounts for a long time they`ll have to drop an account or two.
That`s a lot of IFs though.
We`ll see.
Maybe ST:O will be the motivation for CCP to finally making missioning and ratting fun, challenging and exciting.
But honestly, I wouldn't hold out too much hope for ST:O
Calling it now: lifetime subs will be available either at launch or within 3 months of launch.
JG:E is different enough from EvE that it's an "as well as" not an "instead of", although you are probably right to say that some EvE multi-accounters might drop an account for it. Assuming it ever actually launches, of course. And that it's any good when it does. Those are 2 pretty big assumptions.
The Black Prophecy thing - isn't that just one guy doing everything? Sadly, I just dont see it ever actually happening.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: fuze
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Remember its not all about wis and stuff, remember revelations got pushed back too. CCP makes quality products so they are going to take longer.
Are you serious?
Parts are really nice like the graphics and the sandbox approach. But the client has been a bug ridden nuisance since beta.
On the whole it has been made easier to new players to get into it but on the other hand the lore was trimmed down to an absolute minimum and SOV turned 0.0 into one big giant napfest of moongold suckers.
Winter patch and WiS can be welcome additions to the game but they won't double the amount of members and Eve will remain to put off millions of potential players. Who knows WoD will have more members online after just one year.
CCP said that they expect WoD to have 2-3x as many subs as EvE. Take that for what it's worth. It's pretty obvious that it's going to be more about social skills than L33t gUnZ
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Lukriss
Lone Star Academy
Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:34:00 -
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who cares if eve has peaked? I mean really care, no one says a game can't peak twice.
And I'm not really sure it would be terrible for the game to lose 25% of the players.
Originally by: Redloc
I want to gank hulks in high sec! I have a dedicated miner account so I have the funds to throw away.
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Azirapheal
Amarr
Armored Core Inc.
The Council.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: Azirapheal on 17/08/2009 11:53:00
ive just brought a few friends away from the digital crack of WOW into the digital ****** of eve.
was very very amusing tracking them down and destroying their ships/pods :D
but they seem to enjoy it and thus they will continue to play the game... ive even willingly sent them into gatecamps to get them used to the idea of losing their **** every now and again
edit : giving all npc's sleeper AI would be a nice start.... lvl 4 missions would become siiiick
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Jastra
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.17 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Potrero
Seems like it's been a while since I've seen Eve break a record for players online. In fact I don't think I've seen it hit 50,000 for a while.
Add to that the fact that I'm seeing online ads for it everywhere and I just gotta ask...
Is this it?
What are CCP's plans for growing the game beyond the current base?
it;s the middle of summer in most of EVEs biggest markets, people are outside enjoying the sun or if you live in the UK dodging the showers....
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.08.17 12:16:00 -
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It's hard to say whether it has peaked. Depends on to many variables.
The first major problem is the economic recession in many of the industrialized nations. If it continues then yes EVE could have hit its peak, but that is something that CCP cannot control.
Competition from newer MMOs is certain to come. However anyone that has a year or more into an MMO is usually reluctant to leave their progress behind. Barring some idiocy as SOE had when the NGE came out for SWG it is unlikely any significant portion of the 1 year old or older players would be pulled away permanently to any other game, carebear or otherwise.
The problem though is in recruiting newer players. The more competition out there the more options and the newer players may not give the game as much a chance.
While on the surface WiS may seem to offer little to gameplay, you'd be surprised, it would be enough to probably hook many of the borderline cases that might be inclined to try out some new game. It adds a social aspect to the game that is mostly lacking now and would probably attract RPers in particular boosting CVA and Electus Matari and similar alliances. Without it, it will become increasingly difficult to attract new players and retain them with the many options coming out. It should have been a priority for CCP but clearly has not been. That could cost them down the road.
One thing to keep in mind though is that Star Trek Online may not do well. Whenever you take a genre that is well known and well established you bring with it the expectations of those fans. Many times those expectations cannot be met. EVE's success is largely that they control and made a unique IP that is not bound by anything they did not produce. Jumpgate Evolution could suffer the same problems of not meeting expectations of current fans. Those are always dangers when using an existing IP.
If Champions Online was like the pen and paper champions and not as it is. They basically took the champions universe and made a new game system for it but if it was the pen and paper version on computer then I'd be there :), I do follow its progress but so far I am kinda disappointed....since it is also the same company making Star Trek Online I'm a bit leery of that too.
I think the largest factor right now is the economy which is beyond CCPs control.
I do believe it is in their best interest though to have a WiS expansion up and running in 6 months time to ensure competitiveness with newer MMOs coming out. EVE's players have great longevity compared to many MMOs but even still we need fresh folks coming in or eventually EVE will die.
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.17 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
But honestly, I wouldn't hold out too much hope for ST:O
Calling it now: lifetime subs will be available either at launch or within 3 months of launch.
They have lifetime subs already as it gives people access to the beta...
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Malcanis
But honestly, I wouldn't hold out too much hope for ST:O
Calling it now: lifetime subs will be available either at launch or within 3 months of launch.
They have lifetime subs already as it gives people access to the beta...
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 12:50:00 -
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If CCP really do fix 0.0 sovereignty/POS warfare then I think there are a large number of bitter veterans who will risk taking a look.
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Tian Jade
Amarr
Panta-Rhei
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Posted - 2009.08.17 13:11:00 -
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EVE is not dieing, but the I think the last few expansions as well as the upcoming ones are underwhelming.
New Server Fixes, so that Mass Battles are (almost) Lag Free? Ask me if I care. The Day I will return to that part of EVE, is the Day Hell freezes over.
Factional Warfare? Yeah Right, whatever
Wormhole Space? Interesting idea but not well executed.
T3? Oh my God, it's full of Fail!
Epic Storyarcs? CCP will certainly make the same mistakes ever and ever again.
Sovereignity Fix? I will believe it when I see it and until that Day I will reserve my right to be very cynical about it.
COSMOS? EVE Facebook, oh yes great idea and so... (absolutely on Top of the List of Content I will certainly never use)
WiS? It will be great, just like Duke Nukem Forever!
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Doomed Predator
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.17 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tian Jade
EVE is not dieing, but the I think the last few expansions as well as the upcoming ones are underwhelming.
New Server Fixes, so that Mass Battles are (almost) Lag Free? Ask me if I care. The Day I will return to that part of EVE, is the Day Hell freezes over.
Factional Warfare? Yeah Right, whatever
Wormhole Space? Interesting idea but not well executed.
T3? Oh my God, it's full of Fail!
Epic Storyarcs? CCP will certainly make the same mistakes ever and ever again.
Sovereignity Fix? I will believe it when I see it and until that Day I will reserve my right to be very cynical about it.
COSMOS? EVE Facebook, oh yes great idea and so... (absolutely on Top of the List of Content I will certainly never use)
WiS? It will be great, just like Duke Nukem Forever!
Someone is really bitter
I just want them to fix tov and give us a new UI and keep killing bugs and lag. Screw WiS, don't see why people make such a big deal if we're not gonna see it this or next year.
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