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Potrero
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.17 00:29:00 -
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Seems like it's been a while since I've seen Eve break a record for players online. In fact I don't think I've seen it hit 50,000 for a while.
Add to that the fact that I'm seeing online ads for it everywhere and I just gotta ask...
Is this it?
What are CCP's plans for growing the game beyond the current base?
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Dark Ascendancy
The Council.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 00:31:00 -
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They try too hard... they'd keep more people if they stopped changing everything
 Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: FOl2TY8
I know that some people like to have voluntary periods of abstinence.
Yeah, I use that excuse too.
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LuCiD
Amarr
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Potrero
Is this it?
What are CCP's plans for growing the game beyond the current base?
No
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WAAAAY to comprehensive to sum up in one post. So let's just say it together:
EVE is not dead.
EVE is still lives.
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Keldar Anassi
Caldari
Rage Quit Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.17 00:35:00 -
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User activity is always higher when a expansion is released (which is when we were breaking 50,000 player online). The concurrent player numbers will rise again around the next Expansion. this is how EVE works.
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Izztyrr Maemtor
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.17 00:48:00 -
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It's summer time in the norther hemisphere. People aren't playing any as much as they do in the winter. No, this is not it. Eve is not dieing.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Annihilate.
Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 00:52:00 -
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it's true, EVE is dying
...so can I have your stuff, being that you won't be needing it? 
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.08.17 01:17:00 -
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Eve always has its peaks around winter/early spring. During Summer/Early autumn when the weather and scenery is nice, people tend to go do things not requiring a computer during the day, so peak concurrent users drops for a while. This has been the norm for the last 6-7 years 
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Bazuka
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Posted - 2009.08.17 01:23:00 -
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EVE has never been really tested but it will be soon with Jumgate Evolution, Dark Prophecy and Star Trek Online.
EVE has a good deffence in it`s favor though.
You can play it for free so many will stay subscribed while trying other games.
If some of them with 2-4 EVE accounts DO like those games and spend most of their time playing there, and don`t have enough ISK to support multi accounts for a long time they`ll have to drop an account or two.
That`s a lot of IFs though.
We`ll see.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 01:24:00 -
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and what with china passing that law of theirs that alone probably nuked 5000 active accounts at least.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.08.17 01:31:00 -
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It'll be interesting to see how attention wanes now that WiS has been pushed back, again.
I think people are getting a little tired of that.
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.08.17 01:34:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 17/08/2009 01:35:24
Originally by: Bazuka
EVE has never been really tested but it will be soon with Jumgate Evolution, Dark Prophecy and Star Trek Online.
EVE has a good deffence in it`s favor though.
You can play it for free so many will stay subscribed while trying other games.
If some of them with 2-4 EVE accounts DO like those games and spend most of their time playing there, and don`t have enough ISK to support multi accounts for a long time they`ll have to drop an account or two.
That`s a lot of IFs though.
We`ll see.
Yes agree with all that, its hard to say what will happen. I do know many WOW players are tired of that game and looking to another but they will never play EVE for a variety of reasons (Im rightly considered a nice carebear in EVE but I was considered hard core and hard nosed in WOW) But many players are also stuck in WOW as they have built a network of friends which is impossible to leave. I know about 100 that simply refuse to stop playing it right now. So its quite possible a game like Aion or Jumpgate may be the nudge they need which means EVE has a follow on benefit.
I have noticed EVE become very focused on new players and with very clever mechanics like WH's Its changed a lot since I first played a few years ago. I'm sure CCP has their eye on getting as many subscribers from the WOW fallout as they can. The fact EVE is merciless and so freeform is actually a refreshing chance for the ever increasing patronising attitude, spoon fed content and dumbing down other games are having.
As a general point Summer is always the lowest in player activity in any MMORPG, which is why WOW just rushed a crap update out. So really now is naturally the lowest point.
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Izztyrr Maemtor
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.17 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Bazuka
EVE has never been really tested but it will be soon with Jumgate Evolution, Dark Prophecy and Star Trek Online.
Those games are going to be like WoW in space. Any players that go there from here are no big loss.
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.08.17 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Izztyrr Maemtor
Originally by: Bazuka
EVE has never been really tested but it will be soon with Jumgate Evolution, Dark Prophecy and Star Trek Online.
Those games are going to be like WoW in space. Any players that go there from here are no big loss.
Yes and no. The common conception I see on these boards is WOW players are a uniform mass of like thinking players. Well, 6 million are all not alike, far from it. There is a good proportion of WOW players that would love EVE and enjoy its complexity and brutal approach. Assuming all WOW players are the same is naive. CCP knows that too I'm sure.
The main issue with players from games like WOW is they are so used to being spoon fed they find it hard to adjust. But once they 'get' EVE many will love it.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.08.17 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Izztyrr Maemtor
Originally by: Bazuka
EVE has never been really tested but it will be soon with Jumgate Evolution, Dark Prophecy and Star Trek Online.
Those games are going to be like WoW in space. Any players that go there from here are no big loss.
I think you and CCP both are underestimating the competition.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.08.17 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
It'll be interesting to see how attention wanes now that WiS has been pushed back, again.
I think people are getting a little tired of that.
You mean there are people who actually believe WiS isn't an elaborate practical joke CCP played on people long ago and is now just kept going to see how long it can live? 
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
i am your brain on boosters lol
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Izztyrr Maemtor
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.17 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Zartanic
The common conception I see on these boards is WOW players are a uniform mass of like thinking players.
Actually, the common perception of WoW players on these boards is. That they are a uniform mass of unthinking players.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.08.17 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
It'll be interesting to see how attention wanes now that WiS has been pushed back, again.
I think people are getting a little tired of that.
You mean there are people who actually believe WiS isn't an elaborate practical joke CCP played on people long ago and is now just kept going to see how long it can live?
It's become a matter of faith for me. I must believe even without any evidence, no matter how hopeless it seems.
Any talk of it being a collosal joke is the work of the antiWiSt.
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.08.17 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Izztyrr Maemtor
Originally by: Zartanic
The common conception I see on these boards is WOW players are a uniform mass of like thinking players.
Actually, the common perception of WoW players on these boards is. That they are a uniform mass of unthinking players.
Assuming you correcting my use of the word 'conception' I'm using it correctly, as in an abstract idea or mental symbol, opposite of misconception.
But your right about most WOW players, but even if 10% liked EVE and did not fit the WOW stereotype, that's a lot of players.
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.08.17 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
It'll be interesting to see how attention wanes now that WiS has been pushed back, again.
I think people are getting a little tired of that.
You mean there are people who actually believe WiS isn't an elaborate practical joke CCP played on people long ago and is now just kept going to see how long it can live?
It's become a matter of faith for me. I must believe even without any evidence, no matter how hopeless it seems.
Any talk of it being a collosal joke is the work of the antiWiSt.
I like the idea of WIS but I see severe limitations on its implementation, such as not being needed to play the game, so I cannot see how it brings any game play value which can justify its cost.
It wont be out for a year at best, so unless CCP suddenly comes out with it as a nice surprise its maybe best to pretend it will never happen. Anyway, I'm playing EVE as it is, anything that may come I will care about when it arrives. That's the best way with MMROPG's I think.
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SquadBroken
Helljumpers
Double Dutch Rudders
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Posted - 2009.08.17 02:24:00 -
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Probably. With posts like this it's got to be all down hill from here.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.08.17 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zartanic
I like the idea of WIS but I see severe limitations on its implementation, such as not being needed to play the game, so I cannot see how it brings any game play value which can justify its cost. It will need a total revamp of the UI too, select from menu does not work for 3D toons. Its a massive project and it must have already soaked a good chunk of budget. For something that does not add to gameplay? Not sure that's a good idea. Also I assume they are developing it from the coding done for their other MMORPG in development, so its that MMORPG (black wolf?) which will decide when it comes out.
It wont be out for a year at best, so unless CCP suddenly comes out with it as a nice surprise its maybe best to pretend it will never happen. Anyway, I'm playing EVE as it is, anything that may come I will care about when it arrives. That's the best way with MMROPG's I think.
It's not needed to play the game, but then again, we could still technically play the game if all we had were our pods. As for all the work, nothing worth doing is ever easy.
WoD is a large factor too. The hype could start as soon as next fanfest and might even begin to eclipse EVE. Which may make WiS somewhat lacklustre when it finally goes live. Like it's a demo for that or something.
A year is probably somewhat accurate, and i'm not begging them to rush it either. Whenever it's finished is good for me, but i'd prefer if it was sometime in the next year.
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Nol Agnot
Nightwatch Immortal
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Posted - 2009.08.17 03:08:00 -
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Get out get out now! 
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2009.08.17 04:15:00 -
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Remember its not all about wis and stuff, remember revelations got pushed back too. CCP makes quality products so they are going to take longer.
Wis is the larges project besides WoD they are undertaking. give them time. I mean come on they are trying to make sure its working with the best quality for 5 OS's and you know that can cause trouble.
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Kessiaan
Minmatar
DEATHFUNK
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.17 04:27:00 -
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No. EvE is always slower during the summer. If it gets to be like February and we haven't seen any new records then we might worry.
But I still think EvE really has nowhere to go but up, unless CCP royally screws the pooch. EvE is the *only* good sandbox MMO there is right now, lots of people still haven't tried it, and WiS will bring in loads of new people that would play but hate being a spaceship.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.17 04:35:00 -
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This chart is about a year out of date as the site is no longer active but I think it illustrates the point well enough.
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[03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA
[03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Potrero
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.17 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: Zartanic
WIS...
Maybe, but I gotta say I think the problem is elsewhere.
Concept: Seems like maybe the concept lacks broad appeal. Tons of new advertising out there but not tons of new people responding to check it out. If it were a matter of implementation and features we'd see a lot of people joining to investigate and then drifting away as they decided it sucked. So far I can't say I've seen any ramp up in membership in about a year.
Community: Someone once rightly described Eve as "Chat with a lot of features." If that's true then there's something about the community that doesn't draw new players in. Maybe it's the fact that the player base is older with less disposable free time. Or maybe it's the fact that Eve is peopled by unsocialized misanthropes who don't draw other players into the game and frighten away all the newbies.
Anyway, I wish CCP would figure it out. I need more people to join so they can buy all the crap I've got on the market.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.08.17 05:15:00 -
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Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 17/08/2009 05:15:51
Yes. It's all downhill from here on. Just strap yourself on to something and enjoy the fall WHEEEEEE!!!
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VonCruix
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Posted - 2009.08.17 05:34:00 -
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You're behind the times.
Eve has been dying for years.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2009.08.17 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: Potrero
Seems like it's been a while since I've seen Eve break a record for players online. In fact I don't think I've seen it hit 50,000 for a while.
Add to that the fact that I'm seeing online ads for it everywhere and I just gotta ask...
Is this it?
What are CCP's plans for growing the game beyond the current base?
For your information: this post is exactly a blueprint from August 2008.
CCP always peak around wintertime and expansiontime.
Originally by: Dianabolic
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Ganja Ree
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.08.17 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Zartanic
Originally by: Izztyrr Maemtor
Originally by: Bazuka
EVE has never been really tested but it will be soon with Jumgate Evolution, Dark Prophecy and Star Trek Online.
Those games are going to be like WoW in space. Any players that go there from here are no big loss.
Yes and no. The common conception I see on these boards is WOW players are a uniform mass of like thinking players. Well, 11 million are all not alike, far from it. There is a good proportion of WOW players that would love EVE and enjoy its complexity and brutal approach. Assuming all WOW players are the same is naive. CCP knows that too I'm sure.
The main issue with players from games like WOW is they are so used to being spoon fed they find it hard to adjust. But once they 'get' EVE many will love it.
Bolded & underlined correction. Carry on.
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Tamahra
Gallente
Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.17 07:01:00 -
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Edited by: Tamahra on 17/08/2009 07:01:32
--> Potrero
--> Gallente Federal Navy Academy
The typical pathetic noob / WoW Nerd. Just got their tutorials done and the next thing they do is calling doom upon Eve.
Stupid 09¦ers
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Yoichiro Nambu
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Posted - 2009.08.17 07:05:00 -
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well if the ccp nubs would try fix all the ****ing bugs they would be the biggest mmo in the history of mankind - even bigger then mcdonalds
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Mr Reason
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Posted - 2009.08.17 07:07:00 -
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I'll be happy when EVE gets some competitors (even though they're not on the same level they're still spaceships etc) and I hope they lose a large chunk or customers to them. Perhaps then the marketing people will then start to understand that to stay healthy they need to stay/become more niche (again).
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Tamahra
Gallente
Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.17 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reason
I'll be happy when EVE gets some competitors (even though they're not on the same level they're still spaceships etc) and I hope they lose a large chunk or customers to them. Perhaps then the marketing people will then start to understand that to stay healthy they need to stay/become more niche (again).
sorry but this didnt quite make any sense. None of it.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.17 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
it's true, EVE is dying
...so can I have your stuff, being that you won't be needing it?
EVE have been dieing since I joined. But I have yet to get any stuff from anyone, maby I never ask nice enouhg... :(
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Potrero
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.17 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
it's true, EVE is dying
...so can I have your stuff, being that you won't be needing it?
EVE have been dieing since I joined. But I have yet to get any stuff from anyone, maby I never ask nice enouhg... :(
Question wasn't: "Is Eve Dying?" Question was: "Has Eve Peaked?"
Follow on question was: "What's CCP's plan for growth?"
Legit questions. So far no answers.
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Rackoon
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Posted - 2009.08.17 07:52:00 -
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No it hasn't peaked, provided they introduce and advertise new features. It must be stressed however, that they need to fix existing game functionality before doing so. I'm sick and tired of the POS mechanics..
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Tamahra
Gallente
Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.17 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Rackoon
I'm sick and tired of the POS mechanics..
the winter expansion will make you happy then
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Izztyrr Maemtor
It's summer time in the norther hemisphere. People aren't playing any as much as they do in the winter. No, this is not it. Eve is not dieing.
Dont forget they recently had a mass purge of macro/ISK farmer accounts. I've heard it rumoured that the number of accounts involved was over 2000, and by definition, these are accounts that are on 23/7.
Besides which... what have they done really wrong in the last 6 months? Dont get me wrong, they did plenty of terribad things in 2008, but this year has been pretty good.
So yeah. Macro banning + summer effect.
There were ~46,400 online last night when I logged in.
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Cassiopeia Draco
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Posted - 2009.08.17 08:05:00 -
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As others have said, after a major expansion a number of accounts get reactivated, plus you have the influx of new blood due to advertising.
As a general rule, Eve always drops off by a significant amount during the summer months (Jul-Sep), as people go on holiday/vacation, or even just go to the virtual world called 'outside', the one with the buring ball of fire in the sky.
If CCP (or someone) could produce a graph showing the peak number of accounts by day over the last 4 years you'd see the trend.
Having said that, there are 40K+ accounts (on average) logged on most evenings, compared to a simular period last year when it was in the mid 30K's, so I dont see how eve is dieing.
Even at the peak for the winter of 2007/8 there where no more than 35K accounts (on average) logged on at anyone time.
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qanatas
Minmatar
Tribal Core
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Posted - 2009.08.17 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cassiopeia Draco
As others have said, after a major expansion a number of accounts get reactivated, plus you have the influx of new blood due to advertising.
But the winterexpansion will be focusing on sovereignty. And let's face it, that only concerns a very small percentage of the eve online community. I hope they will add some other things to the mix, or it will be a half baked 'expansion' like Quantum Rise was.
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Lord Haur
Amarr
StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.08.17 08:36:00 -
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Just because it's main focus is sov doesn't mean that there won't be other things as well.
Also redoing sov means lots of ex-players will resub and get involved in 0.0 if they do it well.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.17 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Bazuka
EVE has never been really tested but it will be soon with Jumgate Evolution, Dark Prophecy and Star Trek Online.
EVE has a good deffence in it`s favor though.
You can play it for free so many will stay subscribed while trying other games.
If some of them with 2-4 EVE accounts DO like those games and spend most of their time playing there, and don`t have enough ISK to support multi accounts for a long time they`ll have to drop an account or two.
That`s a lot of IFs though.
We`ll see.
These games do not form a threat for EVE,
STO will not be sandbox.
Jumpgate Evolution is a major dumbed down version of the original, it won't be a complex sandbox.
Dark Prophecy has some good ideas, but no financial backing and little resources ( it's from the guys from Neocron ).
Games that have my interest are :
Fallen Earth ( altho that interest is fading )
Earthrise ( one of the few last hopes for a good sci-fi sandbox )
So far there is nothing that can really put a dent in EVE Online.
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh
Active @ EvE Online
Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom
Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC |
CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.17 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Potrero
Seems like it's been a while since I've seen Eve break a record for players online. In fact I don't think I've seen it hit 50,000 for a while.
Add to that the fact that I'm seeing online ads for it everywhere and I just gotta ask...
Is this it?
What are CCP's plans for growing the game beyond the current base?
That is, like others have said, pretty normal, during low season and no recent expansion released.
There are some things that should be done tho :
The sound engine has to be fixed so we can hear these nice explosions and stuff :)
WIS has to get released.
The download and install bugs have to get fixed.
These 3 points will attract many new targets, err players :p
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh
Active @ EvE Online
Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom
Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC |
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Posted - 2009.08.17 09:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kratznotzt on 17/08/2009 09:23:19
Originally by: Bazuka
Jumpgate Evolution is a major dumbed down version of the original, it won't be a complex sandbox.
Jumpgate may steal a lot of carebears from EvE, but only if the economy really holds. No gate camping in that one, which may appeal to a lot of people. The pro, and con, of that game is that you don't lose your equipment (and it can't be looted) when you get killed. This is great for the normal mission runner, doesn't have to be a catastrophe for the pvp:er (if done well) but a game killer for the pirates. It can also make living by manufacturing things as bad as in WoW, i.e. you make more income by just selling the materials than actually making something from them.
Anyway, the people making jumpgate have definitely read the Eveforums and planned it to target unhappy eve-players. It might be a threat, but only if the economy works as well as it does in Eve.
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fuze
Gallente
Chosen Path
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.08.17 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Remember its not all about wis and stuff, remember revelations got pushed back too. CCP makes quality products so they are going to take longer.
Are you serious?
Parts are really nice like the graphics and the sandbox approach. But the client has been a bug ridden nuisance since beta.
On the whole it has been made easier to new players to get into it but on the other hand the lore was trimmed down to an absolute minimum and SOV turned 0.0 into one big giant napfest of moongold suckers.
Winter patch and WiS can be welcome additions to the game but they won't double the amount of members and Eve will remain to put off millions of potential players. Who knows WoD will have more members online after just one year.
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Signore Kaeota
Caldari
Caelum Incognitum
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:03:00 -
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: qanatas
Originally by: Cassiopeia Draco
As others have said, after a major expansion a number of accounts get reactivated, plus you have the influx of new blood due to advertising.
But the winterexpansion will be focusing on sovereignty. And let's face it, that only concerns a very small percentage of the eve online community. I hope they will add some other things to the mix, or it will be a half baked 'expansion' like Quantum Rise was.
Of the active players (on at a time), quite a lot of them are in 0.0, and new sov might make it so that more go to 0.0.
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: CyberGh0st
The sound engine has to be fixed so we can hear these nice explosions and stuff :)
I'd highlight this!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Bazuka
EVE has never been really tested but it will be soon with Jumgate Evolution, Dark Prophecy and Star Trek Online.
EVE has a good deffence in it`s favor though.
You can play it for free so many will stay subscribed while trying other games.
If some of them with 2-4 EVE accounts DO like those games and spend most of their time playing there, and don`t have enough ISK to support multi accounts for a long time they`ll have to drop an account or two.
That`s a lot of IFs though.
We`ll see.
Maybe ST:O will be the motivation for CCP to finally making missioning and ratting fun, challenging and exciting.
But honestly, I wouldn't hold out too much hope for ST:O
Calling it now: lifetime subs will be available either at launch or within 3 months of launch.
JG:E is different enough from EvE that it's an "as well as" not an "instead of", although you are probably right to say that some EvE multi-accounters might drop an account for it. Assuming it ever actually launches, of course. And that it's any good when it does. Those are 2 pretty big assumptions.
The Black Prophecy thing - isn't that just one guy doing everything? Sadly, I just dont see it ever actually happening.
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Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: fuze
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Remember its not all about wis and stuff, remember revelations got pushed back too. CCP makes quality products so they are going to take longer.
Are you serious?
Parts are really nice like the graphics and the sandbox approach. But the client has been a bug ridden nuisance since beta.
On the whole it has been made easier to new players to get into it but on the other hand the lore was trimmed down to an absolute minimum and SOV turned 0.0 into one big giant napfest of moongold suckers.
Winter patch and WiS can be welcome additions to the game but they won't double the amount of members and Eve will remain to put off millions of potential players. Who knows WoD will have more members online after just one year.
CCP said that they expect WoD to have 2-3x as many subs as EvE. Take that for what it's worth. It's pretty obvious that it's going to be more about social skills than L33t gUnZ
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Lone Star Academy
Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:34:00 -
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who cares if eve has peaked? I mean really care, no one says a game can't peak twice.
And I'm not really sure it would be terrible for the game to lose 25% of the players.
Originally by: Redloc
I want to gank hulks in high sec! I have a dedicated miner account so I have the funds to throw away.
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Amarr
Armored Core Inc.
The Council.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: Azirapheal on 17/08/2009 11:53:00
ive just brought a few friends away from the digital crack of WOW into the digital ****** of eve.
was very very amusing tracking them down and destroying their ships/pods :D
but they seem to enjoy it and thus they will continue to play the game... ive even willingly sent them into gatecamps to get them used to the idea of losing their **** every now and again
edit : giving all npc's sleeper AI would be a nice start.... lvl 4 missions would become siiiick
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Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.17 11:49:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Potrero
Seems like it's been a while since I've seen Eve break a record for players online. In fact I don't think I've seen it hit 50,000 for a while.
Add to that the fact that I'm seeing online ads for it everywhere and I just gotta ask...
Is this it?
What are CCP's plans for growing the game beyond the current base?
it;s the middle of summer in most of EVEs biggest markets, people are outside enjoying the sun or if you live in the UK dodging the showers....
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Galactic Express
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.08.17 12:16:00 -
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It's hard to say whether it has peaked. Depends on to many variables.
The first major problem is the economic recession in many of the industrialized nations. If it continues then yes EVE could have hit its peak, but that is something that CCP cannot control.
Competition from newer MMOs is certain to come. However anyone that has a year or more into an MMO is usually reluctant to leave their progress behind. Barring some idiocy as SOE had when the NGE came out for SWG it is unlikely any significant portion of the 1 year old or older players would be pulled away permanently to any other game, carebear or otherwise.
The problem though is in recruiting newer players. The more competition out there the more options and the newer players may not give the game as much a chance.
While on the surface WiS may seem to offer little to gameplay, you'd be surprised, it would be enough to probably hook many of the borderline cases that might be inclined to try out some new game. It adds a social aspect to the game that is mostly lacking now and would probably attract RPers in particular boosting CVA and Electus Matari and similar alliances. Without it, it will become increasingly difficult to attract new players and retain them with the many options coming out. It should have been a priority for CCP but clearly has not been. That could cost them down the road.
One thing to keep in mind though is that Star Trek Online may not do well. Whenever you take a genre that is well known and well established you bring with it the expectations of those fans. Many times those expectations cannot be met. EVE's success is largely that they control and made a unique IP that is not bound by anything they did not produce. Jumpgate Evolution could suffer the same problems of not meeting expectations of current fans. Those are always dangers when using an existing IP.
If Champions Online was like the pen and paper champions and not as it is. They basically took the champions universe and made a new game system for it but if it was the pen and paper version on computer then I'd be there :), I do follow its progress but so far I am kinda disappointed....since it is also the same company making Star Trek Online I'm a bit leery of that too.
I think the largest factor right now is the economy which is beyond CCPs control.
I do believe it is in their best interest though to have a WiS expansion up and running in 6 months time to ensure competitiveness with newer MMOs coming out. EVE's players have great longevity compared to many MMOs but even still we need fresh folks coming in or eventually EVE will die.
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.17 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
But honestly, I wouldn't hold out too much hope for ST:O
Calling it now: lifetime subs will be available either at launch or within 3 months of launch.
They have lifetime subs already as it gives people access to the beta...
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Malcanis
But honestly, I wouldn't hold out too much hope for ST:O
Calling it now: lifetime subs will be available either at launch or within 3 months of launch.
They have lifetime subs already as it gives people access to the beta...
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 12:50:00 -
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If CCP really do fix 0.0 sovereignty/POS warfare then I think there are a large number of bitter veterans who will risk taking a look.
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Tian Jade
Amarr
Panta-Rhei
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Posted - 2009.08.17 13:11:00 -
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EVE is not dieing, but the I think the last few expansions as well as the upcoming ones are underwhelming.
New Server Fixes, so that Mass Battles are (almost) Lag Free? Ask me if I care. The Day I will return to that part of EVE, is the Day Hell freezes over.
Factional Warfare? Yeah Right, whatever
Wormhole Space? Interesting idea but not well executed.
T3? Oh my God, it's full of Fail!
Epic Storyarcs? CCP will certainly make the same mistakes ever and ever again.
Sovereignity Fix? I will believe it when I see it and until that Day I will reserve my right to be very cynical about it.
COSMOS? EVE Facebook, oh yes great idea and so... (absolutely on Top of the List of Content I will certainly never use)
WiS? It will be great, just like Duke Nukem Forever!
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The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.17 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tian Jade
EVE is not dieing, but the I think the last few expansions as well as the upcoming ones are underwhelming.
New Server Fixes, so that Mass Battles are (almost) Lag Free? Ask me if I care. The Day I will return to that part of EVE, is the Day Hell freezes over.
Factional Warfare? Yeah Right, whatever
Wormhole Space? Interesting idea but not well executed.
T3? Oh my God, it's full of Fail!
Epic Storyarcs? CCP will certainly make the same mistakes ever and ever again.
Sovereignity Fix? I will believe it when I see it and until that Day I will reserve my right to be very cynical about it.
COSMOS? EVE Facebook, oh yes great idea and so... (absolutely on Top of the List of Content I will certainly never use)
WiS? It will be great, just like Duke Nukem Forever!
Someone is really bitter
I just want them to fix tov and give us a new UI and keep killing bugs and lag. Screw WiS, don't see why people make such a big deal if we're not gonna see it this or next year.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 14:22:00 -
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The Op has a valid point here though. As long as we can't avoid the cosmic radiation from our screens, devs and players alike will be slowly killed off. EVE can't grow like it should.
So please CCP, find a way to shield ourselves from the radiation or EVE will definately die within the next couple of weeks.
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Minmatar
Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.17 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: CyberGh0st on 17/08/2009 22:46:05
Wow, check this out :
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=687
If you look at that, operation Unholy Rage is responsible for around 3000 PCU less all by itself, add to that low season and no recent expansion, and you can only conclude that :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xos2MnVxe-c
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Quantar Raalsken
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.17 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Eve always has its peaks around winter/early spring. During Summer/Early autumn when the weather and scenery is nice, people tend to go do things not requiring a computer during the day, so peak concurrent users drops for a while. This has been the norm for the last 6-7 years
wait, but the same can be said for babies born.....O ****
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Posted - 2009.08.18 00:24:00 -
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Growth is overrated.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 00:42:00 -
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Granted I havent been around long but it continues to grow year over year. I see no reason for that to stop in the near future. The steam sale brought me in and I am sure many others who may have been fence sitting. And with what appears to be an older demographic I think summer is a bad time for us all. And if it has peaked it should retain a good amount of subs over time anyways.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ganja Ree
Originally by: Zartanic
Originally by: Izztyrr Maemtor
Originally by: Bazuka
EVE has never been really tested but it will be soon with Jumgate Evolution, Dark Prophecy and Star Trek Online.
Those games are going to be like WoW in space. Any players that go there from here are no big loss.
Yes and no. The common conception I see on these boards is WOW players are a uniform mass of like thinking players. Well, 11 million are all not alike, far from it. There is a good proportion of WOW players that would love EVE and enjoy its complexity and brutal approach. Assuming all WOW players are the same is naive. CCP knows that too I'm sure.
The main issue with players from games like WOW is they are so used to being spoon fed they find it hard to adjust. But once they 'get' EVE many will love it.
Bolded & underlined correction. Carry on.
They lost all the Chinese players, around 6 million, over a licensing dispute. Not that they earned much from them anyway. So its about 5 million now last I bothered to look.
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Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.18 02:45:00 -
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Despite the "China" issue, it¦s funny to see that these discussions are the same since I left... 5 years ago, when the online record was around 7k
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Posted - 2009.08.18 02:58:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 18/08/2009 03:01:34
Originally by: StealthNet
Despite the "China" issue, it¦s funny to see that these discussions are the same since I left... 5 years ago, when the online record was around 7k
There's doomesayers in every game
I actually think WOW will collapse soon, well as far as loosing a few million players goes. They effectively did an NGE for the more hardcore player. I think EVE needs to do some more to have a chance to grab and keep those players.
I think EVE has an issue with retention of trial players. Its obvious why. New players are steered to mission running, boring and unfulfilling after a while. Interesting areas like exploration and WH's are not even mentioned. PVP seems impossible to get into, people spout crap on these forums about not ever being able to catch up in training, crap UI, badly thought out UI elements (return probe button in scanner next to scan button..who the hell thought that was a good idea?) crap sound, spammers, bots, bugs, tiny fonts, no customisation, confusing map, too much information in the wrong place, useless key binding options...this game does its best to put off new players.
It takes far too long for some new players to grasp what the game is about and get hooked. And even when their hooked they are still fighting the code all the time. My hand is aching right now with all the stupid clicking I have to do. And then they expect me to mission in low sec and spam the scan button every 5 seconds? No thanks.
Someone with a lot of common sense needs to rip through the whole thing and do a rethink.
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Miyazaki Zaibatsu
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.08.18 03:09:00 -
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Didn't read the whole thread so forgive me if I have repeated anyone.
EVE will never 'die'. There are thousands of players like me who have been around for years that will continue to play because of what EVE is.
What COULD kill EVE is if they try and turn it into every other space MMO that has come and gone.
Note to CCP. There's a reason those MMOs have come and GONE.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.18 07:26:00 -
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Edited by: CyberGh0st on 18/08/2009 07:28:44
Originally by: Zartanic
They lost all the Chinese players, around 6 million, over a licensing dispute. Not that they earned much from them anyway. So its about 5 million now last I bothered to look.
The Chinese WoW servers are back up, and Blizzard will get more of the cake now.
Latest official number of active subscribers is 11,6 million, WoW is slowly stagnating, but it will take a good while before it will start losing subs.
You can check my site for info on subs :
http://www.mmodata.net
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Minmatar
Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.18 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: CyberGh0st
Edited by: CyberGh0st on 17/08/2009 22:46:05
Wow, check this out :
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=687
If you look at that, operation Unholy Rage is responsible for around 3000 PCU less all by itself, add to that low season and no recent expansion, and you can only conclude that :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xos2MnVxe-c
And then CCP aims at EVE Online, and HEADSHOT!
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1151387
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Active @ EvE Online
Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom
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Mystical Dawn
Minmatar
Nomadic Angels
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Posted - 2009.08.18 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Potrero
Seems like it's been a while since I've seen Eve break a record for players online. In fact I don't think I've seen it hit 50,000 for a while.
Add to that the fact that I'm seeing online ads for it everywhere and I just gotta ask...
Is this it?
What are CCP's plans for growing the game beyond the current base?
They banned 6 000 macro accounts little over month ago..
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Posted - 2009.08.18 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 18/08/2009 23:01:16
Originally by: CyberGh0st
Edited by: CyberGh0st on 18/08/2009 07:28:44
Originally by: Zartanic
They lost all the Chinese players, around 6 million, over a licensing dispute. Not that they earned much from them anyway. So its about 5 million now last I bothered to look.
The Chinese WoW servers are back up, and Blizzard will get more of the cake now.
Latest official number of active subscribers is 11,6 million, WoW is slowly stagnating, but it will take a good while before it will start losing subs.
You can check my site for info on subs :
http://www.mmodata.net
Oops I was out of date. Thanks for the update.
I don't know if WOW will ever lose net subscribers but it has and will continue to lose a certain type of player who may be attracted to EVE (like me and several others Im hoping may join)
I'm sort of hoping all the greedy, stupid, lazy, 'casual entitled', loot whoring, pixel collecting and down right crap players will stick to WOW and stay there. Then EVE will not be polluted with having them around screwing my game experience up with non stop moans about 'I have a life, don't make content for the 5%, your all elitist, where are my free epics'
Anyway I reckon EVE will keep going strong but it wont be enough to keep investors happy and organic growth does not really attract new investors. So that's why Dust514 has to happen.
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Potrero
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.19 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Potrero
What are CCP's plans for growing the game beyond the current base?
Well, I am answered.
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Bluddwolf
Khanid Guard
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Posted - 2009.08.19 04:52:00 -
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I have been playing EVE since early 2005, and in these past 4+ years the "Death of EVE" has been written on the wall at least 5 times.
The question, "Has EVE reached its peak?" is just another way to imply that its demise is written on the wall.
EVE will remain alive and well so long that it does not change its game play in any dramatic way. EVE will continue with its steady player base because it has appeal for a more discriminating player base.
EVE's player base is more mature and patient than most other MMOs out there. Your typical WOW player would never stand for real time skill increases, or a true death penalty. This is what keeps that type of player away from EVE, and EVE is better for that.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Potrero
Originally by: Potrero
What are CCP's plans for growing the game beyond the current base?
Well, I am answered.
/thread.
More like replacing the current base with console newbs.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Bluddwolf
I have been playing EVE since early 2005, and in these past 4+ years the "Death of EVE" has been written on the wall at least 5 times.
The question, "Has EVE reached its peak?" is just another way to imply that its demise is written on the wall.
EVE will remain alive and well so long that it does not change its game play in any dramatic way. EVE will continue with its steady player base because it has appeal for a more discriminating player base.
EVE's player base is more mature and patient than most other MMOs out there. Your typical WOW player would never stand for real time skill increases, or a true death penalty. This is what keeps that type of player away from EVE, and EVE is better for that.
I have played many mmo's, and I have seen many mmo's destroyed, because the devs thought they could get a few more subs at cost of the veterans, or even when trying to please the vets, by drastically changing the game ( SWG CU-NGE and DAoC TOA-NF to name the most important ones ). It never works.
DUST514 will hit EVE hard if CCP stays on the same track, mark my words.
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Active @ EvE Online
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Potrero
Seems like it's been a while since I've seen Eve break a record for players online. In fact I don't think I've seen it hit 50,000 for a while.
Add to that the fact that I'm seeing online ads for it everywhere and I just gotta ask...
Is this it?
What are CCP's plans for growing the game beyond the current base?
I don't think you realize how online advertising works. YOU are seeing a lot more eve related ads, because your browsing history points you towards that direction. My wife, who doesn't even go near any sci-fi/gaming sites, can browse to the same site you are seeing eve online ads, and see something completely different. The only recent increase in real advertising I've noticed is a few tv spots, where they are playing some of their previous trailers.. if anything, just to get some vision of what the world of eve is about. Partly, to let a larger audience know about eve's existence, prior to releasing the Eve IP to that larger audience (potential DUST-514 players).
Also realize that if DUST has even dismal sales numbers by console standards, you may very well see times where the concurrent marines online exceeds the pod pilots...
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