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Ulviirala Vauryndar Gallente Vauryndar	Posted - 2009.08.17 14:22:00 - [61] The Op has a valid point here though. As long as we can't avoid the cosmic radiation from our screens, devs and players alike will be slowly killed off. EVE can't grow like it should. So please CCP, find a way to shield ourselves from the radiation or EVE will definately die within the next couple of weeks. Unfortunately, your signature is not 22239 bytes, it exceeds the 24000 byte limit allowed on the forums. -Darth Patches I fail, regards to Cortes - Ulvi
CyberGh0st Minmatar Ara Veritas	Posted - 2009.08.17 22:35:00 - [62] Edited by: CyberGh0st on 17/08/2009 22:46:05 Wow, check this out : http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=687 If you look at that, operation Unholy Rage is responsible for around 3000 PCU less all by itself, add to that low season and no recent expansion, and you can only conclude that : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xos2MnVxe-c Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC
Quantar Raalsken Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.17 23:36:00 - [63] Originally by: Blane Xero Eve always has its peaks around winter/early spring. During Summer/Early autumn when the weather and scenery is nice, people tend to go do things not requiring a computer during the day, so peak concurrent users drops for a while. This has been the norm for the last 6-7 years wait, but the same can be said for babies born.....O **** =======
Nyveg Hyperborea Re	Posted - 2009.08.18 00:24:00 - [64] Growth is overrated.
Joxiah	Posted - 2009.08.18 00:42:00 - [65] Granted I havent been around long but it continues to grow year over year. I see no reason for that to stop in the near future. The steam sale brought me in and I am sure many others who may have been fence sitting. And with what appears to be an older demographic I think summer is a bad time for us all. And if it has peaked it should retain a good amount of subs over time anyways.
Zartanic	Posted - 2009.08.18 02:39:00 - [66] Originally by: Ganja Ree Originally by: Zartanic Originally by: Izztyrr Maemtor Originally by: Bazuka EVE has never been really tested but it will be soon with Jumgate Evolution, Dark Prophecy and Star Trek Online. Those games are going to be like WoW in space. Any players that go there from here are no big loss. Yes and no. The common conception I see on these boards is WOW players are a uniform mass of like thinking players. Well, 11 million are all not alike, far from it. There is a good proportion of WOW players that would love EVE and enjoy its complexity and brutal approach. Assuming all WOW players are the same is naive. CCP knows that too I'm sure. The main issue with players from games like WOW is they are so used to being spoon fed they find it hard to adjust. But once they 'get' EVE many will love it. Bolded & underlined correction. Carry on. They lost all the Chinese players, around 6 million, over a licensing dispute. Not that they earned much from them anyway. So its about 5 million now last I bothered to look.
StealthNet Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.18 02:45:00 - [67] Despite the "China" issue, it¦s funny to see that these discussions are the same since I left... 5 years ago, when the online record was around 7k StealthNet _______________________________________________
Zartanic	Posted - 2009.08.18 02:58:00 - [68] Edited by: Zartanic on 18/08/2009 03:01:34 Originally by: StealthNet Despite the "China" issue, it¦s funny to see that these discussions are the same since I left... 5 years ago, when the online record was around 7k There's doomesayers in every game I actually think WOW will collapse soon, well as far as loosing a few million players goes. They effectively did an NGE for the more hardcore player. I think EVE needs to do some more to have a chance to grab and keep those players. I think EVE has an issue with retention of trial players. Its obvious why. New players are steered to mission running, boring and unfulfilling after a while. Interesting areas like exploration and WH's are not even mentioned. PVP seems impossible to get into, people spout crap on these forums about not ever being able to catch up in training, crap UI, badly thought out UI elements (return probe button in scanner next to scan button..who the hell thought that was a good idea?) crap sound, spammers, bots, bugs, tiny fonts, no customisation, confusing map, too much information in the wrong place, useless key binding options...this game does its best to put off new players. It takes far too long for some new players to grasp what the game is about and get hooked. And even when their hooked they are still fighting the code all the time. My hand is aching right now with all the stupid clicking I have to do. And then they expect me to mission in low sec and spam the scan button every 5 seconds? No thanks. Someone with a lot of common sense needs to rip through the whole thing and do a rethink.
Usagi Tsukino Miyazaki Zaibatsu APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2009.08.18 03:09:00 - [69] Didn't read the whole thread so forgive me if I have repeated anyone. EVE will never 'die'. There are thousands of players like me who have been around for years that will continue to play because of what EVE is. What COULD kill EVE is if they try and turn it into every other space MMO that has come and gone. Note to CCP. There's a reason those MMOs have come and GONE. --- Usagi Tsukino // Miyazaki Zaibatsu
CyberGh0st Minmatar Ara Veritas	Posted - 2009.08.18 07:26:00 - [70] Edited by: CyberGh0st on 18/08/2009 07:28:44 Originally by: Zartanic They lost all the Chinese players, around 6 million, over a licensing dispute. Not that they earned much from them anyway. So its about 5 million now last I bothered to look. The Chinese WoW servers are back up, and Blizzard will get more of the cake now. Latest official number of active subscribers is 11,6 million, WoW is slowly stagnating, but it will take a good while before it will start losing subs. You can check my site for info on subs : http://www.mmodata.net Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC

CyberGh0st Minmatar Ara Veritas	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:47:00 - [71] Originally by: CyberGh0st Edited by: CyberGh0st on 17/08/2009 22:46:05 Wow, check this out : http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=687 If you look at that, operation Unholy Rage is responsible for around 3000 PCU less all by itself, add to that low season and no recent expansion, and you can only conclude that : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xos2MnVxe-c And then CCP aims at EVE Online, and HEADSHOT! http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1151387 Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC
Mystical Dawn Minmatar Nomadic Angels	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:54:00 - [72] Originally by: Potrero Seems like it's been a while since I've seen Eve break a record for players online. In fact I don't think I've seen it hit 50,000 for a while. Add to that the fact that I'm seeing online ads for it everywhere and I just gotta ask... Is this it? What are CCP's plans for growing the game beyond the current base? They banned 6 000 macro accounts little over month ago..
Zartanic	Posted - 2009.08.18 23:00:00 - [73] Edited by: Zartanic on 18/08/2009 23:01:16 Originally by: CyberGh0st Edited by: CyberGh0st on 18/08/2009 07:28:44 Originally by: Zartanic They lost all the Chinese players, around 6 million, over a licensing dispute. Not that they earned much from them anyway. So its about 5 million now last I bothered to look. The Chinese WoW servers are back up, and Blizzard will get more of the cake now. Latest official number of active subscribers is 11,6 million, WoW is slowly stagnating, but it will take a good while before it will start losing subs. You can check my site for info on subs : http://www.mmodata.net Oops I was out of date. Thanks for the update. I don't know if WOW will ever lose net subscribers but it has and will continue to lose a certain type of player who may be attracted to EVE (like me and several others Im hoping may join) I'm sort of hoping all the greedy, stupid, lazy, 'casual entitled', loot whoring, pixel collecting and down right crap players will stick to WOW and stay there. Then EVE will not be polluted with having them around screwing my game experience up with non stop moans about 'I have a life, don't make content for the 5%, your all elitist, where are my free epics' Anyway I reckon EVE will keep going strong but it wont be enough to keep investors happy and organic growth does not really attract new investors. So that's why Dust514 has to happen.
Potrero Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:41:00 - [74] Originally by: Potrero What are CCP's plans for growing the game beyond the current base? Well, I am answered. /thread.
Bluddwolf Khanid Guard	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:52:00 - [75] I have been playing EVE since early 2005, and in these past 4+ years the "Death of EVE" has been written on the wall at least 5 times. The question, "Has EVE reached its peak?" is just another way to imply that its demise is written on the wall. EVE will remain alive and well so long that it does not change its game play in any dramatic way. EVE will continue with its steady player base because it has appeal for a more discriminating player base. EVE's player base is more mature and patient than most other MMOs out there. Your typical WOW player would never stand for real time skill increases, or a true death penalty. This is what keeps that type of player away from EVE, and EVE is better for that.
CyberGh0st Minmatar Ara Veritas	Posted - 2009.08.19 09:20:00 - [76] Originally by: Potrero Originally by: Potrero What are CCP's plans for growing the game beyond the current base? Well, I am answered. /thread. More like replacing the current base with console newbs. Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC
CyberGh0st Minmatar Ara Veritas	Posted - 2009.08.19 09:27:00 - [77] Originally by: Bluddwolf I have been playing EVE since early 2005, and in these past 4+ years the "Death of EVE" has been written on the wall at least 5 times. The question, "Has EVE reached its peak?" is just another way to imply that its demise is written on the wall. EVE will remain alive and well so long that it does not change its game play in any dramatic way. EVE will continue with its steady player base because it has appeal for a more discriminating player base. EVE's player base is more mature and patient than most other MMOs out there. Your typical WOW player would never stand for real time skill increases, or a true death penalty. This is what keeps that type of player away from EVE, and EVE is better for that. I have played many mmo's, and I have seen many mmo's destroyed, because the devs thought they could get a few more subs at cost of the veterans, or even when trying to please the vets, by drastically changing the game ( SWG CU-NGE and DAoC TOA-NF to name the most important ones ). It never works. DUST514 will hit EVE hard if CCP stays on the same track, mark my words. Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC
Kyra Neve	Posted - 2009.08.19 09:48:00 - [78] Edited by: Kyra Neve on 19/08/2009 09:47:53 ...
Clansworth	Posted - 2009.08.19 10:41:00 - [79] Originally by: Potrero Seems like it's been a while since I've seen Eve break a record for players online. In fact I don't think I've seen it hit 50,000 for a while. Add to that the fact that I'm seeing online ads for it everywhere and I just gotta ask... Is this it? What are CCP's plans for growing the game beyond the current base? I don't think you realize how online advertising works. YOU are seeing a lot more eve related ads, because your browsing history points you towards that direction. My wife, who doesn't even go near any sci-fi/gaming sites, can browse to the same site you are seeing eve online ads, and see something completely different. The only recent increase in real advertising I've noticed is a few tv spots, where they are playing some of their previous trailers.. if anything, just to get some vision of what the world of eve is about. Partly, to let a larger audience know about eve's existence, prior to releasing the Eve IP to that larger audience (potential DUST-514 players). Also realize that if DUST has even dismal sales numbers by console standards, you may very well see times where the concurrent marines online exceeds the pod pilots... Intel/Nomad


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