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Lothros Andastar Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.18 15:58:00 - [1] Nuff said. Why should people who already pay to play this game have to buy a console and pay even more to keep sovereignty?
Fossil Wolf omen. Gay4Life	Posted - 2009.08.18 15:59:00 - [2] fo
Bodhidauruma	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:01:00 - [3] Originally by: Lothros Andastar Nuff said. Why should people who already pay to play this game have to buy a console and pay even more to keep sovereignty? Because we are addicts who cant help ourselves? I think the most likely senerio is that if you subscribe to EVE you will be able to fight on planets from within the EVE PC client.
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:01:00 - [4] No. Stop spamming. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Novus Auctorita	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:02:00 - [5] Originally by: Fossil Wolf fo fofofofofofo I'm pretty sure ccp will make using soldiers mostly voluntery. The fleet supplying entertainment for soldiers, not the soldiers becoming the backbone of eve.
Alexeph Stoekai Stoekai Corp	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:09:00 - [6] Q: Why would CCP introduce something that would invalidate the efforts of players in EVE Online? A: They wouldn't. Thus: DUST 514 will not be the only way to claim sov. -----
Kayne Tor Completely Legitimate Establishment	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:11:00 - [7] Given every time anything happens anywhere ever it suddenly ruins EVE completely and forever, I think we'll live with having the game ruined a fifth time this morning.
Robert Hudson Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai DUST 514 will not be the only way to claim sov. I'm not convinced. Let's throw a grenade at it and see what happens.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:15:00 - [9] I think there is a misunderstanding going on (as usual): DUST514 is not directly aimed at providing existing players with new gameplay but to attract a new crowd of players to EVE that enjoy a different kind of gaming. And no, this does not mean that CCP have started neglecting their current playerbase as DUST514 has been developed by a part of the company which only purpose in life has been that development. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Robert Hudson Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Jowen Datloran I think there is a misunderstanding going on (as usual): DUST514 is not directly aimed at providing existing players with new gameplay but to attract a new crowd of players to EVE that enjoy a different kind of gaming. And no, this does not mean that CCP have started neglecting their current playerbase as DUST514 has been developed by a part of the company which only purpose in life has been that development. So what you're saying is that 514 is destined to draw a new crowd who have never played EVE and don't give a crap about what's going on in space because they just want to pull the trigger and watch things go boom? Well, I can see now how this will improve the game substantially.

Nuala Reece Caldari Pilots of Damnation death from above..	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:18:00 - [11] Originally by: Lothros Andastar Nuff said. Why should people who already pay to play this game have to buy a console and pay even more to keep sovereignty? You know you don't have to aye? On a personal level you, as an individual, can choose not to play because other people will be playing. Your alliance may have to pay isk to hire those console players to fight on planets they want to control, but since the ins and outs haven't been released yet I think your sky falling prediction is a) premature and b) uninformed.
Gone'Postal Void Engineers Mass - Effect	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Robert Hudson Originally by: Jowen Datloran I think there is a misunderstanding going on (as usual): DUST514 is not directly aimed at providing existing players with new gameplay but to attract a new crowd of players to EVE that enjoy a different kind of gaming. And no, this does not mean that CCP have started neglecting their current playerbase as DUST514 has been developed by a part of the company which only purpose in life has been that development. So what you're saying is that 514 is destined to draw a new crowd who have never played EVE and don't give a crap about what's going on in space because they just want to pull the trigger and watch things go boom? Well, I can see now how this will improve the game substantially. Don't forget the new crowd of people have to be asleep <6PM and can't to alarm clock ops. there mommys and daddys won't allow it Originally by: masternerdguy Officer mods arent spread out because the bpos are innacesible to 99% of eve.
Bodhidauruma	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai Q: Why would CCP introduce something that would invalidate the efforts of players in EVE Online? A: They wouldn't. Thus: DUST 514 will not be the only way to claim sov. "Currently, player alliance sovereignty (regional control) is tied to maintaining numerous player-owned structures across different solar systems to establish a territory as belonging to that alliance, and as shown on the game's star map. Since DUST 514 is set in the same galaxy as the core MMO, with the same planets, EVE players will have the option of contracting DUST (player) mercenaries to gain control of planets. Hilmar said, "DUST battlefields will dictate who control specific planets inside the EVE MMO. If a player contracts a DUST mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet. Then ultimately he will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region." He explained more about the interplay between EVE Online and DUST 514. Hilmar said, "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying."
Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:23:00 - [14] Obvious troll is obvious read my post in page 14 of the main thread. -------------------------- WTB a sig, or moderation of my sig by all the hot CCP girls.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:24:00 - [15] Originally by: Robert Hudson Originally by: Jowen Datloran I think there is a misunderstanding going on (as usual): DUST514 is not directly aimed at providing existing players with new gameplay but to attract a new crowd of players to EVE that enjoy a different kind of gaming. And no, this does not mean that CCP have started neglecting their current playerbase as DUST514 has been developed by a part of the company which only purpose in life has been that development. So what you're saying is that 514 is destined to draw a new crowd who have never played EVE and don't give a crap about what's going on in space because they just want to pull the trigger and watch things go boom? Well, I can see now how this will improve the game substantially. Odd, EVE has always been full of people who like things to go boom, what is the difference here? And what is wrong with new players? You don't want anybody new to participate in a world you enjoy? ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Robert Hudson Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:25:00 - [16] As far as I can tell, the fleet still does the dying, we just don't do it face-down in the dirt standing next to a few dozen other people who have no clue what EVE is and think that 514 is their vault number.
Nito Musashi	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:25:00 - [17] xbots love fps games, ps3bots like fps games, your average eve player probably has played an fps game and likes them. if ccp shanghai makes a good or better be great fps game if they want to charge a subscription fee to play then more power to them. i am sure the console people will get that they are part of a online game called eve online, that many of their missions come from that game, that maybe some of us players are actually transporting these people around, and perhaps they will get curious and wonder what us pod players do in the stars while they are bleeding in the trenches and give eve o a look. either way more iskies for ccp, and none if us have to buy the dust, or get addicted to it or pay a sub to play it, and who knows with the grin they gave when asked about it maybe one of these days us eve players get it for free after they wring some cash out of the console crowd.
Gone'Postal Void Engineers Mass - Effect	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:28:00 - [18] Originally by: Bodhidauruma Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai Q: Why would CCP introduce something that would invalidate the efforts of players in EVE Online? A: They wouldn't. Thus: DUST 514 will not be the only way to claim sov. "Currently, player alliance sovereignty (regional control) is tied to maintaining numerous player-owned structures across different solar systems to establish a territory as belonging to that alliance, and as shown on the game's star map. Since DUST 514 is set in the same galaxy as the core MMO, with the same planets, EVE players will have the option of contracting DUST (player) mercenaries to gain control of planets. Hilmar said, "DUST battlefields will dictate who control specific planets inside the EVE MMO. If a player contracts a DUST mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet. Then ultimately he will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region." He explained more about the interplay between EVE Online and DUST 514. Hilmar said, "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying." Well if DUST is limited to PS3 and 360, I HOPE that it can be changed to work on the next gen consoles as well (read: Faster then they support EVE) or dust will die and there can be no Sov changes. Originally by: masternerdguy Officer mods arent spread out because the bpos are innacesible to 99% of eve.
Zartanic	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:35:00 - [19] Edited by: Zartanic on 18/08/2009 16:36:07 Assuming this intergrates fully with EVE it will be a major boost to the game. In theory EVE could expand to be a whole universe covering every aspect of gameplay, unlike most games where they are stuck to a small area. EVE has to move to this one day, they have no choice as games evolve and they must not be left behind. I have never really seen EVE as a pure space game, to me its a whole of life game and it would be the first to attempt that. Also I do trust CCP unlike other devs, they love the game and would never do anything to ruin it. Maybe we should wait until more details are released.
Robert Hudson Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:41:00 - [20] Originally by: Zartanic Edited by: Zartanic on 18/08/2009 16:36:07 Assuming this intergrates fully with EVE it will be a major boost to the game. In theory EVE could expand to be a whole universe covering every aspect of gameplay, unlike most games where they are stuck to a small area. EVE has to move to this one day, they have no choice as games evolve and they must not be left behind. I have never really seen EVE as a pure space game, to me its a whole of life game and it would be the first to attempt that. Also I do trust CCP unlike other devs, they love the game and would never do anything to ruin it. Maybe we should wait until more details are released. We don't need more details than "FPS", "console" and "integrated with EVE". It simply seems ridiculous to me that of all the ways they could think to improve EVE and expand the general environmental offering of this game, they decided that people popping caps at each other on a 360 was the best way to go about doing that. That is all.

Gautan Virdamot Nebula Rasa Vanguard	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:43:00 - [21] Can you bombard the FPS people from orbit? Did anyone fraps it?
Zackalwe Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:46:00 - [22] Originally by: Jowen Datloran I think there is a misunderstanding going on (as usual): DUST514 is not directly aimed at providing existing players with new gameplay but to attract a new crowd of players to EVE that enjoy a different kind of gaming. And no, this does not mean that CCP have started neglecting their current playerbase as DUST514 has been developed by a part of the company which only purpose in life has been that development. Thats the problem. Why do they think Eve players wont enjoy a good FPS? If this Dust thing was part of Eve it would be fantastic. Thats what a lot of people were hoping WIS would eventually turn into, it would be the perfect all-in-one space game. Instead... console? Are you kidding me? Also CCP's only income atm is Eve-online subs. How can you say it wont affect Eve development? _
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:52:00 - [23] Originally by: Zackalwe Thats the problem. Why do they think Eve players wont enjoy a good FPS? If this Dust thing was part of Eve it would be fantastic. Thats what a lot of people were hoping WIS would eventually turn into, it would be the perfect all-in-one space game. Instead... console? Are you kidding me? Also CCP's only income atm is Eve-online subs. How can you say it wont affect Eve development? Would you have preferred CCP had developed a MMO FPS and put in the world of IVI so there were absolutely no interaction between the two games? Or are you so silly that you do not believe CCP should develop any kind of games besides EVE? ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Zartanic	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:52:00 - [24] Originally by: Zackalwe Originally by: Jowen Datloran I think there is a misunderstanding going on (as usual): DUST514 is not directly aimed at providing existing players with new gameplay but to attract a new crowd of players to EVE that enjoy a different kind of gaming. And no, this does not mean that CCP have started neglecting their current playerbase as DUST514 has been developed by a part of the company which only purpose in life has been that development. Thats the problem. Why do they think Eve players wont enjoy a good FPS? If this Dust thing was part of Eve it would be fantastic. Thats what a lot of people were hoping WIS would eventually turn into, it would be the perfect all-in-one space game. Instead... console? Are you kidding me? Also CCP's only income atm is Eve-online subs. How can you say it wont affect Eve development? Well yes I like FPS too. And any company has to diversify. CCP at the moment is a one trick pony which is very dangerous, one **** up with EVE and the company would go down the tubes. I suspect investors have been scared away over that. The idea that all players only like one play style is a bit out of date too. Many players play all sorts of games and if a MMROPG can accommodate that well then they will attract a lot more subs which will benefit us all.
Ruby Khann	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Jowen Datloran And no, this does not mean that CCP have started neglecting their current playerbase as DUST514 has been developed by a part of the company which only purpose in life has been that development. At '08 Fanfest they specifically stated that they had pulled resources off EVE for other projects. Halo 514 is why sound is broken, probing is broken, and sockets still close.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:55:00 - [26] Originally by: Lothros Andastar Nuff said. Why should people who already pay to play this game have to buy a console and pay even more to keep sovereignty? its a different game on a different platform for a different playstyle, just set in the same universe. And its not neccesary for playing EvE online. I think I will find EVE online just as good as always after this FPS been launched. I wont buy it myself since I manically loathe FPS games with a passion not of this world, but it wont affect my love to EVE either! So will EVe die over this FPS? Nope. But this Dust game might end up being a fiasco ofcource. Only the future will tell. I am however very dissapointed in CCP that the first game CCP publically announces is a FPS though. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:55:00 - [27] The EVE NGE. Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:57:00 - [28] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker I am however very dissapointed in CCP that the first game CCP publically announces is a FPS though. You did not me that, right? ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Ruby Khann	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:59:00 - [29] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker its a different game on a different platform for a different playstyle, just set in the same universe. And its not neccesary for playing EvE online. Not nescessary unless you want to claim sov. Hilmar said this will have -regional- effects. If Warcraft 3 players could wipe WOW raids, people would be ****ed. Exactly the same principle is at work here.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:00:00 - [30] Originally by: Gautan Virdamot Can you bombard the FPS people from orbit? Goddess I hope so. I want a kinetic harpoon module that lets you rain heat death down on their little FPS avatars like rain in a hurricane. Wait...was that outloud just now? --Vel Experience is what you get right after you need it.

Waci Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:02:00 - [31] Could you people tell me how do you know exactly how CCP is going to do it? Only thing I've found is that it will have some kind of effect. Did they say somewhere that it's going be required to get sov? Link before random bull**** please? ------------------------------------------------- SCE
Morphisat Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:05:00 - [32] Originally by: Waci Could you people tell me how do you know exactly how CCP is going to do it? Only thing I've found is that it will have some kind of effect. Did they say somewhere that it's going be required to get sov? Link before random bull** please? Watch the golem.de video please, or read the massively article. Quote:** Hilmar said, "DUST battlefields will dictate who control specific planets inside the EVE MMO. If a player contracts a DUST mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet. Then ultimately he will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region."
Crimson Tail Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:10:00 - [33] So many people over the years have wanted planetary flight and to be able to control planets for resources or whatever they had. And now that they are ACTUALLY going to implement it in a very innovative way, people are crying and ***ing about it saying that they are now second-class people and CCP doesn't care about them anymore? Grow the FK up already! You don't want to play it, THEN DONT! GTFO and stay in your pod. This is the most innovative way to introduce TWO gaming styles and merge them into ONE game that anyone has EVER had the BALLS to do. This is precedence setting in all of gaming history! I want to see this work as it will open a whole new world for gaming in the future! Will it work? NO ONE here knows that and will will all have to watch to see if it does. Until then, shut the f**k up and go back to whining about how EVE sucks all the time.
IceGoon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:11:00 - [34] Edited by: IceGoon on 18/08/2009 17:11:31 Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying." Yeah lets make Sov warefare an even more arduous process with more logistics work and more camping. This will surely help small alliances break into 0.0 space.
Ruby Khann	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:14:00 - [35] Originally by: Crimson Tail You don't want to play it, THEN DONT! It doesn't matter if we don't play it, it affects our sov anyways.
Crimson Tail Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:17:00 - [36] Originally by: IceGoon Edited by: IceGoon on 18/08/2009 17:11:31 Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying." Yeah lets make Sov warefare an even more arduous process with more logistics work and more camping. This will surely help small alliances break into 0.0 space. Coming from a Goon who lets anyone who wants it, into 0.0 .....ok...... This has to do with Sov. You can still put up POS in 0.0 and operate from there. No Sov needed. You guys scared you won't rule everything now??
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:21:00 - [37] Originally by: Lothros Andastar Nuff said. Why should people who already pay to play this game have to buy a console and pay even more to keep sovereignty? -100/10
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:23:00 - [38] Originally by: IceGoon Edited by: IceGoon on 18/08/2009 17:11:31 Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying." Yeah lets make Sov warefare an even more arduous process with more logistics work and more camping. This will surely help small alliances break into 0.0 space. Confirming that I too would rather spend endless hours on POS shoot than play a FPS and shoot people in the face.
Nabubrela	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:23:00 - [39] Finaly I get to play with my kid. The younger one. He is 9.
rosinERsundt	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:24:00 - [40] Originally by: Ruby Khann Originally by: Crimson Tail You don't want to play it, THEN DONT! It doesn't matter if we don't play it, it affects our sov anyways. sad and true, STOP DUST

IceGoon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:28:00 - [41] Edited by: IceGoon on 18/08/2009 17:29:41 Originally by: Crimson Tail Originally by: IceGoon Edited by: IceGoon on 18/08/2009 17:11:31 Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying." Yeah lets make Sov warefare an even more arduous process with more logistics work and more camping. This will surely help small alliances break into 0.0 space. Coming from a Goon who lets anyone who wants it, into 0.0 .....ok...... This has to do with Sov. You can still put up POS in 0.0 and operate from there. No Sov needed. You guys scared you won't rule everything now?? No your right, small alliances that can barely pull it together to put up hundreds of towers, keep them fueled and properly stront timed will have absolulty no problem bribing dust players to fight for them and eat the cost of supplying them. On top of having a capital and support fleet big and enough to camp and blockade any enemy reinforcments. Your right, I see a lot of sov changing hands if this goes through. *Hint for the stupid. This means even more logistics + camping + napping + blobbing. You know the thing everyone complains about.
Gajet Gallente Veldspar International	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:29:00 - [42] WTB Gallente Dropship skillbook!!
Ottman Amarr LoneWolf Mining	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:32:00 - [43] wrong platform ccp, eve player have pc and pc gamer dont want to have **ing consoles, so why the you make that for consoles ? bad decision, could happen that the money you invest into dust 514 is lost and you maybe loose customers in addition, was that really that wise ? dont make dumb stuff and ** on the community that supports you for years ccp, the only good advice that i can give ya, be happy that eve still runs and dont make dumb things like that, bringing in the fruits of ambulation project in a "new game" part for console is a cheesy maneuver that will cost you more money then you could earn with that, we are no dumb idiots you can milk like cows ! MfG Ottman
Crimson Tail Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:33:00 - [44] Originally by: IceGoon Edited by: IceGoon on 18/08/2009 17:29:41 Originally by: Crimson Tail Originally by: IceGoon Edited by: IceGoon on 18/08/2009 17:11:31 Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying." Yeah lets make Sov warefare an even more arduous process with more logistics work and more camping. This will surely help small alliances break into 0.0 space. Coming from a Goon who lets anyone who wants it, into 0.0 .....ok...... This has to do with Sov. You can still put up POS in 0.0 and operate from there. No Sov needed. You guys scared you won't rule everything now?? No your right, small alliances that can barely pull it together to put up hundreds of towers, keep them fueled and properly stront timed will have absolulty no problem bribing dust players to fight for them and eat the cost of supplying them. On top of having a capital and support fleet big and enough to camp and blockade any enemy reinforcments. Your right, I see a lot of sov changing hands if this goes through. *Hint for the stupid. This means even more logistics + camping + napping + blobbing. You know the thing everyone complains about. Yes...because all of us here know EXACTLY how DUST is going to play and work and how it will all be tied into EVE.......oh wait....
Imiarr Timshae Caldari Funny Men In Funny Hats	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:33:00 - [45] Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai Q: Why would CCP introduce something that would invalidate the efforts of players in EVE Online? A: They wouldn't. Thus: DUST 514 will not be the only way to claim sov. You never know, CCP has ****ed up a lot of stuff before now.
Nito Musashi	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:34:00 - [46] waa we got moons that make us 100s of billions a month, and now small corps are going to steal our stuffz, with dust. guess some of you just want to spend all them moon moneys on titans and junk to blob system fights and camp your home systems non stop. god forbid you have to hire armies to fight for you on planets on top of it all. cry a river hardcore l33t 0.0 corps tears are almost as tasty a carebear tears. your billions in iskies can i has your stuffs? while you all emo rage quit over a logical game mechanic finally being implemented.
Ukucia Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:34:00 - [47] Originally by: Lothros Andastar Nuff said. Why should people who already pay to play this game have to buy a console and pay even more to keep sovereignty? It's not for you. It's targeted at a different kind of player.
Crimson Tail Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:37:00 - [48] Originally by: Nito Musashi waa we got moons that make us 100s of billions a month, and now small corps are going to steal our stuffz, with dust. guess some of you just want to spend all them moon moneys on titans and junk to blob system fights and camp your home systems non stop. god forbid you have to hire armies to fight for you on planets on top of it all. cry a river hardcore l33t 0.0 corps tears are almost as tasty a carebear tears. your billions in iskies can i has your stuffs? while you all emo rage quit over a logical game mechanic finally being implemented. LOL..quoted for truth!
Ruby Khann	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:38:00 - [49] Originally by: Ukucia It's not for you. It's targeted at a different kind of player. Players with Down's Syndrome.
Bazuka	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:40:00 - [50] CCP should had aimed higher and let WOW affect EVE universe. ___________ CareMyBear!

JamesTalon Caldari The Knights Templar R.A.G.E	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:45:00 - [51] Originally by: Ottman wrong platform ccp, eve player have pc and pc gamer dont want to have **ing consoles, so why the you make that for consoles ? bad decision, could happen that the money you invest into dust 514 is lost and you maybe loose customers in addition, was that really that wise ? dont make dumb stuff and ** on the community that supports you for years ccp, the only good advice that i can give ya, be happy that eve still runs and dont make dumb things like that, bringing in the fruits of ambulation project in a "new game" part for console is a cheesy maneuver that will cost you more money then you could earn with that, we are no dumb idiots you can milk like cows ! MfG Ottman First, you do not speak for PC Gamers. I, obviously, play games on my PC, but I also have an XBox 360, and have consoles for much longer than a computer to play games with. So don't assume that other PC Gamers don't want to have consoles. Myself, I'm looking forward to more information on Dust 514, and can't wait to pick up a gun and help take over planets. "Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the Last Day." - Robert Jordan
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2009.08.18 17:59:00 - [52] Originally by: Robert Hudson because they just want to pull the trigger and watch things go boom? Well, I can see now how this will improve the game substantially. Replace "pull the trigger" with "hit F1" and does this really sound different from your average "leet PvPer"? Besides it's a different game--they're just connected.
Robert Hudson Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.18 18:20:00 - [53] Originally by: Kyra Felann Replace "pull the trigger" with "hit F1" and does this really sound different from your average "leet PvPer"? Yes, it does. Originally by: Kyra Felann Besides it's a different game--they're just connected. Huh? Look, it's one thing to expand an existing game by providing new environmental options within in, but to open up a whole new approach to playing EVE on a completely different platform to a crowd who may or may not have any clue what's going on and have their actions directly impact a relatively ancient game universe seems like "trouble ahead".
Ebon Prophecy Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.18 19:06:00 - [54] ahhh, yes... CCP doing what they do best... Sucking your wallet dry....
Rotnac Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.18 19:07:00 - [55] Yeah, so unless the ground battles are just one facet of taking sov, this is going to be **, if only because you'll get armies of Halo addicts ing with the Eve map. And indeed, if you think this helps small alliances get into 0.0, think again. Yeah, sure, maybe this is really innovative. But if it s up Eve itself, then I don't care if this is the most innovative thing I will ever see in my life, its still **.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.08.18 19:08:00 - [56] Originally by: Robert Hudson Originally by: Kyra Felann Replace "pull the trigger" with "hit F1" and does this really sound different from your average "leet PvPer"? Yes, it does. True. The l337 PvPer is way more snobbish and elitist.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.08.18 19:11:00 - [57] CCP old saying "We don't charge for expansions. Ever" CCP New saying "We don't charge you for expansions; Just "Different" games built into eve which directly affect the most vital mechanic of the sandbox" _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:05:00 - [58] I never thought i'd say this, but i think this is the beginning of the end, or atleast the end of the beginning... It's obvious that ccp is now seriously starting to look in other games, so the importance of eve will be deminishing... I wonder what will be next... Next... an EVE rts!!! (i'd buy that one tbfh!!! ) ________________________________________________
Nuala Reece Caldari Pilots of Damnation death from above..	Posted - 2009.08.18 23:19:00 - [59] Edited by: Nuala Reece on 18/08/2009 23:20:27 Originally by: Zartanic Also I do trust CCP unlike other devs, they love the game and would never do anything to ruin it. this Originally by: Crimson Tail So many people over the years have wanted planetary flight and to be able to control planets for resources or whatever they had. And now that they are ACTUALLY going to implement it in a very innovative way, people are crying and ***ing about it saying that they are now second-class people and CCP doesn't care about them anymore? Grow the FK up already! You don't want to play it, THEN DONT! GTFO and stay in your pod. and this As ever, to use an old (and not often enough repeated) maxim - adapt and evolve. Stop *****ing because your current favourite method of domination is under threat - Eve, like life, moves and adjusts and if you refuse to adapt you die. I may not choose to buy a console and play but I sure as hell will be paying attention to how it affects my life in Eve - more input to the universe = more interest and inovation.
Bluddwolf Khanid Guard	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:25:00 - [60] Although I'm just learning about Dust 514, I can see why some players of EVE find it disturbing that 360 / PS3 players will be able to impact our PC gaming world. Give them there own server, a mirror of our server, where both PC and consol players can mix if they wish. Another solution is to develop Dust 514 for the PC as well, and make it a free expansion.

Kessiaan Minmatar Aitvaras Strategic Industries	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:28:00 - [61] Originally by: Jowen Datloran I think there is a misunderstanding going on (as usual): DUST514 is not directly aimed at providing existing players with new gameplay but to attract a new crowd of players to EVE that enjoy a different kind of gaming. And no, this does not mean that CCP have started neglecting their current playerbase as DUST514 has been developed by a part of the company which only purpose in life has been that development. This is entirely too reasonable and rational to be on this forum. Drink 20 cups of coffee, do something to give yourself a panic attack, then come back and post again.
VonCruix	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:30:00 - [62] Originally by: Bluddwolf Although I'm just learning about Dust 514, I can see why some players of EVE find it disturbing that 360 / PS3 players will be able to impact our PC gaming world. Give them there own server, a mirror of our server, where both PC and consol players can mix if they wish. Another solution is to develop Dust 514 for the PC as well, and make it a free expansion. Dividing the existing player base onto 2 different servers, if that is what you suggest, would be the worse thing they could do.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:31:00 - [63] Originally by: Kessiaan Originally by: Jowen Datloran I think there is a misunderstanding going on (as usual): DUST514 is not directly aimed at providing existing players with new gameplay but to attract a new crowd of players to EVE that enjoy a different kind of gaming. And no, this does not mean that CCP have started neglecting their current playerbase as DUST514 has been developed by a part of the company which only purpose in life has been that development. This is entirely too reasonable and rational to be on this forum. Drink 20 cups of coffee, do something to give yourself a panic attack, then come back and post again. I'll add that all the artwork done for dust is directly usable in wis. Tbh it's the only real way to genuinely keep both universes looking exactly the same and a very smart move on ccp's part as it cuts the cost in half by doing the artwork for both games at the same time. Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
Taedrin Gallente The Space Bar South The Compass	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:40:00 - [64] Originally by: Lothros Andastar Nuff said. Why should people who already pay to play this game have to buy a console and pay even more to keep sovereignty? You heard it here first folks! Everyone who doesn't buy DUST 514 they day it comes out will instantly lose all sovereignty! DUST 514 will be the sole means by which sovereignty is gained and lost!
Bluddwolf Khanid Guard	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:42:00 - [65] Originally by: VonCruix Dividing the existing player base onto 2 different servers, if that is what you suggest, would be the worse thing they could do. No, not a division of the player base. It would be like the test server vs. live. We exist on both servers, we can choose to play on one or both. In the end, I'm really not that concerned about sovereignty, I'm rarely out in 0.0 anyway. I personally like EVE just the way it is, and as long as I can continue playing it this way I'll be fine.
War Bear Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:43:00 - [66] I for one can't wait to see how much scrambling CCP does over the next 24-48 hours to see if they can put this fire out before it hits 5 alarms. I hope the sov mechanics aren't terribly obscure to the point of it being annoying like Warhammer Online. Everything is funny with the Benny Hill theme song
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:53:00 - [67] as a console gamer and belonging to a large game clan...we on console dont like or want p2p games we pay enough for the xbox live sub fees plus the 60 bones on the game you wont have to worry bout many ppl getting dust if they have to pay yet another fee on top of the fee to log in to live also console game lives are very short like lifespans of just 2 months if that cause most the gamers are little kids.8 to 18........most fps gamers seem be 12 to 14 ..ccp might be trying to dazzle folks .....but fact that matter ccp knows nothing of consoles.dust a die just as fast as it was made...........think mechassault 1 and 2 and you'll get the ideal
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.08.19 05:12:00 - [68] Hrm, speaking of fees I wonder what the monthly sub will be. I doubt they will go over 9.95 and it could be entirely possible that its much less. Whilst the infrastructure will be pretty exspensive to setup the ongoing cost should be low so it would make sense to have it at a price point anyone can afford to maintain. Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
VonCruix	Posted - 2009.08.19 05:13:00 - [69] Originally by: Zeba Hrm, speaking of fees I wonder what the monthly sub will be. I doubt they will go over 9.95 and it could be entirely possible that its much less. Whilst the infrastructure will be pretty exspensive to setup the ongoing cost should be low so it would make sense to have it at a price point anyone can afford to maintain. Free with current Eve Sub. 3.95/mo without. Just a guess.
Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2009.08.19 05:14:00 - [70] The tears of you big 0.0 space holders taste even sweeter than the tears of n00bs. THANK YOU CCP! My sig don't fracking work.

Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.08.19 05:17:00 - [71] Edited by: Zeba on 19/08/2009 05:17:46 Originally by: Karlemgne The tears of you big 0.0 space holders taste even sweeter than the tears of n00bs. THANK YOU CCP! If you had read the majority of posts in the two major dust threads you would realise that the big 0.0 space holders are pretty much all for this game and its effect on sov. Its just the random nobodys who are making a fuss as they always do when stuff like this breaks. Pretty much the biggest negative so far is the supposed lack of a pc client. Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
Kurth Ren Gallente Broski Enterprises	Posted - 2009.08.19 05:21:00 - [72] Come on. Are you seriously telling me you wolud rather play pos gaems? I for one, welcome this fresh new attempt at innovation.
Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2009.08.19 05:24:00 - [73] Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 19/08/2009 05:17:46 Originally by: Karlemgne The tears of you big 0.0 space holders taste even sweeter than the tears of n00bs. THANK YOU CCP! If you had read the majority of posts in the two major dust threads you would realise that the big 0.0 space holders are pretty much all for this game and its effect on sov. Its just the random nobodys who are making a fuss as they always do when stuff like this breaks. Pretty much the biggest negative so far is the supposed lack of a pc client. Sure it is. Random nobodies upset about the sov system? I doubt it very very very much. Random nobodies don't have clue one how sov works. It makes absolutely NO sense that they would care enough to forum whine. Random alt maybe. Not random nobodies. But point taken, I'm sure there are some in the 0.0 community who are all for this, and I've over generalized in my comment. Nonetheless, it warms my heart what CCP is doing with DUST 514. And that it is upsetting sov holders means, to me at least, that CCP is on the right track. -Karlemgne My sig don't fracking work.
Kurth Ren Gallente Broski Enterprises	Posted - 2009.08.19 05:28:00 - [74] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 19/08/2009 05:17:46 Originally by: Karlemgne The tears of you big 0.0 space holders taste even sweeter than the tears of n00bs. THANK YOU CCP! If you had read the majority of posts in the two major dust threads you would realise that the big 0.0 space holders are pretty much all for this game and its effect on sov. Its just the random nobodys who are making a fuss as they always do when stuff like this breaks. Pretty much the biggest negative so far is the supposed lack of a pc client. Sure it is. Random nobodies upset about the sov system? I doubt it very very very much. Random nobodies don't have clue one how sov works. It makes absolutely NO sense that they would care enough to forum whine. Random alt maybe. Not random nobodies. But point taken, I'm sure there are some in the 0.0 community who are all for this, and I've over generalized in my comment. Nonetheless, it warms my heart what CCP is doing with DUST 514. And that it is upsetting sov holders means, to me at least, that CCP is on the right track. -Karlemgne u mad?
Edgar Cayce	Posted - 2009.08.19 05:38:00 - [75] isnt dust a cs map?
Raiz Hassai	Posted - 2009.08.19 05:52:00 - [76] Originally by: Kelban Kevar Edited by: Kelban Kevar on 19/08/2009 05:04:08 as a console gamer and belonging to a large game clan...we on console dont like or want p2p games we pay enough for the xbox live sub fees plus the 60 bones on the game you wont have to worry bout many ppl getting dust if they have to pay yet another fee on top of the fee to log in to live also console game lives are very short like lifespans of just 2 months if that cause most the gamers are little kids.8 to 18........most fps gamers seem be 12 to 14 ..ccp might be trying to dazzle folks .....but fact that matter ccp knows nothing of consoles.dust a die just as fast as it was made...........think mechassault 1 and 2 and you'll get the ideal.oh and hell the big thing also forgot all games and mmo's on console have to be aproved bby the console marker them selves as far as prices and other online stuff goes... Shhhhh, your terrible grammar is feeding into the emoragers worst nightmares about console players and making the rest of us look bad.
Urgg Boolean	Posted - 2009.08.19 06:02:00 - [77] I just don't see console gamers accepting code as buggy as we now have in EVE. If CCP produces a UI, for example, of similar quality to our "famous" EVE UI, it'll be a short lived experiment.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation	Posted - 2009.08.19 06:05:00 - [78] Peoples quit speculating on how much this part will affect sov. actually keep speculation, your wild accusation QQ tears taste soo good -------------------------- WTB a sig, or moderation of my sig by all the hot CCP girls.
Razoq Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.19 06:15:00 - [79] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Peoples quit speculating on how much this part will affect sov. actually keep speculation, your wild accusation QQ tears taste soo good I remember when people like you said the same thing when the NGE was announced. omg its happening all over agian.
Darius Brinn Gallente Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.08.19 07:22:00 - [80] I, for one, welcome the possibility to be able to shoot pirates in the face. I doubt it will affect sovs to the point that major players are forced in any way to interact with Dust if they don't want to. http://www.geocities.com/vagrantweapons/db.jpg

Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.08.19 08:22:00 - [81] pour speling mistaces aer goingn to ruen eve. ------------------------------ Just a crazy inventor ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
Caelestics	Posted - 2009.08.19 08:50:00 - [82] Believe or not but i like this idea, not that im going to actually buy dust since i dont have consoles. CCP is being innovative, like somebody said you DONT have to buy this game if you dont like fps. Tho i would love pc version hint
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.08.19 08:53:00 - [83] Originally by: Razoq Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Peoples quit speculating on how much this part will affect sov. actually keep speculation, your wild accusation QQ tears taste soo good I remember when people like you said the same thing when the NGE was announced. omg its happening all over agian. …except that this has exactly zero things in common with the NGE. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.08.19 08:54:00 - [84] Originally by: Lothros Andastar Nuff said. Why should people who already pay to play this game have to buy a console and pay even more to keep sovereignty? Look how @#$%ing stupid you are! You DO NOT have to buy a console to keep sovereignty!!!!!! Learn your @#$%ing facts before you start spaming threads.
Kalintos Tyl Minmatar V O O D O O	Posted - 2009.08.19 08:55:00 - [85] wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WE MAY LOSSSE DYSRPO AND JUICY RATS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH 60D GTC - shattared link
mcnuggetlol Amarr The Penumbra Initiative	Posted - 2009.08.19 09:07:00 - [86] Every time a major announcement is made by CCP the forums explode in a ****ed chorus of "HEY GUYS CCP IS WORKING ON A MASSIVE ADDITION TO THE EVE UNIVERSE I DONT KNOW ** ABOUT IT BUT CHANGE IS BAAAD MAKE IT GO AWAAAYYYYY" Every. Single. Time. Some of you guys are worse then the /1 spammers in the Barrens.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.19 09:18:00 - [87] Originally by: Darius Brinn I, for one, welcome the possibility to be able to shoot pirates in the face. I doubt it will affect sovs to the point that major players are forced in any way to interact with Dust if they don't want to. Well ... Don't be so sure. CCP wants to sell the console game, so not only does it have to work. It has to have value. Now what is the value to a FPS player - fun fights, and perhaps getting their name on some "I kick ass" ranking list. In the interview, it was said that player alliances will create the missions/goals for Dust players. The trick of this is that, Pod Player alliances will not spend their ISK and create these missions if they don't have to. If they don't have to, then the dust players won't have anything to do. If they don't have anything to do, CCP can't sell the game ... See? So, Alliances will HAVE TO use dust players, CCP will see to it, so that Dust players have something to do, so that Dust has value, other wise why play Dust versus play Halo? Dust, like Eve, will be player driven content, that is to say, player driven conflict, just like Eve's "content", read conflict, is all player driven. This was also stated in the interview. The only way CCP can do this is by making it such that Pod players MUST use Dust players. Dust will have impact on sov, and alliances will have to use Dust, or Dust fails, if Dust does not impact Sov, Dust will not have more value than Halo or any other FPS. This is what will make Dust different. The value of the conflicts. CCP's hope is that FPS conflict means more than red versus blue. The only way to do that is to actually ... Do that. The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)


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