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Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:09:00 - [1] I now have to pay for an Xbox, Xbox live subscription, and a $60 Halo clone to participate competitively in EVE's endgame. Why are people excited about this bull****?
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:12:00 - [2] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi I now have to pay for an Xbox, Xbox live subscription, and a $60 Halo clone to participate competitively in EVE's endgame. Why are people excited about this bull****? Its optional you don't have to do it, and go PS3 no subscription :P Its not something you'll have to do it'll just tie in to sov but from hilmar's details you'll be able to hire people to do it instead of doing it yourself :)
Robert Hudson Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:13:00 - [3] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi I now have to pay for an Xbox, Xbox live subscription, and a $60 Halo clone to participate competitively in EVE's endgame. Why are people excited about this bull****? Oxygen deprivation at birth? I can't think of any others right now, sorry bro.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:15:00 - [4] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi I now have to pay for an Xbox, Xbox live subscription, and a $60 Halo clone to participate competitively in EVE's endgame. Why are people excited about this bull****? First of all, it has neither been confirmed to be on the xbox nor PS3. It could be either, it could be both. And price hasn't been announced. In fact, it might be a free download like EVE with monthly charge. It might be a part of your current subscription even!
Nur AlHuda Amarr Callide Vulpis	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:19:00 - [5] It was confirmed that it will be on xbox and ps3. There is the news posted in some of these threads. And achievemtns of those players will switch soveregnity of 0.0 alliances.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:19:00 - [6] Originally by: LaVista Vista First of all, it has neither been confirmed to be on the xbox nor PS3. It could be either, it could be both. Exclusive screenshot of DUST 514 on the xbox.
Ruby Khann	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:22:00 - [7] Originally by: Cypherous you'll be able to hire people to do it instead of doing it yourself :) I CAN FINALLY PUT THAT MIDDLE MANAGEMENT COURSE TO WORK **** YEAH
Jeebus Cynoalt	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:23:00 - [8] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Exclusive screenshot of DUST 514 on the xbox.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:24:00 - [9] Just so I'm clear, if CCP had made an FPS that wasn't tied to the EvE universe, you would actually be happier? So you are actually mad about a feature. And are you seriously trying to call an entirely different game an "expansion?" Whine whine whine.
Presidio Minmatar General Patton's Plan	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:24:00 - [10] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi I now have to pay for an Xbox, Xbox live subscription, and a $60 Halo clone to participate competitively in EVE's endgame. Why are people excited about this bull****? Wow, tone down the sense of entitlement. It's a completely different game. -
Robert Hudson Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:26:00 - [11] Edited by: Robert Hudson on 18/08/2009 20:26:56 Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: LaVista Vista First of all, it has neither been confirmed to be on the xbox nor PS3. It could be either, it could be both. Exclusive screenshot of DUST 514 on the xbox. I would have gone with Wolfenstein 3D myself due to the heavy presence of Germans, but you nailed it. Wow, tone down the sense of entitlement. It's a completely different game.
Davina Braben	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:27:00 - [12] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi a bluu blluuuh blubb a blub a bluuu LIKE LEMONADE.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:27:00 - [13] Originally by: Presidio Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi I now have to pay for an Xbox, Xbox live subscription, and a $60 Halo clone to participate competitively in EVE's endgame. Why are people excited about this bull**? Wow, tone down the sense of entitlement. It's a completely different game. That is going to tie directly into an integral part (sovereignty) of eve. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by:** CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Ruby Khann	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:28:00 - [14] Originally by: Emperor Cheney Just so I'm clear, if CCP had made an FPS that wasn't tied to the EvE universe, you would actually be happier? The issue is that it is tied to the EVE -GAME-, not just the EVE -universe-. Why should some bunnyhopping 12 year old get to determine how our game unfolds? Would it be fair if I could blow up mission running Ravens by playing Zelda?
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:30:00 - [15] Originally by: Presidio Wow, tone down the sense of entitlement. It's a completely different game. If it's a completely different game, why is it going to directly impact the major mechanics of EVE's endgame?
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:32:00 - [16] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Originally by: Presidio Wow, tone down the sense of entitlement. It's a completely different game. If it's a completely different game, why is it going to directly impact the major mechanics of EVE's endgame? When did EVE start to have an "end game"? I thought it was a sandbox. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Messoroz	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:33:00 - [17] Edited by: Messoroz on 18/08/2009 20:35:34 Edited by: Messoroz on 18/08/2009 20:33:21 Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi I now have to pay for an Xbox, Xbox live subscription, and a $60 Halo clone to participate competitively in EVE's endgame. Why are people excited about this bull****? First of all, it has neither been confirmed to be on the xbox nor PS3. It could be either, it could be both. And price hasn't been announced. In fact, it might be a free download like EVE with monthly charge. It might be a part of your current subscription even! For the xbox, Microsoft will NEVER allow a game like Dust 514 to be free, and the updates will NEVER be free over microsoft's dead body, even great companies like Valve have tried and failed to get allowed to have more than one free update.
Robert Hudson Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:34:00 - [18] Actually, the most important question that arises about a 514 world hasn't been answered yet - Due to this new "marriage", if you will, of internet spaceships and gun-slinging FPS action, a) what parts of the EVE universe will not be over-run by the Goons and b) how can I rent space from the Goons who will be living there? /sarcasm off?
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Ruby Khann Originally by: Emperor Cheney Just so I'm clear, if CCP had made an FPS that wasn't tied to the EvE universe, you would actually be happier? The issue is that it is tied to the EVE -GAME-, not just the EVE -universe-. Why should some bunnyhopping 12 year old get to determine how our game unfolds? Would it be fair if I could blow up mission running Ravens by playing Zelda? A bunnyhopping 12 year old in a different game taking sov makes a lot more sense to me than the current sov mechanics, and seems a lot more approachable. I could conceivably find 20 friends to take a planet. I could never get 4 friends with 5 alts and give them 20 dreads, because I haven't spent the past several years collecting money from serfs and moons in the horrifically unbalanced and unfun 0,0 game.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:43:00 - [20] Originally by: Messoroz For the xbox, Microsoft will NEVER allow a game like Dust 514 to be free, and the updates will NEVER be free over microsoft's dead body, even great companies like Valve have tried and failed to get allowed to have more than one free update. Well, that WOULD explain why CCP is reluctant to announce it for both PS3 and Xbox.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Ruby Khann Originally by: Emperor Cheney Just so I'm clear, if CCP had made an FPS that wasn't tied to the EvE universe, you would actually be happier? The issue is that it is tied to the EVE -GAME-, not just the EVE -universe-. Why should some bunnyhopping 12 year old get to determine how our game unfolds? Would it be fair if I could blow up mission running Ravens by playing Zelda? And here I thought Eve players just had to have an inferiority complex about WoW. Guess we need to grow a Halo inferiority complex to go along with it too. Seriously, if Dust is designed worth a damn, the bunnyhopping 12 year olds will get pulverized by the hardcore dual-subscription, vented-up, FC-is-god 25 year olds. When have the FPStards ever been the ones who were any good at it? That's the thing about PvP games - idiots fall by the wayside.
Hyperforce99 Gallente Infinite Covenant	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:45:00 - [22] To OP As far as i'm aware, Xbox Live GOLD is NOT needed for console MMOs because Microsoft takes money out of the the subscription fees for said MMOs themselves. Also, Its a seperate game, simply because you can't fly your ship and be a dust marine on the same account. And thus it is not an expansion to EVE. Much Like city of villains, and city of Heros are 2 sides of a whole. --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
Nekopyat	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:46:00 - [23] Originally by: Cypherous Its optional you don't have to do it, and go PS3 no subscription :P One of the details I am curious to hear.. for xbox will it require xbox live or will it be able to connect to the CCP servers directly?
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:51:00 - [24] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Seriously, if Dust is designed worth a damn, the bunnyhopping 12 year olds will get pulverized by the hardcore dual-subscription, vented-up, FC-is-god 25 year olds. When have the FPStards ever been the ones who were any good at it? That's the thing about PvP games - idiots fall by the wayside. So just like I said, to be competitive you need to drop hundreds of dollars on a console, game, and subscription. WHY IS THAT A GOOD THING?
Corozan Aspinall	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:56:00 - [25] If WiS is the pc version of Dust ie we cant fps but we can command etc in conjunction with the usual eve space fleet battles it will be epic. I expect there will be a pc port of the fps eventually, but dont panic, ccp is already in bed with microsoft and co. I also think CCP rightly predicts that the vast majority of eve players wont give two hoots about fps combat but will instead be creaming their pants over the command and logisitcal potential of WiS/Dust. Being able to perform battlefield support roles and what have you would be awesome, but I can see a WiS that is primarily as planned, originally, just less vague and evidently aimed at being a top tier of Dust's more blood n guts actioneering. I think, this is sincerely, the single most ambitious project ever created in persietant worlds. I'm really, truly, excited. Bravo CCP! I hope it works. I really do.
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Corozan Aspinall If WiS is the pc version of Dust ie we cant fps but we can command etc in conjunction with the usual eve space fleet battles it will be epic. I expect there will be a pc port of the fps eventually, but dont panic, ccp is already in bed with microsoft and co. I also think CCP rightly predicts that the vast majority of eve players wont give two hoots about fps combat but will instead be creaming their pants over the command and logisitcal potential of WiS/Dust. Being able to perform battlefield support roles and what have you would be awesome, but I can see a WiS that is primarily as planned, originally, just less vague and evidently aimed at being a top tier of Dust's more blood n guts actioneering. I think, this is sincerely, the single most ambitious project ever created in persietant worlds. I'm really, truly, excited. Bravo CCP! I hope it works. I really do. There is already an mmo that combines ground combat and space combat, only you can fly directly between them because its all seamless. It did not do very well, but not because it was a bad idea. Once another mmo like that is created, with seamless space/ground transition and fights that take place simultaniously everywere. This whole eve + dust thing will just become pointless and outclassed entierly. CCP should have focused on what we currently have, and making it better.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:01:00 - [27] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Seriously, if Dust is designed worth a damn, the bunnyhopping 12 year olds will get pulverized by the hardcore dual-subscription, vented-up, FC-is-god 25 year olds. When have the FPStards ever been the ones who were any good at it? That's the thing about PvP games - idiots fall by the wayside. So just like I said, to be competitive you need to drop hundreds of dollars on a console, game, and subscription. WHY IS THAT A GOOD THING? That is a bargain compared to cap fleets, supercaps, alts, an intelligence network, and on and on and on. Plus, you don't even have to play yourself. The system seems to be designed with hiring mercenaries as the core feature. Hiring mercenaries, in my mind, just has to be cheaper and easier than what it takes to change sov currently, which makes taking and holding space a game played by a very few, very lonely/unemployed people and those who take their orders. How many real movers and shakers are there in 0,0 right now? 20? 30? Anything that opens up the game sounds great to me. Are you one of those few people who makes the decisions in a 0,0 alliance? If not, what is your problem?
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:06:00 - [28] I eagerly await my console and subscription to complement my patch upgrade The quality of my replies is directly related to the QQuality of the opÆs comments
Saartje Sarel	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:06:00 - [29] Originally by: bff Jill Originally by: Corozan Aspinall If WiS is the pc version of Dust ie we cant fps but we can command etc in conjunction with the usual eve space fleet battles it will be epic. I expect there will be a pc port of the fps eventually, but dont panic, ccp is already in bed with microsoft and co. I also think CCP rightly predicts that the vast majority of eve players wont give two hoots about fps combat but will instead be creaming their pants over the command and logisitcal potential of WiS/Dust. Being able to perform battlefield support roles and what have you would be awesome, but I can see a WiS that is primarily as planned, originally, just less vague and evidently aimed at being a top tier of Dust's more blood n guts actioneering. I think, this is sincerely, the single most ambitious project ever created in persietant worlds. I'm really, truly, excited. Bravo CCP! I hope it works. I really do. There is already an mmo that combines ground combat and space combat, only you can fly directly between them because its all seamless. It did not do very well, but not because it was a bad idea. Once another mmo like that is created, with seamless space/ground transition and fights that take place simultaniously everywere. This whole eve + dust thing will just become pointless and outclassed entierly. CCP should have focused on what we currently have, and making it better. The technology to do that is still years away, and unlike any other company, CCP is not driven entirely by the share holders demanding profit over art as we have seen year after year from eve. Its not perfect, but its not wow in space either.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:06:00 - [30] Bunny hopping was oh so 5 years ago, either you make yourself an idiotic target like in halo where you jump too high, or you now got staminized hopping basically your first leap is going to the strongest subsquenctual leaps are going to be smaller. And in most games hopping now slows you down quite a bit. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 29JUL09
Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:26:00 - [31] The tears are so sweet.
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:29:00 - [32] Originally by: Akor Flandres The tears are so sweet. The ******s are so oxygen deprived. ----
Hixxy Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:31:00 - [33] Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin Originally by: Akor Flandres The tears are so sweet. The ******s are so oxygen deprived. you need feeding.
Spurty Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:35:00 - [34] I sure hope CCP doesn't make it so obvious who you are fighting for that these FPS players can decide to just 'take a dive' instead of fight. Its bad enough playing L4D when you spawn as the survivors only to not live long enough to open the door. CCP need to make it IMPOSSIBLE to tell who you are fighting for. Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails i for one, like 8's that look like 9's lol
Devirus Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:39:00 - [35] Edited by: Devirus on 18/08/2009 21:39:57 I direct you to my previous comments in another thread... "Lets save all the emo rage and crying untill after we found out exactly how much of a part of claiming SOV this will effect, for all we know its going to only have a 10% effect on claiming sov... Or maybe if your planet is being invaded you cant cyno-jam the system, or build capitals there or whatever, or maybe it wont make a diffrence at all. Lets have a group unbunching of the panties ladies. For all we know this could turn out to be the best thing thats happened to eve, it certainly looks like a hell of alot of fun :D YARRRR!!" With added: For all you know there will be no subscription and the game will cost the same as a packet of jellybabies. I cant see there being a subscription charge to this game, as the actual dust players do not seem to get any great benifit from playing the game that would justify said subscription...its the eve players that gets their sov effected, all we do is give the dust guys cash to buy better guns and such...i see it being a one off payment for the game and MAYBE a small charge for any expansions they bring out for Dust 514, thats it. There is more emo-rage from the eve players in these dust 514 threads than most FPS games see in a lifetime of hormonal 12 year olds being "lamed/sniped/whatever" ------------------ Never Defeated.
Mova B	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:49:00 - [36] Originally by: Nova Fox Bunny hopping was oh so 5 years ago, either you make yourself an idiotic target like in halo where you jump too high, or you now got staminized hopping basically your first leap is going to the strongest subsquenctual leaps are going to be smaller. And in most games hopping now slows you down quite a bit. Sorry, bunny hopping is so 15 years ago...
Hixxy Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:56:00 - [37] Originally by: Mova B Originally by: Nova Fox Bunny hopping was oh so 5 years ago, either you make yourself an idiotic target like in halo where you jump too high, or you now got staminized hopping basically your first leap is going to the strongest subsquenctual leaps are going to be smaller. And in most games hopping now slows you down quite a bit. Sorry, bunny hopping is so 15 years ago... quake was 10 years ago too. old isnt bad, sometimes it's just too early.
Zoltar Caldari Perdu Opus	Posted - 2009.08.18 22:01:00 - [38] Where does it say anything about this effecting sov? All I see is that you can give them missions, and in return they will stay on your planet and keep doing your missions.
Ruby Khann	Posted - 2009.08.18 22:18:00 - [39] Originally by: Zoltar Where does it say anything about this effecting sov? Are you a ****? Not being mean, it's totally cool if you're actually **ed. It's just that's a pretty ****ed question.
Ukucia Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.08.18 23:17:00 - [40] Originally by: Devirus Edited by: Devirus on 18/08/2009 21:39:57 I direct you to my previous comments in another thread... "Lets save all the emo rage and crying untill after we found out exactly how much of a part of claiming SOV this will effect, for all we know its going to only have a 10% effect on claiming sov... Or maybe if your planet is being invaded you cant cyno-jam the system, or build capitals there or whatever, or maybe it wont make a diffrence at all. Lets have a group unbunching of the panties ladies. For all we know this could turn out to be the best thing thats happened to eve, it certainly looks like a hell of alot of fun :D YARRRR!!" With added: For all you know there will be no subscription and the game will cost the same as a packet of jellybabies. I cant see there being a subscription charge to this game, as the actual dust players do not seem to get any great benifit from playing the game that would justify said subscription...its the eve players that gets their sov effected, all we do is give the dust guys cash to buy better guns and such...i see it being a one off payment for the game and MAYBE a small charge for any expansions they bring out for Dust 514, thats it. There is more emo-rage from the eve players in these dust 514 threads than most FPS games see in a lifetime of hormonal 12 year olds being "lamed/sniped/whatever" ------------------ How DARE you bring logic and common sense here! This is the forums!
Devirus Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:39:00 - [41] Edited by: Devirus on 19/08/2009 01:39:00 Originally by: Ukucia Originally by: Devirus Edited by: Devirus on 18/08/2009 21:39:57 I direct you to my previous comments in another thread... "Lets save all the emo rage and crying untill after we found out exactly how much of a part of claiming SOV this will effect, for all we know its going to only have a 10% effect on claiming sov... Or maybe if your planet is being invaded you cant cyno-jam the system, or build capitals there or whatever, or maybe it wont make a diffrence at all. Lets have a group unbunching of the panties ladies. For all we know this could turn out to be the best thing thats happened to eve, it certainly looks like a hell of alot of fun :D YARRRR!!" With added: For all you know there will be no subscription and the game will cost the same as a packet of jellybabies. I cant see there being a subscription charge to this game, as the actual dust players do not seem to get any great benifit from playing the game that would justify said subscription...its the eve players that gets their sov effected, all we do is give the dust guys cash to buy better guns and such...i see it being a one off payment for the game and MAYBE a small charge for any expansions they bring out for Dust 514, thats it. There is more emo-rage from the eve players in these dust 514 threads than most FPS games see in a lifetime of hormonal 12 year olds being "lamed/sniped/whatever" ------------------ How DARE you bring logic and common sense here! This is the forums! Damn, what could i have been thinking? ------------------- Never Defeated.
Inspect0r Cl0useau Vandal Empire	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:41:00 - [42] Excellent point. And I tell you, I've not seen this much forum turmoil on a MMO since the SWG: NGE announcement. I know lots of us came here because of that. I also know lots of us will dump EVE just as we did SWG for the same reasons. Dust=EVE's long wanted ground game. To make it console exclusive= first HUGE slap in the face. To make it also have heavy influence on our space game = SECOND huge slap in the face.
Pandemonium Heresy Amarr Interstellar Commodity and Product Exchange	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:43:00 - [43] Originally by: Inspect0r Cl0useau Excellent point. And I tell you, I've not seen this much forum turmoil on a MMO since the SWG: NGE announcement. I know lots of us came here because of that. I also know lots of us will dump EVE just as we did SWG for the same reasons. Dust=EVE's long wanted ground game. To make it console exclusive= first HUGE slap in the face. To make it also have heavy influence on our space game = SECOND huge slap in the face. Come on baby, I only hits you cause I loves you. _________________________________________________ FOR THE SLAUGHTER!
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:44:00 - [44] dust shouldnt be tied in to sov if ya wanna add it to game fine but limit it to highsec npc enpires...its total and utter bull** to have ppl nv played the real eve go able to ** up sov for ppl who play this for years......now on other side belonging to a a very large gameclan on 360 and ps3 we could remove every ones sov with this dust game if that is how it is gonna work.
Inspect0r Cl0useau Vandal Empire	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:47:00 - [45] Originally by: Pandemonium Heresy Originally by: Inspect0r Cl0useau Excellent point. And I tell you, I've not seen this much forum turmoil on a MMO since the SWG: NGE announcement. I know lots of us came here because of that. I also know lots of us will dump EVE just as we did SWG for the same reasons. Dust=EVE's long wanted ground game. To make it console exclusive= first HUGE slap in the face. To make it also have heavy influence on our space game = SECOND huge slap in the face. Come on baby, I only hits you cause I loves you. No, they just want to induce us to pay for another client, another subscription, most likely, if we want to play in 0.0, or to play EVE+ground game. Not even SOE has been that greedy. Simply put, they either change this completely, by adding the ground game to the EVE PC client, and yes, invite the console players to it via DUST, or else they de-link it from EVE as it exists today. If the ground game is to be console exclusive, then EVE (including our ****ing planets) should remain PC exclusive!
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:01:00 - [46] No, actually the concept of a cross platform gaming world is brilliant. If you don't want to deal with ground forces trying to take your planets, stop them in space before they get there. If you can't stop them in space, pay some isk to make your contract look more attractive to the DUST players than your opponent... and get them better equipment and weaponry to use while you are at it. If you must have more control over the battle (or are too cheap to shell out the isk to ensure victory), get the sizable portion of your alliance that DO own the console game to select your planets personal slice of FPS action out of the contracts menu and fight for you directly. Frankly this is not only ground breaking on oh-so-many levels, vastly superior to the mindless grind that Sov warfare has become in EVE. I mean really, think about it. Which is more fun? Fast paced, in your face combat to secure SOV... or sitting like zombies watching the pretty gun graphics blast away hour after hour. I don't currently own a console, and I'm not sure I'll get one for DUST. I'll probably just concentrate on blowing up my adversaries before they get a toe hold they could launch troops from. Even so, not having to deal with the current POS bashing SOV mechanics is a godsend. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Inspect0r Cl0useau Vandal Empire	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:04:00 - [47] Originally by: Ranger 1 No, actually the concept of a cross platform gaming world is brilliant. If you don't want to deal with ground forces trying to take your planets, stop them in space before they get there. If you can't stop them in space, pay some isk to make your contract look more attractive to the DUST players than your opponent... and get them better equipment and weaponry to use while you are at it. If you must have more control over the battle (or are too cheap to shell out the isk to ensure victory), get the sizable portion of your alliance that DO own the console game to select your planets personal slice of FPS action out of the contracts menu and fight for you directly. Frankly this is not only ground breaking on oh-so-many levels, vastly superior to the mindless grind that Sov warfare has become in EVE. I mean really, think about it. Which is more fun? Fast paced, in your face combat to secure SOV... or sitting like zombies watching the pretty gun graphics blast away hour after hour. I don't currently own a console, and I'm not sure I'll get one for DUST. I'll probably just concentrate on blowing up my adversaries before they get a toe hold they could launch troops from. Even so, not having to deal with the current POS bashing SOV mechanics is a godsend. It's an awful idea that only Sony could come up with. Whomever thought linking this with EVE was a great idea should be fired. If Hillmar thinks this is great for EVE, he's clearly lost it and should resign. Nothing good is going to come of this.
Jeebus Cynoalt	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:05:00 - [48] Its not an expansion okay? Its a new paradigm. Experience the synergy.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:06:00 - [49] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 19/08/2009 02:06:15 Quote: t's an awful idea that only Sony could come up with. Whomever thought linking this with EVE was a great idea should be fired. If Hillmar thinks this is great for EVE, he's clearly lost it and should resign. Nothing good is going to come of this. Nice rebuttal, you completely shredded my observations with well thought out arguments. Well done. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Inspect0r Cl0useau Vandal Empire	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:06:00 - [50] Originally by: Jeebus Cynoalt Its not an expansion okay? Its a new paradigm. Experience the synergy. If it's linked to EVE, if it's part of this same MMO in any way, it's an expansion.
Jeebus Cynoalt	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:07:00 - [51] Originally by: Inspect0r Cl0useau Originally by: Jeebus Cynoalt Its not an expansion okay? Its a new paradigm. Experience the synergy. If it's linked to EVE, if it's part of this same MMO in any way, it's an expansion. Someone needs to tweak their sarcast-o-meter
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:08:00 - [52] Originally by: Inspect0r Cl0useau Originally by: Jeebus Cynoalt Its not an expansion okay? Its a new paradigm. Experience the synergy. If it's linked to EVE, if it's part of this same MMO in any way, it's an expansion. That is, of course, incorrect. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:10:00 - [53] Originally by: Ruby Khann Originally by: Emperor Cheney Just so I'm clear, if CCP had made an FPS that wasn't tied to the EvE universe, you would actually be happier? The issue is that it is tied to the EVE -GAME-, not just the EVE -universe-. Why should some bunnyhopping 12 year old get to determine how our game unfolds? Would it be fair if I could blow up mission running Ravens by playing Zelda? Because that bunny hopping 12 year old is going to get torn apart by me in a tank and then I will take part in a fleet that will beat down their sponser.
Torquemada Credo	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:39:00 - [54] Totally off topic, Ranger 1 I love your sig, made me lol. On topic, dust as announced is a bad bad idea, CCP are taking the urine.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.08.19 03:05:00 - [55] Originally by: Nur AlHuda It was confirmed that it will be on xbox and ps3. There is the news posted in some of these threads. And achievemtns of those players will switch soveregnity of 0.0 alliances. Achievements in dust will influance not switch sov. At least that the gist of what I got out of his short speech. Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
Lee Majores	Posted - 2009.08.19 03:25:00 - [56] With all this emo-rage quitting talk...umm, anyone leaving......your stuff....can I have it?
Jhagiti Tyran Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2009.08.19 03:29:00 - [57] Originally by: Inspect0r Cl0useau And I tell you, I've not seen this much forum turmoil on a MMO since the SWG: NGE announcement. You dont read these forums much then, there is a huge ****storm and "omg EVE is dieing" every few weeks.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.08.19 03:30:00 - [58] Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran Originally by: Inspect0r Cl0useau And I tell you, I've not seen this much forum turmoil on a MMO since the SWG: NGE announcement. You dont read these forums much then, there is a huge ****storm and "omg EVE is dieing" every few weeks. Only just went throught all of this "NGE IN EVE, ALL IS LOST" when wormholes came out.

CCP Fallout	Posted - 2009.08.20 16:58:00 - [59] Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us

baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:01:00 - [60] Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. Thats what we are trying to tell them Oh while your here make sure we get hover tanks with lasers for amarr!
Slave 2739FKZ Minmatar	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:01:00 - [61] Bull**, it AFFECTS EVE-O unvierse, hence is part of it. Stop spinning it like that. Either integrate it with the game or don't integrate it at all, anything else is plain bull for the players that have been supporting your company for years. WIS is an expansion which allows EVE players to dress leather and walk around stations. Dust514 is a console shooter/rts** which will tie into EVE and affect sov.
oprime	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:07:00 - [62] Originally by: Messoroz Edited by: Messoroz on 18/08/2009 20:35:34 Edited by: Messoroz on 18/08/2009 20:33:21 Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi I now have to pay for an Xbox, Xbox live subscription, and a $60 Halo clone to participate competitively in EVE's endgame. Why are people excited about this bull****? First of all, it has neither been confirmed to be on the xbox nor PS3. It could be either, it could be both. And price hasn't been announced. In fact, it might be a free download like EVE with monthly charge. It might be a part of your current subscription even! For the xbox, Microsoft will NEVER allow a game like Dust 514 to be free, and the updates will NEVER be free over microsoft's dead body, even great companies like Valve have tried and failed to get allowed to have more than one free update. FFXI is the square enix MMO on xbox360. It only requires a xbox live silver account and all the server / updates are handled by square. All MS does is direct final fantasy 11 traffic to SE servers. Which means when xbox live is down, xbox FFXI players can't login lol. That's the only time that MS will play any role in what happens with Dust if CCP goes that route.
Generalissima Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:13:00 - [63] Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. Yes it is. It's going to be part of EVE, it's going to affect things IN EVE, it's going to be required as part of Sov holding. Unless you all have changed your minds on that (and I hope so). Your statement is a lie that isn't going to hold up.
Lifelongnoob Caldari Final Conflict UK	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:14:00 - [64] Edited by: Lifelongnoob on 20/08/2009 17:14:21 here is how it will work u play eve online as normal your 12 year old kid will play dust 514 and pew pew on planets while u pewpew in space not a parent? no problem im sure u have young siblings or cousins to play dust 514 for your corp
Calenon Caldari InCoherent Darkness	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:18:00 - [65] Originally by: Generalissima Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. Yes it is. It's going to be part of EVE, it's going to affect things IN EVE, it's going to be required as part of Sov holding. Unless you all have changed your minds on that (and I hope so). Your statement is a lie that isn't going to hold up. So I guess we all get free t-shirts, key-chains... from the eve store as well?
jos wijnants	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:20:00 - [66] Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. Its the promised ambulation sold to microsoft/Sony in my eyes As a result Microsoft and/or Sony will demand all exclusive new content ever to be build by ccp Happens all the time
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:24:00 - [67] Originally by: Generalissima Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. It's going to be part of EVE, it's going to affect things IN EVE slightly, it's going to be a part of Sov holding. Your statement is truth that is going to hold up. fixed that for you
Neriel Odershank	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:28:00 - [68] Wait... will it be for console only? Not for PC too??
Professor Dumbledore Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:28:00 - [69] Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. I dont know how the ** you dont realize that playing this new stupid ing game that is goign to change the way sov is doled out in another **ing game isn't required for playing 0.0.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:29:00 - [70] Originally by: Professor Dumbledore Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. I dont know how the ** you dont realize that playing this new stupid ing game that is goign to change the way sov is doled out in another **ing game isn't required for playing 0.0. Because its not? From what I have seen it is but a small part of something larger.
Hartsock1	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:29:00 - [71] RAVE MUSIC RAVE RAVE RAVE RAVE!!!!! Any how dont say anything about charging us for this expansion I just paid for the 12 month sub so SHHHHHHH
Little Tigerlilly	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:32:00 - [72] Originally by: Generalissima Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. Yes it is. It's going to be part of EVE, it's going to affect things IN EVE, it's going to be required as part of Sov holding. Unless you all have changed your minds on that (and I hope so). Your statement is a lie that isn't going to hold up. LOL. I'm sure. Maybe you would be happier in high sec space.
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:32:00 - [73] Originally by: Professor Dumbledore I dont know how the ** you dont realize that playing this new stupid ing game that is goign to change the way sov is doled out in another **ing game isn't required for playing 0.0. Quite correct. Playing it isn't required for doing the whole 0.0 thing. That was your point, right? I kind of got lost in all the double negations.
Anomandaris Draginpurake	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:34:00 - [74] Now aren't these tears delicious. As has been mentioned, there is no confirmation on how the changes will be implemented, how much the game will cost, or whether a subscription will be needed. As has also been mentioned, this is a new game, not an expansion. You can tell this because it has a different name. In short; change is coming, pour yourself a nice tall glass of Man Up, and drink it.
AngelFood	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:34:00 - [75] This will spell the end for eve online. sigh
jos wijnants	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:37:00 - [76] Originally by: AngelFood This will spell the end for eve online. sigh no Eve will live on in those consoles with a faint memory of Internetplayers
Sobach Gallente Fourth Circle	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:38:00 - [77] A long time ago a CCP Dev wisely said something along the line of: "When given any information, EVE players will automatically assume the worst possible outcome". Let's see here so far the facts are: -Dust 514 is set in the EVE universe -Dust 514 will have some sort of yet-to-be-announced effect on the yet-to-be-announce new Sov. mechanic. -Dust 514 will be released for console(s).... so far after being processed by said EVE player's brain filters, somehow it all turn out to be: -Dust 514 IS EVE!!!111!one It's a secret expansion that they're charging us for!!! -Dust 514 WILL DECIDE TH3 FATE OF 0.0!!!!11! BUNNY HOPPING 12YR OLDS WILL BE THE BANE OF US ALLLLLL -DUST 514 is x360 ONLY, CCP is forcing us to buy a new console and pay for a new subscription zomgwtf!!! Did I miss anything?
Aumai	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:39:00 - [78] Originally by: Generalissima Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. Yes it is. It's going to be part of EVE, it's going to affect things IN EVE, it's going to be required as part of Sov holding. Unless you all have changed your minds on that (and I hope so). It's never been said that playing DUST will be a requirement to hold sov. It's been said that it will be a factor, but it won't be a requirement. If you can find a quote that says otherwise, I'd like to see it, though! But anyway, consider this: Instead of DUST, CCP implement a system where sov is affected by combat on planets, and you can affect that by sending down vehicles/supplies/missions or orbital bombardments. The difference is that the war is entirely simulated, and it comes down to which side is getting more supplies with a little bit of randomness. As an EVE player, from this I get: * New sov mechanism * Awesome planetary bombardment * A totally new gameplay mechanic The downside? It's another ISK sink, and yeah - it's a change to the existing sov mechanic which will have some people bawwwing. So, this brings me to my point: What is the difference between the way I have just described, and replacing the equations/randomness with real people fighting the war? The main difference I can see is that with real people it's ****ING BADASS. Aside from that, there isn't much difference. I sincerely doubt that there will be real time communication between EVE players and DUST players - have a think about the story going on here. EVE pilots are the elite - why would they talk to the soldier scum? EVE pilots are the ones giving the orders - if anything, you should be pleased that you get to boss around the "mouth breathing" console gamers in an RTS style from within EVE. On an unrelated note, your concept of "it affects EVE, therefore its an expansion, therefore it should be free" is flawed. The books detailing EVE history/etc are affecting the universe - should they be free?
Ad Valorem	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:40:00 - [79] Will Dust have PLEX? Can Eve players please make ten times as much isk/hr on average, compared to Dust players? Then you will have 30+k Dust players at the start, all spending isk like mad on Dust Sov wars and trying out the game. New Dust kiddies will play EVE for the extra isk they can make and hey, pod pilots are sposed to be mega rich compared to crews and grunts, right?
Professor Dumbledore Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:40:00 - [80] Originally by: Little Tigerlilly Originally by: Generalissima Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. Yes it is. It's going to be part of EVE, it's going to affect things IN EVE, it's going to be required as part of Sov holding. Unless you all have changed your minds on that (and I hope so). Your statement is a lie that isn't going to hold up. LOL. I'm sure. Maybe you would be happier in high sec space. And maybe he would be happy with people playing EVE being the only ones that AFFECT the eve universe. Why the ** is another game going to affect this game at ing all. Who the hell knows CCP is **ing crazy.
Doomed Predator The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:41:00 - [81] Originally by: AngelFood This will spell the end for eve online. sigh Why don't you use your powers of predicting the future at buying some lottery tickets,win and buy out CCP? Also,experts predict sea levels to rise 2 meters cause of tears on EVE players.
nails Caldari Ota Corps	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:42:00 - [82] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi I now have to pay for an Xbox, Xbox live subscription, and a $60 Halo clone to participate competitively in EVE's endgame. Why are people excited about this bull****? Well obviously you fail for owning an xbox.
Builder Robert	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:43:00 - [83] I've already contracted several angry 13 year olds to take over your systems, prepare your planets.
Hoo Is	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:43:00 - [84] I hope Dust is 90% and EVE is 10% of Sov. Death to the POS Spam and Alarm clock Sieges
Doomed Predator The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:44:00 - [85] Originally by: Sobach A long time ago a CCP Dev wisely said something along the line of: "When given any information, EVE players will automatically assume the worst possible outcome". Let's see here so far the facts are: -Dust 514 is set in the EVE universe -Dust 514 will have some sort of yet-to-be-announced effect on the yet-to-be-announce new Sov. mechanic. -Dust 514 will be released for console(s).... so far after being processed by said EVE player's brain filters, somehow it all turn out to be: -Dust 514 IS EVE!!!111!one It's a secret expansion that they're charging us for!!! -Dust 514 WILL DECIDE TH3 FATE OF 0.0!!!!11! BUNNY HOPPING 12YR OLDS WILL BE THE BANE OF US ALLLLLL -DUST 514 is x360 ONLY, CCP is forcing us to buy a new console and pay for a new subscription zomgwtf!!! Did I miss anything? You forgot that they combine the 3 into EVE is dead or will soon be. The 'Fendahlian Collective' strikes again
TCL987 Gallente Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:47:00 - [86] Edited by: TCL987 on 20/08/2009 17:53:21 Edited by: TCL987 on 20/08/2009 17:52:55 Originally by: Nur AlHuda It was confirmed that it will be on xbox and ps3. There is the news posted in some of these threads. And achievemtns of those players will switch soveregnity of 0.0 alliances. DUST will not be the only way to claim Sov, it will only be part of claiming Sov. Which means if you really don't want to hire DUST players you don't have to but you'll only make it harder for yourself in EVE. Originally by: Generalissima Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. Yes it is. It's going to be part of EVE, it's going to affect things IN EVE, it's going to be required as part of Sov holding. Unless you all have changed your minds on that (and I hope so). Your statement is a lie that isn't going to hold up. Just because it has an effect on EVE doesn't mean it is an expansion. Which means you won't get DUST for free but you will get the part where it ties into EVE for free as that part will an expansion.
Anhur Shu Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:49:00 - [87] Originally by: Sobach A long time ago a CCP Dev wisely said something along the line of: "When given any information, EVE players will automatically assume the worst possible outcome". Let's see here so far the facts are: -Dust 514 is set in the EVE universe -Dust 514 will have some sort of yet-to-be-announced effect on the yet-to-be-announce new Sov. mechanic. -Dust 514 will be released for console(s).... so far after being processed by said EVE player's brain filters, somehow it all turn out to be: -Dust 514 IS EVE!!!111!one It's a secret expansion that they're charging us for!!! -Dust 514 WILL DECIDE TH3 FATE OF 0.0!!!!11! BUNNY HOPPING 12YR OLDS WILL BE THE BANE OF US ALLLLLL -DUST 514 is x360 ONLY, CCP is forcing us to buy a new console and pay for a new subscription zomgwtf!!! Did I miss anything? now THIS is funny...ROFL...sooo true I don't care if I suck, so shut the hell up!
Sophia Truthspeaker Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:51:00 - [88] Edited by: Sophia Truthspeaker on 20/08/2009 17:54:46 Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. It isn't? So all that planetary interaction as seen in the drawing board will come? Dust player will play in a diffrent universe (same background story) with no interaction to us eve player? I think someone stated, CCP will try to make eve a complete scifi packet where anything you could thing of in a scifi way would be a possible gaming style, wasn't there such a statement? Dare I say promise? While I really suck at fps games, I always had the impression that one day I could do so in eve, if I so choose. Edit: So I'd really like a clarification. What is considered Eve? Is the whole universe with all possible interactions Eve? Or is Eve Online only the spaceship part of Eve? Will piloting a fighter in a space shooter be an extra game? Will planetary goverment as an economy sim be an extra game? It is your game, your universe, but we shaped it, too. _________ The truth is out there
Farelle Gallente Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:53:00 - [89] can I sit in low orbit and drop ordance on the console kiddies? That is the important question imho.
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:54:00 - [90] Originally by: Sobach -Dust 514 IS EVE!!!111!one It's a secret expansion that they're charging us for!!! -Dust 514 WILL DECIDE TH3 FATE OF 0.0!!!!11! BUNNY HOPPING 12YR OLDS WILL BE THE BANE OF US ALLLLLL -DUST 514 is x360 ONLY, CCP is forcing us to buy a new console and pay for a new subscription zomgwtf!!! Did I miss anything? -DUST 514 IS WIS!! So we're not getting it in EVE and I feel cheated on the addition I never wanted because WiS is ghay!!1 It's an important one — especially the self-defeating logic bit! ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
TCL987 Gallente Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:55:00 - [91] Edited by: TCL987 on 20/08/2009 17:55:33 Originally by: Farelle can I sit in low orbit and drop ordance on the console kiddies? That is the important question imho. Agreed, this feature is a must.
Enkidu Uruksen Wakizashi Renaissance	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:56:00 - [92] Originally by: Professor Dumbledore Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. I dont know how the ** you dont realize that playing this new stupid ing game that is goign to change the way sov is doled out in another **ing game isn't required for playing 0.0. U mad?
TCL987 Gallente Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.08.20 18:03:00 - [93] Originally by: Enkidu Uruksen Originally by: Professor Dumbledore Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. I dont know how the ** you dont realize that playing this new stupid ing game that is goign to change the way sov is doled out in another **ing game isn't required for playing 0.0. U mad? Just a little bit I think.
Amitious Turkey Gallente TarNec New Eden Retail Federation	Posted - 2009.08.20 18:06:00 - [94] Originally by: TCL987 Originally by: Enkidu Uruksen Originally by: Professor Dumbledore Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. I dont know how the ** you dont realize that playing this new stupid ing game that is goign to change the way sov is doled out in another ing game isn't required for playing 0.0. U mad? Just a little bit I think. Professor Dumbledore is raging, watch out for his magicks! BECAUSE OF FALCONDUST! Originally by:** CCP Navigator We love you all as well <3 GO NAVIGATOR <3
Cpt Branko Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.08.20 18:09:00 - [95] A console only game influencing EVE in such a way is the stupidest idea so far. I lol at the future recruitment threads of 0.0 PvP corps Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.08.20 18:10:00 - [96] Originally by: Cpt Branko A console only game influencing EVE in such a way is the stupidest idea so far. And what way is that, exactly? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
VonCruix	Posted - 2009.08.20 18:11:00 - [97] Edited by: VonCruix on 20/08/2009 18:12:14 Originally by: Slave 2739FKZ Bull**, it AFFECTS EVE-O unvierse, hence is part of it. Stop spinning it like that. Either integrate it with the game or don't integrate it at all, anything else is plain bull** for the players that have been supporting your company for years. Lack of being able to see the "Big Picture" is strong in this one.
Slave 2739FKZ Minmatar	Posted - 2009.08.20 18:14:00 - [98] I, too, want to be able to sellout to Sony/MS. That's the big picture sir Anyway do you think you will have much influence over DUST except the contract thing? Keep dreaming about bombing surface, transporting fighters etc. wanna bet? WIS is an expansion which allows EVE players to dress leather and walk around stations. Dust514 is a console shooter/rts which will tie into EVE and affect sov.
VonCruix	Posted - 2009.08.20 18:21:00 - [99] Originally by: Slave 2739FKZ ...Anyway do you think you will have much influence over DUST except the contract thing? Keep dreaming about bombing surface, transporting fighters etc. wanna bet? About as much as any other Mercs you hire. Of course, as mentioned in the Vid I've posted several times, the idea is that Corps in Eve and "eventual" Corps in DUST make "Hybrid" Alliances. Then you may see some teamwork. I'm willing to wait and see.
BIZZAROSTORMY	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:32:00 - [100] The whole dust thing sounds brilliant. Hopefully one day I can walk out of a hangar on a planet, call in a transport up to the station orbiting it and hitch a lift to another star system, while all around me interstellar war rages. As an eve player Id love to be a tangential part of this, providing troop transport as a way of making iskies and nuking sites from orbit...uh, for iskies again. more eve is always good. What are these complainers complaining for? most of them sound like the console kiddies they claim to hate.
Odinegras Gallente 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:42:00 - [101] Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. Please explain how it isnt, it certainly isnt a stand alone game with no connection to tranquility.. If its effecting sov mechanics then it must be an expansion, if its fighting on planets within the eve universe on tranquility then its an expansion. I can understand your need to make a profit etc BUT forcing 0.0 alliance players to get xbox's/ps3's in order to compete in the sovereignty is just tbh a bit out of order, most people running multiple accounts and now there is something else to add on. Your not trying to expand your player base you are increasing the money that your existing playerbase is shelling out. TBH you guys at CCP need to inform the player base more with regards to this kind of thing (sending out a press release that says , the new CCP mmofps is going to affect sov mechanics is just plain stupid, you should have either kept your gob shut or explained the ideas behind the mechanic to the player base in full), if you dont 1 day you will take a step too far and fall on your ass, everyone will find something better to play. I understand that you are just trying to make money, and an mmofps is a good idea if done correctly and the tie in with eve is good but rattling your existing customers is a very bad thing to do..
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:56:00 - [102] Originally by: Odinegras Your not trying to expand your player base you are increasing the money that your existing playerbase is shelling out. If it's to be a pivotal point for sov, CCP would gladly release a PC version and combine it into regular EVE accounts. ... right? Would probably be much easier on the DB too; no new account spam from 0.0 alliances. On another note, how do you like your pods in the morning?
Odinegras Gallente 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:06:00 - [103] Originally by: SupaKudoRio Originally by: Odinegras Your not trying to expand your player base you are increasing the money that your existing playerbase is shelling out. If it's to be a pivotal point for sov, CCP would gladly release a PC version and combine it into regular EVE accounts. ... right? Would probably be much easier on the DB too; no new account spam from 0.0 alliances. Well ive heard a something on the grape vine, but i cant be certain its true. I get your point tho. We will see wont we :D. I wonder how much interest their is in this new game from outside the eve community, if this was aimed at the FPS player, wouldnt their be less mention of the connection to the connection to tranquility.
Wen Jaibao Tides of Silence	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:12:00 - [104] I haven't seen this much forum rage and tears since the NGE. Only this time, its just halfwits raging and crying. This is not the NGE. This is not a new expansion. If you cant afford a ********ing console get a job, find a roomate to share rent, or just stfu and keep blobbing.
xavier69 Gallente Stark Enterprises LLC	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:17:00 - [105] I have seen some of the game play videoÆs this is a total FPS, I am sure its going to be a FPS that you battle in the eve world on Xbox and PS3. There is 0% chance this will be used to decide 0.0 SOV on the pc version that we currently play. I am sure this will be a cash cow on the console market and have nothing to do with the pc version or universe. Most pc gamers and Console gamers are like nitro and glycerin they donÆt mix. The Console market generally consists of kids or people who are ether to poor to own a pc or not interested enough to pay the cash to build a good one. So the console market has itÆs own following and another market for ccp = another 90,000 euro sports car for the ceo =)
Orrimako	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:27:00 - [106] i dont care how you name it ccp, everything that has effect on the eve universe is part of the eve mmo, and you broke a promise ccp, you betray us with this dust 514, nothing that you tell us will change this, you have the small chance to make it available for pc too and make it part of eve as it should be, otherwise you ** off too much customers and you learn it the hard way not to ** on us... you loose money ! mmo market is hard and such a cheesy move will not be forgiven easily, and you have already lost long time customers, which are your power base ccp, how long you think you can continue this without serious consequences for your company and eve ? ofc there come new players into eve still, but the community climate has already changed, and its very unfriendly already, so new players dont stay that long when getting griefed... you have done serious mistakes and you have to overwork existing game mechanic to keep eve friendly for beginners and small industrial and r&d corporations, not all in eve can be big corps and alliances, you should not force your thinking how things should be on us, you should look how things are, and if they are working good your work is to improve that, not killing the improvements the eve community do to the eve universe. and i mean improvements about mining, refining, production, research, invention and doing missions, because that do the ppl in empire space, that about this. about the dust 514 stuff, you really wasted 3 years for just doing a fps that dont even has the features i would like to see ? what about player runned stations in lowsec and .0 space, and i dont talk about POS, more like the npc stations, if they claim sov in .0 maybe conqerable, if they dont claim sov they cant be conqered. but those stations you can walk in and belongs to players have services like the npc ones too, but unlike the npc stations not all parts are max security level, only the most vital parts are absolute safe, other parts have lesser security level, and personal hangars, bars, shops of all kinds have only the security level the "owner" or renter applies to them with armed guards, detectors and stuff like that. means black ops maneuvers and station pew pew action can happen in some parts of station who got damaged with the fighting ofc, when fight is over a timer shows up that displays the needed time for repairs a station owner can reduce with repair parts in stock that can be produced out of bpo. that about station part of that what should be in short form, and just to draw a picture what could be. planetary warfare, well i really thought there would come ground warfare skills, skills for wearing armored ans shielded combat suits, skills for handguns, automatic rifles, sniper guns and heavy weapons, skills for using light, medium and heavy combat related vehicles of all sort, skills for using air related combat vehicles. well and ofc bpo for all the stuff, and skills for producing them, means the ground warfare stuff should be complete skill based, we as pod pilots and demi gods should be also behemoths on the ground battlefield, that is that what we expected, and you never told us this would not happen ! and tbh, its not only about a landing ship that goes down on planet side, a landing zone base that goes for some planetary ressources like power, water, and food, some assembly buildings and storage facilities that allow it to deliver parts of guns, combat vedhicles, ammo via a landing pad in that base. and ofc such a military landing side outpost needs ofc defense, in form of automatic working turrets and npc marines and npc vehicles where you can set their basic tactic behaviour like offensive, defensive, evasive as example. into THIS you can ofc implent the dust 514 thing available on console and pc, that is really awesome then, but excluding the eve community from this is a slap into the face of eve community. grab the chance to work on it again !
Drykor Minmatar Reikoku	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:35:00 - [107] Originally by: Orrimako i dont care how you name it ccp, everything that has effect on the eve universe is part of the eve mmo, and you broke a promise ccp, you betray us with this dust 514, nothing that you tell us will change this, you have the small chance to make it available for pc too and make it part of eve as it should be, otherwise you ** off too much customers and you learn it the hard way not to ** on us... you loose money ! mmo market is hard and such a cheesy move will not be forgiven easily, and you have already lost long time customers, which are your power base ccp, how long you think you can continue this without serious consequences for your company and eve ? ofc there come new players into eve still, but the community climate has already changed, and its very unfriendly already, so new players dont stay that long when getting griefed... you have done serious mistakes and you have to overwork existing game mechanic to keep eve friendly for beginners and small industrial and r&d corporations, not all in eve can be big corps and alliances, you should not force your thinking how things should be on us, you should look how things are, and if they are working good your work is to improve that, not killing the improvements the eve community do to the eve universe. and i mean improvements about mining, refining, production, research, invention and doing missions, because that do the ppl in empire space, that about this. about the dust 514 stuff, you really wasted 3 years for just doing a fps that dont even has the features i would like to see ? what about player runned stations in lowsec and .0 space, and i dont talk about POS, more like the npc stations, if they claim sov in .0 maybe conqerable, if they dont claim sov they cant be conqered. but those stations you can walk in and belongs to players have services like the npc ones too, but unlike the npc stations not all parts are max security level, only the most vital parts are absolute safe, other parts have lesser security level, and personal hangars, bars, shops of all kinds have only the security level the "owner" or renter applies to them with armed guards, detectors and stuff like that. means black ops maneuvers and station pew pew action can happen in some parts of station who got damaged with the fighting ofc, when fight is over a timer shows up that displays the needed time for repairs a station owner can reduce with repair parts in stock that can be produced out of bpo. that about station part of that what should be in short form, and just to draw a picture what could be. planetary warfare, well i really thought there would come ground warfare skills, skills for wearing armored ans shielded combat suits, skills for handguns, automatic rifles, sniper guns and heavy weapons, skills for using light, medium and heavy combat related vehicles of all sort, skills for using air related combat vehicles. well and ofc bpo for all the stuff, and skills for producing them, means the ground warfare stuff should be complete skill based, we as pod pilots and demi gods should be also behemoths on the ground battlefield, that is that what we expected, and you never told us this would not happen ! and tbh, its not only about a landing ship that goes down on planet side, a landing zone base that goes for some planetary ressources like power, water, and food, some assembly buildings and storage facilities that allow it to deliver parts of guns, combat vedhicles, ammo via a landing pad in that base. and ofc such a military landing side outpost needs ofc defense, in form of automatic working turrets and npc marines and npc vehicles where you can set their basic tactic behaviour like offensive, defensive, evasive as example. into THIS you can ofc implent the dust 514 thing available on console and pc, that is really awesome then, but excluding the eve community from this is a slap into the face of eve community. grab the chance to work on it again ! Wait, what?
Sobach Gallente Fourth Circle	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:36:00 - [108] Originally by: Orrimako pointless drivel from someone who assumed most of the point he's arguing against himself, like most everyone else who's crying foul to answer, I'll quote myself: Originally by: Sobach A long time ago a CCP Dev wisely said something along the line of: "When given any information, EVE players will automatically assume the worst possible outcome". Let's see here so far the facts are: -Dust 514 is set in the EVE universe -Dust 514 will have some sort of yet-to-be-announced effect on the yet-to-be-announce new Sov. mechanic. -Dust 514 will be released for console(s).... so far after being processed by said EVE player's brain filters, somehow it all turn out to be: -Dust 514 IS EVE!!!111!one It's a secret expansion that they're charging us for!!! -Dust 514 WILL DECIDE TH3 FATE OF 0.0!!!!11! BUNNY HOPPING 12YR OLDS WILL BE THE BANE OF US ALLLLLL -DUST 514 is x360 ONLY, CCP is forcing us to buy a new console and pay for a new subscription zomgwtf!!! Did I miss anything? Your time is better spent on reading the facts rather than the sensational threads made up by people... well, just like you
Reid Mallenfant	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:51:00 - [109] Is it me or does this have a WH40k/Battlefleet gothic flavour to it?
Tolarus Clown Punchers. Clown Punchers Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:56:00 - [110] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi I now have to pay for an Xbox, Xbox live subscription, and a $60 Halo clone to participate competitively in EVE's endgame. Start exercising your thumbs :)
Benjamin Shepherd Caldari Shepherd Industries Celestial Imperative	Posted - 2009.08.21 00:10:00 - [111] I'm going to explain this as clearly as I can, an action that I can do because I've actually seen the sunlight outside and compromised with people in real life clearly and without a whine sound: It's a different IP that is part of the EVE universe. You are a capsuleer in EVE Online, and you're a marine in Dust 514. Two different people, two different gameplay strategies, and two different games. If you're going to quit EVE because CCP is trying to make an effort in a struggling economy to profit with other ventures, then you deserve a pity tear. CEO, Shepherd Industries
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.08.21 00:13:00 - [112] Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. Close every thread with this message for two days, maybe it will work.
Adeptis Black Storm Cartel	Posted - 2009.08.21 01:10:00 - [113] iz in my console taking over ur planetz! Tactical Gamer Universe LTD is Recruiting
xavier69 Gallente Stark Enterprises LLC	Posted - 2009.08.21 01:12:00 - [114] No complaints here, they have constantly update eve features and even the graphics I played Ever Quest 2 for 5 years and they never updated the graphics and made me pay for ever dam expansion and what did they put their profit into a fing online card game, I could have shot their ceo dead. So kodos to you CCP I donÆt mind an fps as long as it has no effect on our game [which i am sure it won't] and you remain as diligent in giving us expansions and updates in this game.
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.21 01:20:00 - [115] Is EVE dying? However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
Sidrat Flush Caldari Life is Experience New Eden Hardware Emporium	Posted - 2009.08.21 02:02:00 - [116] Originally by: xavier69 No complaints here, they have constantly update eve features and even the graphics I played Ever Quest 2 for 5 years and they never updated the graphics and made me pay for ever dam expansion and what did they put their profit into a fing online card game, I could have shot their ceo dead. So kodos to you CCP I donÆt mind an fps as long as it has no effect on our game [which i am sure it won't] and you remain as diligent in giving us expansions and updates in this game. watch the video, not just the game clip ALL of it, it explains their plans, albeit in very limited detail, during the talking bit. You have to listen and watch that to glimpse just how far Dust players could influence the 0.0 sov holders of New Eden. If it means more smaller alliances, and possibly more naps then I'm in favour. Naps can be broken for giggles, alliances breaking up is something a bit harder to contend with. So what will you do now? Eat a cookie - YOU WILL NOT, go watch the presentation video again and watch ALL of it. Eve-online Industrial Organiser thread t1 & t2 batch manufacturing
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.08.21 02:50:00 - [117] Originally by: Sidrat Flush watch the video, not just the game clip ALL of it, it explains their plans, albeit in very limited detail, during the talking bit. You have to listen and watch that to glimpse just how far Dust players could influence the 0.0 sov holders of New Eden. Grown up people know the difference between a keynote speech and that of years of discussions, planning and statements (made, partially, on these forums). The former is intended on selling the tie-in as making the role of DUST 514 as important as possible, the latter gives you more insight into what will really happen. IRL, I seldom meet people who are this prone to conspiracy theories, rage at wrongs done to them, twisting of facts and what not. I used to think it was just the internetz, though lately through my living in other countries I've kinda realized it's more about geography. American politics is a good example of that.
Varus Riaz Gallente Fatalix Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.21 02:50:00 - [118] Originally by: Aumai It's never been said that playing DUST will be a requirement to hold sov. It's been said that it will be a factor, but it won't be a requirement. If you can find a quote that says otherwise, I'd like to see it, though! This is a flawed argument. A cap fleet isn't a requirement to hold sov either, but it's a tremendous advantage. The competitive nature of 0.0 sov ensures that if the influence Dusk has on sov is anything but infinitesimally small, it will become a mandatory part of the sov game.
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.08.21 04:08:00 - [119] Originally by: Varus Riaz Originally by: Aumai It's never been said that playing DUST will be a requirement to hold sov. It's been said that it will be a factor, but it won't be a requirement. If you can find a quote that says otherwise, I'd like to see it, though! The competitive nature of 0.0 sov ensures that if the influence Dusk has on sov is anything but infinitesimally small, it will become a mandatory part of the sov game. Yes, but that still doesn't meant that you will be required to play Dust to hold sov. You might need to hire dustbunnies to do so, but that's still just playing EVE. Buying Dust (with or without a console) and paying to play it is entirely optional. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Shevar Minmatar Target Practice incorporated	Posted - 2009.08.21 04:15:00 - [120] Is there any confirmation/quotes that dust will actually happen in the same environment as tranquility? The tidbits I read would indicate that it uses the eve brand but not connected to "our" servers. If both games use the same world it can either be awesome or can completely break the game (and to be honest the second one seems more likely, unless they go a fail route such as incorporating it only into factional warfare which is irrelevant anyhow imho). --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.08.21 04:22:00 - [121] Originally by: Shevar Is there any confirmation/quotes that dust will actually happen in the same environment as tranquility? Depends what you mean by "same environment". It will be the same universe and what happens in one game will affect what happens in the other — that much has been said. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tomas Ysidro Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.21 04:22:00 - [122] As long as I can doomsday these bunny hopping 12 year olds, I'm game
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council Seposita Astrum	Posted - 2009.08.21 04:47:00 - [123] Originally by: Farelle can I sit in low orbit and drop ordance on the console kiddies? That is the important question imho. Basically this tbqh, I'd love to orbitally bombard the ** out of the little FPS ant looking people, I was always the Wraith *** whenever I played Halo Combat Evolved Also, with this, we saw in the video that their was clearly a Megathron Class Battleship that got blowed up, so hopefully this means that Planetary Interaction is going to become a big part of EVE online, so, we here in EVE are going to get a bit more stuffz as well along with the new FPS MMO since both games are intertwined, you KNOW we are going to get stuff for that reason. Btw, im kinda tired, worked alot today, more tired than usual Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
stupid flanders Raiders Of Civilization	Posted - 2009.08.21 04:49:00 - [124] Already having a PS3 my question is can I buy dust with plex's? While I prefer PC for FPS's I can hold my own with with the joysticks but a PC version would be pure win in my book.
LordSwift Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc	Posted - 2009.08.21 04:52:00 - [125] Wow just wow. I am actually ashamed to be a part of this community. The rage and insults at ccp are uncalled for. Most of you all need to grow up and wait for all the facts before you make wild assumptions. All you saw was a 5 minute video about this new game. I really dont think ccp would risk everything on a console game. They know what they are doing (I hope) In the end its CCP's game, not "our" game as some of you highly tempered people have said. They can do the hell they like and if it screws up your sov and makes all you alliances work harder cos you start to lose a lot of space. I am ready to watch the fireworks with my popcorn. Its going to be fun Join the brown Coats today!!!
Shevar Minmatar Target Practice incorporated	Posted - 2009.08.21 04:52:00 - [126] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Shevar Is there any confirmation/quotes that dust will actually happen in the same environment as tranquility? Depends what you mean by "same environment". It will be the same universe and what happens in one game will affect what happens in the other ù that much has been said. Yeah but that's open to A LOT of interpretation. Ranging from just the story line will have effects and be at the same time (eg. some RP newsblurb in eve also being an RP newsblurb in dust) to playing dust being a requirement for holding .0 or anywhere in between. If it's the latter it really is a slippery slope imho (which is why I really can't see it given much influence outside for example factional warfare). Especially considering the fact it is on another platform and thus requiring more money, you can argue that currently people can't do everything in the game (which is absolutely accurate) but the only reason for that is because people choose in game to follow different paths, technically every player can do and achieve the same as everyone else, the moment you introduce another game on a different platform kinda means that that is ruined. Ohwell I'll see what comes of it and if I don't like it at all there is always a nice cancel button in the account management pages. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Shiu EtE Clan Varangians.	Posted - 2009.08.21 04:57:00 - [127] Now if only we would get an option of planetary bombardment. The thought of blowing up a crap-ton of console players by the press of a single button just warms my heart. "This long run is a misleading guide to current affairs - In the long run we are all dead." - John Maynard Keynes
LordSwift Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc	Posted - 2009.08.21 05:03:00 - [128] Originally by: Shiu Edited by: Shiu on 21/08/2009 04:57:18 Now if only we would get the option of planetary bombardment. The thought of blowing up a crap-ton of console players by the press of a single button just warms my heart. Keep dreaming. its only going to be minimal interatction. Not same server etc. so no Join the brown Coats today!!!
ViolenTUK Gallente DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.21 05:24:00 - [129] Edited by: ViolenTUK on 21/08/2009 05:24:40 I don't want a 12 year old bunnyhopping little pri.ck to have ANY influence in eve online. CCP can cram DUST up their ass.
Jacinta Worth Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.08.21 05:33:00 - [130] 12-year olds, whether bunny-hopping or not, already have some influence over this game. Oh, and given a choice between them and the behaviour of some of the people I've seen post in this thread ...
ViolenTUK Gallente DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.21 05:44:00 - [131] Originally by: Jacinta Worth 12-year olds, whether bunny-hopping or not, already have some influence over this game. Oh, and given a choice between them and the behaviour of some of the people I've seen post in this thread ... Different type of 12 year old. And yes i know what you mean.
ServantOfMask Minmatar Foundation Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.08.21 06:43:00 - [132] Originally by: Hyperforce99 To OP As far as i'm aware, Xbox Live GOLD is NOT needed for console MMOs because Microsoft takes money out of the the subscription fees for said MMOs themselves. might want to check your facts there... Micro**** recently changed their mmo policies regarding xbox live useage. the only mmo's that do NOT require an xbox live GOLD acct are PSO and FFXI. all future mmo's WILL require the player to also subscribe to xbox love GOLD. "Misina Arlath GIRL = Guy In Real Life MMORPG = Many Men Online Role Playing Girls."
ServantOfMask Minmatar Foundation Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.08.21 07:11:00 - [133] Originally by: oprime FFXI is the square enix MMO on xbox360. It only requires a xbox live silver account and all the server / updates are handled by square. All MS does is direct final fantasy 11 traffic to SE servers. Which means when xbox live is down, xbox FFXI players can't login lol. That's the only time that MS will play any role in what happens with Dust if CCP goes that route. check your facts.. PSO and FFXI are the only two exceptions on xbox live being allowed to only use silver, after micro****s recent policy change regarding mmo's all other mmo's including future mmo's are required to pay for the xbox live GOLD sub to play online. "Misina Arlath GIRL = Guy In Real Life MMORPG = Many Men Online Role Playing Girls."
eliminator2 Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.21 07:13:00 - [134] Originally by: Cypherous Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi I now have to pay for an Xbox, Xbox live subscription, and a $60 Halo clone to participate competitively in EVE's endgame. Why are people excited about this bull****? Its optional you don't have to do it, and go PS3 no subscription :P Its not something you'll have to do it'll just tie in to sov but from hilmar's details you'll be able to hire people to do it instead of doing it yourself :) this is why im not getting it if its for xbox for simple fact the ps3 would be way cheaper yet xbox for it would be so expensive ----------------------------------------------- i met Eliminator1..... i ate it and spat it out now hes my minion :) i kill miners and missioners people say, i call them target practise
Empress Norton	Posted - 2009.08.21 07:13:00 - [135] Originally by: Akor Flandres The tears are so sweet. their anguish sustains us
Komen Gallente Domination. THE KLINGONS	Posted - 2009.08.21 08:11:00 - [136] As an ex counterstrike junkie, every time someone says 'Dust' I start twitching. I think the idea of tying an FPS game into sov mechanics is interesting. Waiting to see how it's implemented and what effect on Sov mechanics can be achieved through the game. And, oh, so THIS is what that short clip of an FPS style thing from fanfest '08 was about. I just remembered that. Way to hint drop CCP. At the time I just thought it was one of those 'this would be cool but we're not actually working on it' things.
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.08.21 08:31:00 - [137] Man, so much rage at something only just announced, with minimal detail. To those of you who think that creating a new game in the same persistant universe is a massive rip-off, I have two things to say. It is a new idea in the same universe which requires one hell of a lot of work, a lot of design, and a lot of coding. To make it financially viable, they are going to have to make it a separate game. You may not like it, but that's economics. If you think it's a rip-off, then you've been spoiled. Has anyone actually considered yet that the work being done on ambulation is all part of the same project? This could well be the 'interface' between the two games, and could lead to some intriguing developments. Would you be so willing to crucify Dust if it meant the end to your ambulation dreams? Secondly, there are other persistant universes with many, many separate games involved, most notably Star Wars. Why aren't you all raging at George Lucas that the game 'Supremacy' ruined your enjoyment of 'X-Wing Vs TIE Fighter'. They may not have been directly connected, but it's all part of the same whole, and events in one game have shaped events in others (such as the Old Republic games). There is also a lot of snobbery in this thread about console users. You complain about the game being infiltrated by immature people who will bring the intellectual nature of EVE down. I hate to break it to you, but the game is already full of immature morons who like to do nothing but cause grief to others. Personally, I have many contemporaries who have consoles, but never really got into PC gaming, possibly because I was in the generation to whom computing was the worse kind of geekery. They got into gaming as they got older, but lack the same kind of computer literacy that I do. This does not make them stupid and liable to bring down the tone of EVE. Console does not equal child anymore than PC equates to adult. Get over your own egos. Frankly, I think this idea is a good one. More exposure to the EVE Universe would promote more curiosity about EVE Online, and possibly more customers. I'd be surprised if it was console only. It may be at first, but would migrate to PC (if successful) in the long run. To those concerned about 0.0 sovreignty. Do you really think 'console kiddies' are going to instantly change everything you've worked so hard for? I know 0.0 is competetive, but there's only so much time and effort that each person can pour into a game. If you just have to have the console game running at the same time as multiple EVE accounts, then you really need to calm down, or the stress will get to you. All this will mean is a group of gamers you don't know may help provide an additional advantage. You'd still need to do all of the existing things required. I think the only real problem CCP have with this, is whether it can hold it's own in a market that is saturated with FPS clones. Of course, the EVE universe has an advantage in having this connection to a persistant universe, and this could be exploited well, perhaps even lead to a minor revolution in FPSs. The replayability of these games goes up dramatically when you know they have a long-lasting impact elsewhere. I quite like the idea of bringing a new plane to EVE Online. You shouldn't shoot it down in flames before they have even got it off the ground. But then, reason and forums make for strange bedfellows.
Sade Onyx	Posted - 2009.08.21 08:41:00 - [138] of course its an expansion to Eve. You've already told us that it will become the new "sovereignty system" More deceptions from CCP, starting to make a pretty good list now.. "Drones work fine" "More risk, more reward" "Dust isnt an expansion"
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.08.21 08:46:00 - [139] Eve is getting a seperate expansion during DUST 514's launching. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 29JUL09
Kevin Kenobi Sigillum Militum Xpisti	Posted - 2009.08.21 08:54:00 - [140] First, I got sick to my stomach when I learned about Dust. My corp is already talking about setting up sort of a ground operations division and being a poor college student I can barely afford my EVE subscription at the moment. As for Dust, I don't know how well it will success. Planetside, WW2 Online, other MMOFPS games haven't exactly succeed. Seems like to me that CCP is depending on a lot of EVE players signing up.
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.08.21 09:09:00 - [141] Originally by: Nova Fox Edited by: Nova Fox on 21/08/2009 08:50:01 Eve is getting a seperate expansion during DUST 514's launching. This seperate software package will be free unless atari is still boxing it at the time and you can get some cheap cards then. You dont need Dust to Play eve, you dont need eve to play dust, you cant play dust with eve, you cant play eve with dust. Thus forth its not a true expansion. Joint Pack maybe? Co-op'd game? Hell I dont think the terminilogy for this sort of game EXISTS yet, because Eve may be the first to do this. Thank you for pointing that out so succinctly, and you're absolutely right. I can't think of any other game that does this, so a new term could be coined to describe it. I do think ambulation is going to be inextricably linked to Dust, and you might have the populations of both games mingling in this aspect of the game. After all, you need a way of assigning missions to the troops, and this is more social than a cold menu screen. Oh, and I did like the use of the word dustbunny to describe one of the players. Henceforth, all of the players of that game should be termed this. The cute name sits well in juxtaposition to the violent nature of the EVE universe.
Shiu EtE Clan Varangians.	Posted - 2009.08.21 09:11:00 - [142] Originally by: LordSwift Originally by: Shiu Edited by: Shiu on 21/08/2009 04:57:18 Now if only we would get the option of planetary bombardment. The thought of blowing up a crap-ton of console players by the press of a single button just warms my heart. Keep dreaming. its only going to be minimal interatction. Not same server etc. so no Yeah I know, its a damn shame though. I honestly dont know what went through the minds of the CCP employees who thought this one out. Expanding a universe that was create on the PC exclusively to console? I would love to put my eve character on the ground, who knows, maybe I will be able to, but having to do that on a console (which I dont own and most likely never will) just seems silly. Like so many other people have said, its a slap in the face to the EVE community. So im just dreaming a bit here. Never liked console FPS games. And never liked the console players who think they can even compete with a mouse, using their analog sticks to aim. They deserve a nuke, sent from the depths of space (speaking of EVE here ofcourse ;) ) "This long run is a misleading guide to current affairs - In the long run we are all dead." - John Maynard Keynes
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.21 09:40:00 - [143] Originally by: Ratchman Originally by: Nova Fox Edited by: Nova Fox on 21/08/2009 08:50:01 Eve is getting a seperate expansion during DUST 514's launching. This seperate software package will be free unless atari is still boxing it at the time and you can get some cheap cards then. You dont need Dust to Play eve, you dont need eve to play dust, you cant play dust with eve, you cant play eve with dust. Thus forth its not a true expansion. Joint Pack maybe? Co-op'd game? Hell I dont think the terminilogy for this sort of game EXISTS yet, because Eve may be the first to do this. Thank you for pointing that out so succinctly, and you're absolutely right. I can't think of any other game that does this, so a new term could be coined to describe it. I do think ambulation is going to be inextricably linked to Dust, and you might have the populations of both games mingling in this aspect of the game. After all, you need a way of assigning missions to the troops, and this is more social than a cold menu screen. Oh, and I did like the use of the word dustbunny to describe one of the players. Henceforth, all of the players of that game should be termed this. The cute name sits well in juxtaposition to the violent nature of the EVE universe. hah I like dustbunny
Dhefi	Posted - 2009.08.21 13:48:00 - [144] To the OP. I really hope you are kidding. Think!
Iece Quaan Caldari Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2009.08.21 14:05:00 - [145] I support this for one reason: it's making goons cry like little girls.
Dravius Luxor Minmatar Phoibe Enterprises	Posted - 2009.08.21 15:01:00 - [146] Don't get your knickers in a twist.
Brolly Caldari Caldari State Inc. Deathadder Coalition	Posted - 2009.08.21 15:28:00 - [147] I would like to take this moment and be immature. ahem Hahahaha, all toy alliance types, all your power will become nought. All those hundreds of hours staring at gates will be for nought. Whilst us console gamers are shooting the crap out of each other, you will be spinning your ship in stations. Yes, us console gamers will take away your silly illusions of power, rise above and take your systems one by one, mwahahaha! DUST Alliance will wipe away the old power blocks. Submit or die!
SocialPolice	Posted - 2009.08.21 15:36:00 - [148] Originally by: Jowen Datloran Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Originally by: Presidio Wow, tone down the sense of entitlement. It's a completely different game. If it's a completely different game, why is it going to directly impact the major mechanics of EVE's endgame? When did EVE start to have an "end game"? I thought it was a sandbox. when 75% of 0.0 napped itself and crush anyone who want to carve out their own space... thats why its called endgame. And no im not a bitter bob alt.
Adeptis Amarr Black Storm Cartel Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.21 19:00:00 - [149] hop hop hop I takez ur planetz I lol at these forums
Kataclismo Gallente Imperium .H.E.M.P.	Posted - 2009.08.22 17:45:00 - [150] I see it as: - When the game turns "online" somekind of update will be set in EVE to allow some grade of interaction - It will help on sov, or help to advance even more sov, or maybe to hold sov against attackers... - It MAYBE a jump for ambulation, maybe we can meet some of these DUST soldiers in the stations around the galaxy! - DUST 514 is not an expansion, it is a GAME that probably makes use of the TQ Server DB for interaction some grade of interaction or will have its own server that will interface the TQ server, dont matter the result, it will not be "the same game" but what one does MAY interact with the other one... - Looks an awesome game, I'll wait to see it, but if it comes only for XBOX and PS-3 will be a shame, I hate consoles. IF THERE IS NO FUN, THERES NO NEED TO BE DONE PLAY ΞνΞ ΘΠLІΠΞ "Info: It is much more efficient to talk to yourself in person than via the chat system."
SiJira	Posted - 2009.08.22 20:12:00 - [151] Originally by: Jowen Datloran Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Originally by: Presidio Wow, tone down the sense of entitlement. It's a completely different game. If it's a completely different game, why is it going to directly impact the major mechanics of EVE's endgame? When did EVE start to have an "end game"? I thought it was a sandbox. when wow players overran it and bought characters to play in 0.0 wars by selling gtcs for isk Trashed sig, Shark was here
Ruby Khann	Posted - 2009.08.22 20:20:00 - [152] "A Corporation which wants to remain successful, must have access to good dust-soldiers" - Hilmar Still not an expansion?
Enkidu Uruksen Wakizashi Renaissance	Posted - 2009.08.22 20:37:00 - [153] I, for one, welcome our new BoB-funded 20,000-member Chinese aimbot dustbunny clan overlords.
LuCiD Amarr CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.22 20:43:00 - [154] Didn't bother to read all the replies to this, just wanted to point out one thing. Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. Fallout did not say it wasn't connected to EVE or that it wouldn't affect EVE in any way. Fallout only stated that DUST is not an expansion for EVE. Yes, DUST will have some impact on the gameplay of EVE, but it's not an expansion. Don't read what isn't there...
Enkidu Uruksen Wakizashi Renaissance	Posted - 2009.08.22 20:54:00 - [155] Originally by: LuCiD Didn't bother to read all the replies to this, just wanted to point out one thing. Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. Fallout did not say it wasn't connected to EVE or that it wouldn't affect EVE in any way. Fallout only stated that DUST is not an expansion for EVE. Yes, DUST will have some impact on the gameplay of EVE, but it's not an expansion. Don't read what isn't there... Since you didn't read all the replies, I'll highlight an important one for you: "A Corporation which wants to remain successful, must have access to good dust-soldiers" - Hilmar That's a bit more than "some impact", wouldn't you say? It looks to me more like it's a part of EVE, though as much different from the other aspects as (say) miner from PvPer or mission-runner from POS farmer.
LuCiD Amarr CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.22 21:04:00 - [156] Originally by: Enkidu Uruksen Since you didn't read all the replies, I'll highlight an important one for you: "A Corporation which wants to remain successful, must have access to good dust-soldiers" - Hilmar Does that change ANYTHING in the post made by Fallout? No. Does this make DUST 514 an expansion to EVE Online? No. So as I said...
Wen Jaibao 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.08.22 21:50:00 - [157] Originally by: Orrimako Crying Look at you, getting mad over video games.
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.08.22 22:07:00 - [158] Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 22/08/2009 22:08:40 Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 22/08/2009 22:08:07 Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. I understand you as a company wanna make money. You do projects on the side like World of Darkness , pulling resources out from EVE your main child, i dont mind it at all. As for me you can be ultra rich ( that would be even better for EVE) but ... Separating EVE universe into diffrent kind of games , adding game content that could be as well part of EVE, into consoles. You are chargin us with an expansion really. You just wanna do it in very clever way ! So half of the poeple cant warp their heads around it.
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.08.22 22:32:00 - [159] Edited by: Typhado3 on 22/08/2009 22:36:10 Edited by: Typhado3 on 22/08/2009 22:34:56 tbh it's a completely different game. I think the idea of humans running around doing the fighting is better than a AI calculator doing the fighting as you watch a timer on the planet saying "Conquering 84%". The other way to do it would have little marines that you have to manage watch their exp bars rise while you sit out in space watching it. Manage all their guns, trucks and shiney stuff while you spin your tempest... etc. This way you open a convo, talk to a human (that's better than most help lines) and ask them to do it all for you and other people get to have fun while doing it. ------------------------------ Just a crazy inventor ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.22 23:25:00 - [160] Originally by: Enkidu Uruksen Originally by: LuCiD Didn't bother to read all the replies to this, just wanted to point out one thing. Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. Fallout did not say it wasn't connected to EVE or that it wouldn't affect EVE in any way. Fallout only stated that DUST is not an expansion for EVE. Yes, DUST will have some impact on the gameplay of EVE, but it's not an expansion. Don't read what isn't there... Since you didn't read all the replies, I'll highlight an important one for you: "A Corporation which wants to remain successful, must have access to good dust-soldiers" - Hilmar That's a bit more than "some impact", wouldn't you say? It looks to me more like it's a part of EVE, though as much different from the other aspects as (say) miner from PvPer or mission-runner from POS farmer. It's part of the EvE-verse, but it's not part of the PC game EvE Online.
ShadowGod56	Posted - 2009.08.22 23:26:00 - [161] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: LaVista Vista First of all, it has neither been confirmed to be on the xbox nor PS3. It could be either, it could be both. Exclusive screenshot of DUST 514 on the xbox. lmao
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.22 23:29:00 - [162] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 22/08/2009 22:08:40 Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 22/08/2009 22:08:07 Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. I understand you as a company wanna make money. You do projects on the side like World of Darkness , pulling resources out from EVE your main child, i dont mind it at all. As for me you can be ultra rich ( that would be even better for EVE) but ... Separating EVE universe into diffrent kind of games , adding game content that could be as well part of EVE, into consoles. You are chargin us with an expansion really. You just wanna do it in very clever way ! So half of the poeple cant warp their heads around it. The current EvE playerbase is not the target market for Dust, or at least not the primary. CCP are clearly trying to attract a new set of players into their EvE-verse. How do CCP benefit if the classic double or triple account 0.0 alliance member ditches one of his EvE accounts and subs up to Dust? In fact they would lose. Dust isn't about expanding your EvE game, it's about expanding the EvE IP to a whole new playerbase.
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.08.22 23:49:00 - [163] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 22/08/2009 22:08:40 Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 22/08/2009 22:08:07 Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. I understand you as a company wanna make money. You do projects on the side like World of Darkness , pulling resources out from EVE your main child, i dont mind it at all. As for me you can be ultra rich ( that would be even better for EVE) but ... Separating EVE universe into diffrent kind of games , adding game content that could be as well part of EVE, into consoles. You are chargin us with an expansion really. You just wanna do it in very clever way ! So half of the poeple cant warp their heads around it. The current EvE playerbase is not the target market for Dust, or at least not the primary. CCP are clearly trying to attract a new set of players into their EvE-verse. How do CCP benefit if the classic double or triple account 0.0 alliance member ditches one of his EvE accounts and subs up to Dust? In fact they would lose. Dust isn't about expanding your EvE game, it's about expanding the EvE IP to a whole new playerbase. Yeah you play EVE , you wanna go into the planet and crash all of those who oppose you , you have to pay for new game i dont know how to make things more clearer for you.
ddr800	Posted - 2009.08.23 00:11:00 - [164] I wouldnÆt worry about the xbox live sub, Microsoft doesnÆt allow sub games on xbox live. I would imagine ccp wants to charge a sub for dust, which means it, won't be an xbox360 live game, which means it won't be downloadable. Which means its player pull is going be pretty weak outside our market. Over all great idea, just make it parity; of eve use our lore and universe just make them separate. That way you can xbox live it, but again good luck with MS getting them to let you charge a sub I am sure their going to want like 50% or more of those subs. Its their consoleà. welcome to console tyranny
Kleus Flek Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises	Posted - 2009.08.23 00:13:00 - [165] Originally by: ddr800 I wouldnÆt worry about the xbox live sub, Microsoft doesnÆt allow sub games on xbox live. I would imagine ccp wants to charge a sub for dust, which means it, won't be an xbox360 live game, which means it won't be downloadable. Which means its player pull is going be pretty weak outside our market. Isn't final fantasy on the xbox? ____ "A Corporation which wants to remain successful, must have access to good dust-soldiers" - Hilmar
ddr800	Posted - 2009.08.23 00:25:00 - [166] Edited by: ddr800 on 23/08/2009 00:27:13 Quote: Isn't final fantasy on the xbox? And you think ccp has enough money to do as FFO ? Not likely, I'll believe it when I see it. Nothing against ccp they are amazing company and I love their game but they are not in the same caliber as FF nor as rich as square. The amount of wasted money they are going to spend or should I say shell out its like a record producer he takes his % the console is the record producer when making a game.
Crimson Tail Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.08.23 00:55:00 - [167] The 0.0 alliance tears are just JOYOUS! Its incredible to see so many tears shed from the self-proclaimed bad-asses of EVE. Don't worry boys....LET THE TEARS FLOW! Its not a bad thing to cry!!
Pristine Nippletub Kinky Killing Kleptomaniacs BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.08.23 01:26:00 - [168] To be honest, I think it sounds alright, but it also sounds reasonable that maybe eve subscribers could get the game at a discounted price or something off the website? Either way I will be happy with a FPS to tie into a great game. I just hope it is good. I am tired of guns just putting little holes into people. Real guns blow pieces/chunks out. Also I am a bit concerned about my role in eve as a space overlord to the peasants and or subhuman clones fighting for space on the planets. We need to have some sort of rule over them, or at least there needs to be a feeling of fear in all dust players, that one of the mean space pirates is going to nuke them again. We shall see.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.08.23 03:23:00 - [169] Edited by: Zeba on 23/08/2009 03:24:41 Remember that ccp filed for two copyrights. Dust 514 and Dust. CCP has already stated that Dust 514 is console only and will have an as yet undetermined effect on eve sov so what we need to figure out is what the hell is Dust? Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
voogru Gallente Massive Damage United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2009.08.23 05:18:00 - [170] Change map to ccp_dust? 1. Yes 2. No 1 Hate Farmers? Click Here
Herring Caldari Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2009.08.23 06:18:00 - [171] Probably the worst dissemination of information about a product I've ever seen (ok aside from SOE). This is probably under wikipedia under 'how best to **** off your existing playerbase'. I will also reiterate that changing a very longstanding game mechanic like sovereignity by (re)moving it to any extent to another game without the support of the players using it is a very bad idea. But, onward. The first really puzzling thing about this announcement is ccp's departure from tradition in giving out good information. If there's changes down the road, there's a blog about it. Huge upcoming nerf, blog. Hilmar farts, blog. Now, just an announcement and a video of him presenting it somewhere, to a press audience, and no more information. He describes very little detail but what he does say seems to contradict many statements of the sunshine and roses spin doctors in this thread. I believe CCP knows the majority of the details will be ill received by the playerbase and that is why they are being withheld, for as long as humanly possible. We do know that it will cost isk to purchase the ground troops. On the theory that the ground game must also be fun and more addictive than your traditional fps, ground players will probably cost incrementally more as their skill level/acquired items increase. Any statement that these ground troops would be at all unnecessary or have a minimal effect on EVE is probably not true. If you just have an fps game, with your standard fps goals, excellent graphics, etc people still get burned out on them and stop playing after a few months, or perhaps a year. But a shooter with long term strategic goals that are based on the game of EVE, might hold the attention of some longer. I can guess a couple of things based on this. One is that the ground game will have as much of an impact on sov as dreads vs battleships do now (unless they add a plaentary bombardment module for dreads for ground troop decimation, which, as fun as it sounds for me, wouldn't be very fun for the dust people) Not necessary theoretically, but practically, yes. Two, after six months or so, the best mercenaries on any 0.0 planet will be quite expensive. Another problem I see is the numbers mismatch. What happens when there's not enough dust players to fight a battle? Do you hire npc dust? Are they as good? Do they cost as much? Certainly in the beginning of the game there won't be enough players to supply the vast needs of the typical 0.0 slugfestorama. Will you be allowed to purchase as many npc troops as you have isk for? Will you be able to purchase solely npc's if you wish? This leads naturally right into the next set of unknowns I will discuss. You get what you pay for - or do you? The faint scraps that have been let out indicate that dust soldiers will probably not be anonymous, but people that you can recruit into the ground alliance or some such mechanic. This leads to the question of will there be friendly fire enabled. That is, can they turn on their fellow squad members. I can see goons having a field day if it is. You log into planet x and join up with your squad....and drop three plasma grenades right after you get out of your transport, killing yourself and everyone else. Objective completed. All in all if these guesses are anywhere close to the truth it'd be a bad idea as implemented. A less distasteful approach would have been to tie it into factional warfare with nice carrots attached if you won a solar system for instance (get a station service of your choice added on, etc). They do need to spill the beans on the details of how it's going to effect us though, and soon. All the Scandinavian people I talk to are not happy. And you need to keep the vikings happy.
Fudol	Posted - 2009.08.23 06:36:00 - [172] Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 23/08/2009 03:24:41 Remember that ccp filed for two copyrights. Dust 514 and Dust. CCP has already stated that Dust 514 is console only and will have an as yet undetermined effect on eve sov so what we need to figure out is what the hell is Dust? This probably is just a way to prevent some other company releasing their own ,,Dust" game ( whatever company,whatever game/genre) and creating ,,confusion on the marketplace". So if two gamers talk and one mentions "Dust" they both connect it to eve's Dust not some racing game for example. You read the forums so you see that everybody says just ,,Dust" not ,,Dust 514"
Holy Makaroni	Posted - 2009.08.23 09:19:00 - [173] I am excited over the new game. But i will never get a console. I prefer to play on pc. So maybe i get a chanse to play it if it will be released to pc. And thats not gonna happen for a long time i think. But then again if i want a shooter there is many good comming. Battlefield3, Operation flashpoint2 dragon... and Arma2.
Kilostream Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.23 10:21:00 - [174] Originally by: Devirus....For all we know this could turn out to be the best thing thats happened to eve....[/quote It could also turn out to be killing the goose that laid the golden egg for CCP. I really don't know what to make of this, but I suspect that behind it is the new American owners (sorry "partners") of CCP putting the boot in to try and screw more money out of us. Eve, and games like it have players subscribed for years - most console games have shelf lives measured in months - you can see why they'd want to force known long-term game players into their new contrivance. Even if this is a success on initial release of the game, I can't see it being a lasting solution after the game is three-six months old or so if Eve players don't play it. The console kiddies we "hire" will get distracted by GT5 or some other shiny toy on their christmas-list and the only people left playing it will be ****ed-off Eve subbers who feel forced into doing so because they want a result in the game they actually want to play. CCP - this is a crap idea - if you need to fix sov, fix it, but do it in-game.
iP0D	Posted - 2009.08.23 10:43:00 - [175] I'm wondering how many Somethingawful.com members will now be able to swarm into the eve universe who previously didn't have much of anything to do with PC games or EVE in general ...
Chris Liath Gallente Nex Exercitus Cult of War	Posted - 2009.08.23 11:39:00 - [176] Originally by: voogru Change map to ccp_dust? 1. Yes 2. No 1 You just made my day. "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
ITTigerClawIK Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2009.08.23 12:10:00 - [177] Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. you can not say that when this game is going to be effecting sovereignty and i can assure you no one is going to want to put there empire int he hands of a bunch of screaming 13 year olds who have a very short attention span and can just decide to screw things up for us couse they feel like it and we cant do bugger all about it Sig space reclaimed in the name of me -courtesy of Tiggy ([email protected])
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.08.23 12:16:00 - [178] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 You are chargin us with an expansion really. You just wanna do it in very clever way ! So half of the poeple cant warp their heads around it. Is DUST required to be purchased for you to remain able to login to TQ, nope then its not an expansion and its not a requirement for you to purchase, i'll be buying it aswell just because it'll be nice to be able to poke fun at sov without having my ass assploded by titans :P
Vysnaite	Posted - 2009.08.23 12:17:00 - [179] On one hand it's debatable whether its an "expansion". Its something in between a completely new product and an expansion. Yes, ti does influence EVE world, unlike some have claimed and it;s sad that it will not be on PC (speculation about no direct "NO" in interviews is not convincing). Yet this is at least a couple of years to wait, so don't get into it too much.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.08.23 12:27:00 - [180] Originally by: ITTigerClawIK Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. you can not say that when this game is going to be effecting sovereignty Are you required to own Dust to play sov games in EVE? No. Are you required to own EVE to play Dust? No. Will owning EVE and/or Dust affect what you can and cannot do in the other game? No. Can use use your Dust character in EVE? Not likely. Can you use your EVE character in Dust? Not likely. It's not an expansion by any stretch of the imagination. It's a parallel but entirely separate game that just so happens to co-exist within the same game world. Quote: no one is going to want to put there empire int he hands of a bunch of screaming 13 year olds who have a very short attention span and can just decide to screw things up for us couse they feel like it and we cant do bugger all about it So don't. Who says you have to? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.08.23 12:48:00 - [181] Originally by: ITTigerClawIK Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online. you can not say that when this game is going to be effecting sovereignty and i can assure you no one is going to want to put there empire int he hands of a bunch of screaming 13 year olds who have a very short attention span and can just decide to screw things up for us couse they feel like it and we cant do bugger all about it Clearly it is not an expansion. All it does is it builds on the current mechanic and expands them to include new things. It's more of an addition to EVE then an expansion. So we only have to pay for additions to the game, but not for expansions. I can't see how people have so much problems understanding this clear and simple CCP policy. DUST is not like WIS, that doesn't actually influence the current gameplay and is therefore an expansion. Since DUST will influence current gameplay mechanics, it is better classified as an addition. Surely you can understand the logic behind this decision now.
Zartanic	Posted - 2009.08.23 13:03:00 - [182] Its not an expansion. If it was an expansion CCP would not do it as they have to recover the cost. So forget trying to get it for free, they simply wouldn't do it. The interface element to Dust is free, that's the EVE expansion part. No one has to be part of any paid element to be part of endgame. You pay someone else to take over planets, the same as you would with NPC's and a simple formula which they could easily have done instead. In fact I suspect they will have do this anyway and balance it to the amount of Dust players. I see it as a great way of adding considerable content to EVE without paying for it as the tech from writing the programme will go into EVE. Also CCP is a business not a charity. They have to diversify and its a major issue they are a one trick pony right now. That affects everyone, we should be happy their risk will go down and investors are more likely to support the game this way.
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.08.23 13:12:00 - [183] Originally by: Tippia Are you required to own Dust to play sov games in EVE? No. Are you required to own EVE to play Dust? No. Will owning EVE and/or Dust affect what you can and cannot do in the other game? No. Can use use your Dust character in EVE? Not likely. Can you use your EVE character in Dust? Not likely. It's not an expansion by any stretch of the imagination. It's a parallel but entirely separate game that just so happens to co-exist within the same game world. You cant say its separate since it will affect EVE universe : Originally by: Ruby Khann "A Corporation which wants to remain successful, must have access to good dust-soldiers" - Hilmar Still not an expansion? Its the CPP that separates this( By design ) Quote: no one is going to want to put there empire int he hands of a bunch of screaming 13 year olds who have a very short attention span and can just decide to screw things up for us couse they feel like it and we cant do bugger all about it So don't. Who says you have to? Of course you dont. You can buy your self new shiny console, pay for new game and your set .
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.08.23 13:48:00 - [184] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 You cant say its separate since it will affect EVE universe Does Dust launch when you click the EVE.exe? No. They don't even run on the same hardware, much less the same system. So, separate. If you absolutely have to indicate the connection between them, parallel is about as good as it gets based on what we know. Quote: Of course you dont. You can buy your self new shiny console, pay for new game and your set. And so far, we don't even know if that will be needed. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.08.23 14:02:00 - [185] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 You cant say its separate since it will affect EVE universe Does Dust launch when you click the EVE.exe? No. They don't even run on the same hardware, much less the same system. So, separate. If you absolutely have to indicate the connection between them, parallel is about as good as it gets based on what we know . So if flying titan would be under other executive file then EVE.exe , then you would say flying titan would separate game ?? Or trading and industry , the same , separate game ?
luminous russula	Posted - 2009.08.23 16:44:00 - [186] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 You cant say its separate since it will affect EVE universe Does Dust launch when you click the EVE.exe? No. They don't even run on the same hardware, much less the same system. So, separate. If you absolutely have to indicate the connection between them, parallel is about as good as it gets based on what we know. Quote: Of course you dont. You can buy your self new shiny console, pay for new game and your set. And so far, we don't even know if that will be needed. you realize eve used to have two different clients its an expansion... and i would be happy to pay for it...if it was for the PC... hey, if they said they can make ambulation come out really fast if we pay for it, even though it is an expansion, i would gladly do it. dust is an epxansion, and we are paying for it. there is nothing wrong with that. except the part of CCP not admitting it. why do you think it wasn't announced for PC just yet...
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.08.23 16:59:00 - [187] Quote: So if flying titan would be under other executive file then EVE.exe , then you would say flying titan would separate game ?? Or trading and industry , the same , separate game ? If the science and industry part of EVE was launched with a separate executable file and was purchased separately from EVE then yes, it would be a separate game. But it's not.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.08.23 17:05:00 - [188] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 So if flying titan would be under other executive file then EVE.exe , then you would say flying titan would separate game ?? Or trading and industry , the same , separate game ? If you're not playing EVE, you're not playing EVE, are you? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
T'Amber Gallente starvald emurlahn	Posted - 2009.08.23 17:11:00 - [189] t'amber <3 spahmz but <3 CCP moar Who cares if it costs money to play, I am all for CCP doing well financially. It means they'll have more money to spend on Eve T click me!
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.23 18:27:00 - [190] The amount of butt-hurt spoiled child posts in this thread has made me understand that CCP stir up the forum rabble on purpose. They're laughing. Laughing at you.
Sky Marshal IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.08.23 20:24:00 - [191] Edited by: Sky Marshal on 23/08/2009 20:27:33 Like politicians, CCP make the worse announcement possible, then they see the reaction, and they will adapt the product in a way that it will be less worse, but the initial goal can be still here. People accept. Politicians win. They manage to make most of the worse laws ever by this method, mostly all against privacy or security. And this method ALWAYS works. Hopefully, it is for a game, so not a big deal, as long that something can cover the situation than we can't find (or don't want use) Dust players etc... Well, read arguments in all previous posts to have an idea of my position. Fanboys who defend it by mocking/calling to tears or whatever are just morons, but they do their part too, as this permit to estimate how much people will appreciate the product in his initial form, or not. _______ Local is fine, period. CCP devs, you nerfed shield resists by 8.3% but armor by 7.1% (The old Explo/EM "10 points" Nerf). When will you correct this inconsistency ?
ShangoLianja Balogun	Posted - 2009.08.23 21:05:00 - [192] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi I now have to pay for an Xbox, Xbox live subscription, and a $60 Halo clone to participate competitively in EVE's endgame. Why are people excited about this bull****? First of all, it has neither been confirmed to be on the xbox nor PS3. It could be either, it could be both. And price hasn't been announced. In fact, it might be a free download like EVE with monthly charge. It might be a part of your current subscription even! Exactl-and if it's Sony, it's free. BTW, did I mess something? Who said DUST was an EVE "EXPANSION?" 1. Tied to the "EVE Universe"-Check 2. Separate game-Check 3. EVE expansion-iinntt-incorrect answer!
Dracoknight Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.23 21:18:00 - [193] Havent you heard? CCP is making a new console called "Wii Station 360" ____________________ I wish my Thorax could use missiles...
ShangoLianja Balogun	Posted - 2009.08.23 21:39:00 - [194] Originally by: Dracoknight Havent you heard? CCP is making a new console called "Wii Station 360" I thought the P-EVE-3 was coming out first-ssnnaapp!
Wen Jaibao 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.08.23 23:09:00 - [195] Originally by: Malcanis The amount of butt-hurt spoiled child posts in this thread has made me understand that CCP stir up the forum rabble on purpose. They're laughing. Laughing at you. Confirming this statement.
Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.08.24 03:43:00 - [196] The cluelessness in this thread is staggering. As is the amount of totally uncalled for insults. You guys are complaining about 12-year old dustbunnies...I have an advice for you. Take a look at what you have posted. Read it thru, carefully. Now who's the 12-year old? Grow UP! ----- Why doesn't anyone ever read the forums before posting? EVE is a game of adaptation and planning. Adapt or die.
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2009.08.24 12:27:00 - [197] Personally i dont think we have enough information to be leaping to any sort of conclusion yet alone OMGEVEISDYINGCONSOLEKIDDIESWILLRUINIT CCPIZMEENTOCHARGEUZFOREXPANZION!!!ONE!!!! Ill just look on with mild interest until we get something concrete concerning platform availability and how much effect it will have on the 0.0 mechanics. IMO anything that stirs up the current status quo is going to lead to more opportunities for smaller alliances and more fun for the rest of us.
Kyax	Posted - 2009.08.24 12:42:00 - [198] Originally by: Inspect0r Cl0useau Edited by: Inspect0r Cl0useau on 19/08/2009 02:07:43 Originally by: Jeebus Cynoalt Its not an expansion okay? Its a new paradigm. Experience the synergy. If it's linked to EVE, if it's part of this same MMO in any way, it's an expansion. One that they are not only charging us for, but they expect us to go get a whole other system to play, making it not only a paid expansion, but the most expensive one EVER RELEASED. Indeed, more expensive than buying several other MMO's paid expansions all at once. Agreed. If the events on the ground completely decide sov then it is the main part of 'eve' and the mechanic to do so that currently exists in the game will be put in the hands of another title. Hence the 'Eve' player base are not very thrilled.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.08.24 12:48:00 - [199] Originally by: Kyax Agreed. If the events on the ground completely decide sov then it is the main part of 'eve' and the mechanic to do so that currently exists in the game will be put in the hands of another title. Hence the 'Eve' player base are not very thrilled. …and since, going by what we've heard so far, they don't, it isn't and it won't be. Hence the part of the EVE player base that overreacts based on nothing but their own imagination needs to calm down. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Shade Millith Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.08.24 13:05:00 - [200] Edited by: Shade Millith on 24/08/2009 13:05:36 Originally by: Kyax Originally by: Inspect0r Cl0useau Edited by: Inspect0r Cl0useau on 19/08/2009 02:07:43 Originally by: Jeebus Cynoalt Its not an expansion okay? Its a new paradigm. Experience the synergy. If it's linked to EVE, if it's part of this same MMO in any way, it's an expansion. One that they are not only charging us for, but they expect us to go get a whole other system to play, making it not only a paid expansion, but the most expensive one EVER RELEASED. Indeed, more expensive than buying several other MMO's paid expansions all at once. Agreed. If the events on the ground completely decide sov then it is the main part of 'eve' and the mechanic to do so that currently exists in the game will be put in the hands of another title. Hence the 'Eve' player base are not very thrilled. This. Why the hell are the people who actually live in 0.0 having our control over the space we live in taken from us and given to another game, and another gaming system. And don't give me the "We don't know how much of an effect it'll have on 0.0". Cause with quotes like - Quote: "A Corporation which wants to remain successful, must have access to good dust-soldiers" - Hilmar It's pretty obvious CCP intends it to be a large part. --------------------------------------------
Kyax	Posted - 2009.08.24 13:08:00 - [201] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Kyax Agreed. If the events on the ground completely decide sov then it is the main part of 'eve' and the mechanic to do so that currently exists in the game will be put in the hands of another title. Hence the 'Eve' player base are not very thrilled. àand since, going by what we've heard so far, they don't, it isn't and it won't be. Hence the part of the EVE player base that overreacts based on nothing but their own imagination needs to calm down. "DUST 514, featuring first-person shooter and RTS-style gameplay, will interact directly with EVE Online, CCPÆs critically acclaimed flagship MMO." This is what CCP have said. I am sure they new when they released the information what kind of discussions would come from it. If it interacts with eve then it is part of the game mechanic. What will be the difference between say star wars galaxies and jump to light speed apart from you create a new character for each? Was that an expansion or a new game it gets a bit blured. Although they will dispute it I am sure like the training while not paying for an account that appeared in the official eve guide etc.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.08.24 14:52:00 - [202] Originally by: Kyax "DUST 514, featuring first-person shooter and RTS-style gameplay, will interact directly with EVE Online, CCP’s critically acclaimed flagship MMO." This is what CCP have said. They also said that fleet battles would be a part of the sov systems, which instantly scuttles the idea that "the events on the ground completely decide sov", as you (and many others) fear. From my perspective, 99% of the fearmongering surrounding Dust is due to selective hearing: Hillmar says Dust will feed into the sov systems; EVE players choose to hear "Dust will replace the sov system". Hillmar says dustbunnes will fight the ground war and pod pilots will fight the space war; EVE players hear "0.0 will be all about the ground war." Quote: If it interacts with eve then it is part of the game mechanic. And that's the important bit: it is part of the game mechanic — it does not entirely replace it. Yes, the current sov system may be replaced, as many have requested over the years, but it will be replaced on two fronts, and by the sounds of it, both fronts will matter. Quote: Although they will dispute it I am sure like the training while not paying for an account that appeared in the official eve guide etc. …the guide that wasn't written by CCP, and which was descriptive rather than normative, making any content a poor guide for what could be considered undesirable and what was intended. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Kyax	Posted - 2009.08.24 16:48:00 - [203] Of course it is early days but players are going to discuss it. It is such a big change it could have dramatic consequences to peoples enjoyment of the game we all love. àthe guide that wasn't written by CCP, and which was descriptive rather than normative, making any content a poor guide for what could be considered undesirable and what was intended. Maybe CCP did not write it but they put there name to it by publishing it on there website. Did soembody not get paid for doing the work? If so then that work must have been authorised it as complete? Therefore does it matter if CCP wrote it or not? From a blog I undnerstand that previous fanfests have been managed by external companies does that mean CCP has never held one before? The excuse CCP came up with was similar to the 'my dog ate my homework' story. So you agree that ground combat will be part of the sov system that exists in eve. Therefore a machanic eve players could control is now going to be removed from there control and put in the hands of another entity that will be required to maintain there current position. It exists within the eve universe and interacts with the Eve-MMO. It is this interaction that makes this an update designed for a different audiance. Like I said before remember jump to light speed this is the same but in reverse. Listening to the rumour mill goes something like this: CCP wanted ground combat in eve. they started development and made some progress. ambulation was showed off at earlier fanfests and development increased. they got poor feedback for the concept at later fanfests. Rather than write off the entire project they now want to port it over to a console to get some money back, so it has some member base include it as part of the eve game mechanics.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.08.24 17:28:00 - [204] Originally by: Kyax Maybe CCP did not write it but they put there name to it by publishing it on there website. Did soembody not get paid for doing the work? If so then that work must have been authorised it as complete? Therefore does it matter if CCP wrote it or not? It matters because a third party had no insight into the intent (or lack thereof) of the mechanism. So not only was the guide descriptive — it was impossible for it to have any normative value, which means that there is zero grounds for using it as proof of CCP's intent on the matter. Quote: So you agree that ground combat will be part of the sov system that exists in eve. Therefore a machanic eve players could control is now going to be removed from there control and put in the hands of another entity Incorrect and non sequitur. Again: it's "part of" not "completely replace". By your logic, since fleet operations will also be "part of" the sov mechanic, Dust does not exist and has no influence on the matter. Quote: Listening to the rumour mill goes something like this: CCP wanted ground combat in eve. they started development and made some progress. ambulation was showed off at earlier fanfests and development increased. they got poor feedback for the concept at later fanfests. That's why it's only a rumor. I see none of this supposed "poor feedback at later fanfests" — quite the opposite. So that's incorrect as well. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Somealt Ofmine	Posted - 2009.08.26 01:54:00 - [205] Edited by: Somealt Ofmine on 26/08/2009 01:56:08 Frankly, I don't see what the BFD is. If they can't leave atmo, and we can't enter atmo, the interaction between us and them is going to be very high level at best. I'm betting that they do something similar to a suggestion I made a while back with regards to planetary interaction. That is: Folks will come to colonize planets in your sovereign space, for which they'll pay you taxes. (yay!). There will probably be some hostile NPCs for them to deal with, and so they'll rely on you to supply stuff to them so that they can either have or make weapons/ammo/similar ****. If your space isn't secure, they will probably also have to deal with hostile players landing and attacking them. Long story short, the carebearish dust players are going to want to live on planets in very secure space. Ones who wnat constant warfare will live on planets in border systmes that get raided a lot. Secure planet = more carebearing = more taxes. (yay!). How does it effect sov? Dust players are going to have to want to live in your space, and you're going to need to attract them by making your space not suck. If it sucks to live in your space, your Dust players pack up and leave. Less inhabited and colonized planets = less sov. I originally thought this would work with NPC "colonists" Making the conlonists actual players would be that much cooler.
Kyax	Posted - 2009.08.26 13:00:00 - [206] Edited by: Kyax on 26/08/2009 13:02:02 It matters because a third party had no insight into the intent (or lack thereof) of the mechanism. So not only was the guide descriptive ù it was impossible for it to have any normative value, which means that there is zero grounds for using it as proof of CCP's intent on the matter. Of course a third party will not have the insight but it is CCPÆs responsibility to make sure they are aware of such issues. If the work was never signed off does that mean if I send an invoice to CCP they will just pay it? I am not interested in CCPÆs intent the fact is ætheyÆ did publish the information as complete at the time. Over time however things change and it is perfectly reasonable to change such things provided the proper notice is given. LetÆs face it CCP did not provide proper notice and failed its customer base. Eventually it does not matter how good your product is you will suffer in the end. Quote: So you agree that ground combat will be part of the sov system that exists in eve. Therefore a machanic eve players could control is now going to be removed from there control and put in the hands of another entity Quote: Incorrect and non sequitur. Again: it's "part of" not "completely replace". By your logic, since fleet operations will also be "part of" the sov mechanic, Dust does not exist and has no influence on the matter. First lets look at your logic and I quote æDust does not exist and has no influence on the matterÆ. Are you saying that Dust will not control sov at all? By my logic if it is part of the sov then it is indeed an expansion. Maybe you have played to many games like half life but eve is an MMO strangely enough, it is impossible to play without connecting to the server, our ships are stored on the server modules, positions in space etc. Therefore anything that æinteractsÆ with that server especially in an æexpansiveÆ way is indeed an expansion. Of course CCP can always drop the line 'we never charge for expansions'. Would be nice to get some due notice though, sadly is a trend of late.
Menilkir	Posted - 2009.08.26 14:42:00 - [207] Edited by: Menilkir on 26/08/2009 14:42:47 As someone who has never been in anything lower than 0.3 space, don't really care about the Dust 514 game/addition and will probably never see any effect of it either. Also if I wanted to play a FPS...I wouldn't be playing EVE, I'd be on CoD4 :P I would like the idea of being able to walk round stations though, I remember playing a game called Freelancer which I loved but got a bit boring once completed, then I discovered EVE! :D woo hoo. At least your game world isn't getting completely redesigned in the next expansion hehe
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.08.26 14:46:00 - [208] Originally by: Kyax I am not interested in CCP’s intent the fact is ‘they’ did publish the information as complete at the time. You should be interested in the intent, since that's what guided the change. You'll also note that no-one has ever claimed that the information in the guide was in any way incorrect — it accurately described how the game worked… and then the way the game worked changed because the old way wasn't how CCP intended it. Quote: First lets look at your logic and I quote ‘Dust does not exist and has no influence on the matter’. Are you saying that Dust will not control sov at all? By my logic if it is part of the sov then it is indeed an expansion. No, I'm saying that — as Hillmar has stated — Dust will have some influence on sov. Some. As in "not complete". You're saying that the control over sov will be removed from the space-holding alliances, but this is only true if the only thing that determines sov is Dust. If Dust only has some influence, then their control is not complete, which means that the alliances retain some control over their domains. How much the respective "some":s are is yet to be seen, but claiming that alliances will no longer have any say in the sov games is overreaching and overreacting by miles. As for Dust being an expansion — again, if it doesn't require the base game, then it is, by very definition, free-standing. In order to expand on something, you need to have that something to begin with. playing Dust does not require that you also play EVE, so it is not an expansion. It is a separate, parallel, but interconnected game. Quote: Maybe you have played to many games like half life but eve is an MMO strangely enough, it is impossible to play without connecting to the server, our ships are stored on the server modules, positions in space etc. Do you think that Dust will interact directly with your ships, your modules, your positions in space? By the sounds of things, it rather seems like dustbunnies will connect to the Dust server; podders will connect to the EVE server; and then the Dust and EVE servers connect to each other to share some information. Quote: Therefore anything that ‘interacts’ with that server especially in an ‘expansive’ way is indeed an expansion. Shaky definition to begin with — are you claiming that MS Flight Sim is an expansion to the TV weather forecast? After all, they connect to the same servers. Also, I don't quite see how feeding one out of many sov variables one way, and some contracts the other counts as "expansive." The problem here, I feel, is that we have different views on what "EVE" is. For me, it's the game I play. For you, it's the entire universe. For me, unless Dust extends the game I play, it is not an expansion, for you, since it expands the world, it is. I see EVE as one viewport into the game world and Dust as another. You see EVE and the game world as one and the same thing. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tom Sasaki	Posted - 2009.08.26 14:53:00 - [209] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Presidio Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi I now have to pay for an Xbox, Xbox live subscription, and a $60 Halo clone to participate competitively in EVE's endgame. Why are people excited about this bull****? Wow, tone down the sense of entitlement. It's a completely different game. That is going to tie directly into an integral part (sovereignty) of eve. Well at the rate 0.0 is turning only goons & friends will be holding any by the time this game is released so thats a moot point. Heck with their moonincome they can loose a few hundred dreads a week and not notice.. :)
Kyax	Posted - 2009.08.27 00:37:00 - [210] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Kyax I am not interested in CCPÆs intent the fact is ætheyÆ did publish the information as complete at the time. You should be interested in the intent, since that's what guided the change. You'll also note that no-one has ever claimed that the information in the guide was in any way incorrect ù it accurately described how the game workedà and then the way the game worked changed because the old way wasn't how CCP intended it. Even if CCP did intend it at the time it is upto them to change it so the intent is not of much merit. I would though expect them to provide notice to people of the impending change in a professional way, not however many days they arbitratorily chose more like 60 or 90 days. They did give ample notice on changing from 90 days to 60 days GTC's. Is a change in billing not a change in billing? as such deserves the same due care and consideration? CCP of course said it was a bug but the truth is and we will have gone full circle here they did pay somebody and another person in CCP said this was complete. Quote: No, I'm saying that ù as Hillmar has stated ù Dust will have some influence on sov. Some. As in "not complete". You're saying that the control over sov will be removed from the space-holding alliances, but this is only true if the only thing that determines sov is Dust. I did not say that I suggest you read the previous posts. I did say control/influence sov so my view in your mind seems to have polorised. Quote: If Dust only has some influence, then their control is not complete, which means that the alliances retain some control over their domains. How much the respective "some":s are is yet to be seen, but claiming that alliances will no longer have any say in the sov games is overreaching and overreacting by miles. Again I did not say that, what I did say tho is the interaction with the main server makes this an expansion not stand alone product. Hence my previous statements. Quote: As for Dust being an expansion ù again, if it doesn't require the base game, then it is, by very definition, free-standing. In order to expand on something, you need to have that something to begin with. playing Dust does not require that you also play EVE, so it is not an expansion. It is a separate, parallel, but interconnected game. With an MMO I do not see the 'core' game at all, it changes rapidly-sometimes if this was half life or any stand along game I would agree but EVE can only be played online hence my view. The base game is the eve universe and everything that reacts around it. CCP is a company and if it wants to sell the product that is upto them but it is such a woolly term 'free-expansions' they would be better to drop it. Quote: Shaky definition to begin with ù are you claiming that MS Flight Sim is an expansion to the TV weather forecast? After all, they connect to the same servers. Also, I don't quite see how feeding one out of many sov variables one way, and some contracts the other counts as "expansive." Only if MS Flight Sim changes the weather forecast. Quote: The problem here, I feel, is that we have different views on what "EVE" is. For me, it's the game I play. For you, it's the entire universe. For me, unless Dust extends the game I play, it is not an expansion, for you, since it expands the world, it is. I see EVE as one viewport into the game world and Dust as another. You see EVE and the game world as one and the same thing. For me the game I play is the game world and that world is called EVE.
Zartanic	Posted - 2009.08.27 03:06:00 - [211] Edited by: Zartanic on 27/08/2009 03:09:49 EVE players dictate to and control the Dust players. Its exactly the same as using NPC's but a lot more dynamic. So EVE gets the expansion for that for free. Dust in itself is irrelevant to EVE and there is no need to play it at all. It may as well be a game of ping pong, it does not matter. It will not make a bit of difference if you do play it. All that matters is that EVE players control it, which they will. So its not an expansion. Also the changes to Sov have been asked for for a long time and announced a while ago, so why the surprise?
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.27 03:50:00 - [212] Quote: For the xbox, Microsoft will NEVER allow Good reason to reject MicrosoftÆs 360. Another good reason is their dismally high failure rate and their ****y service record. Don't mistake my feelings for the 360 for dislike of the Dust game...I like the idea and the game that I've seen...I just wish it was also developed for my pc.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS	Posted - 2009.08.27 04:14:00 - [213] Edited by: HankMurphy on 27/08/2009 04:15:25 you can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but you can be trolled about dust all of the time. i think thats how that goes... every time someone cries about dust i like to look at my rl wallet and remind myself (since i have a job) i can buy a console and join in like all the other cool people. the priceless butthurt from people that seem to think they are entitled to dust on their pc. somehow they've earned that (though i'm not quite sure what they did to 'earn' it). tell ya what, unless you own stock in ccp stfu. if you do own stock in ccp, stfu and go to a shareholders meeting and tell ppl that give a ** how terrible it would be for ccp to expand their company's horizons not to mention developing a genre shattering cross platform experience that will not only bring more $$ to CCP but more attention (thus popularity and ultimately longer life) to Eve Online. it's not like consoles don't control the majority of the gaming market. ccp would have to be terrible business men to want to get in on that part of the market ---------- Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy mother***r
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.27 04:33:00 - [214] Quote: it's not like consoles don't control the majority of the gaming market. ccp would have to be terrible business men to want to get in on that part of the market lol, this may be true... but name a successful console only mmo.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS	Posted - 2009.08.27 05:01:00 - [215] Originally by: Barbara Nichole Quote: it's not like consoles don't control the majority of the gaming market. ccp would have to be terrible business men to want to get in on that part of the market lol, this may be true... but name a successful console only mmo. probably why they are making a fps ---------- Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy mother*****r
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.08.27 05:19:00 - [216] Originally by: HankMurphy Originally by: Barbara Nichole Quote: it's not like consoles don't control the majority of the gaming market. ccp would have to be terrible business men to want to get in on that part of the market lol, this may be true... but name a successful console only mmo. probably why they are making a fps In that same vein, name a successful mmo that doesn't shard their universe. Or one that has show continuous, strong growth for over 6 years. Oh wait, there is one. And it is made by the same company that is attempting to develop a revolutionary FPS that ties into a persistent (and successful) MMO. Point being, it would probably be unwise to compare the track record of other console games to DUST, or draw any predictions about how well it will do from that. It looks to be an entirely new breed, and all bets are off. The fact is CCP has a track record of taking concepts that were previously thought to be impractical, and not only making the concept work, but making it financially successful. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Ethidium Bromide Amarr ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.27 06:45:00 - [217] 2 points i have to make: - i hope there will be a pc version as i dislike those controler thingies (i simply suck with them) - i hope you implement the sov mechanics very carefully because it would be less than funny to invest tens of 1000s of manhours and then have some stupid idea take it away from you. i am afraid of this new feature tbh because the record you guys have with implementing new features... well you know about it yourselves. fixing and balancing ships is ok and can be done later (you are still fiddling around with carriers) but once sov and other things are involved there is no fixing it once something has happened. i doubt there will be another rollback so i think you could break a lot more with this than gain. Originally by: CCP Prism X 1: "Just train Astrometric Quadilaterationcybbacrypph" 2: "MY MOTHER WAS A SAINT!"
T'Amber Gallente starvald emurlahn	Posted - 2009.08.27 07:13:00 - [218] Originally by: Ethidium Bromide 2 points i have to make: - i hope there will be a pc version as i dislike those controler thingies (i simply suck with them) - i hope you implement the sov mechanics very carefully because it would be less than funny to invest tens of 1000s of manhours and then have some stupid idea take it away from you. i am afraid of this new feature tbh because the record you guys have with implementing new features... well you know about it yourselves. fixing and balancing ships is ok and can be done later (you are still fiddling around with carriers) but once sov and other things are involved there is no fixing it once something has happened. i doubt there will be another rollback so i think you could break a lot more with this than gain. Luckily you can use keyboard and mouse on XBOX, I also suck with controllers... im not sure about the PS/3 tho. T
Jeff Tedford Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.08.27 07:22:00 - [219] this isnt even eve. It's just another game... of course you pay...
Nachshon Caldari Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.27 23:02:00 - [220] Personally, I think this idea is frakking brilliant. Instead of trying use EVE as the basis for planetary warfare, CCP have decided to create an entire second game from scratch, and have them linked. It's completely unprecedented, and I love it. It's also another form of realism. EVE is the only game I can think of where you can command battles involving hundreds of real people. Now they're applying the same principle to planetary warfare. Let's leave aside the fact that Dust is being developed by CCP, and will probably be an excellent and innovative shooter in its own right. The interaction between the two games is what fascinates me. You donÆt need a console and a subscription to fully play EVE. The smart thing is to establish a relationship with a Dust corporation, preferably composed of veteran console gamers. Coordinate with them. Armies and navies in real life have to coordinate for joint operations. This is the same thing. There will be at least one extremely obvious way to stop a bunch of Dustbunnies from taking over your planets û even if you donÆt have Dustbunnies of your own. You intercept their goddamn transports! All you need is the ability to maintain gatecamps. Furthermore, I doubt CCP will enable them to take over a system without fleet support of their own. I am not a console gamer. I donÆt like the controls, IÆm not very good with them, and there is no way I can pay for a second MMO. I will, in all likelihood, not be buying this game. That said, I absolutely cannot wait for it to come out. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom My v
Kyax	Posted - 2009.08.29 12:56:00 - [221] Edited by: Kyax on 29/08/2009 12:57:36 Originally by: Jeff Tedford this isnt even eve. It's just another game... of course you pay... Is it not? Planetary Governor The probable first step for planetary interaction, where you can manage planets from a Station or other suitable structure. Planetary Explorer This would feature flying over planets and interacting with the planetary surface. This will likely follow on from Simple Planetary Interaction. Planetary Commander Planetary RTS or other hybrid game form. Yarr. The long-term crazy professor phase of planetary interaction. This was listed from the EVE-online drawing board located here http://www.eveonline.com/updates/plannedfeat.asp - you never know maybe a non employee of CCP wrote it lol. Of course the money we pay them to develop 'eve' is not enough so rather than pass it off as an expansion as it looks was intended by the developers they decided to sell it off as a new game while trying to maintain that expansions are 'free'. If planetary interaction was not originally going to be a expansion then why is it on a development platform for eve supposedly written by CCP?
Merovee Amarr Gorthaur Legion	Posted - 2009.09.03 20:48:00 - [222] I hate to say this, but this is going to shake up the gaming world. I hope that the tie in with eve and dust is a symbiotic relationship. I can see that one alliance is going to lose members to dust "coughgoonscough" j/k I hope that this new kind of game playing will force alliances to plan their conquest in a deeper manner and that a greater diversity of gamers participate in the strategy. Mordor likes this move. Of Mordor

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