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Crewman Jenkins
Caldari
Malicious Demi-Lancers
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:00:00 -
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but I dont have a console :(
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Franco Caruso
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:07:00 -
[62]
 Originally by: Proxay
The one thing I'm hoping for, is that corporations on this game can't exceed a certain size, as much as I'd love to imagine that it's to be as open as possible, lets pretend 1/5th of Goonswarm play...you've got a 1000 man team, against your...what...200? You'd have to be damn good, and this isn't counter-strike either, consoles are pretty horrible for FPS's and twitch reactions. So you'd be outblobbed totally. I think a 50-200 man limit on corps would be awesome.
I think that CCP learned a thing or two about blob warfare that they do not want to have or bring along into any other game since it's a show stopping game mechanic invented by players.
FC
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Zaiyo Modi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:12:00 -
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Edited by: Zaiyo Modi on 19/08/2009 10:15:31
I want to voice my eh concern about issues in geneal.
What I do not like about playing a game is to be put in a position or be left to have no expectations.
And I did not have my capital ships built so that they could be fed into some crazed alliance hot dropping fest.
I feel the pacing of combat is wrong. An example is how the feature of ranged guns and manouvering of a ship is nullified as a feaatured game mechanic, when all an opposing party need to close range is a single cov ops ship dropping a probe in a few seconds or something. Perchance probes could be made more useless in the future, when used around a gate to prevent this, due to stargate flux interferences.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:23:00 -
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Keep in mind without his and others greed EVE would not even exist.
However I will not buy a console, so therefore I will not buy DUST.
Most of the major sov holding alliances have billions if not trillions in their coffers. It won't hurt them much to pay some mercenaries depending on how much such pay is.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:24:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Aalana
Edited by: Aalana on 19/08/2009 01:12:49
(To start a quote from the krawall.de interview with Hilmar, CCP's CEO).
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1153056
K: From all those things you could have added to Eve, why you decided for a console shooter?
PTtursson: A shooter is from all game types the far[th]est from what is Eve. Exactly this is the reason. We wanted to do something completly different. We wanted a whole new group of players encounter the world of Eve and enrich it. This way we can let player that aren't interested in PC games take part in Eve Online.
There you have it. Plain and simple. CCP wants to expand it's player base, again, and make more $$$$.
In response a 0.0 EVE player can choose:
1. be armtwisted into either buying ANOTHER CCP game to have a direct say in 0.0 sov,
2. dump a ton of isk into NOT PLAYING EVE i.e. Pay mercs
3. letting go of your 0.0 space or plans to conquer it.
At best this looks like a rough deal and at worst blackmail.
If you want to have a direct say in the proposed sov changes this will effect every single 0.0 alliance player to the tune of $14ish/month for a DUST MMO subscription to a ******ng CONSOLE game.
Edit clarity & grammar.
Wow, CCP want to make money? I am shocked! 
You seem to be living a fantay life where such things are new to you? Get real.
You also jump to unbased conculcions.
Stop failing at posting and understanding, imo.
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Clansworth
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:26:00 -
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I think it's funny criticizing the creators of Eve Online, which, at it's core, is a sandbox allowing/encouraging greedy underhanded dealing, for being greedy...
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Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Aalana
2. dump a ton of isk into NOT PLAYING EVE i.e. Pay mercs
When you think about it a kestrel worth of isk should buy loads and loads of guns and trucks. 
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Ekeim
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:36:00 -
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I'm pretty cynical, but even I boggle at the amount of cynicism it would take to twist that statement around and say it's a money grab.
He's expressing that he believes in the story and the general IP they have built up around eve. Given that space sims aren't for everyone, they're building another game in a completely different gameplay category that ties into the same universe. By letting the two co-mingle, hopefully fans of either gametype can get together and build a larger, more diverse community as they work toward at least semi-common goals.
Oh, the horror.
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ekeim
I'm pretty cynical, but even I boggle at the amount of cynicism it would take to twist that statement around and say it's a money grab.
He's expressing that he believes in the story and the general IP they have built up around eve. Given that space sims aren't for everyone, they're building another game in a completely different gameplay category that ties into the same universe. By letting the two co-mingle, hopefully fans of either gametype can get together and build a larger, more diverse community as they work toward at least semi-common goals.
Oh, the horror.
Its mostly the big 0.0 guys that are scared they will loose thir currently easy to hold sov that is complaining, quite pathetic really, when they know nothing of what is comming and how the changes will occur.
I applaud CCP for making an effort to expand the EVE universe. EVE has so much potential, and this just goes to show ehere it might be possible to expande upon EVE universe. I liek it, even if I am not a huge console fan myself.
But the dimvits who draw conclusions based on no facts, like OP, are just scard they will loose a few systems. And this fear show by the sudden jump that CCP is all aobut money, as a way to try and blacklist this new console thing.
Quite pathetic, reminds me of how creationists defend their stupid ideas (equally pathetic).
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Zaiyo Modi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:44:00 -
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Lets hope ccp doesn't manufacture Soylent Green in rl, else there would be an incentive to have people die sooner so that the growth of human kind can be sustatined and/or expanded.
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Sasha Black
Black Nova Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:53:00 -
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You can pay mercs all you want ū you still need an alliance of sufficient size to physically control and utilize a given area of space. Without that itĘs all a bit pointless. Seams odd that you give control of an aspect of the game to an external player base ū I mean its going to have to be a dammed good fps in its own right to attract players form the myriad of other FPS, just so they can help influence something that has nothing to do with there own gaming experience.
The whole idea is very odd. CCP are having an identity crises ū right now they are a one trick pony ū they live or die with eve. ItĘs only understandable they want to create other games to diversify there revenue stream. But I am not at all sure this is the way to do it. Now more then ever eve feels like a cash cow, and bootstrapping other games onto it instead of concentrating on developing your core product seams desperate. LetĘs face it ū eve (still the best MMO of its type) could certainly use some development. It lost that roomy empty feel a long time ago and lacks many good features of other Elite type games.
ItĘs a radical idea and who knows how it will turn out ū but itĘs so strangely integrated that it looks like a case of ęjumping the sharkĘ rather then a logical expansion.
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Dionisius
Gallente
Saiyans United
death from above..
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Zaiyo Modi
Lets hope ccp doesn't manufacture Soylent Green in rl, else there would be an incentive to have people die sooner so that the growth of human kind can be sustatined and/or expanded.
Great band! \m/0.0\m/
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Vyktor Abyss
Gallente
The Abyss Corporation
Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Capot
MATT DAMON
Winner! 
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Reiisha
Evolution
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Reiisha on 19/08/2009 11:23:25
Originally by: Aalana
senseless drivel
Translation: I NEVER WANT CCP TO MAKE ANY MORE GAMES EVER EVER! WHAAAA! WHAAA!
Since when is expanding the EVE playerbase with 100k+ people a bad thing? Or is it the bog-standard "i don't like you if you're too succesful" thing which so many people like to do?
Or are you saying that CCP isn't allowed to make any money? Have you ever thought while working on your job that "hey, i'll go ask that i never ever get a raise!"?
And about the actual "money grab" thing.... Do you really thing that making an entirely new concept of a console MMOFPS based on an IP that almost no one knows about is a sure fire success? CCP spent a lot of money developing this game and took a huge risk - If it was a money grab they could have just not developed it and never made the Shanghai studio?
Is EVE full of escaped mental patients?
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Cute Cuddles
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:26:00 -
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CCP is a business after all; they're here to make money not to do you any favors. Expanding your customer base is a primary goal of ANY business. If you don't like where the product is going, don't buy it -- that simple. Most of us still will, and while I believe this will only improve the depth of EVE and capital for further projects, I'll hold my judgment until we get more details. Right now much is speculation.
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Generalissima
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Generalissima on 19/08/2009 11:36:44
Yeah, seems these days the MMO industry is just a big business.
It's not at all about making a great game that naturally attracts lots of players, who as a consequence, make the publisher a lot of money.
No, now it's all about the shortest path to your VISA card, by hook or by crook, via RMT schemes, and now, with EVE, with a whole new ground game that isn't even playable on the platform the existing, 6 year old MMO is on, that yet will have sovereignty influence on that game.
That, frankly, is BEYOND even John Smedley and SOE's level of evilness. And they (to this point) have been the gold and platinum standard for evil greed.
Sorry, Hilmar, sorry, CCP, but today the innocence was lost. We used to look at you guys as being different than the likes of SOE, EA, and the rest, but you are exactly the same. Worse in many ways, since you worked on this for 3 years BEHIND OUR BACKS which means there is no way in HELL anything we say is going to have any effect on your implementation of it.
Except in the one way that we can. CANCEL.
Consider that you have MANY former Star Wars Galaxies players among your subscribers. We've been done this way once. We WARNED SOE what would happen if they went ahead with the NGE. We are now warning YOU as to what will inevitably happen to EVE and your company if you go ahead with this suicidal plan to mix "console kiddz" with a serious PC MMORPG, and give them an EXCLUSIVE way to affect OUR gameplay with us unable to do anything at all about it directly except by the UNACCEPTABLE means of buying a console and a whole other game.
As of now it's not yet too late to head this off in a positive manner. It's not too late to port this to PC. Many console games have been ported to PC, and that means not wasting your 3 years of development investment. Make this the long desired EVE ground game expansion. Hell, sell the box in stores, I wouldn't mind paying for it, but make it part of the basic EVE subscription fee. Even release it for consoles, let them play too, but don't shut us, your current, existing, 300,000+ strong loyal customers from this.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Generalissima
Yeah, seems these days for the last 15 years the MMO industry is just a big business.
Fix'd.
And LMAO at how providing one input variable into the sov mechanics is construed as having the same effect on a game as removing 80% of its content and completely revaming the remaining 20%.
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Sophia Truthspeaker
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:43:00 -
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I think the nay sayer are overlooking a few things.
Isk in 0.0 has been in the moons for quite a while now. Even if planets are going to be the main income resource in the future, so what? The control has always been on the gates. Let those worms have their little kingdoms. We rule the stars! If they don't pay the tribute due to us, bomb them, siege them, park a titan in front of the sun until they are back in the stoneage.
Furthermore I can't believe magical teleportation will be available on planets. So they will have to come to us to get from one planet to another or spend month flying.
They will be like little kids to us. And as such, we will have to educate them. The Eve way. Jettison troublesomes into space and watch the conti slowly loose air. If they want to get to a faction warfare planet, charge them a hefty sum and then sell their bodies to bloodraiders or sanshas.
We will be like gods to them. I plan to enjoy it, and you?
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Lord Takani
Caldari
DOOMSDAY.
Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Aalana
Edited by: Aalana on 19/08/2009 01:12:49
There you have it. Plain and simple. CCP wants to expand it's player base, again, and make more $$$$.
Thanks to that $$$$ you can still play this game each day. We get new content almost every 6 months, you can have massive fleet fights without much lag ( when servers are running on the blades ) enz enz enz....
In summary, thanks to the $$$ ccp and therefore eve still exists. A company's goal is to make profit and expand. Can you blame them? CCP aint a charity.
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Malios45
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:46:00 -
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Deal with it. The player base hasn't received any details about how specifically the new sov mechanics will work. Do yourself a favor and wait for the fan fest or details on the winter expansion before you tell us that CCP shot your dog and ****d your mother.
Also keep in mind that as a player CCP doesn't owe you a thing except your playtime. Don't think for a second that you're entitled to anything else.
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Generalissima
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:47:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Generalissima
Yeah, seems these days for the last 15 years the MMO industry is just a big business.
Fix'd.
And LMAO at how providing one input variable into the sov mechanics is construed as having the same effect on a game as removing 80% of its content and completely revaming the remaining 20%.
You are, of course, assuming that the input is going to be minor.
I am assuming that it isn't. Why? They have to have something major to sell to the "console kiddz". They won't be happy fighting it out on a planet whilst screaming over their XBox Live headsets that mommy won't get them their "chocolate milk" if it's for 5% influence on system sovereignty. Or 10%. Or 20%. I expect it will be at least 50%.
I find your argument to be false in premise in the first place. It's unethical for CCP to give them even .0000001% influence in 0.0. It's a SEPARATE game not even being offered for the PC, and it should remain just that, SEPARATE.
And, no, CCP isn't (yet) gutting 80% of the current game systems as SOE did, but when you think of how 0.0 works, and how a lot of us enjoy the wars amongst ourselves for control of it as our endgame, this very VERY much could amount to the same level of "ripping away" the NGE was.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Generalissima
"We" are warning...
I see only you, a scared guy that know nothing of the facts about waht is going down.
And if its news to you that MMO makers want to make money? Wow, you really are slow. Why else would they keep EVE running if it does not make money?
I for one will wait until I see more facts before speaking such nonsens as you just did.
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Generalissima
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Malios45
Deal with it. The player base hasn't received any details about how specifically the new sov mechanics will work. Do yourself a favor and wait for the fan fest or details on the winter expansion before you tell us that CCP shot your dog and ****d your mother.
Also keep in mind that as a player CCP doesn't owe you a thing except your playtime. Don't think for a second that you're entitled to anything else.
I read the same king of lemming like arguments back on the SWG boards when the NGE was announced with a similar lack of details.
No, this won't wait for fanfest.
That is in October. CCP had damn well better have a detailed explanation as to what they are proposing TODAY. Yes, you heard me right, TODAY. The longer they let these forums melt and implode the worse off they are going to be. I've seen this happen before.
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:52:00 -
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Soon is a trademark of CCP, you will have your detailed explanation of dust "soon".
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Grez
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Grez on 19/08/2009 11:53:44
More $ means more $ being spent on EVE.
If you don't think this is a good thing, you're quite frankly stupid.
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cBOLTSON
Caldari
SCUM. ACADEMY
SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ohne
A corporation wants to make money?
I cant belive it!
On a serious note, this idea is awesome and I cant wait for it.
Same here!
Would love to fight the 'BIG ALLIANCES' in an fps =D
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Generalissima
You are, of course, assuming that the input is going to be minor.
I am assuming that it isn't. Why? They have to have something major to sell to the "console kiddz". They won't be happy fighting it out on a planet whilst screaming over their XBox Live headsets that mommy won't get them their "chocolate milk" if it's for 5% influence on system sovereignty. Or 10%. Or 20%. I expect it will be at least 50%.
As someone who has actually played a game with the kind of territorial fighting that Dust seems to revolve around, I can say that: yes. Yes they will. They would happily settle for 0%, but then it wouldn't play into CCP's vision of a unified universe.
I'm not assuming the input is going to be minor — I'm assuming that it will make no more or less difference than the other mechanics involved in sovereignty that Hillmar enumerated. In addition, if you can draw false analogies to NGE, I can draw false analogies to PS and say that your assumption about how large the influence has to be is completely false.
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T'san Manaan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.19 12:01:00 -
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1. Wow, a thread where Goonfleet is the voice of logic and reason, now I've seen it all :)
2. Everyone needs to chill out until we get some concrete facts on the level of interaction.
3. Of course CCP wants to make more money, and you should want them to make profit aswell. The more money they make the more they can invest in the EVE universe which is good for everybody.
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Geldar Wroontik
Gallente
Galactic System Lords Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.19 12:01:00 -
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So many tears, so little time.
You do realise that none of you whingers are in a position to demand anything of CCP, right? There are, what, maybe a dozen, two dozen of you who have "threatened" to quit today over Dust. There were at least two thousand times as many people logged on to EVE when I first logged on this morning. You're a drop in the ocean, a minority, and CCP is a business that has been working on Dust for quite some time now. They and they alone have the right to decide when further information is released, and no amount of shouting or tantrums will change that.
But you know what? Out of all the people who have threatened to ragequit today, I think only a few of them actually meant it. Why? You've been playing this game for quite some time now, and you've put a lot of effort into getting where you are. You may have a faction ship or two with faction fittings, worth a ton. You've spent ages training your skills up so you can fly well. You're going to give all that up just because CCP are releasing a console FPS that is linked to EVE and will have some effect on sovereignty, before we even know how much of an effect it has?
No, I don't think so. I think you're bluffing, beating your chest in an attempt to get CCP to notice you and bend to your demands.
Not happening. Deal with it.
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Generalissima
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.19 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Geldar Wroontik
So many tears, so little time.
You do realise that none of you whingers are in a position to demand anything of CCP, right? There are, what, maybe a dozen, two dozen of you who have "threatened" to quit today over Dust. There were at least two thousand times as many people logged on to EVE when I first logged on this morning. You're a drop in the ocean, a minority, and CCP is a business that has been working on Dust for quite some time now. They and they alone have the right to decide when further information is released, and no amount of shouting or tantrums will change that.
But you know what? Out of all the people who have threatened to ragequit today, I think only a few of them actually meant it. Why? You've been playing this game for quite some time now, and you've put a lot of effort into getting where you are. You may have a faction ship or two with faction fittings, worth a ton. You've spent ages training your skills up so you can fly well. You're going to give all that up just because CCP are releasing a console FPS that is linked to EVE and will have some effect on sovereignty, before we even know how much of an effect it has?
No, I don't think so. I think you're bluffing, beating your chest in an attempt to get CCP to notice you and bend to your demands.
Not happening. Deal with it.
Actually, having gone through the SWG NGE fiasco once, it will be far easier for me to quit this time, since I won't buy any of the Dev lies that they will "make it better", etc. Those tricks won't work now.
If they follow through with this, if they keep it console exclusive, AND if it is going to have ANY impact on 0.0 sov, I will quit, and no, you can't have my stuff, I'll let it all rot somewhere so that CCP at least has to maintain it in their database, which will at least cost them something.
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