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crice
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Posted - 2004.10.11 23:59:00 -
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CCP have you considered marketing in the USA? I have been in a few other online games, just checking things out. The % of people that know what EVE is, was around 13%.
The first question I asked was where are you from, Response USA. The ones that have heard of EVE were not in the USA.
I picked up this game along time ago based on the box at a local Best Buy (Retail Store) Seems EVE is all about word of mouth. I assume you might not be marketing because of bandwith? Maybe money? There is a large volume of people out there that have interest in a game like EVE (there is no other game like it).
Maybe your planning on marketing after Shiva, which would make sense. I know corps like Sony advertise on TV, although they have very deep pockets.
Business is Business. If you want more subscribers, market just a little in the USA and I would bet my account that the response to EVE would be Huge.
Just a thought. We would all like to see more EVEr's.
On a note: Please consider and empire region without Sentry guns for the pirate folks, make the market with some hot trade items that are worth the risk. I lost to many friends that pirated because of game mechanics. We understand keeping the newbies happy.
Crice
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crice
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Posted - 2004.10.11 23:59:00 -
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CCP have you considered marketing in the USA? I have been in a few other online games, just checking things out. The % of people that know what EVE is, was around 13%.
The first question I asked was where are you from, Response USA. The ones that have heard of EVE were not in the USA.
I picked up this game along time ago based on the box at a local Best Buy (Retail Store) Seems EVE is all about word of mouth. I assume you might not be marketing because of bandwith? Maybe money? There is a large volume of people out there that have interest in a game like EVE (there is no other game like it).
Maybe your planning on marketing after Shiva, which would make sense. I know corps like Sony advertise on TV, although they have very deep pockets.
Business is Business. If you want more subscribers, market just a little in the USA and I would bet my account that the response to EVE would be Huge.
Just a thought. We would all like to see more EVEr's.
On a note: Please consider and empire region without Sentry guns for the pirate folks, make the market with some hot trade items that are worth the risk. I lost to many friends that pirated because of game mechanics. We understand keeping the newbies happy.
Crice
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.10.12 00:01:00 -
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well anyone in the US who was up to speed with MMO news a few years back when EVE was originally being developed, aught to know about it...
but yeah, after release it just kinda fell off the map.
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To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.10.12 00:01:00 -
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well anyone in the US who was up to speed with MMO news a few years back when EVE was originally being developed, aught to know about it...
but yeah, after release it just kinda fell off the map.
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To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
~~William Blake |
crice
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Posted - 2004.10.12 00:04:00 -
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Most of us US guys, just get in the car and head down to the local retail outlet and check out what is new on the shelf. I don't buy the magazines like PCGamer. Most retail outlets will let you come in and promote your game.
Crice
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crice
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Posted - 2004.10.12 00:04:00 -
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Most of us US guys, just get in the car and head down to the local retail outlet and check out what is new on the shelf. I don't buy the magazines like PCGamer. Most retail outlets will let you come in and promote your game.
Crice
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Vorak
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Posted - 2004.10.12 00:23:00 -
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After shiva comes out, CCP should try to get an EVE Demo in one of the US gamer magazines.
That would really help us players from the pacific time zones.
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Vorak
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Posted - 2004.10.12 00:23:00 -
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After shiva comes out, CCP should try to get an EVE Demo in one of the US gamer magazines.
That would really help us players from the pacific time zones.
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Der Ewige
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Posted - 2004.10.12 00:47:00 -
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The reason why CCP don't selle any copys of eve in the USA is that the EVE is to complicated for teh average USA mmorpg player.
Market analyses have shown that US gamers dont want to spend any time in learning a game. Everything that needs more than 5 minuts of work to understand is to much for them. ^^
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Der Ewige
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Posted - 2004.10.12 00:47:00 -
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The reason why CCP don't selle any copys of eve in the USA is that the EVE is to complicated for teh average USA mmorpg player.
Market analyses have shown that US gamers dont want to spend any time in learning a game. Everything that needs more than 5 minuts of work to understand is to much for them. ^^
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Kuggington
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Posted - 2004.10.12 00:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Der Ewige
The reason why CCP don't selle any copys of eve in the USA is that the EVE is to complicated for teh average USA mmorpg player.
Market analyses have shown that US gamers dont want to spend any time in learning a game. Everything that needs more than 5 minuts of work to understand is to much for them. ^^
I take offense to that. I guess I'm one of the few patient US gamers, and a teenager at that.
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Kuggington
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Posted - 2004.10.12 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Der Ewige
The reason why CCP don't selle any copys of eve in the USA is that the EVE is to complicated for teh average USA mmorpg player.
Market analyses have shown that US gamers dont want to spend any time in learning a game. Everything that needs more than 5 minuts of work to understand is to much for them. ^^
I take offense to that. I guess I'm one of the few patient US gamers, and a teenager at that.
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Spurna
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Posted - 2004.10.12 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Der Ewige
The reason why CCP don't selle any copys of eve in the USA is that the EVE is to complicated for teh average USA mmorpg player.
Market analyses have shown that US gamers dont want to spend any time in learning a game. Everything that needs more than 5 minuts of work to understand is to much for them. ^^
I agree with Crice. There is no advertising for EVE in the US. It has nothing to do with the ignorance you just typed, Der Ewige.  People have just never heard of it.
The UK version of PC Gamer just had a 4-5 page article on EVE, where the US version of that mag has nothing. I think I saw a small paragraph in the latest Computer Gaming World, but that's about it. 
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Spurna
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Posted - 2004.10.12 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Der Ewige
The reason why CCP don't selle any copys of eve in the USA is that the EVE is to complicated for teh average USA mmorpg player.
Market analyses have shown that US gamers dont want to spend any time in learning a game. Everything that needs more than 5 minuts of work to understand is to much for them. ^^
I agree with Crice. There is no advertising for EVE in the US. It has nothing to do with the ignorance you just typed, Der Ewige. People have just never heard of it.
The UK version of PC Gamer just had a 4-5 page article on EVE, where the US version of that mag has nothing. I think I saw a small paragraph in the latest Computer Gaming World, but that's about it.
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Zeiro
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Posted - 2004.10.12 00:58:00 -
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Zeiro
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Posted - 2004.10.12 00:58:00 -
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Fuse
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Posted - 2004.10.12 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Der Ewige
The reason why CCP don't selle any copys of eve in the USA is that the EVE is to complicated for teh average USA mmorpg player.
Market analyses have shown that US gamers dont want to spend any time in learning a game. Everything that needs more than 5 minuts of work to understand is to much for them. ^^
Who did the analysis your cousin? At least we know how to use a spell check.
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Fuse
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Posted - 2004.10.12 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Der Ewige
The reason why CCP don't selle any copys of eve in the USA is that the EVE is to complicated for teh average USA mmorpg player.
Market analyses have shown that US gamers dont want to spend any time in learning a game. Everything that needs more than 5 minuts of work to understand is to much for them. ^^
Who did the analysis your cousin? At least we know how to use a spell check.
0.o It's not you... no wait it is you. |
Leno
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Posted - 2004.10.12 01:09:00 -
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i bought this game b/c i wanted freelancer but with bigger ships, and this looked like it. It turned out to be almost nothing like it, but i ended up loving it anyway. Despite what you said, people in the US are actually smarter then u think (granted plenty of idiots, but out of 300million people, you get a few)
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Leno
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Posted - 2004.10.12 01:09:00 -
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i bought this game b/c i wanted freelancer but with bigger ships, and this looked like it. It turned out to be almost nothing like it, but i ended up loving it anyway. Despite what you said, people in the US are actually smarter then u think (granted plenty of idiots, but out of 300million people, you get a few)
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.10.12 01:19:00 -
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I find Ewige's statment offenseive too. thats really no better than euro-bashers.
there MIGHT be a tendency to have more demand for immediate reward type games... sure, but there are large quantitys of serious gamers who want a game that takes thinking.
alot of times it is also the older people as well.
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Most of us US guys, just get in the car and head down to the local retail outlet and check out what is new on the shelf. I don't buy the magazines like PCGamer. Most retail outlets will let you come in and promote your game.
really? I've NEVER approached PC games in this way, and I haven't spent my own money on a Console game since the 32x. and most of the gamers I've had offline association with are either console types, or LAN party types. ... or the kind that rather make their own game....
I would concur that doing some advertising once shiva is rolling, could help alot. but doing SOMETHING to try to make the overall situation towards new people a bit less toxic, might be good as well.(and no, my n00bs shouldn't be in BS's opinion is not toxic in that manner, quite the contrary)
one does have to consider that those people who play FPS's or RTS's are not likely to get into an MMO, especially one with a steep learning curve. throw out the market share of Console-ers too. but there are NOT many space/future/scifi set MMO's at the moment. that I can think of, theres EVE, SWG... Maybe neocron would count? (another euro-developed game thats almost entirely unadvertised in the states)
there isn't alot of competittion. and while Middle-Earth/D&D setting is forever, Scifi set is a different mindset, and DOES fit better for the "thinky" style.
1) American advertising at all.
2) Advertising targeted to the older segment. College and up, sure some teenagers play EVE and other Complex MMO's, but there are a greater portion of those who stick with it, who are college age or older.
3) advertise to FEMALE gamers. thinky games DO tend to draw a higher female population. this one less so than, ATITD for example, but its alot better on that front than many MMO's.
maybe "remind" people like the guys at Penny Arcade that Shiva is out (but wait til its at least decently stable and such...) and/or other webcomics.
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To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
~~William Blake |
Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.10.12 01:19:00 -
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I find Ewige's statment offenseive too. thats really no better than euro-bashers.
there MIGHT be a tendency to have more demand for immediate reward type games... sure, but there are large quantitys of serious gamers who want a game that takes thinking.
alot of times it is also the older people as well.
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Most of us US guys, just get in the car and head down to the local retail outlet and check out what is new on the shelf. I don't buy the magazines like PCGamer. Most retail outlets will let you come in and promote your game.
really? I've NEVER approached PC games in this way, and I haven't spent my own money on a Console game since the 32x. and most of the gamers I've had offline association with are either console types, or LAN party types. ... or the kind that rather make their own game....
I would concur that doing some advertising once shiva is rolling, could help alot. but doing SOMETHING to try to make the overall situation towards new people a bit less toxic, might be good as well.(and no, my n00bs shouldn't be in BS's opinion is not toxic in that manner, quite the contrary)
one does have to consider that those people who play FPS's or RTS's are not likely to get into an MMO, especially one with a steep learning curve. throw out the market share of Console-ers too. but there are NOT many space/future/scifi set MMO's at the moment. that I can think of, theres EVE, SWG... Maybe neocron would count? (another euro-developed game thats almost entirely unadvertised in the states)
there isn't alot of competittion. and while Middle-Earth/D&D setting is forever, Scifi set is a different mindset, and DOES fit better for the "thinky" style.
1) American advertising at all.
2) Advertising targeted to the older segment. College and up, sure some teenagers play EVE and other Complex MMO's, but there are a greater portion of those who stick with it, who are college age or older.
3) advertise to FEMALE gamers. thinky games DO tend to draw a higher female population. this one less so than, ATITD for example, but its alot better on that front than many MMO's.
maybe "remind" people like the guys at Penny Arcade that Shiva is out (but wait til its at least decently stable and such...) and/or other webcomics.
~~~~~
To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
~~William Blake |
Alustrious
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Posted - 2004.10.12 01:31:00 -
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silly crice =)
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Alustrious
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Posted - 2004.10.12 01:31:00 -
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silly crice =)
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.10.12 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Slithereen on 12/10/2004 01:42:20
US is particularly franchise-name conscious, and EVE has no brand consciousness or recognition in most American minds at all, where the predominant idea of Sci-Fi is still Star Trek or Star Wars. We already have a Star Wars MMOG, and yes, there will be a Star Trek MMOG.
http://games.slashdot.org/games/04/09/07/127230.shtml?tid=209
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"Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies,
"Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.
"Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.10.12 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Slithereen on 12/10/2004 01:42:20
US is particularly franchise-name conscious, and EVE has no brand consciousness or recognition in most American minds at all, where the predominant idea of Sci-Fi is still Star Trek or Star Wars. We already have a Star Wars MMOG, and yes, there will be a Star Trek MMOG.
http://games.slashdot.org/games/04/09/07/127230.shtml?tid=209
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"Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies,
"Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.
"Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
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Feyd Darkholme
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Posted - 2004.10.12 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Der Ewige
The reason why CCP don't selle any copys of eve in the USA is that the EVE is to complicated for teh average USA mmorpg player.
Market analyses have shown that US gamers dont want to spend any time in learning a game. Everything that needs more than 5 minuts of work to understand is to much for them. ^^
Firstly, I'll have to take umbrage with that statement... No need for USA bashing, or any country bashing. We are bred to dislike each other by our poiticians and our media outlets... and we all know how corrupt they are, no matter what country you live in. We are not as different as our leaders would have us believe... anyhow. Thta being said, lets not hijack this thread with this sort of talk...
Actually I found that EVE was quite a bit less complicated than I originally thought and was led to believe, which I found sort of disappointing at first. Especially in the case of manufacturing, resources gathering and research I found them to be quite lacking in the "depth & complexity" department. Hopefully with Shiva and beyond this will change.
As for marketing int he US, not many MMOGs do a lot of marketing in the US anyways, so I'm not sure that CCP is really missing out on much. Most gamers, and especially MMOGers frequently use the internet to look for new games to play, and if you can't find EVE on the internet if you're looking into new MMOGs then you should probably pack up your PC and step away... I've always found word-of-mouth to be the best marketing tool ever, closely followed by the internet.
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Feyd Darkholme
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Posted - 2004.10.12 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Der Ewige
The reason why CCP don't selle any copys of eve in the USA is that the EVE is to complicated for teh average USA mmorpg player.
Market analyses have shown that US gamers dont want to spend any time in learning a game. Everything that needs more than 5 minuts of work to understand is to much for them. ^^
Firstly, I'll have to take umbrage with that statement... No need for USA bashing, or any country bashing. We are bred to dislike each other by our poiticians and our media outlets... and we all know how corrupt they are, no matter what country you live in. We are not as different as our leaders would have us believe... anyhow. Thta being said, lets not hijack this thread with this sort of talk...
Actually I found that EVE was quite a bit less complicated than I originally thought and was led to believe, which I found sort of disappointing at first. Especially in the case of manufacturing, resources gathering and research I found them to be quite lacking in the "depth & complexity" department. Hopefully with Shiva and beyond this will change.
As for marketing int he US, not many MMOGs do a lot of marketing in the US anyways, so I'm not sure that CCP is really missing out on much. Most gamers, and especially MMOGers frequently use the internet to look for new games to play, and if you can't find EVE on the internet if you're looking into new MMOGs then you should probably pack up your PC and step away... I've always found word-of-mouth to be the best marketing tool ever, closely followed by the internet.
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Maliko
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Posted - 2004.10.12 01:55:00 -
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I have to agree with Freyd here. I hardly ever see any advertisements for any MMOG here in the U.S. The only way I found out about EVE was from word of mouth. (well word of text heh). Not very many people have hardly heard of EVE in the U.S. Although, MMOG's like SWG, lots of people in the U.S. have heard about that. I really do think CCP should do some advertising here in the U.S., I gaurantee they would get a lot more gamers playing.
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Maliko
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Posted - 2004.10.12 01:55:00 -
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I have to agree with Freyd here. I hardly ever see any advertisements for any MMOG here in the U.S. The only way I found out about EVE was from word of mouth. (well word of text heh). Not very many people have hardly heard of EVE in the U.S. Although, MMOG's like SWG, lots of people in the U.S. have heard about that. I really do think CCP should do some advertising here in the U.S., I gaurantee they would get a lot more gamers playing.
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