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Cat o'Ninetails Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2009.08.20 21:32:00 - [1] Hi, cat here. I was thinking earlier about various things in eve and I think it is getting pretty complicated. Apart from having to worry about pirates, there are hundreds of blueprints, skills, modules, solar systems, and ships etc. There are many more things that just make the game more complicated too lol i was just giving examples. This is quite a lot for people to deal with. And now there are different sizes of rigs which could just boggle a players brain lol x Yay! Six months of defending! \o/ <3 to Abrazzar!
minerboob Gallente LG Industries	Posted - 2009.08.20 21:33:00 - [2] Yes, can I have your stuff?
Lexa Hellfury Incura	Posted - 2009.08.20 21:34:00 - [3] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails could just boggle a players brain lol Hi, Lexa here, Fortunately 90% of the Eve player-base is not weighed down by the presence of a "brain". Originally by: RedSplat The Forum moderation Software known as Mitnal became self aware. CCP had no choice but to shut it down.
Unity Love Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.08.20 21:35:00 - [4] Yes. I've been playing 4 years and have 5m sp in science but still dont have a clue about the invention lark.
Vous	Posted - 2009.08.20 21:35:00 - [5] The game doesn't cater for kids, good stuff.
Amitious Turkey Gallente TarNec New Eden Retail Federation	Posted - 2009.08.20 21:50:00 - [6] Edited by: Amitious Turkey on 20/08/2009 21:50:41 Originally by: minerboob Yes, can I have your stuff? Hang on, I thought you were the guy asking about why his exp bar disappeared? I think EVE is waaay complicated, but that's why I play it. And it's complicated because people control the game more than the devs. BECAUSE OF FALCONDUST! Originally by: CCP Navigator We love you all as well <3 GO NAVIGATOR <3
Joxiah Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:00:00 - [7] Edited by: Joxiah on 20/08/2009 22:04:12 Honestly the reason I like it so much is I feel lost 90% of the time and the other 10% is me being excited because I figured it out. Dont change a thing as it brought thinking back to the gaming genre for me. Sometimes its better to be complicated than simple honestly. Nothing is impossible to figure out though.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:02:00 - [8] Originally by: Vous The game doesn't cater to morons, good stuff. Fixed. Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
jacobean	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:03:00 - [9] nope its getting easier when i started they tutorials where rubbish now they are more in depth keep up the good work ccp.
Cat o'Ninetails Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:04:00 - [10] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Vous The game doesn't cater to morons, good stuff. Fixed. hi zeba ive meant to talk to you but since you didnt answer my evemail... why did you wardec rancer defence league Yay! Six months of defending! \o/ <3 to Abrazzar!

Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:20:00 - [11] The more confused new players are the better, it helps turn them into sadistic PvPing twits rather than a bunch of ***gy carebears.
Toonces Otama	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:27:00 - [12] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Vous The game doesn't cater to morons, good stuff. Fixed. This. Part of the reason the game is so much fun is its compexity. To suggest it is overly complex seriously makes me question if this is simply a troll post. I seriously can't beleive the OP is that devoid of intellect.
Zartanic	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:44:00 - [13] You need intellect to play this game? Why didn't someone tell me? Anyway I like it as it is because it puts off the lazy WOW players who wander here looking for space gnomes. I ran away from them and I really hope they never follow me.
Suas Perkone	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:50:00 - [14] Stop posting, Cat'o'terribadness.
mcnuggetlol Amarr The Penumbra Initiative	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:59:00 - [15] When I started playing I didn't have a clue what the **** was going on. Still don't, really.
Minnie Skirt	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:00:00 - [16] Originally by: Unity Love Yes. I've been playing 4 years and have 5m sp in science but still dont have a clue about the invention lark. I can't even look outside a station I have 9+ standing with so in order to see if the auto-gank, err heavy interdictor is outside the station I have to undock. Yep, there's technology at work.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:02:00 - [17] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Vous The game doesn't cater to morons, good stuff. Fixed. hi zeba ive meant to talk to you but since you didnt answer my evemail... why did you wardec rancer defence league So I could blow you up in rancer without making my low sec status go even lower. But alas you are never there. Fake edit: No evemail from you in my inbox. Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
Cors It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:03:00 - [18] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails Hi, cat here. I was thinking earlier about various things in eve and I think it is getting pretty complicated. Apart from having to worry about pirates, there are hundreds of blueprints, skills, modules, solar systems, and ships etc. There are many more things that just make the game more complicated too lol i was just giving examples. This is quite a lot for people to deal with. And now there are different sizes of rigs which could just boggle a players brain lol x New players log in, and mine, rat, mission *****, or explore. They do this for several months on average. Somewhere in there they try building something. They find out afterwards that it's just cheaper to buy from the market from someone who's already done all the hard work of collecting and researching everything. After they get bored of Carebearing alone, they join a corp. From then on it's steady progression in knownledge based on the person's curiosity. I know folks who've lived in 0.0 for over 5 years and STILL don't know about the aggro mechanics, timers, production tree's, the difference between meta levels and so on. EVE is just like real life. You can just coast through experienceing just a part of it, or you can explore and learn a lot.
kworld Kaged Fury Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:08:00 - [19] If you cant handle Logic and using your brain to do stuff and want to be a potato i suggest you go back to wow. Bye.
mcnuggetlol Amarr The Penumbra Initiative	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:15:00 - [20] The level of smugness in this thread's pretty nauseating.

Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:28:00 - [21] Zeba, Cat dont fight. team up i think you girls could make great pew pew together. oh and for the topic, EvE was not meant to be easy, thats what sets it apart from other mmo's you cant be a brainless pilot in here. -------------------------- WTB a sig, or moderation of my sig by all the hot CCP girls.
Frobos Weird Cat Research Zombie Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:40:00 - [22] Originally by: Lexa Hellfury Hi, Lexa here, Fortunately 90% of the Eve player-base is not weighed down by the presence of a "brain". mmmmmm brains! x2 yrs and i just learned where rancer is.....thx cat!
Datsun Achura Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:58:00 - [23] Edited by: Datsun Achura on 20/08/2009 23:58:33 Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Zeba, Cat dont fight. team up i think you girls could make great pew pew together.. Predictably, they're both blokes Eve isn't too complicated at all
Cat o'Ninetails Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2009.08.21 01:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Frobos Originally by: Lexa Hellfury Hi, Lexa here, Fortunately 90% of the Eve player-base is not weighed down by the presence of a "brain". mmmmmm brains! x2 yrs and i just learned where rancer is.....thx cat! weird cat research? what kind of research? Yay! Six months of defending! \o/ <3 to Abrazzar!
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.08.21 02:30:00 - [25] wow in space here we go... _________________ Originally by: CCP Pann I think we've explored every option just shy of sending out ninja squads with bazookas. http://20thlegion.net
Iria Ahrens Amarr 101st Space Marine Force Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.08.21 02:31:00 - [26] Originally by: Cors EVE is just like real life. You can just coast through experienceing just a part of it, or you can explore and learn a lot. I'd say, EVE is just like real life. There is so much to do that one lifetime is not enough to do everything. Complexity is good. -- EVE is about balls, brains, and paranoia. SP comes in a distant fourth place.
Tellenta Gallente Invicta. Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.08.21 02:36:00 - [27] Edited by: Tellenta on 21/08/2009 02:37:38 Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails Hi, cat here. I was thinking earlier about various things in eve and I think it is getting pretty complicated. Apart from having to worry about pirates, there are hundreds of blueprints, skills, modules, solar systems, and ships etc. There are many more things that just make the game more complicated too lol i was just giving examples. This is quite a lot for people to deal with. And now there are different sizes of rigs which could just boggle a players brain lol x Don't worry, most things are actually rather simple. It's mostly a matter of plugging unit a with unit b, or multiple units a, b, c, d together pushing a few buttons and waiting. Value gets determined by who decides their time is the most useless while the rest of us rage and try to get more profit. Edit: my post got into your qoute :argh:
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.08.21 04:30:00 - [28] Originally by: mcnuggetlol The level of smugness in this thread's pretty nauseating. No thats just because that stupid Amarrian hood is over your eyes. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Ishikaria	Posted - 2009.08.21 04:43:00 - [29] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails Hi, cat here. I was thinking earlier about various things in eve and I think it is getting pretty complicated. Apart from having to worry about pirates, there are hundreds of blueprints, skills, modules, solar systems, and ships etc. There are many more things that just make the game more complicated too lol i was just giving examples. This is quite a lot for people to deal with. And now there are different sizes of rigs which could just boggle a players brain lol x nope. not all games need to be just like wow.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Dark Ascendancy The Council.	Posted - 2009.08.21 05:24:00 - [30] What is this "brain" you speak of? Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: FOl2TY8 I know that some people like to have voluntary periods of abstinence. Yeah, I use that excuse too.

Zex Maxwell Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.21 05:36:00 - [31] Edited by: Zex Maxwell on 21/08/2009 05:35:51 Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails Hi, cat here. I was thinking earlier about various things in eve and I think it is getting pretty complicated. Apart from having to worry about pirates, there are hundreds of blueprints, skills, modules, solar systems, and ships etc. There are many more things that just make the game more complicated too lol i was just giving examples. This is quite a lot for people to deal with. And now there are different sizes of rigs which could just boggle a players brain lol x and you wonted to run as CSM?
Manu Hermanus FaDoyToy	Posted - 2009.08.21 05:43:00 - [32] but 90% of crap is stupid/sucks so you only have to worry about 10% of the stuff, the rest of the stuff really doesn't matter. and knowing that almost everything revolves around your skill sheet well, that is naturally where to start! if it is too complicated it well, isn't the games fault. PLBKAC (problem lies between keyboard and chair)
Dickbuttes	Posted - 2009.08.21 05:47:00 - [33] the only problem i see as far as the game being complicated is that new players oftentimes dont have a sense of direction as far as what to do.
Draeca Tharri and Co.	Posted - 2009.08.21 05:52:00 - [34] It should be even more complicated.
Shevar Minmatar Target Practice incorporated	Posted - 2009.08.21 06:02:00 - [35] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails Hi, cat here. I was thinking earlier about various things in eve and I think it is getting pretty complicated. Apart from having to worry about pirates, there are hundreds of blueprints, skills, modules, solar systems, and ships etc. There are many more things that just make the game more complicated too lol i was just giving examples. This is quite a lot for people to deal with. And now there are different sizes of rigs which could just boggle a players brain lol x I agree all ships and stuffs need to be removed and when you come across another player you should just play rock, papers and scissors with a webcam or something. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Maliendan	Posted - 2009.08.21 06:03:00 - [36] Originally by: Zex Maxwell Edited by: Zex Maxwell on 21/08/2009 05:35:51 Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails Hi, cat here. I was thinking earlier about various things in eve and I think it is getting pretty complicated. Apart from having to worry about pirates, there are hundreds of blueprints, skills, modules, solar systems, and ships etc. There are many more things that just make the game more complicated too lol i was just giving examples. This is quite a lot for people to deal with. And now there are different sizes of rigs which could just boggle a players brain lol x and you wonted to run as CSM? sigh If you hadn't figured out by now that cat is a spoof then I guess you shouldn't consider running for CSM.
Amanda Mor	Posted - 2009.08.21 06:25:00 - [37] Originally by: Toonces Otama Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Vous The game doesn't cater to morons, good stuff. Fixed. This. Part of the reason the game is so much fun is its compexity. To suggest it is overly complex seriously makes me question if this is simply a troll post. I seriously can't beleive the OP is that devoid of intellect. It makes you "question if this is simply a troll post"? Really? Cat is a well known troll on these forums, and this is fairly easy to see thru. Congrats on your keen "intellect". Seriously Cat, you should run for the CSM to represent the troll lobby, you seem to always get to the 2nd page with them...
Cat o'Ninetails Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2009.08.21 09:23:00 - [38] well i have just counted at least 48 types of hybrid ammo alone not including faction stuff but then i got distracted by something shiney lol i think that this proves that eve is just too hard. x Yay! Six months of defending! \o/ <3 to Abrazzar!
VonCruix	Posted - 2009.08.21 09:26:00 - [39] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails well i have just counted at least 48 types of hybrid ammo alone not including faction stuff but then i got distracted by something shiney lol i think that this proves that eve is just too hard. x I disagree. Nothing wrong with complexity. It only gets better as time goes on. Reducing the complexity would probably actually be the "NGE" thing the Dustmongers have been crying about.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.08.21 09:31:00 - [40] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails well i have just counted at least 48 types of hybrid ammo alone not including faction stuff but then i got distracted by something shiney lol i think that this proves that eve is just too hard. x You are just soo cute aren't you, aren't you. teases cat with a bird feather toy

Taradis Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.08.21 09:41:00 - [41] no eve is not complicated it just has a learning curve
WeaponsHot	Posted - 2009.08.21 09:50:00 - [42] Originally by: Taradis no eve is not complicated it just has a learning curve Is not complicated itÆs just an endurance of a complicated game. Since the learning curve is planed to be over 50 years non-stop playing (subscription). But of course you would eventually die before that happens and if you donÆt die then EVE would die before reaching 50 y old. BTW Nostradamus predicted that EVE's decline would start from 2010.
VonCruix	Posted - 2009.08.21 09:54:00 - [43] Originally by: WeaponsHot BTW Nostradamus predicted that EVE's decline would start from 2010. Yea, and just like Eve, the end of the World has been predicted many times.
WeaponsHot	Posted - 2009.08.21 10:01:00 - [44] Edited by: WeaponsHot on 21/08/2009 10:02:21 Originally by: VonCruix Originally by: WeaponsHot BTW Nostradamus predicted that EVE's decline would start from 2010. Yea, and just like Eve, the end of the World has been predicted many times. be aware of the false prophecies... don't trust those that auto-proclaimed be the prophets. IÆm definitely not one of them à but looking at Nostry prophecies cross relating numbers between Nostry and Knowing with root of 3 main online houses developing space sims near releaseà Nostradamus predicted that 2010 is not the year of contact but the year of EVEÆs decline (all this from a guy that died well before EVE appeared) Just don't run buying the Armageddon just now.. but get ready for it
Gebher'el Amarr The King's Sword	Posted - 2009.08.21 11:29:00 - [45] EVE only seems complicated due to the fact most gaming has been dumbed down. When you look back at games like Rules of Engagement 2 and Hearts of Iron just to name two EVE seems pretty simple. In fact some times I wish it was a bit more complex. I would love a combat madel that made use of shield and weapon facings, allow component damage as well as more complex energy managment. That would open a ton more tactical options. The complexity of EVE. even the so called learning cliff have more to do with the laziness of gamers today than the complexity of the game.
hired goon	Posted - 2009.08.21 11:34:00 - [46] I think OP has a point, in that the game is presented in a pretty confusing way much of the time, especially in the way the market is arranged for example. If I had my way, when you go to ships, you are presented with a list of hull types, which expands into the variations (for example you click ships, expand battleships, under which comes tech 1, marauders and black ops). I would also have each module expand to present its variations, rather than lumping them all into one category. So probably Cat it would have made more sense to say eve is too confusing, rather than too complicated, and should be presented in a manner that's easier to understand - especially for poor newbs. If however I am wrong and you are actually saying stuff should be taken out of eve to make it less to have to grasp
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.08.21 11:38:00 - [47] EVE has been for the better half of 5 years a coders dream, a simulator, a micromanaging nightmare and so forth. Lately, past year or so, CCP has finally gotten the game in such a state, that they're starting to put the GAME into the game. 5 years of engine/system creation/tweaking is, in my opinion as a game dev, very risky, but at the same time, one of the most intriquing and innovative ways to create a MMO.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.08.21 12:01:00 - [48] On my eyes. Eve is still TOO SIMPLE!!! If i wanted somethign stupid and simple I would play Wii. Complexity is what keeps people more time in the game sicne there sia lways more to learn and try. Xomplexity is also the only way to include some player skils (miknd skills) on an MMO. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.08.21 12:03:00 - [49] Originally by: Gebher'el EVE only seems complicated due to the fact most gaming has been dumbed down. When you look back at games like Rules of Engagement 2 and Hearts of Iron just to name two EVE seems pretty simple. In fact some times I wish it was a bit more complex. I would love a combat madel that made use of shield and weapon facings, allow component damage as well as more complex energy managment. That would open a ton more tactical options. The complexity of EVE. even the so called learning cliff have more to do with the laziness of gamers today than the complexity of the game. Would like to point to the ones that want to see what a really complex game is. FALCON 4. Just the takeoff procedures are more complex than whoel eve game. Combat then.. is more complex than all MMO ever produced combined and ran at same time. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Corozan Aspinall	Posted - 2009.08.21 12:05:00 - [50] Eve is not complicated. Most other MMOG (the ones with spiders mainly) are low-brow and shallow.

Zartanic	Posted - 2009.08.21 12:12:00 - [51] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails well i have just counted at least 48 types of hybrid ammo alone not including faction stuff but then i got distracted by something shiney lol i think that this proves that eve is just too hard. x I think it proves your distracted by shiny things I'm easily distracted by anything big and bouncy myself.
Chantilly Layce	Posted - 2009.08.21 12:31:00 - [52] Steep learning curves are what make this game great. And, to be honest, said learning curves allow for great profit-making opportunities, too. Well, for me, anyway. Maybe that "other" yet-to-be-released CCP game product we're not allowed to mention in GD will allow for a lower learning curve and cater to those with the "MTV generation" attention span of a goldfish.
Nito Musashi	Posted - 2009.08.21 12:34:00 - [53] you know a gm asked me if i thought eve was too complex back in 05 when i was in the last days of my trial, i told him no, yes it is complex and you can learn something new every day, but i did the training noob stuff flew around got lost in space, wandered into low sec when rats guarded the gates, i ran fast as i could back to the gate to get aways in my noobie frig. back then the tutorials taught me how to fly my ship, how to shoot things, how to mine, and when in doubt right click, and probably a few other things, beyond that i had a brain that i could figure stuffs out. and when i got a corp i had people i could learn from since some of them were old schoool launch day players. now days you got tutorials on just about every basic in eve, you got corps like eve university, you got well forums that you can try and use if you can put up with the flames and take stuff in good humor and get a few legit answers. eft, evemon, and bunch of handy utilities that can aid your planning and decisions, yea there is stuffz to figure out and stuffz to learn and stuffz you will learn new just about every week month or day you play. so no its not TO complicated learn the basics and you can go from there with anything long as your willing to learn.
Chipan Asty	Posted - 2009.08.21 12:41:00 - [54] Hi cat, I liked your post. I'm not too sure about all that blueprint skills and solar system modules malarkey you spoke of, but the backdrops and some of the planets look pretty. And some of the ships look like they have a smiley face just like cars in real life. Cute or what? Thanks Chipan Asty
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.21 13:06:00 - [55] No. Can I have your stuff? No, really. The complexity is what makes EVE great, so many different paths to take with soo much depth. Is what we all love. However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
Nocturnal Avenger x13	Posted - 2009.08.21 13:11:00 - [56] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Vous The game doesn't cater to morons, good stuff. Fixed. hi zeba ive meant to talk to you but since you didnt answer my evemail... why did you wardec rancer defence league Zeba: nice fix Cat: derailing your own thread sort of puts you in the 90% category. - Carebear Pirate -
McFly C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.21 13:12:00 - [57] imho, Eve has steadily progressed over the last 2 years into becoming simpler.
Rashmika Clavain Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.08.21 13:21:00 - [58] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails well i have just counted at least 48 types of hybrid ammo alone not including faction stuff but then i got distracted by something shiney lol i think that this proves that eve is just too hard. x Obvious troll is now obvious Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator
A Boethius	Posted - 2009.08.21 13:32:00 - [59] Do we really still need named Tech 1 modules? Particularly if there's nothing in the name to suggest its connection with the basic level Tech 1 module or to differentiate the Meta 2 from the Meta 4 Tech 1 module? That was the single most confusing thing when I started the game. If absolutely need Meta Level 2-5 Tech 1 modules, The names should be something like "Neutron Blaster Cannon I/M4" rather than "Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I".
Rashmika Clavain Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.08.21 15:06:00 - [60] Why don't we just gives them different colours... like Grey for meta 1, White for meta 2, Green for meta 3 and Blue for meta 4. Faction stuff could be... purple... Officer stuff could be... orange? Ohwai... Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator

Neesa Corrinne Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.08.21 15:21:00 - [61] Edited by: Neesa Corrinne on 21/08/2009 15:21:55 I play two MMO's concurrently. I play EVE most of the time and I play Age of Conan on raid nights or when I want completely mindless, risk free PVP. Whenever I mention EVE on my AoC vent channel I'm almost flamed out of the room for even mentioning "that slow, boring, extremely complicated game". You know what? GOOD! Most of those guys are NOT people I would want to see playing EVE in the first place. The best part about EVE is that it really weeds out the ADD crowd by denying access to instant godlike power, and through the risk of loss. The first time some kid gets his shiny toy taken away by another kid, he usually doesn't want to play that game anymore. Adults, on the other hand, realize that loss is a part of life, they cope with it and get back in the game with the intent of taking someone elses shiny toy the next time. ---------------------------------
Bazuka	Posted - 2009.08.21 15:25:00 - [62] You know how genius games like Chess and Poker are easy to learn/hard to master? EVE is opposite of that. hard (and long) to learn, easy to master. ___________ CareMyBear!
Ryhss Caldari The Last Legion	Posted - 2009.08.21 15:30:00 - [63] Originally by: Vous The game doesn't cater for kids, good stuff. 'Nuff said! :) Think not, therefore I am not.
Neriel Odershank	Posted - 2009.08.21 15:31:00 - [64] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails This is quite a lot for people to deal with. And now there are different sizes of rigs which could just boggle a players brain lol I think the problem is with YOUR brain, since i can deal with all the stuff perfectly. Stop making arbitrary assumptions: if you have a problem, that doesn't mean that everyone else do the same.
Thorindor	Posted - 2009.08.21 16:11:00 - [65] NO, it keeps the idiots out(or at least most of them).
Neckbeard Griefmonger	Posted - 2009.08.21 16:17:00 - [66] Originally by: Vous The game doesn't cater for kids, good stuff. My feelings exactly. If it takes brains to understand the game, that is a built in filter that only makes eve better.
Urgg Boolean	Posted - 2009.08.21 17:06:00 - [67] What did the scarecrow say? "If I only had a ... ", something, I forget... I think people confuse "complicated" with tedium. EVE's form of "complicated" feels really, really tedious; not fun at all. Unnecessary complication in an environment in which we are supposed to play is something I try to avoid. Realizing that the sigma electron resonance clouds in the hydrophobic pockets of tubulin proteins contained in hyper-neuronal structures of the central nervous system connect us to the quantum field, thus enabling consciousness in three dimensions, THAT is complicated in a fun way, worth fully investigating. Figuring out the standings system is just a pain in the rear : not fun at all. As is the case for many of the tedious topics in EVE. In my opinion, EVE's perceived complexity amounts to nothing more than mental mass turbation. Eve is the only game I know that I can just fly about in me space ship and blow things up while doing dishes/laundry, reading, playing paper based D&D, etc. That's why I like it. Why do people feel they need contrived, tedious, [so called] complexity to feel they are having challenge based fun ? Yes. EVE is too complicated to be called fun. If you seek a real fun-based mental challenge, go play chess, or design and build a 25-step wooden puzzle box.
Cory Sopapilla Minmatar Kiroshi Group Exiliar Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.21 18:16:00 - [68] Originally by: Draeca It should be even more complicated. This game needs more physics, gravity, line of sight, collisions, heat dmg from suns, manual flight, etc.
Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.08.21 18:19:00 - [69] Originally by: Cory Sopapilla Originally by: Draeca It should be even more complicated. This game needs more physics, gravity, line of sight, collisions, heat dmg from suns, manual flight, etc. Manual flying would be painfull for people who work with a ton of active mods (and yes, even after grouping guns). ________________________________________________ My Music Posts slowly rising in quality to the decline of my dignity.
Planks New World Monkeys	Posted - 2009.08.22 19:38:00 - [70] Hey Cat, I replied to your thread with one of my alts and you didnt even have the common decency to acknowledge that reply. Screw you man and screw your crazy ideas. I will not be voting for you because of this and because of falcon. PS I rekon you are a male pretending to be a female just to confuse me

SiJira	Posted - 2009.08.22 20:07:00 - [71] hi op - please go play more wow eve needs to be more complicated Trashed sig, Shark was here
ForceM Gallente POS Builder Inc. Silent Requiem	Posted - 2009.08.22 21:03:00 - [72] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny What is this "brain" you speak of? Same fake thing as saying eve has sounds. -----
Metalcali Dreams In Digital	Posted - 2009.08.22 21:33:00 - [73] It must be for some, they can't figure out how to skill train effectively and demand they have a way to pay real money to train faster so they can fly pvp BS's. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1154837 --- Originally by: CCP Mitnal Locked. OP does not contain an idea.
Chris Liath Gallente Nex Exercitus Cult of War	Posted - 2009.08.22 22:02:00 - [74] Not nearly complicated enough. "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
Pandemonium Heresy Amarr Interstellar Commodity and Product Exchange	Posted - 2009.08.22 22:06:00 - [75] Edited by: Pandemonium Heresy on 22/08/2009 22:05:59 Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails Hi, cat here. I was thinking earlier about various things in eve and I think it is getting pretty complicated. Apart from having to worry about pirates, there are hundreds of blueprints, skills, modules, solar systems, and ships etc. There are many more things that just make the game more complicated too lol i was just giving examples. This is quite a lot for people to deal with. And now there are different sizes of rigs which could just boggle a players brain lol x Blueprints, skill, modules? WTF are you talking about? When did the game get this stuff? _________________________________________________ FOR THE SLAUGHTER!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2009.08.22 22:06:00 - [76] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 22/08/2009 22:06:34 Yes, its too complicated for a casual gamer, but not complicated enough if you play it every day. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2009.08.22 22:10:00 - [77] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails Hi, cat here. I was thinking earlier about various things in eve and I think it is getting pretty complicated. Apart from having to worry about pirates, there are hundreds of blueprints, skills, modules, solar systems, and ships etc. There are many more things that just make the game more complicated too lol i was just giving examples. in short no. eve isn't for the fast twitch instant gratification types.
Holy Makaroni	Posted - 2009.08.23 09:27:00 - [78] I think there is comming a eve shooter soon on console for people who want a short learning curve. Open the door to x-box and u will find it.
Derus Grobb Selectus Pravus Lupus	Posted - 2009.08.23 09:31:00 - [79] lolcat ---
Corozan Aspinall	Posted - 2009.08.23 09:37:00 - [80] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 22/08/2009 22:09:38 Its too complicated for a casual gamer, but not complicated enough if you play it every day. EVE is 100% aimed at the casual gamer with hard coded skill training.

Julius Rigel Ma-Ven Industries	Posted - 2009.08.23 09:49:00 - [81] gb2DUST, Mr. "My brain hurts"! Just testing out the new insults. Catchy.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2009.08.23 10:32:00 - [82] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/08/2009 10:35:54 Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/08/2009 10:34:53 Originally by: Corozan Aspinall Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 22/08/2009 22:09:38 Its too complicated for a casual gamer, but not complicated enough if you play it every day. EVE is 100% aimed at the casual gamer with hard coded skill training. No, hard coded skill training is the only feature of Eve that is aimed at casual gamers. Character skill points is not the definition of progress in this game. You can have 60 million skill points but not make any progress in the game because you dont have the time or ability to learn it all. Therefore time and ability are the real limiters for progress. You get skill points for free from the moment you sign up to play. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Arctrax Amarr Academia Hispana de Pilotos	Posted - 2009.08.23 10:37:00 - [83] Its not a difficult game, its just too big xD
Saartje Sarel	Posted - 2009.08.23 11:15:00 - [84] Edited by: Saartje Sarel on 23/08/2009 11:19:53 Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/08/2009 10:37:13 Originally by: Corozan Aspinall Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 22/08/2009 22:09:38 Its too complicated for a casual gamer, but not complicated enough if you play it every day. EVE is 100% aimed at the casual gamer with hard coded skill training. No, hard coded skill training is the only feature of Eve that is aimed at casual gamers. Character skill points is not the definition of progress in this game. You can have 60 million skill points but not make any progress in the game because you dont have the time or ability to learn it all. Casual gamers will not be able to learn the game in a short amount of time, therefore its not a casual game. Learn what? I 'learned' everything there was to know in a weekend. Eve is not complicated to anyone with above average IQ. Which is most of us. The only part of the game I didnt 'learn' from google was ship fitment for pvp not pve. And even that can be had on battle clinic. In fact the argument that eve is complicated seems to come from people who are ignorant not stupid. How many people can't use google to find information on game features? Or how many can't be bothered? Right. So 'not for the lazy and ignorant' is a more apt. description than 'complicated'. As for casual, the entire level of participation you enjoy in the game is dictated by skills. Therefore eve is an entirely casual game as grind is not productive. Unless you consider isk grinding fun - I don't personally.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2009.08.23 11:28:00 - [85] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/08/2009 11:33:09 Originally by: Saartje Sarel Learn what? I 'learned' everything there was to know in a weekend. Eve is not complicated to anyone with above average IQ. Which is most of us. The only part of the game I didnt 'learn' from google was ship fitment for pvp not pve. And even that can be had on battle clinic. So if by complicated you mean too complex for stupid people, then yeah, sure. As for casual, the entire level of participation you enjoy in the game is dictated by skills. Therefore eve is an entirely casual game as grind is not productive. Unless you consider isk grinding fun - I don't personally. Perhaps you started the game when it was simple. The first version of Eve didnt even have battleships. It had tech 1 cruisers, frigates and haulers as I remember it. I didnt have any problems learning it myself, but today its more complex than it was back then. The game has evolved and become more difficult to learn quickly. There are many more variables to everything, from fitting ships, to pvp, to market dynamics, to 0.0 colonization - everything has gotten more complex. Of course you see this, but you enjoy feeding the ego by thinking you are above average and everybody else are not as smart as you. :) Eve is not really for above average intelligence players. Its just like any other mmorpg where all you need is lots of time to get somewhere. One big difference with Eve though that I really like is that personality matters. If you are a risk taker, you can really reap the fruits or suffer in ways not possible in other mmorpg's. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.08.23 11:36:00 - [86] 'Kill stuff' How hard can it be, really?
Saartje Sarel	Posted - 2009.08.23 11:46:00 - [87] Edited by: Saartje Sarel on 23/08/2009 11:46:00 Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/08/2009 11:35:59 Originally by: Saartje Sarel Learn what? I 'learned' everything there was to know in a weekend. Eve is not complicated to anyone with above average IQ. Which is most of us. The only part of the game I didnt 'learn' from google was ship fitment for pvp not pve. And even that can be had on battle clinic. So if by complicated you mean too complex for stupid people, then yeah, sure. As for casual, the entire level of participation you enjoy in the game is dictated by skills. Therefore eve is an entirely casual game as grind is not productive. Unless you consider isk grinding fun - I don't personally. Perhaps you started the game when it was simple. The first version of Eve didnt even have battleships. It had tech 1 cruisers, frigates and haulers as I remember it. I didnt have any problems learning it myself, but today its more complex than it was back then. The game has evolved and become more difficult to learn quickly. There are many more variables to everything, from fitting ships, to pvp, to market dynamics, to 0.0 colonization - everything has gotten more complex. Of course you see this, but you enjoy feeding the ego by thinking you are above average and everybody else are not as smart as you. :) Eve is not really for above average intelligence players. Its just like any other mmorpg where all you need is lots of time to get somewhere. One big difference with Eve though that I really like is that personality matters. If you are a risk taker, you can really reap the fruits or suffer in ways not possible in other mmorpg's since there is real loss and real wins that matters. I'd like to continue to argue but I can't compete with such ridiculously high levels of reasonable. You win. I'm off to cry.
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2009.08.23 12:08:00 - [88] Eve is pretty simple really. Just spend about 5 hours a day researching the development, fixes and various mechanics, and in 4 years you might have a broadly good understanding of 2 or 3 elements of the game. The quality of my replies is directly related to the QQuality of the opÆs comments
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.08.23 12:10:00 - [89] Nope its nice and easy enough :)
Zartanic	Posted - 2009.08.23 13:17:00 - [90] Edited by: Zartanic on 23/08/2009 13:22:00 As someone said the naming convention is the most confusing and fiddly. Before I found the compare button (which is well hidden) I was totally lost on modules. This button should be on the main screen. This is nothing to do with complicated, its to do with bad presentation and UI. Considering how important something like that is for a new player top learn CCP are, as usual, expert in hiding it. The worst teacher can make a simple subject unlearnable and I consider CCP to be bad teachers that should be put out to grass. EDIT: And the use of English is often unclear or confusing as well, even if strictly correct, I assume due to translation. This is throughout the game though, not sure it can be fixed.

Waci Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous	Posted - 2009.08.23 13:30:00 - [91] Originally by: Cory Sopapilla Originally by: Draeca It should be even more complicated. This game needs more physics, gravity, line of sight, collisions, heat dmg from suns, manual flight, etc. This stuff would make EVE even more awesome. Hope they make dust more complex than the average console shooter... ------------------------------------------------- SCE
Cat o'Ninetails Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2009.08.23 23:54:00 - [92] Originally by: Lady Spank Eve is pretty simple really. Just spend about 5 hours a day researching the development, fixes and various mechanics, and in 4 years you might have a broadly good understanding of 2 or 3 elements of the game. Well I have spent many hours researching this game and also the best ways to defeat pirates. One problem I find is that the pirates have already researched these ways and fit SBs to deal with it :((( Rancer Defence League defends the best we can but we are often outsmarted by pirates. Surely this means the game is overpowered x Yay! Six months of defending! \o/ <3 to Abrazzar!
Synex Gallente Oursulaert Industries	Posted - 2009.08.24 13:08:00 - [93] I like it. It's like RL, but in space with pretty explosions. Synex Oursulaert Industries Freelancer industrialist? Contact me for some exciting opportunities.
Ymirus Minmatar Pineal Squeegee	Posted - 2009.08.24 13:16:00 - [94] The reason I love this game is because it's 'difficult'. That was my major problem with WoW back when I played, everything is so darned simple. Here there's just so much to figure out, so much to do, so much to experience. I hope it stays this way, as far as I'm concerned add more depth, more options, more difficulty!
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2009.08.27 08:42:00 - [95] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails Originally by: Lady Spank Eve is pretty simple really. Just spend about 5 hours a day researching the development, fixes and various mechanics, and in 4 years you might have a broadly good understanding of 2 or 3 elements of the game. Well I have spent many hours researching this game and also the best ways to defeat pirates. One problem I find is that the pirates have already researched these ways and fit SBs to deal with it :((( Rancer Defence League defends the best we can but we are often outsmarted by pirates. Surely this means the game is overpowered x Beat logic with sheer POWER, try sending wave after wave of defence league deFENDERS The quality of my replies is directly related to the QQuality of the opÆs comments
Southern Suzy Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.08.27 09:42:00 - [96] Hi mom! posting in a Crap O ninetails attention seeking post!! So wait this is the end of my post allready? I'm not in multiple alliances to spy! I'm in them so I'll always be on the winning team


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