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Papa Smurf	Posted - 2004.10.17 15:07:00 - [91] Originally by: PhamNuwen Edited by: PhamNuwen on 17/10/2004 11:02:16 Edited by: PhamNuwen on 17/10/2004 11:00:25 one remark more to Agents/Black Market: ;-) - Agents (especially R&D) wish goods from blackmarket - is this the intention? - if this planned, we should get the skills for black market before shiva - 'Normal Market' versus 'Black Market': it is allowed to trade/escrow illegal goods (plutonium/enriched uranium/...) but not allowed to transport (without risk)?! --> please move the illegal goods out of the normal market or fine it (trading should be only allowed in black market) --> please change the demands of R&D - I'm a 'good boy' and do nothing, which is illegal... ;-) There's now a sanity check in the agent system that should prevent any agent mission from dishing out a objective that contains contraband, unless the mission author specifically requests it. This should prevent the R&D mission from doing bad things. The market should likewise no longer allow trading with illegal goods. Note that illegality varies from region to region. Check the type's info window for details, or the info window of the faction that owns the region.
Papa Smurf	Posted - 2004.10.17 15:07:00 - [92] Originally by: PhamNuwen Edited by: PhamNuwen on 17/10/2004 11:02:16 Edited by: PhamNuwen on 17/10/2004 11:00:25 one remark more to Agents/Black Market: ;-) - Agents (especially R&D) wish goods from blackmarket - is this the intention? - if this planned, we should get the skills for black market before shiva - 'Normal Market' versus 'Black Market': it is allowed to trade/escrow illegal goods (plutonium/enriched uranium/...) but not allowed to transport (without risk)?! --> please move the illegal goods out of the normal market or fine it (trading should be only allowed in black market) --> please change the demands of R&D - I'm a 'good boy' and do nothing, which is illegal... ;-) There's now a sanity check in the agent system that should prevent any agent mission from dishing out a objective that contains contraband, unless the mission author specifically requests it. This should prevent the R&D mission from doing bad things. The market should likewise no longer allow trading with illegal goods. Note that illegality varies from region to region. Check the type's info window for details, or the info window of the faction that owns the region.
Papa Smurf	Posted - 2004.10.17 15:12:00 - [93] Originally by: Burga Galti Originally by: Papa Smurf Rumour Service - gosh I wish that thing didn't exist ;) Anyhow, will continue to ignore it for the time being. Would it be possible to link that to a database of events Aurora are running/planning? Then it's just a one time job for you guys to activate and leave the content issue to them It would be possible, but frankly the rumour system is just such utter crud... If Aurora or somebody else wants to advertise events through the agent system, it would be easy to add some 'targeted advertisement system'. F.ex. when you have accepted or completed a mission for an amarr agent in Fooblat space. "By the way, did you know that the Talroman Cathedral needs a new paint job? My friend at Gooblat station could really use some help." But alas, there is no such feature request pending.
Papa Smurf	Posted - 2004.10.17 15:12:00 - [94] Originally by: Burga Galti Originally by: Papa Smurf Rumour Service - gosh I wish that thing didn't exist ;) Anyhow, will continue to ignore it for the time being. Would it be possible to link that to a database of events Aurora are running/planning? Then it's just a one time job for you guys to activate and leave the content issue to them It would be possible, but frankly the rumour system is just such utter crud... If Aurora or somebody else wants to advertise events through the agent system, it would be easy to add some 'targeted advertisement system'. F.ex. when you have accepted or completed a mission for an amarr agent in Fooblat space. "By the way, did you know that the Talroman Cathedral needs a new paint job? My friend at Gooblat station could really use some help." But alas, there is no such feature request pending.
Papa Smurf	Posted - 2004.10.17 15:16:00 - [95] Originally by: S'Daria Originally by: Khatred Just wondering if more agents will be added in Shiva since some corps/divisions lack lvl 4 agents or have very poor lvl 4 agents. Good point. Papa Smurf, will you be adding more Level IV agents? Some corporations don't have Level IV agents and thus the ones that do will have more agent runners in their systems. We already have heard the problem of people spawning rats at the same bookmarks/gates and getting their rats/special loot mixed up. Do you think this will be a problem as the lower populations of Level IV agent runners do their missions from the few agents that are currently available? The intention is that agents will generally only send you to spawnpoints that they dynamically create in the brave new order of things, thus there should be no problem with congestion like this at least long term. I wouldn't be surprised if there were the first few weeks of Shiva however. I'll probably avoid adding level 4 agents if I can, but I'll be taking a look at it.
Papa Smurf	Posted - 2004.10.17 15:16:00 - [96] Originally by: S'Daria Originally by: Khatred Just wondering if more agents will be added in Shiva since some corps/divisions lack lvl 4 agents or have very poor lvl 4 agents. Good point. Papa Smurf, will you be adding more Level IV agents? Some corporations don't have Level IV agents and thus the ones that do will have more agent runners in their systems. We already have heard the problem of people spawning rats at the same bookmarks/gates and getting their rats/special loot mixed up. Do you think this will be a problem as the lower populations of Level IV agent runners do their missions from the few agents that are currently available? The intention is that agents will generally only send you to spawnpoints that they dynamically create in the brave new order of things, thus there should be no problem with congestion like this at least long term. I wouldn't be surprised if there were the first few weeks of Shiva however. I'll probably avoid adding level 4 agents if I can, but I'll be taking a look at it.
Holi	Posted - 2004.10.17 19:13:00 - [97] Edited by: Holi on 17/10/2004 19:17:00 Edit: some typos Papa, I didn't had that mission yet on Shiva, but there are atm missions on TQ where you need to kill a slavetrader and bring back his prisoners. There are also some slaves in the cargo and the agent sais they would be happy if you free'd them but they don't make this a requirement to complete the mission. Will there be a right-click option to free the slaves "right outa the cargo box" or will the local customs officers look the other way when you bring back slaves to a station where you can free them? (If there will be some agent-bound way to free slaves that is.) I don't wanna leave the poor souls flying around for 2 hours in a can, just to await the dreaded sound of hull breach. -- Holi [ md5 checksum calculator ]
Holi	Posted - 2004.10.17 19:13:00 - [98] Edited by: Holi on 17/10/2004 19:17:00 Edit: some typos Papa, I didn't had that mission yet on Shiva, but there are atm missions on TQ where you need to kill a slavetrader and bring back his prisoners. There are also some slaves in the cargo and the agent sais they would be happy if you free'd them but they don't make this a requirement to complete the mission. Will there be a right-click option to free the slaves "right outa the cargo box" or will the local customs officers look the other way when you bring back slaves to a station where you can free them? (If there will be some agent-bound way to free slaves that is.) I don't wanna leave the poor souls flying around for 2 hours in a can, just to await the dreaded sound of hull breach. -- Holi [ md5 checksum calculator ]
S'Daria	Posted - 2004.10.18 00:24:00 - [99] Originally by: Papa Smurf Originally by: S'Daria Originally by: Khatred Just wondering if more agents will be added in Shiva since some corps/divisions lack lvl 4 agents or have very poor lvl 4 agents. Good point. Papa Smurf, will you be adding more Level IV agents? Some corporations don't have Level IV agents and thus the ones that do will have more agent runners in their systems. We already have heard the problem of people spawning rats at the same bookmarks/gates and getting their rats/special loot mixed up. Do you think this will be a problem as the lower populations of Level IV agent runners do their missions from the few agents that are currently available? The intention is that agents will generally only send you to spawnpoints that they dynamically create in the brave new order of things, thus there should be no problem with congestion like this at least long term. I wouldn't be surprised if there were the first few weeks of Shiva however. I'll probably avoid adding level 4 agents if I can, but I'll be taking a look at it. That good to hear. But what about missions like "The Blockade", which is at a jumpgate. Several times I see people attacking my mobs, picking up my loot, or jumping in and starting their own "The Blockade" mission. Try doing this mission in a high travel area and its even worst. Everyone and their mother will goto the highest quality Level IV agent for Security\|Command\|Internal Security. Probably because Kill missions (loot + bounties), are so popular compared to Courier missions (no loot + no bounties) that probably 90% of the Level IV agent runners will be concentrated in these systems. I'm sure you know by doing a statistical run of where missions are being completed and what types of missions are done in the last 6 months. You'll see that probably 85% of the missions are Kill missions from a small number of Security\|Command\|Internal Security agents. Just my 0.02 isk.
S'Daria	Posted - 2004.10.18 00:24:00 - [100] Originally by: Papa Smurf Originally by: S'Daria Originally by: Khatred Just wondering if more agents will be added in Shiva since some corps/divisions lack lvl 4 agents or have very poor lvl 4 agents. Good point. Papa Smurf, will you be adding more Level IV agents? Some corporations don't have Level IV agents and thus the ones that do will have more agent runners in their systems. We already have heard the problem of people spawning rats at the same bookmarks/gates and getting their rats/special loot mixed up. Do you think this will be a problem as the lower populations of Level IV agent runners do their missions from the few agents that are currently available? The intention is that agents will generally only send you to spawnpoints that they dynamically create in the brave new order of things, thus there should be no problem with congestion like this at least long term. I wouldn't be surprised if there were the first few weeks of Shiva however. I'll probably avoid adding level 4 agents if I can, but I'll be taking a look at it. That good to hear. But what about missions like "The Blockade", which is at a jumpgate. Several times I see people attacking my mobs, picking up my loot, or jumping in and starting their own "The Blockade" mission. Try doing this mission in a high travel area and its even worst. Everyone and their mother will goto the highest quality Level IV agent for Security\|Command\|Internal Security. Probably because Kill missions (loot + bounties), are so popular compared to Courier missions (no loot + no bounties) that probably 90% of the Level IV agent runners will be concentrated in these systems. I'm sure you know by doing a statistical run of where missions are being completed and what types of missions are done in the last 6 months. You'll see that probably 85% of the missions are Kill missions from a small number of Security\|Command\|Internal Security agents. Just my 0.02 isk.
GardenerOfEden	Posted - 2004.10.18 01:13:00 - [101] CCP appears to have decided to proceed with (Superhighway) Tolls - there is an option for the autopilot in the Shiva client for this already but of course it could very well be implemented post launch. We were thinking that this would have a huge impact on runners - both traveling to/from agents and doing missions (esp large cargo missions) - with that impact having a degree of randomness (position of agent's station relative to superhighway). This begs the question about what the agent devs make of this can of worms and how the agents might be changed when tolls are imposed? EVE is a massive social experiment of human interaction facilitated by computer technology
GardenerOfEden	Posted - 2004.10.18 01:13:00 - [102] CCP appears to have decided to proceed with (Superhighway) Tolls - there is an option for the autopilot in the Shiva client for this already but of course it could very well be implemented post launch. We were thinking that this would have a huge impact on runners - both traveling to/from agents and doing missions (esp large cargo missions) - with that impact having a degree of randomness (position of agent's station relative to superhighway). This begs the question about what the agent devs make of this can of worms and how the agents might be changed when tolls are imposed? EVE is a massive social experiment of human interaction facilitated by computer technology
S'Daria	Posted - 2004.10.18 02:39:00 - [103] I think Superhighway Tolls are great!!! Would help traders alot since its the disparagy between regional prices that allows that profession to make money. I remember the ol'days when the empire systems where NOT connected by Superhighways...then you had to travel though 0.0 space to get to the next region - alot of pirating then. Hopefully, one day, CCP will allow us to make our own player owned jumpgates that we control. Imaging making your own jumpgate that shaves 2-5 jumps off your 30 jump travel? Or making your own "secret" jumpgate into enemy territory to flank them or to bypass a blockade. There are many possibilities. Oh well...maybe post-Kali.
S'Daria	Posted - 2004.10.18 02:39:00 - [104] I think Superhighway Tolls are great!!! Would help traders alot since its the disparagy between regional prices that allows that profession to make money. I remember the ol'days when the empire systems where NOT connected by Superhighways...then you had to travel though 0.0 space to get to the next region - alot of pirating then. Hopefully, one day, CCP will allow us to make our own player owned jumpgates that we control. Imaging making your own jumpgate that shaves 2-5 jumps off your 30 jump travel? Or making your own "secret" jumpgate into enemy territory to flank them or to bypass a blockade. There are many possibilities. Oh well...maybe post-Kali.
Papa Smurf	Posted - 2004.10.18 15:48:00 - [105] Originally by: Holi Edited by: Holi on 17/10/2004 19:17:00 Edit: some typos Papa, I didn't had that mission yet on Shiva, but there are atm missions on TQ where you need to kill a slavetrader and bring back his prisoners. There are also some slaves in the cargo and the agent sais they would be happy if you free'd them but they don't make this a requirement to complete the mission. Will there be a right-click option to free the slaves "right outa the cargo box" or will the local customs officers look the other way when you bring back slaves to a station where you can free them? (If there will be some agent-bound way to free slaves that is.) I don't wanna leave the poor souls flying around for 2 hours in a can, just to await the dreaded sound of hull breach. -- Holi I'm assuming that you're referring to the fact that slaves are contraband in various locations. In Shiva, the agent system will not give you a mission with contraband unless the mission author has specifically noted "give it out, even if it's contraband". Which will generally not be the case. Thus you simply cannot get this mission f.ex. in Minmatar space. If the mission author wants to work around that, he would undoubtedly make a special item type such as "freed slaves" that doesn't get customs officers involved.
Papa Smurf	Posted - 2004.10.18 15:48:00 - [106] Originally by: Holi Edited by: Holi on 17/10/2004 19:17:00 Edit: some typos Papa, I didn't had that mission yet on Shiva, but there are atm missions on TQ where you need to kill a slavetrader and bring back his prisoners. There are also some slaves in the cargo and the agent sais they would be happy if you free'd them but they don't make this a requirement to complete the mission. Will there be a right-click option to free the slaves "right outa the cargo box" or will the local customs officers look the other way when you bring back slaves to a station where you can free them? (If there will be some agent-bound way to free slaves that is.) I don't wanna leave the poor souls flying around for 2 hours in a can, just to await the dreaded sound of hull breach. -- Holi I'm assuming that you're referring to the fact that slaves are contraband in various locations. In Shiva, the agent system will not give you a mission with contraband unless the mission author has specifically noted "give it out, even if it's contraband". Which will generally not be the case. Thus you simply cannot get this mission f.ex. in Minmatar space. If the mission author wants to work around that, he would undoubtedly make a special item type such as "freed slaves" that doesn't get customs officers involved.
Papa Smurf	Posted - 2004.10.18 15:50:00 - [107] Originally by: GardenerOfEden CCP appears to have decided to proceed with (Superhighway) Tolls - there is an option for the autopilot in the Shiva client for this already but of course it could very well be implemented post launch. We were thinking that this would have a huge impact on runners - both traveling to/from agents and doing missions (esp large cargo missions) - with that impact having a degree of randomness (position of agent's station relative to superhighway). This begs the question about what the agent devs make of this can of worms and how the agents might be changed when tolls are imposed? I'll be ignoring this until the can of worm has been opened and the worms start festering
Papa Smurf	Posted - 2004.10.18 15:50:00 - [108] Originally by: GardenerOfEden CCP appears to have decided to proceed with (Superhighway) Tolls - there is an option for the autopilot in the Shiva client for this already but of course it could very well be implemented post launch. We were thinking that this would have a huge impact on runners - both traveling to/from agents and doing missions (esp large cargo missions) - with that impact having a degree of randomness (position of agent's station relative to superhighway). This begs the question about what the agent devs make of this can of worms and how the agents might be changed when tolls are imposed? I'll be ignoring this until the can of worm has been opened and the worms start festering
Papa Smurf	Posted - 2004.10.18 15:52:00 - [109] Originally by: S'Daria That good to hear. But what about missions like "The Blockade", which is at a jumpgate. Several times I see people attacking my mobs, picking up my loot, or jumping in and starting their own "The Blockade" mission. The general idea is that this type of mission will disappear, although not immediately.
Papa Smurf	Posted - 2004.10.18 15:52:00 - [110] Originally by: S'Daria That good to hear. But what about missions like "The Blockade", which is at a jumpgate. Several times I see people attacking my mobs, picking up my loot, or jumping in and starting their own "The Blockade" mission. The general idea is that this type of mission will disappear, although not immediately.
Flammius	Posted - 2004.10.18 16:13:00 - [111] Quote: I'll probably avoid adding level 4 agents if I can, but I'll be taking a look at it. Hm, how about research corps that have no lvl 4 R&D agent? Viziam for example. There is a lvl4 agent in the corp but he is not in the R&D department. I would guess ppl doing research for vizaim will be unhappy if they can't do lvl 4 research, and in the end everyone will just go to carthum instead. Speaking of that, Khanid innovations research agents are max lvl 2 - not much for a corp that seems to be producing lots of t2 ships... ;) I guess it might be a design decision not to have all R&D corps have all lvls of agents, but I think these corps then really don't have much appeal. Just an observation. _________________________ Scientist, manufacturer, trader Selling Co-processor II, Tachyon Beam Laser II, Modulated Strip Miner II Buying Tech 2 BPOs (check my bio ingame)
Flammius	Posted - 2004.10.18 16:13:00 - [112] Quote: I'll probably avoid adding level 4 agents if I can, but I'll be taking a look at it. Hm, how about research corps that have no lvl 4 R&D agent? Viziam for example. There is a lvl4 agent in the corp but he is not in the R&D department. I would guess ppl doing research for vizaim will be unhappy if they can't do lvl 4 research, and in the end everyone will just go to carthum instead. Speaking of that, Khanid innovations research agents are max lvl 2 - not much for a corp that seems to be producing lots of t2 ships... ;) I guess it might be a design decision not to have all R&D corps have all lvls of agents, but I think these corps then really don't have much appeal. Just an observation. _________________________ Scientist, manufacturer, trader Selling Co-processor II, Tachyon Beam Laser II, Modulated Strip Miner II Buying Tech 2 BPOs (check my bio ingame)
Holi	Posted - 2004.10.18 20:12:00 - [113] Originally by: Papa Smurf Originally by: Holi Edited by: Holi on 17/10/2004 19:17:00 Edit: some typos Question about missions involving slaves in a region where slaves are contraband (God, I can write so simple things so complicated! ) -- Holi I'm assuming that you're referring to the fact that slaves are contraband in various locations. In Shiva, the agent system will not give you a mission with contraband unless the mission author has specifically noted "give it out, even if it's contraband". Which will generally not be the case. Thus you simply cannot get this mission f.ex. in Minmatar space. If the mission author wants to work around that, he would undoubtedly make a special item type such as "freed slaves" that doesn't get customs officers involved. Yes, that's what I meant. Good news, and thanks for the fast reply! -- Holi
Holi	Posted - 2004.10.18 20:12:00 - [114] Originally by: Papa Smurf Originally by: Holi Edited by: Holi on 17/10/2004 19:17:00 Edit: some typos Question about missions involving slaves in a region where slaves are contraband (God, I can write so simple things so complicated! ) -- Holi I'm assuming that you're referring to the fact that slaves are contraband in various locations. In Shiva, the agent system will not give you a mission with contraband unless the mission author has specifically noted "give it out, even if it's contraband". Which will generally not be the case. Thus you simply cannot get this mission f.ex. in Minmatar space. If the mission author wants to work around that, he would undoubtedly make a special item type such as "freed slaves" that doesn't get customs officers involved. Yes, that's what I meant. Good news, and thanks for the fast reply! -- Holi
DeVries	Posted - 2004.10.18 22:10:00 - [115] What is being done about those NPC (non-pirate) corps that buy/sell/produce goods (not narcotics) that are legal pre-Shiva but that are considered contraband in their empire after Shiva? Some of these stations are in high sec space which makes it more tricky to supply these stations or to buy from them.
DeVries	Posted - 2004.10.18 22:10:00 - [116] What is being done about those NPC (non-pirate) corps that buy/sell/produce goods (not narcotics) that are legal pre-Shiva but that are considered contraband in their empire after Shiva? Some of these stations are in high sec space which makes it more tricky to supply these stations or to buy from them.
S'Daria	Posted - 2004.10.19 00:32:00 - [117] Originally by: DeVries What is being done about those NPC (non-pirate) corps that buy/sell/produce goods (not narcotics) that are legal pre-Shiva but that are considered contraband in their empire after Shiva? Some of these stations are in high sec space which makes it more tricky to supply these stations or to buy from them. Maybe in those systems that they control they are not? /shrug
S'Daria	Posted - 2004.10.19 00:32:00 - [118] Originally by: DeVries What is being done about those NPC (non-pirate) corps that buy/sell/produce goods (not narcotics) that are legal pre-Shiva but that are considered contraband in their empire after Shiva? Some of these stations are in high sec space which makes it more tricky to supply these stations or to buy from them. Maybe in those systems that they control they are not? /shrug
DeVries	Posted - 2004.10.19 02:57:00 - [119] I'm referring to such examples like the Federal Intelligence Office (sells Toxic Waste and Small Arms) and Sarum Family (sells Plutonium, buys Small Arms and Viral Agent). Both of these are arguably very "government" related NPC corps yet those trade goods are considered contraband within the Gallente Federation and Amarr Empire respectively. Does this mean there can be no legitimate trade with such corps anymore? Also what are agent runners to do if their agent gives them such goods as mission rewards? Not everyone is necessarily prepared or able to run customs.
DeVries	Posted - 2004.10.19 02:57:00 - [120] I'm referring to such examples like the Federal Intelligence Office (sells Toxic Waste and Small Arms) and Sarum Family (sells Plutonium, buys Small Arms and Viral Agent). Both of these are arguably very "government" related NPC corps yet those trade goods are considered contraband within the Gallente Federation and Amarr Empire respectively. Does this mean there can be no legitimate trade with such corps anymore? Also what are agent runners to do if their agent gives them such goods as mission rewards? Not everyone is necessarily prepared or able to run customs.

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