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Ava Starfire
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Posted - 2009.08.26 04:52:00 -
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Sigh.
After playing for a year or so, and deciding that missions, and highsec in general, suck, I headed into a nearby lowsec system in my rifter and did the usuals; made safes, scanned, and determined that everyone in system was docked or at a POS. As i was about to head to the next system, I see a burst (wtf) on my scanner, narrowed it down to a belt, and, never having killed anything before, let alone solo, jumped into the belt, landing 40k from...a burst, mining.
I clicked on the MWD, approached and overshot my target, but got my scram on him (mental note about MWDs and overshooting) and lit him up. Keep in mind, he had a good 10 second to warp before i got in range, so i guess he wasnt watching overview or was VERY trusting. Ship pops, and i decided to try and lock the pod...lock it, pop it...and then sat, contemplating the very anticlimactic nature of the whole thing.
Turns out i killed a 4 day toon in an unarmed burst, not exactly what i had hoped for. And tbh, i kind of feel like a jerk for doing it. As i said, he had plenty of time to warp, hell, he had no business being in there in the first place...
Long and short, killed and podded a 4 day toon in an unarmed mining frig; what would you have done? Profit gained, 0.
P.S. Now looking for something that actually shoots back. And podkilling in a .4 drops sec status from 4.6 to 2.05, ouch.
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Andreno
Gallente
The Ineni Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.08.26 04:59:00 -
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Edited by: Andreno on 26/08/2009 04:59:47
Yeah, my first lowsec pvp kill was against an incursus that ran up to my drake and warp scrammed me. Hailed him in local and asked wtf he was doing. He simply said "Yarr." To which I responded with missiles.
Didn't feel bad in the least. Was awesome.
*Edit*
I would've done the same thing and not felt bad. It's like a learning experience for them.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.08.26 05:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Ava Starfire
hell, he had no business being in there in the first place...
You taught him a valuable lesson on only his 4th day. He will remember how dangerous lowsec is for the rest of his eve career and one day in the future will look back and be glad he didn't wast any implants or any real isk finding that out.
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Varesk
Gallente
Maelstrom Crew
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Posted - 2009.08.26 06:09:00 -
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Edited by: Varesk on 26/08/2009 06:10:40
tonight i took my alt into a low sec system and was messing around with my cov ops. hit on a drake, warped to drake and sat there cloaked while i brought my main into system, fleeted up and then warped to the drake. just as he was about to pop, some of his friends warped in and i warped out. leaving my drones on the drake. before i left grid his ship exploded. i then received the care bear tears message in my inbox calling me a "noob ganker" and telling me "how much i suck a pvp".
i looked at his corp history and only he has been playing eve for less than 3 weeks. a noob in a drake, in low sec, running missions. i felt bad for about 3 seconds.
op. dont feel bad about your gank. he was warned like everyone else when they leave high sec. you cant help his stupid.
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Haks'he Lirky
Durgarnir
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Posted - 2009.08.26 06:39:00 -
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The truth is that the action of killing someone who did not fight (or could not) is not that rewarding, unless there are tears involved, but it should not stop you from performing it.
From a combat standpoint you should always engage a target you believe you can destroy, this should slowly become a reflex, if you ignore the reflex because of some internet spaceship guilt then you will never be able to reach your potential as a EVE pvp'er :)
And the reward you get when you notice that those 10 seconds he could have gotten away are approaching zero seconds will be well worth it.
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Baillif
Red Mist Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.26 06:55:00 -
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Edited by: Baillif on 26/08/2009 07:00:50
Edited by: Baillif on 26/08/2009 06:59:19
Edited by: Baillif on 26/08/2009 06:58:47
An EVE pirate should never feel bad about shooting a completely unprepared and/or unarmed opponent, because after all it is the safest way. 
Musket carrying troops used to get into lines and shoot at each other from 10 feet away as it was the "honorable" way to do warfare at the time. Then people wised up and started hiding behind trees because bullets hurt. Honorable? Perhaps not. Smart? Definitely!
Fight with honor in a fair fight or fight to win? Choice is yours.
As for me...I'd rather smash you in the head with a brick while you weren't paying attention.
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Ran Khanon
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Posted - 2009.08.26 07:01:00 -
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If you want exciting pvp with mutual consent why not sign up for the WAR? I am a pretty new player but almost burned out on the game by doing nothing else than running missions so far. I signed up for factional war 3 days ago, joined a FW corp and didn't look back. Vent supported fleet ops happen every night. I participated in (my first) 8 kills and there is more excitement to the whole game because of potentially dangerous empire space. Lubbin it.
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VoiceInTheDesert
Inroads
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Posted - 2009.08.26 07:07:00 -
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I used to feel bad. Then I realized it was just a game. Now I kill and lul at the tears.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.26 07:17:00 -
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Now continue to do so until you reach -10.0. While clueless newbie pods may not give you any profit, they're very useful for keeping your security status a nice even -10.0 despite your fleet members killing random NPCs and bumping it up to -9.9.
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GoingOffRoading
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.08.26 07:35:00 -
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Alot of newbs come out to my stretch of lowsec to rat... I've missed out on piles of lol-fit mymadons, domis, vexors, thoraxs, (don't remember the spelling for these animals) etc. The characters are less than a few months old and don't know any better so I usually private convo and send them on their way back to hello kitty land.
In retrospect, I should have podded every single one of them
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MicroWarpdrive II
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.08.26 07:48:00 -
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lol who cares. their own dumbass fault if u ask me
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Robert0288
Caldari
g guild
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.08.26 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Ava Starfire
hell, he had no business being in there in the first place...
You taught him a valuable lesson on only his 4th day. He will remember how dangerous lowsec is for the rest of his eve career and one day in the future will look back and be glad he didn't wast any implants or any real isk finding that out.
this
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Absalom Marathon
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.08.26 08:38:00 -
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The remorse dissapears after a couple of kills. I had them aswell. If they die, they probably deserve it.
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Yakov Draken
Minmatar
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2009.08.26 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ava Starfire
i decided to try and lock the pod...lock it, pop it
Here was your mistake. You should have tried to ransom his pod for lolz. Pod kills don't benifit you so try to get some isk, a funny convo, a rescue attempt, or maybe some hilarious tears.
If you have tried to ransom him you would have discovered he was a trial account and couldn't pay a ransom. Then you either let him go  or pod him in cold blood . Either way it is more entertaining.
The human contact really makes pirating. When I first moved to low sec from 0.0 with my nub corp mates we blew up and podded every semi defenceless ship we could find. Then one of us showed some initiative and ransomed a dudes pod and made a decent amount. In no time we were hooked! Nowdays I get a bit ****y when we have a string of "accidental" podddings on victims before we can try to get a ransom.
Never really got into ransoming ships much as explosions are hot and loot is ftw.
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Alia Xi
The Bastards
The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.08.26 10:48:00 -
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I would have done the same, although maybe ransomed the pod
Congrats on your first kill though and as Lana said you taught him a valuable lesson early on - in an inexpensive ship. Don't feel bad, next time you might not get it as easy.
Welcome to the dark side
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Sabriele
Amarr
Intelligent Concepts Inc
SUB ROSA ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2009.08.26 11:02:00 -
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HAVE A BIG GLASS OF PEPSI!
At least it was in a frigate... I popped a 1-2 weeks old char in a T1 fitted cynabal who was ratting in lowsec.. I was in a scorp as well so he didnt even get to shoot back, poor little chap.
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Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.08.26 12:07:00 -
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I turned to piracy about the same way. After a year of mission running and mining ops I decided that it was time to man the f up. I took my Jaguar to a low sec system in Metropolis, found a Rifter in a belt and shot it down.
I immediately felt guilty. The guy asked me why I killed him, and I said I needed to test out my Jaguar setup. Don't remember if I sent him any ISK or not. I might have.
The next day though, I shot down 3-4 cruisers in belts and received the most epic smack in local I had a pleasure witnessing to this day. That strangely felt good. From that point on I took great pleasure in squeezing out sweet sweet carebear tears.
Just stick with it Ava, it gets better. As far as profit goes, you never know what will be profitable and what won't be (well maybe with exception of noobs in busts  ).
Just a note, I do not pirate anymore. SF is NRDS.
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Bobby Bobster
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Posted - 2009.08.26 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Robert0288
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Ava Starfire
hell, he had no business being in there in the first place...
You taught him a valuable lesson on only his 4th day. He will remember how dangerous lowsec is for the rest of his eve career and one day in the future will look back and be glad he didn't wast any implants or any real isk finding that out.
this
Possibly this....
OR my view would be he becomes filled with rage and hatred and trains all day everyday for years until one day he can avenged his death.
When you are quietly minding your own business 1 day having completely forgotten about the noob in the burst he destroys your faction fit BS and pods your sorry ass back to where you came from.
I kind of see it being like a futuristic Conan the Barbarian!!!! 
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Kate Yeats
Caldari
Stand and Deliver
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Posted - 2009.08.26 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: Kate Yeats on 26/08/2009 12:54:09
Originally by: Ran Khanon
I signed up for factional war 3 days ago, joined a FW corp and didn't look back. Vent supported fleet ops happen every night. I participated in (my first) 8 kills and there is more excitement to the whole game because of potentially dangerous empire space. Lubbin it.
Yeah, I hung around watching some of the FW while I was grinding standings up, eager to sign up and do my bit.
Rather than the crazy awesome low-cost frig battles that I keep being told about by those encouraging me to join FW, what I saw was the merciless slaughter by both sides from T2 and T3 gatecamps.
Add to that some really crappy FC-ing (seeing a rather large fleet warp one ship at a time into known gatecamp and being baited all too easy) I came to the conclusions that my rifter would do sod all good and I wasn't quite willing to use myself as a meat shield for some dumb FC reading from the Zap Brannigan book of military tactics.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.26 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ava Starfire
Long and short, killed and podded a 4 day toon in an unarmed mining frig; what would you have done? Profit gained, 0.
If he had lived, he might have gone there in something expensive later. You might have saved him a lot of trouble!
Originally by: Ava Starfire
P.S. Now looking for something that actually shoots back. And podkilling in a .4 drops sec status from 4.6 to 2.05, ouch.
I recommend NPC 0.0 regions like the Great Wildlands or Curse.
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Lord Windu
Amarr
Twilight Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.26 13:57:00 -
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I can't even remember the first innocent guy I killed but a friend of mine was with me one day and I decided it was a good time to kill someone so we went looking, he found someone ratting in a cruiser and got me a warp in point for my bomber, I managed to kill the guy mainly because he didn't warp "he thought he was scrammed even though I was 60k away", even got his pod lol. We realised he was a complete noob and my bud started with the guilt so we ended up giving him his loot back and explained about low-sec space. I rarely feel guilt though especially if they smack.
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Apoctasy
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:37:00 -
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You taught him a lesson that he won't forget. That is, don't go to lowsec unless you know what you are doing.
He is probably better off now.
Also, if you had not done it, someone else would have.
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Speshtard
Amarr
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Baillif
As for me...I'd rather smash you in the head with a brick while you weren't paying attention.
Confirming that the best course of action is to smash someone in the head with a brick when they look the other way.
Originally by: Baillif
As for me...I'd rather smash you in the head with a brick while you weren't paying attention.
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Auliax
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Auliax on 26/08/2009 16:17:16
I don't recommend podding in lowsec unless you have zero intentions of ever going into high-sec. And if you continue to mess around in low-sec you'll come to really miss kills like that; 90% of seemingly juicy targets in active low-sec systems are usually bait for lowsec pirate gank-squads.. you'll learn to hate those no-skilled newbs :P
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Ran Khanon
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kate Yeats
Edited by: Kate Yeats on 26/08/2009 12:54:09
Originally by: Ran Khanon
I signed up for factional war 3 days ago, joined a FW corp and didn't look back. Vent supported fleet ops happen every night. I participated in (my first) 8 kills and there is more excitement to the whole game because of potentially dangerous empire space. Lubbin it.
Yeah, I hung around watching some of the FW while I was grinding standings up, eager to sign up and do my bit.
Rather than the crazy awesome low-cost frig battles that I keep being told about by those encouraging me to join FW, what I saw was the merciless slaughter by both sides from T2 and T3 gatecamps.
Add to that some really crappy FC-ing (seeing a rather large fleet warp one ship at a time into known gatecamp and being baited all too easy) I came to the conclusions that my rifter would do sod all good and I wasn't quite willing to use myself as a meat shield for some dumb FC reading from the Zap Brannigan book of military tactics.
Yup. Vasts amounts of cruisers and upwards around in FW as well. The Amarr side is organized very nicely though, as far as I can tell; had the pleasure of being commanded by two great FC's so far. I find that FW people are also very helpful. ^-^
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Davina Braben
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:31:00 -
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Sometimes I send them the cost of their ship if it's that sad. I've also been known to give them a "Pssst. Warp off!" in local if they're sat there in their pod.
It's not obligatory and as has been pointed out, better this than their first BC.
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Ava Starfire
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ava Starfire on 26/08/2009 16:42:07
Wow, thanks for the replies folks! Remorse is gone, as has been said before I knew lowsec was dangerous the first time I went there, he should have known the same. Next time ill try and ransom, though a 4 day toon wont be good moneywise, they can certainly provide some grins/tears/e-rage=)
In retrospect, i suppose its a good thing he was unarmed, as I didnt exactly do everything "right" in that attack, but hopefully the mistakes will lessen with experience. Went back out, the only other person I encountered was in a harby who (thank god for MWDs) i managed to get away from. I dont know if FW is my thing, but ill think about that.
On a totally unrelated (well, mostly unrelated) note, any ideas why i didnt get a KM for the burst or pod? I damn sure took the sec status hit, and he shows kill rights on me now, but no KM, and its not showing on BC either; dont really care about this one, but in the event I one day do something a bit more impressive than killing a burst, would like to be able to prove it. Do i have to enable something to make this work?
edited because spelling is hard
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Pian Shu
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.26 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ava Starfire
On a totally unrelated (well, mostly unrelated) note, any ideas why i didnt get a KM for the burst or pod? I damn sure took the sec status hit, and he shows kill rights on me now, but no KM, and its not showing on BC either; dont really care about this one, but in the event I one day do something a bit more impressive than killing a burst, would like to be able to prove it. Do i have to enable something to make this work?
Just because we can't assume ... you know that a killmail is not really a "mail", right? It shows up in the combat log on your character sheet, it does not get sent to you as an eve mail.
Killmail is kind of a misnomer these days.
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Cordarouy Pants
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Posted - 2009.08.26 18:32:00 -
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Remorse . . . for shooting an internet spaceship . . . in a game where people in internet spaceships shoot other people in internet spaceships.
With respect, I simply do not understand why people feel this way. Similarly, I do not understand why people get so upset when their own internet spaceship gets killed.
Do you feel remorse when attacking another player's country in Risk? How about charging a player rent in the board game Monopoly? Why is EVE any different?
A wise man put it well: THIS IS GAME!
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Chi'kote
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Posted - 2009.08.26 18:46:00 -
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I know your feeling there. I was at a gate in low-sec, waiting for my alt to catch up. Then there was gate fire, and an iteron V came through. I locked him down, then questioned killing him. Just an unarmed hauler. I'm not going to collect anything, just keep moving. But then I said, "this dude is flying unscouted & unescorted in a hauler in low-sec. He needs a lesson." And that was that.
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