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baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.08.27 19:44:00 - [31] Oh stop whining merin and let them have their fun.
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.27 19:49:00 - [32] Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 27/08/2009 19:51:32 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Those are nice pirate ships you listed Merin. Fine, then buy a few more GTCs and replace every ship in your gang with a Phantasm with a 30km warp disruptor. Since I'm so nice, I'll even give you the correct setup for the ship: Zealot Sansha Issue. Just replace one of the LSE IIs with an invulnerability field, and the ACR rig with another CDFE, I am not able to edit the OP by my currently-banned main. Quote: We're doing this not because they're "the best", but because we want to have fun. Then why are you posting about it on the forums? If your only goal is "fun", then why does it matter what setups you have? Either: 1) You really do care about effectiveness, because you are asking for advice on how to improve your setup. OR 2) This whole thread is nothing more than another "look at MEEEEEEE!!!!!! I BOUGHT ANOTHER GTC AND HAVE LOTS OF ISK!!!!!!" thread that you are so famous for. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order Cult of War	Posted - 2009.08.27 19:57:00 - [33] Why not tank the crap out of it, skip the guns, and just fit some faction nos to keep the tank going? You are using this for bait correct? Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Stareatthesun No no no ... Polaris is where CCP keeps the death star that will destroy eve when the servers shut down. Thankfully I've got Interceptors trained to V. S
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.27 20:22:00 - [34] Originally by: Sera Ryskin Just replace one of the LSE IIs with an invulnerability field, and the ACR rig with another CDFE, I am not able to edit the OP by my currently-banned main. Funny how that fit looks almost identical to the one I came up with, without prior knowledge of your thread. [Phantasm, Full Pew] True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Damage Control II True Sansha Medium Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 400 Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive True Sansha Warp Disruptor Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Small Energy Neutralizer True Sansha Small Energy Neutralizer Core Defence Field Extender II Auxiliary Thrusters II Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Warrior II x3 :P www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.08.27 20:22:00 - [35] Originally by: Sera Ryskin This whole thread is nothing more than another "look at MEEEEEEE!!!!!! I BOUGHT ANOTHER GTC AND HAVE LOTS OF ISK!!!!!!" thread that you are so famous for. ...and hey look! You turned this into yet another "look at MEEEEEEEE!!!!! I RESPONDED LIKE AN ASS WHO TAKES EVE WAY TOO SERIOUSLY!!!!" thread that you are so famous for. ----- The Python Cartel - My Pirate Blog
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.27 20:25:00 - [36] Originally by: Sera Ryskin Just replace one of the LSE IIs with an invulnerability field, and the ACR rig with another CDFE, I am not able to edit the OP by my currently-banned main. Funny how that fit looks almost identical to the one I came up with, without prior knowledge of your thread. [Phantasm, Full Pew] True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Damage Control II True Sansha Medium Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 400 Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive True Sansha Warp Disruptor Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Small Energy Neutralizer True Sansha Small Energy Neutralizer Core Defence Field Extender II Auxiliary Thrusters II Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Warrior II x3 :P Oh yeah, forgot to mention that we may pull one of the LSEs off to fit a TD to it for some fleet support. It is in a fleet. Originally by: "Megan Maynard" Why not tank the crap out of it, skip the guns, and just fit some faction nos to keep the tank going? You are using this for bait correct? Yeah, but the active tank thing doesn't really work on it. Did the math; it'd take 582 seconds to make up the EHP of a DB EANM with a small A-Type rep. So yeah; dunno. Still working on ideas. Do you think an active/buffer tank is a more plausible fit? www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2009.08.27 21:40:00 - [37] Originally by: Sera Ryskin Zealot Sansha Issue Of course, the Phantasm is not 2-3x the cost of a Zealot anymore. The recent T2 price hikes have narrowed the premium to about 1.5x the cost of a Zealot, which almost makes the Phantasm a bargain, given its advantages. -- The crazy tree blooms at every moment of liberal ascendancy.
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2009.08.27 21:50:00 - [38] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 27/08/2009 21:50:48 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa [Phantasm, Full Pew] True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Damage Control II That's a good change but only when you swap the 3 T2 HS for DCU II and 2x TS HS. The TS HS almost make up for the lost 3rd T2 HS. And you about double your EHP for it. Quote: True Sansha Medium Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 400 Electrochem is totally adequate, or T2. Excess faction bling is a waste. Quote: Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II What, no Thukker extenders? No DG Invuln? DG Invuln is almost even worth it. I understand why no Thukkers - they only exist in EFT and the unused Thukker LP store. Quote: Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive A hundred mil for no real benefit, except to your KM-whoring opponents. Quote: True Sansha Warp Disruptor Now you're talking. Cheap and good. Quote: True Sansha Small Energy Neutralizer True Sansha Small Energy Neutralizer So you EFT-warriored those onto the fit, even though nobody ever actually has them for sale in game. But somehow you missed the Thukker extenders. You're an enigma, Siigari. Quote: Core Defence Field Extender II Auxiliary Thrusters II Low Friction Nozzle Joints II CDFE all the way, unless you want to fit a Energy Turret Locus rig to take advantage of the extra range of the TS Warp Disruptor. Phantasm is a bit too heavy and slow to nano effectively. -- The crazy tree blooms at every moment of liberal ascendancy.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.27 21:59:00 - [39] Originally by: Guillame Herschel CDFE all the way, unless you want to fit a Energy Turret Locus rig to take advantage of the extra range of the TS Warp Disruptor. Phantasm is a bit too heavy and slow to nano effectively. He ran out of grid. Yeah, also about some of your faction comments: save 7% cap by fitting a c-type MWD. TS Neuts are readily available; Dark Blood are a rarity. cries Also, I didn't EFT warrior those onto my fit; if someone tries to tackle our Phantasm pilot he's going to need some sort of defense against it. The best thing I could fit that had any use left (salvager, anyone?) were two neuts with the best range I could muster. And, at only 20 mil a pop that's reasonable to have some form of anti-frig. My corpmate said he didn't want to pay for a DG Invul; and to be honest with this fit I wouldn't either. 300 mil for an mere 3000 EHP on shields doesn't seem reasonable :\| If it was 100 mil I'd jump on it and insist he fit it but sadly, shield pimping is very restrictive. True, Electrochem is sufficient, but fit Sanshas on your Sanshas cruiser :D Anyway, let's examine the rigs. This ship is a pain to rig :\ 350 cal means you have to be picky about the rigs and I can't manage to get awesome shields out of it without sacrificing something else. Though, please offer more assistance. With the grid being as tight as it is, how would you fit it? www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.27 22:04:00 - [40] Originally by: Dahlia Houghton Dude fly a curse/pilgrim the ashimmu sucks ass. Doesn't matter what you do/put on it, its got crap pg/cpu and its ccp's fault. Moral of the story: Can't polish a turd. actually myth busters did in fact prove that you can polish a peice of Sh!t to shine. Proof
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2009.08.27 22:08:00 - [41] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 27/08/2009 22:09:57 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa save 7% cap by fitting a c-type MWD. Even with a standard T1 MWD, a standard T1 booster with 400's supplies all the cap you'll need. Quote: TS Neuts are readily available; Dark Blood are a rarity. cries You're right. I had the TS confused with DB. Quote: With the grid being as tight as it is, how would you fit it? Grids not all that tight for me. 3 CDFE or 2 CDFE and a Locus rig if I have a TS disruptor. But really, 3 CDFE. Perhaps your deadspace MWD is causing fitting problems I don't have with mine. I also note that the Ashimmu is so **ty, your thread has turned into a Phantasm thread. -- The crazy tree blooms at every moment of liberal ascendancy.**
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.27 22:17:00 - [42] Quote: Funny how that fit looks almost identical to the one I came up with, without prior knowledge of your thread. Similar, but worse. PS: unlike mine, your setup doesn't even fit (well, without giving up your snake set to use a grid implant). Quote: save 7% cap by fitting a c-type MWD. And once again you demonstrate that you have more GTC money than PvP knowledge. The Phantasm has terrible cap, almost your entire cap supply is coming from the cap booster, which means that your 7% increase makes essentially zero difference. The only thing it accomplishes is making your ship more expensive to lose. Quote: TS Neuts are readily available; Dark Blood are a rarity. cries Also, I didn't EFT warrior those onto my fit; if someone tries to tackle our Phantasm pilot he's going to need some sort of defense against it. The best thing I could fit that had any use left (salvager, anyone?) were two neuts with the best range I could muster. And, at only 20 mil a pop that's reasonable to have some form of anti-frig. I wouldn't say they're readily available, obviously they're good, but I left them off the setup because the last time I built a Phantasm, I spent weeks looking for them on contracts without finding even a single faction small neut of for sale. Quote: My corpmate said he didn't want to pay for a DG Invul; and to be honest with this fit I wouldn't either. 300 mil for an mere 3000 EHP on shields doesn't seem reasonable :\| If it was 100 mil I'd jump on it and insist he fit it but sadly, shield pimping is very restrictive. But yet he's willing to pay a ton of ISK for a faction MWD that makes *zero* difference? A faction invuln on a Phantasm makes far more sense than many of your module choices... Quote: True, Electrochem is sufficient, but fit Sanshas on your Sanshas cruiser :D IOW, throw away ISK for no good reason. It's hilarious how once again, you're willing to spend vast amounts of ISK where it doesn't matter, but too cheap to buy a faction invuln that makes a big difference. Quote: This ship is a pain to rig :\ 350 cal means you have to be picky about the rigs and I can't manage to get awesome shields out of it without sacrificing something else. Though, please offer more assistance. Hint: 3x CDFE rigs, T1 or T2, fit with no problem at all. Quote: With the grid being as tight as it is, how would you fit it? I already told you: [Phantasm, Win] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Energy Neutralizer II Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x3 ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.28 05:54:00 - [43] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 28/08/2009 05:54:07 Originally by: Sera Ryskin Phantasm Yeah, this isn't a Phantasm thread, and I'm not even the one flying it. So let's continue discussing the Ashimmu. Anyway, as said previously it's got a great little buffer tank for a cruiser-sized ship (120k EHP with reasonable fittings/implants). I'm personally not willing to throw an extra 450 mil and 3 c-type eanms, so I wouldn't expect my corpmate to throw 300 mil at a DG invul. The c-types barely boost the resistance; which is the problem. Honestly, I'd be better off fitting a-type adaptives for cheaper. Then perhaps I'd tell him to fit a DG invul; bleh I dunno. I'm not going to tell him to spend 300 mil on a mod when I won't. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.28 06:02:00 - [44] Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 28/08/2009 06:03:26 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Anyway, as said previously it's got a great little buffer tank for a cruiser-sized ship (120k EHP with reasonable fittings/implants). And since it has such laughable offense and terrible speed, all that "tank" means is that you get ignored until last, and then once you're primaried, you take 100% damage from everything and sit helplessly while you quickly die. I can't even decide which is more hilarious, that you actually think you can solo with that comedy fit, or that you wasted low slots on a heat sink on a ship with four frigate guns as its only offense. PS: you don't even tank well. A Cynabal, even comedy fit like yours, gets only ~100 less EHP, but over twice as much dps and much better speed to reduce incoming dps: [Cynabal, New Setup 1] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II 10MN Digital Booster Rockets Stasis Webifier II Warp Disruptor II 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Energy Neutralizer II Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II Hobgoblin II x3 Quote: I'm personally not willing to throw an extra 450 mil and 3 c-type eanms, so I wouldn't expect my corpmate to throw 300 mil at a DG invul. The c-types barely boost the resistance; which is the problem. Honestly, I'd be better off fitting a-type adaptives for cheaper. Then perhaps I'd tell him to fit a DG invul; bleh I dunno. The point is that your idiot corp-mate is throwing absurd amounts of money on items that are *absolutely no help to a Phantasm* (MWD, cap booster, terrible T2 rigs) instead of investing that money in modules that can actually be a considerable improvement (upgrading the warp disruptor to 30km, faction invuln). ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Pippan Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2009.08.28 06:13:00 - [45] Tbh the Ashimmu should only be used to kill off vagabonds. ------ Every time you kill a Falcon a kitten is saved. Please, save the kittens.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.28 06:49:00 - [46] Originally by: Sera Ryskin The point is that your idiot corp-mate is throwing absurd amounts of money on items that are *absolutely no help to a Phantasm* (MWD, cap booster, terrible T2 rigs) instead of investing that money in modules that can actually be a considerable improvement (upgrading the warp disruptor to 30km, faction invuln). Except for the whole idiot comment, I think this is the first thing I've ever read coming out of your mouth that makes sense. Sounds reasonable. Just not goin 30km on a warp disruptor when optimal is < 30km and we already have a dedicated tackler. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.28 07:26:00 - [47] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Sounds reasonable. Just not goin 30km on a warp disruptor when optimal is < 30km and we already have a dedicated tackler. It's still more useful than any of the other faction junk, for two reasons: 1) You need more than one tackler. If you're going to spend absurd amounts of money on faction fitting even ships as bad as the Ashimmu, you can't have too many 30km points in the gang. For example, it is a huge benefit against multiple targets, allowing you to keep more of them tackled when their FC calls a retreat. 2) To effectively use the Phantasm's full optimal, you have to have a 30km point. The Phantasm's agility isn't all that great, which means you are going to have trouble holding a perfect orbit, and many ships can take advantage of your lower agility to break out of point range temporarily and escape. The 30km point allows you a much greater buffer against losing point when operating at the full range of the Phantasm's lasers. This is not just from EFT numbers, this is from experience actually flying the ship with and without a 30km point. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.28 08:16:00 - [48] Originally by: Sera Ryskin This is not just from EFT numbers, this is from experience actually flying the ship with and without a 30km point. Cool. You buying? www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.28 08:31:00 - [49] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Sera Ryskin This is not just from EFT numbers, this is from experience actually flying the ship with and without a 30km point. Cool. You buying? Here's a hint: sell the faction junk from the Ashimmu and replace it with T2, the ship will still suck but at least it will be cheap. You should now have enough money to buy 30km points (and other useful modules) for the good ships in your gang. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Ivanna Nuke Daralux	Posted - 2009.08.28 08:35:00 - [50] Keep the Ashimmu. 4x Salvagers. 3x Tractors 1x 10MN MWD, 2x Cap Recharger 2's. 6x Expanded Cargohold 2's 1x Medium Salvage Tackle 2x Cargohold Optimization What I use and it has to be the most pimp salvage ship ever.
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2009.08.28 17:27:00 - [51] Originally by: Ivanna Nuke What I use and it has to be the most pimp salvage ship ever. Hey, you stole my Ashimmu fit. -- The crazy tree blooms at every moment of liberal ascendancy.
Fabienne Dax	Posted - 2009.08.28 17:58:00 - [52] Me thinks Siigari + Sera need to get a room...
Duke Starbuckington	Posted - 2009.08.28 19:06:00 - [53] Ashimmu looks like a used tampon. I ONLY FLY FABULOUS LOOKING SHIPS FOR FABULOUS PEOPLE SUCH AS MYSELF!
Ivanna Nuke Daralux	Posted - 2009.08.29 11:23:00 - [54] Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: Ivanna Nuke What I use and it has to be the most pimp salvage ship ever. Hey, you stole my Ashimmu fit. I posted the fit originally on battleclinic
nakKEDK Gallente tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.08.29 11:56:00 - [55] fitting a useless ship expensive* k

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