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Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.26 08:35:00 - [1] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 26/08/2009 08:45:38 Preface: Okay so I'll be honest; I was deliberating hardcore about whether or not to post this. But, seeing that just about wherever I go nowadays I hear "why don't you come bring a 5 billion t3 cruiser" or some bs, it seems my reputation precedes me. So, here is my Ashimmu fit. It is not quite finished, but I am looking to polish it. I have two fits; one for gang and one for solo. The fits are interchangeable. This ship has poor grid... which is unfortunate. It is in need of a rebalance to offer it at least 200 more grid and perhaps 30 more CPU. Additionally, I don't believe it NEEDS a drone bay, but a 15m3 drone bay would increase this ship's soloing ability considerably. With the poor grid in mind, and the cost of the ship in mind as well, Heavy Lasers are probably out of the question if you want to fit a respectable tank to the slowest cruiser in the game, and still be able to microwarpdrive around with energy in your capacitor. That said, I AM LOOKING FOR ADVICE FOR THIS SHIP. With a set of LG-slaves - which an anonymous benefactor bestowed upon me for only 300 mil ♥ - here are my two fits. [Ashimmu, Support (GANG)] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Heat Sink II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Damage Control II 10MN Digital Booster Rockets Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Gallente Navy Stasis Webifier Dark Blood Medium Energy Neutralizer Dark Blood Small Energy Neutralizer Dark Blood Small Energy Neutralizer Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II 79k EHP 21,702 Armor HP Cap Stable: Cap booster reliant Zaps 270 cap every 12 seconds (or 22.5 cap/s) from 14km. Webs at 21km, or 27.3km. 122 DPS 1187m/s [Ashimmu, Solo] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II 10MN Digital Booster Rockets Dark Blood Medium Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Dark Blood Warp Scrambler Dark Blood Small Energy Neutralizer Dark Blood Small Energy Neutralizer Dark Blood Small Energy Neutralizer Dark Blood Small Energy Neutralizer Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II 120k EHP 28,380 Armor HP Cap Stable: 1 neut, 3 guns and scram running Neutralizes 54 cap a second, 324 volley. 94 DPS 1024m/s Here is a Heavy Laser fit I may consider, but it looks really shoddy to me. [Ashimmu, HPL II] Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Heat Sink II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Damage Control II 10MN Digital Booster Rockets Dark Blood Medium Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Gallente Navy Stasis Webifier Dark Blood Medium Energy Neutralizer Dark Blood Medium Energy Neutralizer Standard Missile Launcher II, Bloodclaw Fury Light Missile Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II 37k EHP 8,437 Armor HP Cap Stable: Yes, with no neuts running. Pops 45 cap a second, with 540 volley. 157 DPS 1357m/s www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Dahlia Houghton DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.26 08:43:00 - [2] Dude fly a curse/pilgrim the ashimmu sucks ass. Doesn't matter what you do/put on it, its got crap pg/cpu and its ccp's fault. Moral of the story: Can't polish a turd.
FlameGlow Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.26 08:47:00 - [3] So it's a thread about yet another stupidly expensive ship you're going to soon lose to some noobs in most amusing way? You could at least pick some worthwhile hull instead, maybe phantasm _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button.
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.26 08:49:00 - [4] Ashimmu needs a lot reballancing, slot layout, fitting, dronebay. The only things that are good atm are the bonuses(that it realy can¦t use because of the bad slot layout and fitting) and the look of it. Also the fittings do nothing a curse couldn¦t do a lot cheaper and probably better overall. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.08.26 08:50:00 - [5] Your solo build intrigues me but alas I only get just under 85k EHP with my EFT (mine might be out of date again) although its still a rather nice buffer. It "should" be good at hitting frigates, cruisers, ratting ravens ect but I'm just not all that convinced with it. Still its the only fit I have seen for it that makes it able to fight something.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.26 08:54:00 - [6] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 26/08/2009 08:56:00 Originally by: baltec1 Your solo build intrigues me but alas I only get just under 85k EHP with my EFT (mine might be out of date again) although its still a rather nice buffer. It "should" be good at hitting frigates, cruisers, ratting ravens ect but I'm just not all that convinced with it. Still its the only fit I have seen for it that makes it able to fight something. I have low-grade slaves installed as I said at the top of my post. Also, I just re-checked the numbers, apparently I had fleet bonuses checked. So that reduces 10% armor HP. So the solo fit actually has: 109k EHP 25,800 Armor HP. I will update the OP to reflect the change. edit: OP changed. Original level 5 fleet numbers are: 120k EHP if all level 5 fleet bonus i.e, alt) 28,380 with level 5 fleet bonus i.e, alt) www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.08.26 09:09:00 - [7] Edited by: Galliana Foresta on 26/08/2009 09:10:06 I'm digging that second fit so far, though my figures differ from yours somewhat seeing as I have maxed armour gang skills and mindlink and refuse to fly without at least a noob alt in a gang so as to recieve bonuses. With that in mind, I get 125k EHP, 90 dps and a bit less speed. Overall, though, seems like a great anti-support ship for murdering friggies - if a little expensive. But hey, the milkshake brings all the boys, etc - knowing how everyone likes to kill faction ships, and you specifically, you won't be short of targets. The HPL fit simply sucks. It's terrible in almost every way, lacking tank and dps. I've been thinking of getting an Asshimu for a while now.. maybe I'll be flying this as bait in FW gangs in future Edit: why don't you come bring a 5 billion t3 cruiser?
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.08.26 09:39:00 - [8] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I have low-grade slaves installed as I said at the top of my post. Also, I just re-checked the numbers, apparently I had fleet bonuses checked. So that reduces 10% armor HP. So the solo fit actually has: 109k EHP 25,800 Armor HP. I will update the OP to reflect the change. Also, in regards to the solo fit I checked some math. I want to fit a Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer, but the EHP bonus it delivers is only 44.2 per second. That means it would take 542 seconds to make up the difference of having an additional Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane fitted instead, but for soloing I believe that MAY be the way to go if I am picky about targets, especially capless targets such as Ravens who can keep firing at me after I deplete their cap. Ah. I knew the implants helped but I just couldnt figure out where the rest was comming from I have been wanting a special ship for a while now but given the cost and abilities I just see the phantasm as a more worthwhile buy for me even though I dont get as much of a tank. It is tempting though so I will be keeping an eye on what happens with yours
Enden Assulu Caldari Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.08.26 09:50:00 - [9] I agree with the first poster, Amarr recons will do what you want this to do but cheaper and better. (Also in before merin) Click the image!
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.26 10:21:00 - [10] Originally by: Enden Assulu Edited by: Enden Assulu on 26/08/2009 10:07:56 I agree with the first poster, Amarr recons will do what you want this to do but cheaper and better. Also what are you going to be killing with 94dps? Your enemy will be the passive tank drake and he will make you cry. On any other ship even with the neuts in the time it will take you to nibble someone down they could of probably called back up which will come fast as ovbiously everyone wants to kill the Ashimmu and lets be honest you aren't renowned for cheaply fitting your ships. (Also in before merin) What on earth makes you think that if after I say "I am going to be selective in picking my targets" that I am going to engage the ONE ship that you know without a doubt could tank the 94 DPS? I'm not going to shoot at Drakes solo, but in my fleet of pirate ships, we very well will. And we'll take him >:3 www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.08.26 10:37:00 - [11] Either blob up so whatever primaries the fancy faction ship gets the crap ganked out of it (which seems to be your plan anyways) or fight things that. 1. Don't have drones 2. Don't have cap injectors 3. Don't have capless weaponry *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2009.08.26 11:11:00 - [12] Originally by: Dahlia Houghton Can't polish a turd. Actually, you can. It takes a few days but it can produce quite a nice shine. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation]
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.26 11:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Dahlia Houghton Can't polish a turd. Actually, you can. It takes a few days but it can produce quite a nice shine. lol, look at what the forums dragged in. Where have you been? www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
demonfurbie Minmatar Covert-Nexus	Posted - 2009.08.26 14:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Dahlia Houghton Can't polish a turd. i beg to differ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI
Hiroshima Jita	Posted - 2009.08.26 14:50:00 - [15] LOL the ashimmu doesnt even have good bonuses. Webs operate at 10-13 km depending on overheat. It gets a web RANGE bonus. Medium nuets operate at 12km. It gets a nuet STRENGTH bonus. ****ing stupid. They both start at about the same range. They should both be either a range bonus or a strength bonus. And while large lasors might be overpowered in issues of range and dps, medium lasors are not. A medium lasor cap use bonus without a damage bonus screams 'Put autocannons on me so you can use the cap for something else!' Something that shares qualities with the maller should not be developed into a 200mil isk ship. (The sacraledge fixes all maller problems. Missiles w/ bonus instead of one cap usage medium lasor bonus. Drone bay. Mids. Its effectively an entirely different ship that happens to use the same model.)
Kendon Riddick	Posted - 2009.08.26 14:53:00 - [16] the fact they are 200 makes me actually laugh out loud. for the things its capable of, i wouldnt pay more than 50m for it in its current form. and anyone who can fly amarr recons but still owns one of these needs their head checking (or not i dont care really)
Suas Perkone	Posted - 2009.08.26 15:11:00 - [17] Hahaha. :Siigari: Atleast use your RMT'd ISK on proper ships. HELLO! I am Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. PREPARE TO DIE!
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.26 15:16:00 - [18] Originally by: demonfurbie Originally by: Dahlia Houghton Can't polish a turd. i beg to differ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI This thread starts to deliver. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2009.08.27 16:11:00 - [19] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Dahlia Houghton Can't polish a turd. Actually, you can. It takes a few days but it can produce quite a nice shine. lol, look at what the forums dragged in. Where have you been? Prison. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation]
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.27 16:21:00 - [20] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Prison. ?? www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Widdle Puns	Posted - 2009.08.27 16:43:00 - [21] Edited by: Widdle Puns on 27/08/2009 16:43:34 Originally by: Kendon Rid**** the fact they are 200 makes me actually laugh out loud. for the things its capable of, i wouldnt pay more than 50m for it in its current form. and anyone who can fly amarr recons but still owns one of these needs their head checking (or not i dont care really) Well, Siigari sets want to buy contracts like this: Megathron Navy issue: 500 Isk (tops). She doesn't even bother baiting with 500 thousand Isk. If she got the Ashimmu the same way, it's all profit, you see.
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.08.27 17:23:00 - [22] Hey Siig. Was fun fighting you and Lenny last night and from that encounter I can definitely say that your biggest issue is DPS. I would probably drop a little bit of tank and a neut or two in order to jam on more guns and a damage mod or two because otherwise you simply don't have the firepower to kill a majority of targets you run into. It also kind of sucks that a ship with web bonuses only gets 3 mids.. would be great if they revamped that thing and gave it at least 4 mids to ensure you can a web or two AND a scram into your fits but I won't hold my breath on CCP changing it any time soon. ----- The Python Cartel - My Pirate Blog
Gin G Halls Of Valhalla	Posted - 2009.08.27 18:21:00 - [23] i hear it works well with dual 180s also by works well i mean well as in slightley above ****ing aweful Please refrain from editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
rodensteiner Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.27 18:23:00 - [24] Could quite possibly kill it with a Rifter.
Ruby Khann	Posted - 2009.08.27 18:27:00 - [25] Quote: That said, I AM LOOKING FOR ADVICE FOR THIS SHIP. Put T2 fittings on a Viator. It's cheaper and you get more DPS.
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2009.08.27 18:30:00 - [26] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 27/08/2009 18:30:46 Originally by: rodensteiner Could quite possibly kill it with a Rifter. I'm pretty sure a Vigil or Cheetah could, too. Basically, anything with a TD that can hit from 15km or so can kill this thing. -- The crazy tree blooms at every moment of liberal ascendancy.
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.27 18:44:00 - [27] Ah yes, more proof that you can't buy PvP skill with GTCs... As for the ship, it's awful. Your setups have hilariously pathetic dps, pathetic neuting ability, and thanks to the pathetic speed, your "amazing" tank is pretty underwhelming. Meanwhile you've dumped an absolutely staggering amount of money into one of the worst ships in the game, resulting in a ship that's pretty much worse in every way than a Pilgrim or Curse, but for many times the price tag. So yeah, feel free to bring this abomination to my Curse, I would love a bunch of free faction loot. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.27 19:19:00 - [28] Originally by: Spectre3353 Hey Siig. Was fun fighting you and Lenny last night and from that encounter I can definitely say that your biggest issue is DPS. I would probably drop a little bit of tank and a neut or two in order to jam on more guns and a damage mod or two because otherwise you simply don't have the firepower to kill a majority of targets you run into. It also kind of sucks that a ship with web bonuses only gets 3 mids.. would be great if they revamped that thing and gave it at least 4 mids to ensure you can a web or two AND a scram into your fits but I won't hold my breath on CCP changing it any time soon. Yeah man, it was a good fight. Truth be told, while the DPS is abysmal, we were missing a few ships. We've got a faction lineup, and right now people are training skills for the ships so we all have maxed out skills. I'm also training up minmatar cruiser 5 because I like the minmatar pirate ships. We're gonna have: Scorch Phantasm (wooo) HAM Gila w/ ECM ;3 (30km w/mwd!) Gank Vigilant w/ shield buffer Tackling Worm Interceptor catching Daredevil My bait Ashimmu, OR Tackling Cynabal (Lenny) MWDving Succubus for anti-drone support and more. That's just a taste. We've got some interesting stuff up our sleeves, so I look forward to seeing how the pirate ships do in a fleet. Good fight o/ We'll see each other again :3 www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.27 19:40:00 - [29] Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 27/08/2009 19:40:58 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa That's just a taste. We've got some interesting stuff up our sleeves, so I look forward to seeing how the pirate ships do in a fleet. Allow me to save you the trouble of GTCing all those ships just to find out how most of them suck: Quote: Scorch Phantasm (wooo) Awesome, and the only truly good ship on that list. Excellent dps, excellent range, a solid buffer, and pretty good speed, the only disadvantage is how much ISK you lose when it gets primaried. But I suppose you have plenty of GTCs to cover that little drawback... Quote: HAM Gila w/ ECM ;3 (30km w/mwd!) Worthless. DPS is poor, and un-bonused ECM has terrible jam chances. The Phantasm just dominates it, or if you absolutely must have missiles, a Cerberus (or Navy Caracal if it has to be faction) will out-perform it in every possible way. Quote: Gank Vigilant w/ shield buffer Mediocre. It's not that it's a terrible ship, but the Phantasm is just better. The Vigilant gains only slightly better dps, but at such terrible range that the Phantasm will take the top spot on the killmails. The only real advantage here is the ECM drones, and if that's what you want, just bring a Falcon. Quote: Tackling Worm Worthless. A Harpy completely outclasses it, and even a (shudders) Hawk is better in every possible way. Quote: Interceptor catching Daredevil Worthless. An interceptor of your own or a Harpy/Ishkur/Jaguar are better in every possible way. Quote: My bait Ashimmu, OR As mentioned before, a hilarious waste of ISK that only someone like you could possibly think is even remotely a good idea. Quote: Tackling Cynabal (Lenny) See "Vigilant" above, except the Cynabal is probably even worse. Quote: MWDving Succubus for anti-drone support Worthless, because the role you are talking about does not exist. Killing drones in a gang fight is a waste of time, and bringing a specialized ship to do it is just painfully stupid. Just bring another Phantasm and kill the drones' controlling ship even faster. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.27 19:43:00 - [30] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 27/08/2009 19:43:20 Originally by: Sera Ryskin stuff Those are nice pirate ships you listed Merin. edit for clarification because I think Merin might be a bit too dense: We're doing this not because they're "the best", but because we want to have fun. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC

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