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Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.26 08:35:00 - [1] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 26/08/2009 08:45:38 Preface: Okay so I'll be honest; I was deliberating hardcore about whether or not to post this. But, seeing that just about wherever I go nowadays I hear "why don't you come bring a 5 billion t3 cruiser" or some bs, it seems my reputation precedes me. So, here is my Ashimmu fit. It is not quite finished, but I am looking to polish it. I have two fits; one for gang and one for solo. The fits are interchangeable. This ship has poor grid... which is unfortunate. It is in need of a rebalance to offer it at least 200 more grid and perhaps 30 more CPU. Additionally, I don't believe it NEEDS a drone bay, but a 15m3 drone bay would increase this ship's soloing ability considerably. With the poor grid in mind, and the cost of the ship in mind as well, Heavy Lasers are probably out of the question if you want to fit a respectable tank to the slowest cruiser in the game, and still be able to microwarpdrive around with energy in your capacitor. That said, I AM LOOKING FOR ADVICE FOR THIS SHIP. With a set of LG-slaves - which an anonymous benefactor bestowed upon me for only 300 mil ♥ - here are my two fits. [Ashimmu, Support (GANG)] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Heat Sink II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Damage Control II 10MN Digital Booster Rockets Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Gallente Navy Stasis Webifier Dark Blood Medium Energy Neutralizer Dark Blood Small Energy Neutralizer Dark Blood Small Energy Neutralizer Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II 79k EHP 21,702 Armor HP Cap Stable: Cap booster reliant Zaps 270 cap every 12 seconds (or 22.5 cap/s) from 14km. Webs at 21km, or 27.3km. 122 DPS 1187m/s [Ashimmu, Solo] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II 10MN Digital Booster Rockets Dark Blood Medium Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Dark Blood Warp Scrambler Dark Blood Small Energy Neutralizer Dark Blood Small Energy Neutralizer Dark Blood Small Energy Neutralizer Dark Blood Small Energy Neutralizer Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II 120k EHP 28,380 Armor HP Cap Stable: 1 neut, 3 guns and scram running Neutralizes 54 cap a second, 324 volley. 94 DPS 1024m/s Here is a Heavy Laser fit I may consider, but it looks really shoddy to me. [Ashimmu, HPL II] Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Heat Sink II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Damage Control II 10MN Digital Booster Rockets Dark Blood Medium Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Gallente Navy Stasis Webifier Dark Blood Medium Energy Neutralizer Dark Blood Medium Energy Neutralizer Standard Missile Launcher II, Bloodclaw Fury Light Missile Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II 37k EHP 8,437 Armor HP Cap Stable: Yes, with no neuts running. Pops 45 cap a second, with 540 volley. 157 DPS 1357m/s www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Dahlia Houghton DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.26 08:43:00 - [2] Dude fly a curse/pilgrim the ashimmu sucks ass. Doesn't matter what you do/put on it, its got crap pg/cpu and its ccp's fault. Moral of the story: Can't polish a turd.
FlameGlow Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.26 08:47:00 - [3] So it's a thread about yet another stupidly expensive ship you're going to soon lose to some noobs in most amusing way? You could at least pick some worthwhile hull instead, maybe phantasm _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button.
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.26 08:49:00 - [4] Ashimmu needs a lot reballancing, slot layout, fitting, dronebay. The only things that are good atm are the bonuses(that it realy can¦t use because of the bad slot layout and fitting) and the look of it. Also the fittings do nothing a curse couldn¦t do a lot cheaper and probably better overall. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.08.26 08:50:00 - [5] Your solo build intrigues me but alas I only get just under 85k EHP with my EFT (mine might be out of date again) although its still a rather nice buffer. It "should" be good at hitting frigates, cruisers, ratting ravens ect but I'm just not all that convinced with it. Still its the only fit I have seen for it that makes it able to fight something.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.26 08:54:00 - [6] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 26/08/2009 08:56:00 Originally by: baltec1 Your solo build intrigues me but alas I only get just under 85k EHP with my EFT (mine might be out of date again) although its still a rather nice buffer. It "should" be good at hitting frigates, cruisers, ratting ravens ect but I'm just not all that convinced with it. Still its the only fit I have seen for it that makes it able to fight something. I have low-grade slaves installed as I said at the top of my post. Also, I just re-checked the numbers, apparently I had fleet bonuses checked. So that reduces 10% armor HP. So the solo fit actually has: 109k EHP 25,800 Armor HP. I will update the OP to reflect the change. edit: OP changed. Original level 5 fleet numbers are: 120k EHP if all level 5 fleet bonus i.e, alt) 28,380 with level 5 fleet bonus i.e, alt) www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.08.26 09:09:00 - [7] Edited by: Galliana Foresta on 26/08/2009 09:10:06 I'm digging that second fit so far, though my figures differ from yours somewhat seeing as I have maxed armour gang skills and mindlink and refuse to fly without at least a noob alt in a gang so as to recieve bonuses. With that in mind, I get 125k EHP, 90 dps and a bit less speed. Overall, though, seems like a great anti-support ship for murdering friggies - if a little expensive. But hey, the milkshake brings all the boys, etc - knowing how everyone likes to kill faction ships, and you specifically, you won't be short of targets. The HPL fit simply sucks. It's terrible in almost every way, lacking tank and dps. I've been thinking of getting an Asshimu for a while now.. maybe I'll be flying this as bait in FW gangs in future Edit: why don't you come bring a 5 billion t3 cruiser?
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.08.26 09:39:00 - [8] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I have low-grade slaves installed as I said at the top of my post. Also, I just re-checked the numbers, apparently I had fleet bonuses checked. So that reduces 10% armor HP. So the solo fit actually has: 109k EHP 25,800 Armor HP. I will update the OP to reflect the change. Also, in regards to the solo fit I checked some math. I want to fit a Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer, but the EHP bonus it delivers is only 44.2 per second. That means it would take 542 seconds to make up the difference of having an additional Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane fitted instead, but for soloing I believe that MAY be the way to go if I am picky about targets, especially capless targets such as Ravens who can keep firing at me after I deplete their cap. Ah. I knew the implants helped but I just couldnt figure out where the rest was comming from I have been wanting a special ship for a while now but given the cost and abilities I just see the phantasm as a more worthwhile buy for me even though I dont get as much of a tank. It is tempting though so I will be keeping an eye on what happens with yours
Enden Assulu Caldari Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.08.26 09:50:00 - [9] I agree with the first poster, Amarr recons will do what you want this to do but cheaper and better. (Also in before merin) Click the image!
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.26 10:21:00 - [10] Originally by: Enden Assulu Edited by: Enden Assulu on 26/08/2009 10:07:56 I agree with the first poster, Amarr recons will do what you want this to do but cheaper and better. Also what are you going to be killing with 94dps? Your enemy will be the passive tank drake and he will make you cry. On any other ship even with the neuts in the time it will take you to nibble someone down they could of probably called back up which will come fast as ovbiously everyone wants to kill the Ashimmu and lets be honest you aren't renowned for cheaply fitting your ships. (Also in before merin) What on earth makes you think that if after I say "I am going to be selective in picking my targets" that I am going to engage the ONE ship that you know without a doubt could tank the 94 DPS? I'm not going to shoot at Drakes solo, but in my fleet of pirate ships, we very well will. And we'll take him >:3 www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.08.26 10:37:00 - [11] Either blob up so whatever primaries the fancy faction ship gets the crap ganked out of it (which seems to be your plan anyways) or fight things that. 1. Don't have drones 2. Don't have cap injectors 3. Don't have capless weaponry *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2009.08.26 11:11:00 - [12] Originally by: Dahlia Houghton Can't polish a turd. Actually, you can. It takes a few days but it can produce quite a nice shine. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation]
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.26 11:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Dahlia Houghton Can't polish a turd. Actually, you can. It takes a few days but it can produce quite a nice shine. lol, look at what the forums dragged in. Where have you been? www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
demonfurbie Minmatar Covert-Nexus	Posted - 2009.08.26 14:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Dahlia Houghton Can't polish a turd. i beg to differ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI
Hiroshima Jita	Posted - 2009.08.26 14:50:00 - [15] LOL the ashimmu doesnt even have good bonuses. Webs operate at 10-13 km depending on overheat. It gets a web RANGE bonus. Medium nuets operate at 12km. It gets a nuet STRENGTH bonus. ****ing stupid. They both start at about the same range. They should both be either a range bonus or a strength bonus. And while large lasors might be overpowered in issues of range and dps, medium lasors are not. A medium lasor cap use bonus without a damage bonus screams 'Put autocannons on me so you can use the cap for something else!' Something that shares qualities with the maller should not be developed into a 200mil isk ship. (The sacraledge fixes all maller problems. Missiles w/ bonus instead of one cap usage medium lasor bonus. Drone bay. Mids. Its effectively an entirely different ship that happens to use the same model.)
Kendon Riddick	Posted - 2009.08.26 14:53:00 - [16] the fact they are 200 makes me actually laugh out loud. for the things its capable of, i wouldnt pay more than 50m for it in its current form. and anyone who can fly amarr recons but still owns one of these needs their head checking (or not i dont care really)
Suas Perkone	Posted - 2009.08.26 15:11:00 - [17] Hahaha. :Siigari: Atleast use your RMT'd ISK on proper ships. HELLO! I am Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. PREPARE TO DIE!
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.26 15:16:00 - [18] Originally by: demonfurbie Originally by: Dahlia Houghton Can't polish a turd. i beg to differ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI This thread starts to deliver. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2009.08.27 16:11:00 - [19] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Dahlia Houghton Can't polish a turd. Actually, you can. It takes a few days but it can produce quite a nice shine. lol, look at what the forums dragged in. Where have you been? Prison. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation]
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.27 16:21:00 - [20] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Prison. ?? www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Widdle Puns	Posted - 2009.08.27 16:43:00 - [21] Edited by: Widdle Puns on 27/08/2009 16:43:34 Originally by: Kendon Rid**** the fact they are 200 makes me actually laugh out loud. for the things its capable of, i wouldnt pay more than 50m for it in its current form. and anyone who can fly amarr recons but still owns one of these needs their head checking (or not i dont care really) Well, Siigari sets want to buy contracts like this: Megathron Navy issue: 500 Isk (tops). She doesn't even bother baiting with 500 thousand Isk. If she got the Ashimmu the same way, it's all profit, you see.
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.08.27 17:23:00 - [22] Hey Siig. Was fun fighting you and Lenny last night and from that encounter I can definitely say that your biggest issue is DPS. I would probably drop a little bit of tank and a neut or two in order to jam on more guns and a damage mod or two because otherwise you simply don't have the firepower to kill a majority of targets you run into. It also kind of sucks that a ship with web bonuses only gets 3 mids.. would be great if they revamped that thing and gave it at least 4 mids to ensure you can a web or two AND a scram into your fits but I won't hold my breath on CCP changing it any time soon. ----- The Python Cartel - My Pirate Blog
Gin G Halls Of Valhalla	Posted - 2009.08.27 18:21:00 - [23] i hear it works well with dual 180s also by works well i mean well as in slightley above ****ing aweful Please refrain from editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
rodensteiner Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.27 18:23:00 - [24] Could quite possibly kill it with a Rifter.
Ruby Khann	Posted - 2009.08.27 18:27:00 - [25] Quote: That said, I AM LOOKING FOR ADVICE FOR THIS SHIP. Put T2 fittings on a Viator. It's cheaper and you get more DPS.
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2009.08.27 18:30:00 - [26] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 27/08/2009 18:30:46 Originally by: rodensteiner Could quite possibly kill it with a Rifter. I'm pretty sure a Vigil or Cheetah could, too. Basically, anything with a TD that can hit from 15km or so can kill this thing. -- The crazy tree blooms at every moment of liberal ascendancy.
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.27 18:44:00 - [27] Ah yes, more proof that you can't buy PvP skill with GTCs... As for the ship, it's awful. Your setups have hilariously pathetic dps, pathetic neuting ability, and thanks to the pathetic speed, your "amazing" tank is pretty underwhelming. Meanwhile you've dumped an absolutely staggering amount of money into one of the worst ships in the game, resulting in a ship that's pretty much worse in every way than a Pilgrim or Curse, but for many times the price tag. So yeah, feel free to bring this abomination to my Curse, I would love a bunch of free faction loot. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.27 19:19:00 - [28] Originally by: Spectre3353 Hey Siig. Was fun fighting you and Lenny last night and from that encounter I can definitely say that your biggest issue is DPS. I would probably drop a little bit of tank and a neut or two in order to jam on more guns and a damage mod or two because otherwise you simply don't have the firepower to kill a majority of targets you run into. It also kind of sucks that a ship with web bonuses only gets 3 mids.. would be great if they revamped that thing and gave it at least 4 mids to ensure you can a web or two AND a scram into your fits but I won't hold my breath on CCP changing it any time soon. Yeah man, it was a good fight. Truth be told, while the DPS is abysmal, we were missing a few ships. We've got a faction lineup, and right now people are training skills for the ships so we all have maxed out skills. I'm also training up minmatar cruiser 5 because I like the minmatar pirate ships. We're gonna have: Scorch Phantasm (wooo) HAM Gila w/ ECM ;3 (30km w/mwd!) Gank Vigilant w/ shield buffer Tackling Worm Interceptor catching Daredevil My bait Ashimmu, OR Tackling Cynabal (Lenny) MWDving Succubus for anti-drone support and more. That's just a taste. We've got some interesting stuff up our sleeves, so I look forward to seeing how the pirate ships do in a fleet. Good fight o/ We'll see each other again :3 www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.27 19:40:00 - [29] Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 27/08/2009 19:40:58 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa That's just a taste. We've got some interesting stuff up our sleeves, so I look forward to seeing how the pirate ships do in a fleet. Allow me to save you the trouble of GTCing all those ships just to find out how most of them suck: Quote: Scorch Phantasm (wooo) Awesome, and the only truly good ship on that list. Excellent dps, excellent range, a solid buffer, and pretty good speed, the only disadvantage is how much ISK you lose when it gets primaried. But I suppose you have plenty of GTCs to cover that little drawback... Quote: HAM Gila w/ ECM ;3 (30km w/mwd!) Worthless. DPS is poor, and un-bonused ECM has terrible jam chances. The Phantasm just dominates it, or if you absolutely must have missiles, a Cerberus (or Navy Caracal if it has to be faction) will out-perform it in every possible way. Quote: Gank Vigilant w/ shield buffer Mediocre. It's not that it's a terrible ship, but the Phantasm is just better. The Vigilant gains only slightly better dps, but at such terrible range that the Phantasm will take the top spot on the killmails. The only real advantage here is the ECM drones, and if that's what you want, just bring a Falcon. Quote: Tackling Worm Worthless. A Harpy completely outclasses it, and even a (shudders) Hawk is better in every possible way. Quote: Interceptor catching Daredevil Worthless. An interceptor of your own or a Harpy/Ishkur/Jaguar are better in every possible way. Quote: My bait Ashimmu, OR As mentioned before, a hilarious waste of ISK that only someone like you could possibly think is even remotely a good idea. Quote: Tackling Cynabal (Lenny) See "Vigilant" above, except the Cynabal is probably even worse. Quote: MWDving Succubus for anti-drone support Worthless, because the role you are talking about does not exist. Killing drones in a gang fight is a waste of time, and bringing a specialized ship to do it is just painfully stupid. Just bring another Phantasm and kill the drones' controlling ship even faster. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.27 19:43:00 - [30] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 27/08/2009 19:43:20 Originally by: Sera Ryskin stuff Those are nice pirate ships you listed Merin. edit for clarification because I think Merin might be a bit too dense: We're doing this not because they're "the best", but because we want to have fun. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.08.27 19:44:00 - [31] Oh stop whining merin and let them have their fun.
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.27 19:49:00 - [32] Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 27/08/2009 19:51:32 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Those are nice pirate ships you listed Merin. Fine, then buy a few more GTCs and replace every ship in your gang with a Phantasm with a 30km warp disruptor. Since I'm so nice, I'll even give you the correct setup for the ship: Zealot Sansha Issue. Just replace one of the LSE IIs with an invulnerability field, and the ACR rig with another CDFE, I am not able to edit the OP by my currently-banned main. Quote: We're doing this not because they're "the best", but because we want to have fun. Then why are you posting about it on the forums? If your only goal is "fun", then why does it matter what setups you have? Either: 1) You really do care about effectiveness, because you are asking for advice on how to improve your setup. OR 2) This whole thread is nothing more than another "look at MEEEEEEE!!!!!! I BOUGHT ANOTHER GTC AND HAVE LOTS OF ISK!!!!!!" thread that you are so famous for. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order Cult of War	Posted - 2009.08.27 19:57:00 - [33] Why not tank the crap out of it, skip the guns, and just fit some faction nos to keep the tank going? You are using this for bait correct? Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Stareatthesun No no no ... Polaris is where CCP keeps the death star that will destroy eve when the servers shut down. Thankfully I've got Interceptors trained to V. S
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.27 20:22:00 - [34] Originally by: Sera Ryskin Just replace one of the LSE IIs with an invulnerability field, and the ACR rig with another CDFE, I am not able to edit the OP by my currently-banned main. Funny how that fit looks almost identical to the one I came up with, without prior knowledge of your thread. [Phantasm, Full Pew] True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Damage Control II True Sansha Medium Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 400 Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive True Sansha Warp Disruptor Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Small Energy Neutralizer True Sansha Small Energy Neutralizer Core Defence Field Extender II Auxiliary Thrusters II Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Warrior II x3 :P www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.08.27 20:22:00 - [35] Originally by: Sera Ryskin This whole thread is nothing more than another "look at MEEEEEEE!!!!!! I BOUGHT ANOTHER GTC AND HAVE LOTS OF ISK!!!!!!" thread that you are so famous for. ...and hey look! You turned this into yet another "look at MEEEEEEEE!!!!! I RESPONDED LIKE AN ASS WHO TAKES EVE WAY TOO SERIOUSLY!!!!" thread that you are so famous for. ----- The Python Cartel - My Pirate Blog
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.27 20:25:00 - [36] Originally by: Sera Ryskin Just replace one of the LSE IIs with an invulnerability field, and the ACR rig with another CDFE, I am not able to edit the OP by my currently-banned main. Funny how that fit looks almost identical to the one I came up with, without prior knowledge of your thread. [Phantasm, Full Pew] True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Damage Control II True Sansha Medium Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 400 Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive True Sansha Warp Disruptor Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Small Energy Neutralizer True Sansha Small Energy Neutralizer Core Defence Field Extender II Auxiliary Thrusters II Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Warrior II x3 :P Oh yeah, forgot to mention that we may pull one of the LSEs off to fit a TD to it for some fleet support. It is in a fleet. Originally by: "Megan Maynard" Why not tank the crap out of it, skip the guns, and just fit some faction nos to keep the tank going? You are using this for bait correct? Yeah, but the active tank thing doesn't really work on it. Did the math; it'd take 582 seconds to make up the EHP of a DB EANM with a small A-Type rep. So yeah; dunno. Still working on ideas. Do you think an active/buffer tank is a more plausible fit? www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2009.08.27 21:40:00 - [37] Originally by: Sera Ryskin Zealot Sansha Issue Of course, the Phantasm is not 2-3x the cost of a Zealot anymore. The recent T2 price hikes have narrowed the premium to about 1.5x the cost of a Zealot, which almost makes the Phantasm a bargain, given its advantages. -- The crazy tree blooms at every moment of liberal ascendancy.
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2009.08.27 21:50:00 - [38] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 27/08/2009 21:50:48 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa [Phantasm, Full Pew] True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Damage Control II That's a good change but only when you swap the 3 T2 HS for DCU II and 2x TS HS. The TS HS almost make up for the lost 3rd T2 HS. And you about double your EHP for it. Quote: True Sansha Medium Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 400 Electrochem is totally adequate, or T2. Excess faction bling is a waste. Quote: Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II What, no Thukker extenders? No DG Invuln? DG Invuln is almost even worth it. I understand why no Thukkers - they only exist in EFT and the unused Thukker LP store. Quote: Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive A hundred mil for no real benefit, except to your KM-whoring opponents. Quote: True Sansha Warp Disruptor Now you're talking. Cheap and good. Quote: True Sansha Small Energy Neutralizer True Sansha Small Energy Neutralizer So you EFT-warriored those onto the fit, even though nobody ever actually has them for sale in game. But somehow you missed the Thukker extenders. You're an enigma, Siigari. Quote: Core Defence Field Extender II Auxiliary Thrusters II Low Friction Nozzle Joints II CDFE all the way, unless you want to fit a Energy Turret Locus rig to take advantage of the extra range of the TS Warp Disruptor. Phantasm is a bit too heavy and slow to nano effectively. -- The crazy tree blooms at every moment of liberal ascendancy.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.27 21:59:00 - [39] Originally by: Guillame Herschel CDFE all the way, unless you want to fit a Energy Turret Locus rig to take advantage of the extra range of the TS Warp Disruptor. Phantasm is a bit too heavy and slow to nano effectively. He ran out of grid. Yeah, also about some of your faction comments: save 7% cap by fitting a c-type MWD. TS Neuts are readily available; Dark Blood are a rarity. cries Also, I didn't EFT warrior those onto my fit; if someone tries to tackle our Phantasm pilot he's going to need some sort of defense against it. The best thing I could fit that had any use left (salvager, anyone?) were two neuts with the best range I could muster. And, at only 20 mil a pop that's reasonable to have some form of anti-frig. My corpmate said he didn't want to pay for a DG Invul; and to be honest with this fit I wouldn't either. 300 mil for an mere 3000 EHP on shields doesn't seem reasonable :\| If it was 100 mil I'd jump on it and insist he fit it but sadly, shield pimping is very restrictive. True, Electrochem is sufficient, but fit Sanshas on your Sanshas cruiser :D Anyway, let's examine the rigs. This ship is a pain to rig :\ 350 cal means you have to be picky about the rigs and I can't manage to get awesome shields out of it without sacrificing something else. Though, please offer more assistance. With the grid being as tight as it is, how would you fit it? www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.27 22:04:00 - [40] Originally by: Dahlia Houghton Dude fly a curse/pilgrim the ashimmu sucks ass. Doesn't matter what you do/put on it, its got crap pg/cpu and its ccp's fault. Moral of the story: Can't polish a turd. actually myth busters did in fact prove that you can polish a peice of Sh!t to shine. Proof
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2009.08.27 22:08:00 - [41] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 27/08/2009 22:09:57 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa save 7% cap by fitting a c-type MWD. Even with a standard T1 MWD, a standard T1 booster with 400's supplies all the cap you'll need. Quote: TS Neuts are readily available; Dark Blood are a rarity. cries You're right. I had the TS confused with DB. Quote: With the grid being as tight as it is, how would you fit it? Grids not all that tight for me. 3 CDFE or 2 CDFE and a Locus rig if I have a TS disruptor. But really, 3 CDFE. Perhaps your deadspace MWD is causing fitting problems I don't have with mine. I also note that the Ashimmu is so **ty, your thread has turned into a Phantasm thread. -- The crazy tree blooms at every moment of liberal ascendancy.**
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.27 22:17:00 - [42] Quote: Funny how that fit looks almost identical to the one I came up with, without prior knowledge of your thread. Similar, but worse. PS: unlike mine, your setup doesn't even fit (well, without giving up your snake set to use a grid implant). Quote: save 7% cap by fitting a c-type MWD. And once again you demonstrate that you have more GTC money than PvP knowledge. The Phantasm has terrible cap, almost your entire cap supply is coming from the cap booster, which means that your 7% increase makes essentially zero difference. The only thing it accomplishes is making your ship more expensive to lose. Quote: TS Neuts are readily available; Dark Blood are a rarity. cries Also, I didn't EFT warrior those onto my fit; if someone tries to tackle our Phantasm pilot he's going to need some sort of defense against it. The best thing I could fit that had any use left (salvager, anyone?) were two neuts with the best range I could muster. And, at only 20 mil a pop that's reasonable to have some form of anti-frig. I wouldn't say they're readily available, obviously they're good, but I left them off the setup because the last time I built a Phantasm, I spent weeks looking for them on contracts without finding even a single faction small neut of for sale. Quote: My corpmate said he didn't want to pay for a DG Invul; and to be honest with this fit I wouldn't either. 300 mil for an mere 3000 EHP on shields doesn't seem reasonable :\| If it was 100 mil I'd jump on it and insist he fit it but sadly, shield pimping is very restrictive. But yet he's willing to pay a ton of ISK for a faction MWD that makes *zero* difference? A faction invuln on a Phantasm makes far more sense than many of your module choices... Quote: True, Electrochem is sufficient, but fit Sanshas on your Sanshas cruiser :D IOW, throw away ISK for no good reason. It's hilarious how once again, you're willing to spend vast amounts of ISK where it doesn't matter, but too cheap to buy a faction invuln that makes a big difference. Quote: This ship is a pain to rig :\ 350 cal means you have to be picky about the rigs and I can't manage to get awesome shields out of it without sacrificing something else. Though, please offer more assistance. Hint: 3x CDFE rigs, T1 or T2, fit with no problem at all. Quote: With the grid being as tight as it is, how would you fit it? I already told you: [Phantasm, Win] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Energy Neutralizer II Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x3 ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.28 05:54:00 - [43] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 28/08/2009 05:54:07 Originally by: Sera Ryskin Phantasm Yeah, this isn't a Phantasm thread, and I'm not even the one flying it. So let's continue discussing the Ashimmu. Anyway, as said previously it's got a great little buffer tank for a cruiser-sized ship (120k EHP with reasonable fittings/implants). I'm personally not willing to throw an extra 450 mil and 3 c-type eanms, so I wouldn't expect my corpmate to throw 300 mil at a DG invul. The c-types barely boost the resistance; which is the problem. Honestly, I'd be better off fitting a-type adaptives for cheaper. Then perhaps I'd tell him to fit a DG invul; bleh I dunno. I'm not going to tell him to spend 300 mil on a mod when I won't. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.28 06:02:00 - [44] Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 28/08/2009 06:03:26 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Anyway, as said previously it's got a great little buffer tank for a cruiser-sized ship (120k EHP with reasonable fittings/implants). And since it has such laughable offense and terrible speed, all that "tank" means is that you get ignored until last, and then once you're primaried, you take 100% damage from everything and sit helplessly while you quickly die. I can't even decide which is more hilarious, that you actually think you can solo with that comedy fit, or that you wasted low slots on a heat sink on a ship with four frigate guns as its only offense. PS: you don't even tank well. A Cynabal, even comedy fit like yours, gets only ~100 less EHP, but over twice as much dps and much better speed to reduce incoming dps: [Cynabal, New Setup 1] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II 10MN Digital Booster Rockets Stasis Webifier II Warp Disruptor II 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Energy Neutralizer II Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II Hobgoblin II x3 Quote: I'm personally not willing to throw an extra 450 mil and 3 c-type eanms, so I wouldn't expect my corpmate to throw 300 mil at a DG invul. The c-types barely boost the resistance; which is the problem. Honestly, I'd be better off fitting a-type adaptives for cheaper. Then perhaps I'd tell him to fit a DG invul; bleh I dunno. The point is that your idiot corp-mate is throwing absurd amounts of money on items that are *absolutely no help to a Phantasm* (MWD, cap booster, terrible T2 rigs) instead of investing that money in modules that can actually be a considerable improvement (upgrading the warp disruptor to 30km, faction invuln). ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Pippan Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2009.08.28 06:13:00 - [45] Tbh the Ashimmu should only be used to kill off vagabonds. ------ Every time you kill a Falcon a kitten is saved. Please, save the kittens.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.28 06:49:00 - [46] Originally by: Sera Ryskin The point is that your idiot corp-mate is throwing absurd amounts of money on items that are *absolutely no help to a Phantasm* (MWD, cap booster, terrible T2 rigs) instead of investing that money in modules that can actually be a considerable improvement (upgrading the warp disruptor to 30km, faction invuln). Except for the whole idiot comment, I think this is the first thing I've ever read coming out of your mouth that makes sense. Sounds reasonable. Just not goin 30km on a warp disruptor when optimal is < 30km and we already have a dedicated tackler. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.28 07:26:00 - [47] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Sounds reasonable. Just not goin 30km on a warp disruptor when optimal is < 30km and we already have a dedicated tackler. It's still more useful than any of the other faction junk, for two reasons: 1) You need more than one tackler. If you're going to spend absurd amounts of money on faction fitting even ships as bad as the Ashimmu, you can't have too many 30km points in the gang. For example, it is a huge benefit against multiple targets, allowing you to keep more of them tackled when their FC calls a retreat. 2) To effectively use the Phantasm's full optimal, you have to have a 30km point. The Phantasm's agility isn't all that great, which means you are going to have trouble holding a perfect orbit, and many ships can take advantage of your lower agility to break out of point range temporarily and escape. The 30km point allows you a much greater buffer against losing point when operating at the full range of the Phantasm's lasers. This is not just from EFT numbers, this is from experience actually flying the ship with and without a 30km point. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.08.28 08:16:00 - [48] Originally by: Sera Ryskin This is not just from EFT numbers, this is from experience actually flying the ship with and without a 30km point. Cool. You buying? www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.28 08:31:00 - [49] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Sera Ryskin This is not just from EFT numbers, this is from experience actually flying the ship with and without a 30km point. Cool. You buying? Here's a hint: sell the faction junk from the Ashimmu and replace it with T2, the ship will still suck but at least it will be cheap. You should now have enough money to buy 30km points (and other useful modules) for the good ships in your gang. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Ivanna Nuke Daralux	Posted - 2009.08.28 08:35:00 - [50] Keep the Ashimmu. 4x Salvagers. 3x Tractors 1x 10MN MWD, 2x Cap Recharger 2's. 6x Expanded Cargohold 2's 1x Medium Salvage Tackle 2x Cargohold Optimization What I use and it has to be the most pimp salvage ship ever.
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2009.08.28 17:27:00 - [51] Originally by: Ivanna Nuke What I use and it has to be the most pimp salvage ship ever. Hey, you stole my Ashimmu fit. -- The crazy tree blooms at every moment of liberal ascendancy.
Fabienne Dax	Posted - 2009.08.28 17:58:00 - [52] Me thinks Siigari + Sera need to get a room...
Duke Starbuckington	Posted - 2009.08.28 19:06:00 - [53] Ashimmu looks like a used tampon. I ONLY FLY FABULOUS LOOKING SHIPS FOR FABULOUS PEOPLE SUCH AS MYSELF!
Ivanna Nuke Daralux	Posted - 2009.08.29 11:23:00 - [54] Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: Ivanna Nuke What I use and it has to be the most pimp salvage ship ever. Hey, you stole my Ashimmu fit. I posted the fit originally on battleclinic
nakKEDK Gallente tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.08.29 11:56:00 - [55] fitting a useless ship expensive* k

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