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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.08.26 13:26:00 -
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Hello eve-o forums,
*rabble rabble rabble rabble*
Quiet down now please. Cat, we all known you're here. You can stop telling people you're here in the OP. It's kindof embarrassing.
OK! So there's this new game DUST. I'm sure you've read the other 2 million threads about it and posted about how much you hate it. And then posted about how much you hate CCP. And then someone like me read your posts and felt pity for someone who'd pay a subscription to a game that they hate that they feel is going to be ruined every day because there was an eclipse, or snow fell on the north pole, or santa isn't real or whatever. Then I'd remember that you're the kind of person that writes the best hate mail! So, I thank whatever logic you use to stay in eve because the target practise is nice to have around.
Anyhow, so I many of you hate it because it's a console game and you are FTL at consoles. Even that pimply 15 year old WoW addict can beat you every time you play halo. And god he's so annoying. I know... I really do.
So, let me explain why publications like Massively and Gamespot are so interested in DUST.
First of all CCP made eve. Here are some quotes to help you understand that.
"CCP projects the game will surpass 400,000 subscribers in two years, effectively doubling their current universe. So in the near future, they hope the population of their virtual world surpasses that of their native Iceland. And at some point in 2008, the number of player man-years spent inside EVE surpassed 250,000, which means more human effort has been spent in the construction of EVE's society than is estimated on the construction of the pyramids."
"Typical game companies won't discuss more than one expansion in the future, and build entire updates around new dungeons, races and classes. CCP plans to redo all the art in a nearly five year old game, fully integrate voice chat, launch a completely new avatar system, begin a democratically elected player advocacy council, launch the game on the Mac and Linux, reconfigure the game's base architecture and migrate it to a network of super computers and completely re-write two version's of the game's client to support new visuals and DirectX 10. This is just on the road map for the end of next year, it's all free and doesn't include actual gameplay improvements or any of their many side-projects, like a novel, EVE Web Wars, a trading card game and, of course, World of Darkness Online, a completely new AAA MMOG project."
Those quotes are over 2 years old so please take the last one with a grain of salt. Also keep in mind DUST was what they were working on NOT WoD. Of course it was being kept completely secret at the time. Also they've accomplished all of this except for releasing WiS.
If you find it hard to feel that eve is badass at this point, or that CCP doesn't do anything you should stop reading now and go troll another thread.
Continuing.... So now CCP is making DUST. A game that will be an "MMO FPS". Something I've only heard of in one other game... Planetside. And the people who played it loved it. There were no 15 year old halo/BF n00bs griefing maps and wandering from place to place blasting anything moving. Why? Because if they did they'd get pwned very quickly. Then they would emo rage quit. (This happens all the time on eve-o).
So now talking about DUST we can say with some amount of evidence that FPS MMOs can work well. And there is structure and organization (that's the point afterall). A point I thought was given, but some people can't seem to wrap their head around console players that aren't nublet morons.
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.08.26 13:27:00 -
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No Homo
Gallente Big Heart Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.26 13:29:00 -
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moar dust plx
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Mr Pentex
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Posted - 2009.08.26 13:32:00 -
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Nice post. All i can say
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.26 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox
There were no 15 year old halo/BF n00bs griefing maps and wandering from place to place blasting anything moving. Why? Because if they did they'd get pwned very quickly. Then they would emo rage quit. (This happens all the time on eve-o).
So now talking about DUST we can say with some amount of evidence that FPS MMOs can work well. And there is structure and organization (that's the point afterall). A point I thought was given, but some people can't seem to wrap their head around console players that aren't nublet morons.
Im personally thinking positive about the console thing, since i own a ps3.
However, the two points above are not hitting the nail on the head as for what the concerns of most people are.
Most people are angry because something on a whole other platform in a whole other game will influence their sov.
Thats why i hope they will release a pc version not long after the dust release.
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.08.26 14:08:00 -
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There you have it. An epic post for such a dead beaten horse but oh well.
I'm all soaked in gasoline now so bring it on! *-------------------------* PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!! |
Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.26 14:09:00 -
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Hi Mashie here,
I like this thread, there are many like it but this one is yours.
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.08.26 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana Hi Mashie here,
I like this thread, there are many like it but this one is yours.
Didn't really burn but very funny. Pulling off the cat impersonation gives you 5 points easy I got a little singed there. The simultaneous reference to full metal jacket and this topic's overuse deserves credit, but insinuating overuse of the topic is unoriginal. I give that part only 3 points.
A "THIS IS GAME" might have pushed you over the top!
You get 8/10.
That's the best score I've ever given. Good flame man. *-------------------------* PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!! |
Sabriele
Amarr Intelligent Concepts Inc SUB ROSA ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2009.08.26 14:29:00 -
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THIS IS GAME
also, for the amount effort put into this, HAVE A BIG GLASS OF PEPSI
also again, nice post, the only problem is the people who are constantly complaining about change, (then complaining about things that should be changed but havnt been, then complaining when they do get changed because they didnt like the change), will likely completely miss the point of what you are saying and carry on complaining moaning anyway...
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.08.26 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox Also keep in mind DUST was what they were working on NOT WoD.
Care to direct me to the CCP statement?
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Sabriele
Amarr Intelligent Concepts Inc SUB ROSA ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2009.08.26 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox Also keep in mind DUST was what they were working on NOT WoD.
Care to direct me to the CCP statement?
YOU MUST ASK
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2009.08.26 14:39:00 -
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Nice to have a positive thread on the few facts we have without jumping to conclusions and "OMG EVE is dieing!!!111" rabble.
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Sabriele
Amarr Intelligent Concepts Inc SUB ROSA ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2009.08.26 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Nika Dekaia Nice to have a positive thread on the few facts we have without jumping to conclusions and "OMG EVE is dieing!!!111" rabble.
eve IS dying, its because of DUST because they said it controls SOV, so all of gallente starter areas are belong to caldari.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.26 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox Also keep in mind DUST was what they were working on NOT WoD.
Care to direct me to the CCP statement?
There is no such statement.
The truth is: They have stated on the gamecom that WoD is still in development.
Dust514 |
Attrezzo Pox
Amarr The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.08.26 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox Also keep in mind DUST was what they were working on NOT WoD.
Care to direct me to the CCP statement?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3LW5jEbeY8
In the presentation Hilmar says CCP has been working on DUST for 3 years secretly. 2009-3=2006. The article those quotes are from was written in late 2006/early 2007.
It's obvious that speculation about WoD has been misinterpreted, CCP said in 2006 they were going to make WoD online. They didn't say they had started work on it. The author of the quoted article ASSUMED it was WoD because of the White Wolf merger. He had no way of knowing DUST even existed as a concept at the time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_darkness#WoD_MMORPG Recent speculation is that they've started production on WoD and might release in 4 to 5 years. This is somewhat realistic as they've proven they can keep a secret.
So there you have it. I'm sure with some digging you can get more. Remember what you asked for though CCP statements. I challenge you to find a CCP statement that proves me wrong. *-------------------------* PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!! |
Attrezzo Pox
Amarr The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.08.26 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sabriele
Originally by: Nika Dekaia Nice to have a positive thread on the few facts we have without jumping to conclusions and "OMG EVE is dieing!!!111" rabble.
eve IS dying, its because of DUST because they said it controls SOV, so all of gallente starter areas are belong to caldari.
Much better flame. heh. *-------------------------* PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!! |
THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.08.26 14:55:00 -
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Hi Lock here,
I didn't bother reading one bit of this dust thread as I'm quite positive somebody has asked what you have asked and stated what you have stated in the multitude of dust threads now. There are some massive Dust threads in OOPE where you may find what you are looking for as dust threads got moved there a while back so the denizens of GD didn't have to put up with them.
Originally by: Whitehound
If I think, but I do not.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: THE L0CK Hi Lock here,
I didn't bother reading one bit of this dust thread as I'm quite positive somebody has asked what you have asked and stated what you have stated in the multitude of dust threads now. There are some massive Dust threads in OOPE where you may find what you are looking for as dust threads got moved there a while back so the denizens of GD didn't have to put up with them.
... and now have relaxed that restriction now that the post patch forum fury is over.
Pro tip: Next time read before you comment. It makes you look a bit less like a tart.
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:13:00 -
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Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 26/08/2009 15:13:57
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox Remember what you asked for though CCP statements. I challenge you to find a CCP statement that proves me wrong.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Dansel
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:30:00 -
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One of the better posts about this so far, head over to dust514.org if you wanna wind more seriuss stuff than OOPE ----------------- Yay!! |
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:59:00 -
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This one.
First of all it was released in July 2008. Did you read this "Document" it's stated multiple times that WoD is in "Pre-production".
A quote "The third product, World of Darkness, is currently in pre-production." It restates this several times.
Here's a good one to help you understand what pre-production means in "AGILE" game development.
So at the time of this document's conception the launch date of WoD was given as a preliminary goal. One that's not set in stone. It never indicated any actual work had been done on creating a decent game. Oh well. That doesn't say anything to me really.
or this one
I'll take the best quote from the article "It's development will take at least four years..." It was written in 2007. 2007+4=2011.
or this one
And again... another quote from your own article "Those financial documents from January stated the game would be launched in 2010 but as Blue's News points out, that's probably inaccurate. If the game were really that close to release, CCP would be releasing actual details about the game."
or how about this one for the winner.
Or more indirectly, the winter 2008 statement that they pulled all people of other projects (plural) and put them to work on EVE in order to ship Apocrypha in time for the boxed launch date.
Initial MMO design and prototyping can and is often done with only a small team. CCP employs about ~500 people currently. Initial EVE development was done with 21 persons. Granted, a lot of those 500 won't be designers/artists/programmers.
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw Edit: The cherry on top: Keynote speech said dust was developed at CCP Shanghai, the one I linked for the winner says WoD is developed at CCP Atlanta.
I think we've misconstrued each other.
First of all, I'm not argueing that WoD wasn't being developed at all. I'm just saying it's possible the guy who wrote my quote in late 2006 was likely guessing. It was to prevent flames saying "THEY HAVEN'T WORKED ON WoD! bahhhh!".
Secondly, I'm not trying to say they're not developing WoD now or anytime in the past. Indeed I think you've proved that they're taking on at least three MAJOR development fronts, DUST, Eve, and WoD.
Finally, if anything, this proves that they're that much more badass because they were working on all of them at the same time.
I think you and I are agreeing more than we disagree. *-------------------------* PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!! |
THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: THE L0CK Hi Lock here,
I didn't bother reading one bit of this dust thread as I'm quite positive somebody has asked what you have asked and stated what you have stated in the multitude of dust threads now. There are some massive Dust threads in OOPE where you may find what you are looking for as dust threads got moved there a while back so the denizens of GD didn't have to put up with them.
... and now have relaxed that restriction now that the post patch forum fury is over.
Pro tip: Next time read before you comment. It makes you look a bit less like a tart.
Did I say read the sticky !!!1one1!!!? No?
Did I mention that there are several threads in OOPE that most likely have the information that he has displayed because the mods moved them there a while back and never moved them back.
Pro tip: Next time read before you comment. It makes you look a bit less like a tart.
Originally by: Whitehound
If I think, but I do not.
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar Blood Association of Dragons Blood Alliance of Dragons
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Posted - 2009.08.26 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: Joe Skellington on 26/08/2009 17:24:57
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox
In the presentation Hilmar says CCP has been working on DUST for 3 years secretly.
Which sucks, because they have been promising planetary interaction for EVE, and even showed demos of it. All the while working in secret on a console game. So we get cheated out of more content that was promised to us. That is why most of the people I know are ****ed.
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Doomed Predator
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.26 17:27:00 -
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Wait until fanfest and then shout that EVE is dead. Before that it's all wild speculation. The 'Fendahlian Collective' strikes again |
Wulfnor
Caldari Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.26 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Wulfnor on 26/08/2009 17:55:04
Originally by: THE L0CK
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: THE L0CK Hi Lock here,
I didn't bother reading one bit of this dust thread as I'm quite positive somebody has asked what you have asked and stated what you have stated in the multitude of dust threads now. There are some massive Dust threads in OOPE where you may find what you are looking for as dust threads got moved there a while back so the denizens of GD didn't have to put up with them.
... and now have relaxed that restriction now that the post patch forum fury is over.
Pro tip: Next time read before you comment. It makes you look a bit less like a tart.
Did I say read the sticky !!!1one1!!!? No?
Did I mention that there are several threads in OOPE that most likely have the information that he has displayed because the mods moved them there a while back and never moved them back.
Pro tip: Next time read before you comment. It makes you look a bit less like a tart.
How you can be any kinda positive about something you proudly proclaim you did not read, then to go on and give people a pro tip to read before commenting on things makes me wonder how valid anything you write might be.
if you wish to point people to some area there is some else to read on the topic then do so. The rest of what you have written is a distraction at best.
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.08.26 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: Attrezzo Pox on 26/08/2009 18:05:35
Originally by: Joe Skellington Edited by: Joe Skellington on 26/08/2009 17:24:57
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox
In the presentation Hilmar says CCP has been working on DUST for 3 years secretly.
Which sucks, because they have been promising planetary interaction for EVE, and even showed demos of it. All the while working in secret on a console game. So we get cheated out of more content that was promised to us. That is why most of the people I know are ****ed.
Right... Cheated out of what exactly? You'll get your planetary interaction in eve, as promised. I guess it's like always though. It's not EXACTLY like you imagined so lets come whine about it. CCP didn't do this, BECAUSE OF FALCON!, my life is ruined, emo emo. I can't cope with a world of change omg.
No credence to the fact that it's literally some of the biggest news out of CEP. Or that the concept is more or less an entirely new innovation in gaming. I guess it's easy to forget that CCP has the largest persistent gaming world ever. Or that they've engineered a place that's breaking rl gaming records and preconceptions all the time. Apparently, eve at least meets enough of your expectations that you're worried about it being ruined. That's an accomplishment in itself. But it doesn't matter does it?
None of that factors in. What does though is that you don't have a console, but you desperately want to shoot something. Your perfect world where you leave your pod to go play star wars or earth and beyond or wow on a planet in eve is ruined.
crymore.
I think you and your mad friends should fly into lowsec and sit at planet one in evati in protest. Then when you're all popped and podded ragequit and be done with it.
Hey, maybe you can go make the game you were thinking about after leaving such a terrible game behind. And such a wretched game company like CCP who *gasp* denies you the ability to play another clone version of Battlefield 2 with an eve twist. Yeah the same CCP that won't put more lvl4 faction missions in high sec that overpay, and doesn't allow warp bubbles on lowsec gates. The same CCP who cheated you out of 0.0 because it was all napped up with bigger stronger alliances they "obviously" favor. The same people who added jump drives but you don't have enough skill points to use them. What a shame they exist. So absent of common sense. If you only had everything your way none of this would have happened. You could swoop down to a planet and blow everyone up with your missiles then parachute out and axe some guy with your halberd. Then use magic and sheep the next guy. Then get back in your spaceship and teleport to delve and mine your moon for buried pirate treasure!
I'm sure you could have done so much better than CCP. It's really too bad... really.
As for my ultimate personal feeling about DUST (which is inferior to the game you would have made) I think someone else said it best.
Originally by: Doomed Predator Wait until fanfest and then shout that EVE is dead. Before that it's all wild speculation.
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Graelyn
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.08.26 18:09:00 -
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Thanks for this post. A very convincing argument.
This is where you fall down. |
THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.08.26 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Wulfnor Edited by: Wulfnor on 26/08/2009 17:55:04
Originally by: THE L0CK
Originally by: Ranger 1
... and now have relaxed that restriction now that the post patch forum fury is over.
Pro tip: Next time read before you comment. It makes you look a bit less like a tart.
Did I say read the sticky !!!1one1!!!? No?
Did I mention that there are several threads in OOPE that most likely have the information that he has displayed because the mods moved them there a while back and never moved them back.
Pro tip: Next time read before you comment. It makes you look a bit less like a tart.
How you can be any kinda positive about something you proudly proclaim you did not read, then to go on and give people a pro tip to read before commenting on things makes me wonder how valid anything you write might be.
if you wish to point people to some area there is some else to read on the topic then do so. The rest of what you have written is a distraction at best.
I'm all kinds of positive. In fact I'm positive you don't have a clue as to what is even being discussed. But its people like you that makes these forums so enjoyable to read. NEXT!
Originally by: Whitehound
If I think, but I do not.
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Wulfnor
Caldari Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.26 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: THE L0CK
Originally by: Wulfnor Edited by: Wulfnor on 26/08/2009 17:55:04
Originally by: THE L0CK
Originally by: Ranger 1
... and now have relaxed that restriction now that the post patch forum fury is over.
Pro tip: Next time read before you comment. It makes you look a bit less like a tart.
Did I say read the sticky !!!1one1!!!? No?
Did I mention that there are several threads in OOPE that most likely have the information that he has displayed because the mods moved them there a while back and never moved them back.
Pro tip: Next time read before you comment. It makes you look a bit less like a tart.
How you can be any kinda positive about something you proudly proclaim you did not read, then to go on and give people a pro tip to read before commenting on things makes me wonder how valid anything you write might be.
if you wish to point people to some area there is some else to read on the topic then do so. The rest of what you have written is a distraction at best.
I'm all kinds of positive. In fact I'm positive you don't have a clue as to what is even being discussed. But its people like you that makes these forums so enjoyable to read. NEXT!
And people like you who make them not enjoyable.
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.08.26 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Skellington Edited by: Joe Skellington on 26/08/2009 17:24:57
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox
In the presentation Hilmar says CCP has been working on DUST for 3 years secretly.
Which sucks, because they have been promising planetary interaction for EVE, and even showed demos of it. All the while working in secret on a console game. So we get cheated out of more content that was promised to us. That is why most of the people I know are ****ed.
Look in a nicer, less sarcastic response. Just because a feature might be implemented in a way you didn't think of, doesn't mean it's going to negatively effect you or that it will "ruin" anything.
Tell most of the people you know to stop throwing temper tantrums and focus that energy on how to best use the feature when it comes out.
I promise you you'll be a richer, happier eve denizen if you follow that advice.
Also, you can't control how quickly a feature does come out unless you're a developer. If you have an interest in guiding that as a player, CCP has been kind enough to hold CSM elections. However broken you think they may be it's your best bet as a player to use that system as best you can. It's really all you've got and it's far more than other gaming companies typically give. *-------------------------* PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!! |
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