Originally by: Wulfnor

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And people like you who make them not enjoyable.

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Originally by: Whitehound

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If I think, but I do not.

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Originally by: THE L0CK

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Originally by: Wulfnor

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And people like you who make them not enjoyable.

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aaawwww would you like a hug?

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Originally by: THE L0CK

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Originally by: Wulfnor

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aaawwww would you like a hug?

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and the thought that you are keeping a thread whose opening post you did not read and you apparently think is worthless, at the top of the section makes me smile.

So feel free to keep posting :)

Originally by: Wulfnor

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Edited by: Wulfnor on 26/08/2009 18:54:39

Originally by: THE L0CK

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aaawwww would you like a hug?

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and the thought that you are keeping a thread whose opening post you did not read and you apparently think is worthless, at the top of the section makes me smile.

So feel free to keep posting :)

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Originally by: Whitehound

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If I think, but I do not.

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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox

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Originally by: Joe Skellington

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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox

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In the presentation Hilmar says CCP has been working on DUST for 3 years secretly.

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Which sucks, because they have been promising planetary interaction for EVE, and even showed demos of it. All the while working in secret on a console game. So we get cheated out of more content that was promised to us. That is why most of the people I know are ****ed.

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Right... Cheated out of what exactly? You'll get your planetary interaction in eve, as promised. I guess it's like always though. It's not EXACTLY like you imagined so lets come whine about it. CCP didn't do this, BECAUSE OF FALCON!, my life is ruined, emo emo. I can't cope with a world of change omg.

No credence to the fact that it's literally some of the biggest news out of CEP. Or that the concept is more or less an entirely new innovation in gaming. I guess it's easy to forget that CCP has the largest persistent gaming world ever. Or that they've engineered a place that's breaking rl gaming records and preconceptions all the time. Apparently, eve at least meets enough of your expectations that you're worried about it being ruined. That's an accomplishment in itself. But it doesn't matter does it?

None of that factors in. What does though is that you don't have a console, but you desperately want to shoot something. Your perfect world where you leave your pod to go play star wars or earth and beyond or wow on a planet in eve is ruined.

crymore.

I think you and your mad friends should fly into lowsec and sit at planet one in evati in protest. Then when you're all popped and podded ragequit and be done with it.

Hey, maybe you can go make the game you were thinking about after leaving such a terrible game behind. And such a wretched game company like CCP who *gasp* denies you the ability to play another clone version of Battlefield 2 with an eve twist. Yeah the same CCP that won't put more lvl4 faction missions in high sec that overpay, and doesn't allow warp bubbles on lowsec gates. The same CCP who cheated you out of 0.0 because it was all napped up with bigger stronger alliances they "obviously" favor. The same people who added jump drives but you don't have enough skill points to use them. What a shame they exist. So absent of common sense. If you only had everything your way none of this would have happened. You could swoop down to a planet and blow everyone up with your missiles then parachute out and axe some guy with your halberd. Then use magic and sheep the next guy. Then get back in your spaceship and teleport to delve and mine your moon for buried pirate treasure!

I'm sure you could have done so much better than CCP. It's really too bad... really.

As for my ultimate personal feeling about DUST (which is inferior to the game you would have made) I think someone else said it best.

Originally by: Doomed Predator

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Wait until fanfest and then shout that EVE is dead. Before that it's all wild speculation.

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Originally by: THE L0CK

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Originally by: Wulfnor

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Edited by: Wulfnor on 26/08/2009 18:54:39

Originally by: THE L0CK

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aaawwww would you like a hug?

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and the thought that you are keeping a thread whose opening post you did not read and you apparently think is worthless, at the top of the section makes me smile.

So feel free to keep posting :)

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Point to where I said it was worthless. All I said was that I didn't read it because what he stated has most likely been said or done in one of the mega threads that were moved to OOPE.
Further proof it seems that you have no clue what is going on. Sorry to burst your bubble like that as I'm sure you felt that post was a clever one, but keep your chin up young padawan, you may be witty yet.

Also L2properlyquote

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Originally by: Wulfnor

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Originally by: THE L0CK

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Point to where I said it was worthless. All I said was that I didn't read it because what he stated has most likely been said or done in one of the mega threads that were moved to OOPE.
Further proof it seems that you have no clue what is going on. Sorry to burst your bubble like that as I'm sure you felt that post was a clever one, but keep your chin up young padawan, you may be witty yet.

Also L2properlyquote

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Didn't read it but then went on later to point out that people should read things before posting.

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Originally by: Whitehound

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If I think, but I do not.

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Originally by: THE L0CK

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Originally by: Wulfnor

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Originally by: THE L0CK

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Point to where I said it was worthless. All I said was that I didn't read it because what he stated has most likely been said or done in one of the mega threads that were moved to OOPE.
Further proof it seems that you have no clue what is going on. Sorry to burst your bubble like that as I'm sure you felt that post was a clever one, but keep your chin up young padawan, you may be witty yet.

Also L2properlyquote

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Didn't read it but then went on later to point out that people should read things before posting.

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Its good advice and I highly recommend that you take it because you obviously have no idea why I even mentioned it, or should I say copy/pasted it (little clue for you).

Please, feel free to keep further derailing a thread, you are only contributing my cause.

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Originally by: THE L0CK

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Please, feel free to keep further derailing a thread, you are only contributing my cause.

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Originally by: Sabriele

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eve IS dying, its because of DUST because they said it controls SOV, so all of gallente starter areas are belong to caldari.

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Originally by: Professor Slocombe

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I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.

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Originally by: Myra2007

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I can't see how the op is any less based on a lot of speculations than any other dust thread so far. Which in turn would make the op a hypocrite.

I did like how he flamed the guy into the ground in post nr.26 though. Especially given how the flaming and ranting appears to be largely unrelated to what was actually put forth. It was a tad bit disproportionate but makes up in patronizing and presumptuous attitude.

The thing with overboarding sarcasm is that it makes you look butthurt eventually. I guess for the op this happened somewhere around page 1.

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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox

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Edited by: Attrezzo Pox on 26/08/2009 13:59:23
Hello eve-o forums,

*rabble rabble rabble rabble*

Quiet down now please. Cat, we all known you're here. You can stop telling people you're here in the OP. It's kindof embarrassing.

OK! So there's this new game DUST. I'm sure you've read the other 2 million threads about it and posted about how much you hate it. And then posted about how much you hate CCP. And then someone like me read your posts and felt pity for someone who'd pay a subscription to a game that they hate that they feel is going to be ruined every day because there was an eclipse, or snow fell on the north pole, or santa isn't real or whatever. Then I'd remember that you're the kind of person that writes the best hate mail! So, I thank whatever logic you use to stay in eve because the target practise is nice to have around.

Anyhow, so many of you hate it because it's a console game and you are FTL at consoles. Even that pimply 15 year old WoW addict can beat you every time you play halo. And god he's so annoying. I know... I really do.

So, let me explain why publications like Massively and Gamespot are so interested in DUST.

First of all CCP made eve. Here are some quotes to help you understand that.

"CCP projects the game will surpass 400,000 subscribers in two years, effectively doubling their current universe. So in the near future, they hope the population of their virtual world surpasses that of their native Iceland. And at some point in 2008, the number of player man-years spent inside EVE surpassed 250,000, which means more human effort has been spent in the construction of EVE's society than is estimated on the construction of the pyramids."

"Typical game companies won't discuss more than one expansion in the future, and build entire updates around new dungeons, races and classes. CCP plans to redo all the art in a nearly five year old game, fully integrate voice chat, launch a completely new avatar system, begin a democratically elected player advocacy council, launch the game on the Mac and Linux, reconfigure the game's base architecture and migrate it to a network of super computers and completely re-write two version's of the game's client to support new visuals and DirectX 10. This is just on the road map for the end of next year, it's all free and doesn't include actual gameplay improvements or any of their many side-projects, like a novel, EVE Web Wars, a trading card game and, of course, World of Darkness Online, a completely new AAA MMOG project."

Those quotes are over 2 years old so please take the last one with a grain of salt. Also keep in mind DUST was what they were working on NOT WoD. Of course it was being kept completely secret at the time. Also they've accomplished all of this except for releasing WiS.

If you find it hard to feel that eve is badass at this point, or that CCP doesn't do anything you should stop reading now and go troll another thread.

Continuing.... So now CCP is making DUST. A game that will be an "MMO FPS". Something I've only heard of in one other game... Planetside. And the people who played it loved it. There were no 15 year old halo/BF n00bs griefing maps and wandering from place to place blasting anything moving. Why? Because if they did they'd get pwned very quickly. Then they would emo rage quit. (This happens all the time on eve-o).

So now talking about DUST we can say with some amount of evidence that FPS MMOs can work well. And there is structure and organization (that's the point afterall). A point I thought was given, but some people can't seem to wrap their head around console players that aren't nublet morons.

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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox

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Edited by: Attrezzo Pox on 26/08/2009 14:05:36
Now add the Eve-DUST relationship. DUST players will be given a strong interest in accepting Alliance money to defend/attack planets. Alliances will need DUST players to take planets. Instead of buying a gun to "glass a planet" you buy an army and deploy them there. How much more control do you want? If you want to actually shoot stuff buy an Xbox or PS3 and join DUST.
IMHO paying actual players to do the shooting is FAR better than paying some NPC game of chance, which may have been another option. Get over it, and be glad you can purchase humans to take planets. Otherwise eve really would start to suck.

The ridiculousness of the idea of "console gamers having complete control over sov" is so silly I can't respond with a good rebuttal. Other than to say, that's not what the man said. He said "alliances pay them to ..." he didn't say "alliances will have no say in ...". This is inferring that ultimately eve alliances will have very good control over where and when forces are deployed. Their borders won't be reshaped by some lone nublet in DUST who decides to wander over to Goon space and take a single planet.

This relationship shows that CCP wants eve and Dust to be around for a long, long time. The "bold" move everyone talks about is them putting all of their eggs in one "IP" basket. If one fails/declines the other will take a turn for the worse as well. That's where the real gamble is, not in gameplay but in real life popularity. However, I think it's a refreshing take instead of the typical EA mantra of making as much money as you can at release, then dropping the game forever. CCP doesn't want to do that with eve. And that's a nod to all of your hard work. Unless a rl catastrophe requires it you won't wake up one morning to find that eve is down and won't ever come back up again. Just cause some accountant at CCP thought they'd make more money developing a separate game.

Finally, Console only. What is so hard about that? Those of you that own consoles know that your console buddies complain about the controls compared to a keyboard and mouse, in FPS at least. This is CCP being badass again. They care about the experience that console gamers get. They want them to participate in eve too but they don't want them to complain about getting owned just because some other guy has a kb and mouse. You can't fly a space ship in a console but you can shoot things in a console FPS. So it's a nod to console gamers and the things they value. Not PC players. This is a good thing.

Personally, I think it's also good that it's console only so that it prevents a mass exodus from eve. CCP has eve on the computer, they've got much of the computer crowd. A game like Eve is BEST played on a computer. I don't see what's so bad about an FPS to give the console people a chance. It'll make eve an extremely diverse MMO. CCP wants a game that complements eve, not a competitor.

Consoles WERE un-updateable and extremely constricting in 1994. That was before the "internet", and if you played computer games at the time you'd know computers were largely the same way. If you don't own an XBox stop chatting like an expert on how un-updateable they are. For game developers, consoles are a dream. You know the specs on every machine in 100% of your target. Everyone has the same os and runs the same code and the same programs. Those specs don't change so there's no guessing. This is a tremendous relief in some ways. For instance, in computer FPS cheating is a big problem with autoaims and metagame hacks. That's the reason we have punkbuster but it doesn't work 100% of the time. Many times it just eats up resources. With a console, though it's still possible it's not nearly as widespread and certainly harder to pull off. One less thing to fiddle with really.

Home run again!

Originally by: Attrezzo Pox

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Is it too much to ask for a little cautious optimism?

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Originally by: THE L0CK

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Hi Lock here,

I didn't bother reading one bit of this dust thread as I'm quite positive somebody has asked what you have asked and stated what you have stated in the multitude of dust threads now.
There are some massive Dust threads in OOPE where you may find what you are looking for as dust threads got moved there a while back so the denizens of GD didn't have to put up with them.

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... and now have relaxed that restriction now that the post patch forum fury is over.

Pro tip: Next time read before you comment. It makes you look a bit less like a tart.

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Originally by: Wulfnor

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Contrary to you I do read things before posting. It might be possible to understand why you made your first post, no matter how flawed it might be, but to follow on with advice to read before posting (something you admit you deliberately did not do) appears to be something you could better explain in a thread of your own if you are really concerned about derailing rather than bumping your post count.

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Originally by: Whitehound

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If I think, but I do not.

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Originally by: THE L0CK

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Originally by: Wulfnor

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Originally by: THE L0CK

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Point to where I said it was worthless. All I said was that I didn't read it because what he stated has most likely been said or done in one of the mega threads that were moved to OOPE.
Further proof it seems that you have no clue what is going on. Sorry to burst your bubble like that as I'm sure you felt that post was a clever one, but keep your chin up young padawan, you may be witty yet.

Also L2properlyquote

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Didn't read it but then went on later to point out that people should read things before posting.

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Its good advice and I highly recommend that you take it because you obviously have no idea why I even mentioned it, or should I say copy/pasted it (little clue for you).

Please, feel free to keep further derailing a thread, you are only contributing my cause.

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Originally by: ShangoLianja Balogun

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Neither do you, relative to the thread specifics (which you did not know at the time of your post as you had not read them). So, you came all the way into this thread to advise folks not to post on the general topic, the specific focus of which you knew not? And, you, then, conclude that those noting the absurdity of your "commentary" have no clue what's going on...?

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Originally by: Whitehound

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If I think, but I do not.

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Originally by: THE L0CK

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Like a true rebel without a clue you continue to not disappoint. I can make a new thread and continue to explain to you about reading before posting but what is the point, you haven't been able to understand it the first 3 times. You haven't a clue why I replied to the person that replied to me but you sure are hooked on muddying the waters yourself with this ongoing debate.

And why do people keep thinking I'm a Cat alt? That's the 5th time I've been accused of that.

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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox

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Whoa... you are a cat alt.

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Originally by: Whitehound

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If I think, but I do not.

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Originally by: THE L0CK

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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox

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Whoa... you are a cat alt.

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Got proof? Last I checked I was a FBIhomeland security alt.

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Originally by: THE L0CK

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Originally by: ShangoLianja Balogun

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Neither do you, relative to the thread specifics (which you did not know at the time of your post as you had not read them). So, you came all the way into this thread to advise folks not to post on the general topic, the specific focus of which you knew not? And, you, then, conclude that those noting the absurdity of your "commentary" have no clue what's going on...?

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Show me where I advised people not to post on the general topic.

Man I love you guys and your wild and whacky accusations! Give me MOAR!!!

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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox

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Edited by: Attrezzo Pox on 26/08/2009 13:59:23

OK! So there's this new game DUST. I'm sure you've read the other 2 million threads about it and posted about how much you hate it. And then posted about how much you hate CCP. And then someone like me read your posts and felt pity for someone who'd pay a subscription to a game that they hate that they feel is going to be ruined every day because there was an eclipse, or snow fell on the north pole, or santa isn't real or whatever. Then I'd remember that you're the kind of person that writes the best hate mail! So, I thank whatever logic you use to stay in eve because the target practise is nice to have around.

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Originally by: ShangoLianja Balogun

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So, your point for posting here was what? You pointed out threads on the subject being "moved" elsewhere why? You posted w/o reading the specific subject matter because of what?

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Originally by: ShangoLianja Balogun

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Are you one of the Eve players complaining about a PC version (not being announced) because you think you can personally "John Rambo" your sector of space? The ones who think they'll jumpclone fully implanted into DUST and body bag us FPS DUST "boys?" Stop crying. Fire up your console and prepare.

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Originally by: ShangoLianja Balogun

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You think this post's a waste of time? Then what would you classify your comments/presence herein?

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Originally by: Whitehound

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If I think, but I do not.

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Originally by: THE L0CK

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Originally by: Wulfnor

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Contrary to you I do read things before posting. It might be possible to understand why you made your first post, no matter how flawed it might be, but to follow on with advice to read before posting (something you admit you deliberately did not do) appears to be something you could better explain in a thread of your own if you are really concerned about derailing rather than bumping your post count.

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Like a true rebel without a clue you continue to not disappoint. I can make a new thread and continue to explain to you about reading before posting but what is the point, you haven't been able to understand it the first 3 times. You haven't a clue why I replied to the person that replied to me but you sure are hooked on muddying the waters yourself with this ongoing debate.

And why do people keep thinking I'm a Cat alt? That's the 5th time I've been accused of that.

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Originally by: Wulfnor

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And like a true clueless poster you continue to muddying the waters.

what you have said is clear: you did not read the op and posted about it but you advise everyone else to read before posting.

When you decide what you really mean, post it. I will read it before I reply :)

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Originally by: Whitehound

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If I think, but I do not.

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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox

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Edited by: Attrezzo Pox on 26/08/2009 13:59:23

So now talking about DUST we can say with some amount of evidence that FPS MMOs can work well. And there is structure and organization (that's the point afterall). A point I thought was given, but some people can't seem to wrap their head around console players that aren't nublet morons.

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Originally by: THE L0CK

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Edited by: THE L0CK on 26/08/2009 22:28:21

Originally by: Wulfnor

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And like a true clueless poster you continue to muddying the waters.

what you have said is clear: you did not read the op and posted about it but you advise everyone else to read before posting.

When you decide what you really mean, post it. I will read it before I reply :)

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Show me where I advised everyone else. Last I recall I advised one person on a subject other than the OP. I believe this is where you are getting confused.

Also repeating me does not earn you points I'm afraid, you should try coming up with your own material.

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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox

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Edited by: Attrezzo Pox on 26/08/2009 14:05:36

Personally, I think it's also good that it's console only so that it prevents a mass exodus from eve. CCP has eve on the computer, they've got much of the computer crowd. A game like Eve is BEST played on a computer. I don't see what's so bad about an FPS to give the console people a chance. It'll make eve an extremely diverse MMO. CCP wants a game that complements eve, not a competitor.

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