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Caelestics
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Posted - 2009.08.28 04:44:00 -
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I like idea behind eve and i love sci-fi :) Thats pretty mutch only reason im paying for this game atm. Lets face, there's nothing to do in game.. Jeah i get it, this sandbox game, but t doesnt change fact that game itself is empty.
Pve: missions, mining hmm, not interesting enough
Pvp: Well to be any desent in pvp you need lots and lots sp, i have 3.1m atm and would need few million more before i could (possibly) enjoy pvp. Also this game is 100% gear dependant, unless you have sp for good, wel fitted ship you wont enjoy game
Low sec/empire pvp: very boring, I'm in corp that does alot empire pvp and well its not worth time
0.0: I havent actually tryed it, pvping in huge fleet MIGHT be fun but i seriosly doubt it
Only option atm for somebody who havent played game for years is to join gank fleets, which are boring. never liked team pvp in most mmorpgs, i like soloing and thats not possible for me in eve atm, maybe after few month when i can fly well fitted dominix.
So pretty mutch what im paying for atm: I log every few day to check my skill training, sometimes i might join corp gank fleet, only to find out its boring
Maybe im doing something wrong and you are welcome to tell your opinion
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.08.28 04:48:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 28/08/2009 04:54:05
 Originally by: Caelestics
Pvp: Well to be any desent in pvp you need lots and lots sp
UTTER FAILURE.
No, you don't need "lots and lots of SP" to be decent at PvP. You only need the right kind of "wingmen".
And your post goes downhill from that point onward.
Empire PVP ? Lol ? Never tried anything else and you wonder why it's boring ? Don't like TEAMWORK at all ? What are you doing in _EVE_ PvP then at all ? Seriously ? Try market PvP, maybe (but I doubt that's what you want).
You could always play on the TEST server, you can afford to lose just about anything there, and you can solo as much as you want (heck, if at a battlefield beacon anybody interrupts your duels, he risks a ban from the test server). Well, since you risk nothing, there's not much satisfaction either, but meh, them's the breaks.
But by all means, don't pay for EVE, don't play EVE at all. It's not a game for everybody, you know... bye bye.
I don't need your stuff (if you even have any).
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.08.28 04:51:00 -
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People pay for EVE? 
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Metalcali
Dreams In Digital
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Posted - 2009.08.28 04:53:00 -
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While pvping is helped by how many skillpoints you have in specific skills, that's not the major requirement, experience is. Take a look at some videos over in the my eve forum section and there is one that shows two guys in 2 day old characters going out and pvping in 0.0 space. Next, this game takes dedication. Try to read up more on your fittings for ships you can fly now, take some time to get a well balanced plan laid out and try some new aspects of the game itself in between those times you don't have much planned. This game isn't meant to give the constant instant gratification that most others do, EvE gives a more meaningful type knowing that you can fly a new t2 ship with nice weapons and getting a great killmail on your first few times in it just takes the cake.
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Caelestics
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Posted - 2009.08.28 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Caelestics
Pvp: Well to be any desent in pvp you need lots and lots sp
UTTER FAILURE.
No, you don't need "lots and lots of SP" to be decent at PvP. You only need the right kind of "wingmen".
And your post goes downhill from that point onward.
But by all means, don't pay for EVE, don't play EVE at all. It's not a game for everybody, you know... bye bye.
P.S. I don't need your stuff (if you even have any).
hows it failure? with 3.1m sp i cant fly even well fitted t1 cruiser. Aha so you think i need right kind of wingmen, lol? Think you missed point entirely, sure i can join somebody who played eve few years and that can fly desent ships well but what is fun in it? Since i will be suck no matter what? And i will continue suck few more month, at least. Eve should really have relook this sp system, its retarted. Game is not playable for 6 month-1 year after you join game
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Ignitious Hellfury
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.08.28 04:55:00 -
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Even people with lots of sp and isk for their ships can't solo pvp that well anymore. Eve is hardly empty, in fact it's getting crowded which means you have to play with friends.
Get together with 5 or so people, fit out some battlecruisers - T1 or T2 fit, doesn't matter, and you can probably find a skirmish and at least get a few kills. If you lose, big deal - your loss in minimized by insurance. After you do this a couple times, you get the hang of it and stop losing as often, kill more things, and every once in a while you find a fleet of idiots and come out on top even if the odds are against you.
Unfortunately though, by your tone I just don't think eve is for you... so...
can i have ur stuff?
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.08.28 04:56:00 -
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empire pvp is boring either your chasing or running or station camping for hours upon hours upon hours on end talking smack in local, and maybe you can get someone to undock that you can 5 on 1. or you can can bait and try to get some pvp going all day long at the mission hub of your choice.
you do not need tons of sp or super expensive setups to launch out in low sec and goof around in fact you can get any t1 frig or dessy cheap ship fit it decently and go around looking for action. your going to get blown up but hey they cheap ships and best to get popped while flying ships you can actually afford to lose, and if your cool about it maybe you will get some pointers from the people that blew you up, maybe even make some friends you can hang with in low sec and learn the ropes.
exploration learning to use scanner probes and such find complexes can be a decent isk source if your willing to go out of the way in empire or risk it in low sec while your roaming around even better.
0.0 will almost certainly be fleet gank battles, and proably with your low sp not even worth trying to break into an established 0.0 corp at all.
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Caelestics
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Posted - 2009.08.28 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Metalcali
While pvping is helped by how many skillpoints you have in specific skills, that's not the major requirement, experience is.
Hmm, are we even playing same game? No, sp is everything in this point till some point.
Originally by: Metalcali
Try to read up more on your fittings for ships you can fly now, take some time to get a well balanced plan laid out and try some new aspects of the game itself in between those times you don't have much planned.
Thats what i been doing last few week, havent done anything else really. Only ships i can fly well with 3.1m are frigates.. lol
I can fly well fitted thorax (t1 cruiser with t2 fits) in about 2-3 month, even than i will suck since t1 cruisers are joke
Originally by: Metalcali
This game isn't meant to give the constant instant gratification that most others do, EvE gives a more meaningful type knowing that you can fly a new t2 ship with nice weapons and getting a great killmail on your first few times in it just takes the cake.
Jes i do realise that, but waiting almost year till you can actually play game isnt fun..
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Caelestics
hows it failure? with 3.1m sp i cant fly even well fitted t1 cruiser.
Let me guess : you have nearly all of that SP in learning ? 
P.S. Read the edits.
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sure i can join somebody who played eve few years and that can fly desent ships well but what is fun in it? Since i will be suck no matter what? And i will continue suck few more month, at least.
To PARTICIPATE in EVE PVP and not be useless, all you need is a few k SP.
To be marginally useful in most group EVE PVP you need a couple hundred Ks of SP.
To be decent in EVE PVP in most situations you need under 1 mil SP where it matters.
You can suck at 100k SP, and you can suck at 30 mil SP.
On the other hand, you can be awesome at 2 mil SP, and not that much better at 100 mil SP (just more "diverse").
It's not about the SP total, it's about the right few levels and what you DO with them.
Pumping up a few L3s and L4s to L5 does not "make or break" your ability to do anything, it just slightly improves it.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Caelestics
...but waiting almost year till you can actually play game isnt fun..
Originally by: Caelestics
...isnt fun..
Here's your problem. EVE is not meant to be fun. It is meant as a second job where you keep forgetting to bring up that fact that no one has sent you a pay check yet.
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Metalcali
Dreams In Digital
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:03:00 -
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If sp are everything, then that video I mentioned must have been a figment of my imagination. Surely those two, and many others who have tried it, didn't get into pvp and come out successful. Been playing just under a year myself, I can still log on and find something fun to do, question is do you want to find said fun or do you want to grind until you get the best of the best.
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Caelestics
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nito Musashi
empire pvp is boring either your chasing or running or station camping for hours upon hours upon hours on end talking smack in local, and maybe you can get someone to undock that you can 5 on 1. or you can can bait and try to get some pvp going all day long at the mission hub of your choice.
Jeah i have to agree, i done empire pvp with my corp few times and its boring as hell. Before quitting i want try 0.0 if its more fun
Originally by: Nito Musashi
you do not need tons of sp or super expensive setups to launch out in low sec and goof around in fact you can get any t1 frig or dessy cheap ship fit it decently and go around looking for action. your going to get blown up but hey they cheap ships and best to get popped while flying ships you can actually afford to lose, and if your cool about it maybe you will get some pointers from the people that blew you up, maybe even make some friends you can hang with in low sec and learn the ropes.
Jeah we have different opinion of whats fun, i dont consider being blown up 90% to b fun
exploration learning to use scanner probes and such find complexes can be a decent isk source if your willing to go out of the way in empire or risk it in low sec while your roaming around even better.
Originally by: Nito Musashi
0.0 will almost certainly be fleet gank battles, and proably with your low sp not even worth trying to break into an established 0.0 corp at all.
Actually im in pretty good corp that have both empire and 0.0 sections. And there seems daily 0.0 fleet action, too bad im not allowed to join siŠnce i need to prove that im worth it in empire, which is boring as hell
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Caelestics
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Caelestics
hows it failure? with 3.1m sp i cant fly even well fitted t1 cruiser.
Let me guess : you have nearly all of that SP in learning ?
P.S. Read the edits.
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sure i can join somebody who played eve few years and that can fly desent ships well but what is fun in it? Since i will be suck no matter what? And i will continue suck few more month, at least.
To PARTICIPATE in EVE PVP and not be useless, all you need is a few k SP.
To be marginally useful in most group EVE PVP you need a couple hundred Ks of SP.
To be decent in EVE PVP in most situations you need under 1 mil SP where it matters.
You can suck at 100k SP, and you can suck at 30 mil SP.
On the other hand, you can be awesome at 2 mil SP, and not that much better at 100 mil SP (just more "diverse").
It's not about the SP total, it's about the right few levels and what you DO with them.
Pumping up a few L3s and L4s to L5 does not "make or break" your ability to do anything, it just slightly improves it.
no actually i have very little sp in learning.. As it is atm i can use most t2 utilitys *JEE* but problem is still that i cant use good weps, will take loong time and i do have 600k sp in gunnery.
Also cant use t2 drones. My dps atm is joke, due to low sp.
Jes i do realise to PARTICIPATE in eve pvp i just need few k sp, hell i can PARTICIPATE in capsule. But i want to be actually useful, and being able to kill somebody is considered plus. plus you keep repeating mass pvp, why? Soloing is always more fun, in any other game but eve
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Shogun Archer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:09:00 -
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Why are you guys even trying?
This guys mind was made up well before he made this topic. Eve isn't for everyone. Try something else.
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Caelestics
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Shogun Archer
Why are you guys even trying?
This guys mind was made up well before he made this topic. Eve isn't for everyone. Try something else.
I just hope ccp read my post. They want more subscribers, well making eve enjoyable would help with that goal
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Metalcali
Dreams In Digital
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Caelestics
Originally by: Shogun Archer
Why are you guys even trying?
This guys mind was made up well before he made this topic. Eve isn't for everyone. Try something else.
I just hope ccp read my post. They want more subscribers, well making eve enjoyable would help with that goal
It is enjoyable, just not for you 
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: Caelestics
...well making eve enjoyable would help with that goal
But it would destroy everything that we love about EVE. 
*goes back to making spreadsheets*
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:16:00 -
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i never said getting blown up is fun tho the excitment of roaming solo in dangerous space certainly can get the heart beating a tad faster than sitting around in station all day. who knows maybe you will escape or maybe you will take someone out you win some you lose some. but the point being if your cool and gracious win or especially lose you might gain some respect and some props for being the bold noob that is not afraid to risk something.
and what else are you going to do exactly? sit around and wait for for some magic sp number that is going to make you l33t? play spin the ship in your hanger until you can fly a domi and then try to figure out how things work out there? you can fly small fast ships that can run that are cheap and that if you lose them it is no big hit to your wallet nothing a mission or few will not cover. as opposed to waiting for bigger ships that are going to cost more to buy/build are going to cost more to fit and are going to require expensive implants and rigs.
if you wait for someday it may never come and it is going to hurt your wallet more.
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Shogun Archer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: Caelestics
Originally by: Shogun Archer
Why are you guys even trying?
This guys mind was made up well before he made this topic. Eve isn't for everyone. Try something else.
I just hope ccp read my post. They want more subscribers, well making eve enjoyable would help with that goal
Obviously a lot of people DO enjoy the game. If they didn't the game would not exist. If you want to be Uber Power Ranger 1 week into the game, then Eve is not for you. It's really that simple. I have a friend that just joined a couple weeks ago and he is having a great time learning about all kinds of aspects of the game.
Try something that gives you the instant gratification that you crave.
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Caelestics
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
To PARTICIPATE in EVE PVP and not be useless, all you need is a few k SP.
To be marginally useful in most group EVE PVP you need a couple hundred Ks of SP.
To be decent in EVE PVP in most situations you need under 1 mil SP where it matters.
You can suck at 100k SP, and you can suck at 30 mil SP.
On the other hand, you can be awesome at 2 mil SP, and not that much better at 100 mil SP (just more "diverse").
hmm can you please provide more info as my experience is very different from yours. What is your view of being decent in eve pvp and how in hell 1m sp is enough. Even 3.1m is not enough to fly t1 cruiser, so jeah frigates are not good..
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Shogun Archer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:20:00 -
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Frigate + Warp Disruptor + Afterburner = useful in pvp.
It's that simple.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Shogun Archer
Frigate + Warp Disruptor + Afterburner = useful in pvp.
It's that simple.
Weapons are also nice.
Not necessarily a requirement, but nice.
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Caelestics
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Shogun Archer
Frigate + Warp Disruptor + Afterburner = useful in pvp.
It's that simple.
jeah .. what? and who will i kill in that setup? We have very different view on this, you look from zerg point of view and i from solo point of view
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Shogun Archer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Shogun Archer
Frigate + Warp Disruptor + Afterburner = useful in pvp.
It's that simple.
Weapons are also nice.
Not necessarily a requirement, but nice.
Not to disagree with you Khemul, as you are probably my favorite forum poster here, but a weapon, such as a 125mm gun or 2 is going to be about as effective as a slingshot... but sure... put a couple weapons on there to make some nice "tink tink" noises
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Shogun Archer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Caelestics
Originally by: Shogun Archer
Frigate + Warp Disruptor + Afterburner = useful in pvp.
It's that simple.
jeah .. what? and who will i kill in that setup? We have very different view on this, you look from zerg point of view and i from solo point of view
and that is why you fail. this is an MMOrpg... Emphasis on the MMO part.
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Caelestics
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: Shogun Archer
Originally by: Caelestics
Originally by: Shogun Archer
Frigate + Warp Disruptor + Afterburner = useful in pvp.
It's that simple.
jeah .. what? and who will i kill in that setup? We have very different view on this, you look from zerg point of view and i from solo point of view
and that is why you fail. this is an MMOrpg... Emphasis on the MMO part.
I have no touble doing solo pvp in anarchy online, i have no trouble doing solo pvp in age of conan. Hell i even did solo pvp in wow when tryed it out years ago
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 28/08/2009 05:34:17
Originally by: Shogun Archer
... but sure... put a couple weapons on there to make some nice "tink tink" noises
Ah! Hadn't considered that. OP would probably have sound turned on. 
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Shogun Archer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:35:00 -
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Then there's the answer :)
You'll even get the nice giant question marks over ppl's heads. Eve is not nor does it try to be any of those games. Some people love it, some people hate it. Eve doesn't cater to you like those games. The difference is a sandbox style compared to an amusement park where all the rides are set in front of you.
Good luck with any of those games... Personally, I prefer pvp that has consequences that amount to more than a 2 minute walk to a tombstone or a corpse while suffering a 1% attack rating decrease.
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Metalcali
Dreams In Digital
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:36:00 -
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Hopefully seeing is believing. As I mentioned, two guys, experience playing the game before, pvping in frigs similar to what shogun described, killing things in low/null sec. If you still complain after this, you truly don't want to stick around unless things are handed to you on a silver platter.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1025677
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:38:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 28/08/2009 05:44:21
Originally by: Caelestics
no actually i have very little sp in learning.. As it is atm i can use most t2 utilitys *JEE* but problem is still that i cant use good weps, will take loong time and i do have 600k sp in gunnery.
Also cant use t2 drones. My dps atm is joke, due to low sp.
Jes i do realise to PARTICIPATE in eve pvp i just need few k sp, hell i can PARTICIPATE in capsule. But i want to be actually useful, and being able to kill somebody is considered plus. plus you keep repeating mass pvp, why? Soloing is always more fun, in any other game but eve
Oh, and you just said T1 cruisers suck, eh ? Well, how about you try and learn how to fit them properly then ? And/or learn what skills are a priority to train ?
Sorry dude, most of the "serious" solo PvPers use exactly those ships to PvP in. Why ? Because they're dirt cheap, they're maneouvrable, they can dish out some decent damage with a proper fit, and can sport adequate effective hitpoints so they don't get blown out of the water instantly by a larger opponent, while being able to speed-tank a big percentage of the incoming damage.
It doesn't take a lot to train, oh, say, L5 gunnery, L4 rapid fire, L4 medium hybrid turret, L3 surgical strike and L4 weapon upgrades - by my count, that's barely over 600k SP... and that's pretty close to the peak damage potential of medium blasters. Sure, not quite T2 gun damage, but it's close enough.
Let's say you pick a Thorax... how hard can it be to get L4 in Gallente Cruiser ? It's just another ~300k SP even from scratch ! Now, fit those blasters on it and go shoot something up... oh, you might want some damage mods to go with that, three T2 ones will increase your blaster damage output by almost two thirds. But hey, even two plain vanilla T1 ones will help a lot, if you like to go cheap.
Sure, T2 drones would also help, but T1 drones are just fine too. All you really need is Drones 5, Drone Interfacing 3, Combat Drone Operation 3 and stuff like that. It's just another ~300k SP (a bit above), no big deal ! But... that's another 90 DPS output from a Thorax ! Compared to the 150 DPS you could push out with T2 drones and absolutely maxed-out skills (at over 3.5 mil SP in just the relevant damage-related skills, plus many other SP in useful support skills), I would say that's a pretty damn good 300k SP investment.
Sure, you also want some fitting skills, but then again, Electronics/Engineering/Mechanic/HullUpgrades L4 will do more than just fine, slap on energy system operation L4 (for a med T2 cap booster if you're feeling adventurous) alongside shield and energy management 3 and a couple of others like energy grid upgrades 2 or so, and that's another 500k SP needed. Let's say you also throw in some electronics skills like signature analysis and targeting to L3 or even L4 and make that a nice 600k here too.
You also might want either a half-decent afterburner, but probably a MWD would be a better choice, so whoops, another 200k SP or so.
Hmm... let's recap... I only see about 2 mil SP needed here, and you have yourself a pretty damn good T1 PvP cruiser by my count.
The rest of the T1 cruisers don't really need much more SP to "work", and frigates even less.
PEBKAC...
P.S. You know what else you can fly that would make all other guys WANT to have you in their gang even if you have very little SP ? A Blackbird. That only assumes you know which racial jammer goes on what race of targets, and you're golden. Awesome PvP support boat ? Check. Great anti-smallship soloboat ? Check. And it doesn't even need 2 mil SP to work nicely.
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