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Caelestics	Posted - 2009.08.28 09:46:00 - [121] Originally by: Veloni I had 2mil SP and I could fit a incursus. My fit: 3x Electron Blaster (named is better, but t1 will do if your short on isk) 1Mn MicroWarp Drive J5b Phased Prototype Warp scrambler 'Langour' Drive disruptor Damage control (t1 or t2 depending on skills) Small armor repper (t1/t2/named) or 200mm reinforced Rolled Tungsten 1x Hobgoblin Ammo: Caldari Navy antimatter charge. nono, i actually have enough sp for best possible t1 frig setup. I just find that powergrid isnt big enough. I try again this evening tho
rubico1337 Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2009.08.28 09:49:00 - [122] Originally by: Caelestics nono, i actually have enough sp for best possible t1 frig setup. I just find that powergrid isnt big enough. I try again this evening tho thats what the engineering skill is for Originally by: Lana Torrin I'm getting pretty ****ed off with the supposedly hard core PvPers complaining about every little thing that gets changed. seriously, more tears than carebears.
gfldex	Posted - 2009.08.28 09:51:00 - [123] Edited by: gfldex on 28/08/2009 09:51:16 Originally by: Caelestics Pvp: Well to be any desent in pvp you need lots and lots sp, i have 3.1m atm and would need few million more before i could (possibly) enjoy pvp. Also this game is 100% gear dependant, unless you have sp for good, wel fitted ship you wont enjoy game That you cant be successful with lowish SP does not mean it's impossible. You might very well do better with an easy game.
Caelestics	Posted - 2009.08.28 09:52:00 - [124] Originally by: rubico1337 Originally by: Caelestics nono, i actually have enough sp for best possible t1 frig setup. I just find that powergrid isnt big enough. I try again this evening tho thats what the engineering skill is for mm?
Lee Dalton Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.08.28 09:52:00 - [125] gb2wow *** You're only as good as your last fight.
Caelestics	Posted - 2009.08.28 09:56:00 - [126] Originally by: Lee Dalton gb2wow why? wow isnt even good game, when i want pvp i play either anarchy online or age of conan
Auroral Borealis	Posted - 2009.08.28 10:31:00 - [127] Just FYI This is how every single post on the forums will be... When Dust gets here.
Cpt Branko Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2009.08.28 10:41:00 - [128] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 28/08/2009 10:41:57 Originally by: Caelestics Pvp: Well to be any desent in pvp you need lots and lots sp, i have 3.1m atm and would need few million more before i could (possibly) enjoy pvp. Also this game is 100% gear dependant, unless you have sp for good, wel fitted ship you wont enjoy game (a) Train small T2 ACs. (b) Train the associated skills for flying a Rifter/Thrasher. Look, 3.1M SP and you can kill stuff. Forget soloing in BS. That will in 95% of the cases just get you killed by a blob, particularly until you know what you're doing. A new player can effectively PVP at low SP. Fly ships which don't take a lot of SP to master, and learn the tricks of actual PVP in them. There is nothing wrong with flying frigates/destroyers/etc - at 25M SP I still spend probably 30% of my time flying a Thrasher - for solo PVP. As a new player, you at least have one advantage you can use; people will discount you as a noob very often and underestimate you. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.08.28 10:47:00 - [129] Originally by: Auroral Borealis Just FYI This is how every single post on the forums will be... When Dust gets here. They'll most likely have their own forums. If not that then they'll have some sub boards EVE players will never have to suffer. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Nito Musashi	Posted - 2009.08.28 10:56:00 - [130] eh dust will be a fps what can be that hard about it? lol. i played the section 8 beta god what an awful arcadey tactical shooter that is shudder. op got all the good advice that can be given, at this point it is like trying to get water out of a stone. enjoy anarchy online or conan or yugioh or whatever floats your boat, i think you should have started eve when the myr was imba or maybe falcon or maybe a domi with 10 drones or nanos, well maybe not nanos took a ton of sp to get into one of those decently, but you seem to have missed the major fotm solo pwn ships. can we have your stuff?
Gebher'el Amarr The King's Sword	Posted - 2009.08.28 11:03:00 - [131] The OP is obvious either a FPS fan or a former WoW player but at the very least a MORON. I can take an under 2 mill skill point character, put them in a Crucifer and make them an effective, very effective part of a frigate squadron that will make even some battle cruisers afraid. As for missions and mining not being interesting enough, compared to most other MMOs the mission system here is GREAT. Okay maybe not great but the same things that can make another MMO quest fun works in EVE. Two or three people running a sqaudron doing Level 2 missions in Tech 1 frigates can actually be pretty exciting. Put ONE pilot in an Assault and take on level 3 and you will be on the edge of your seat for the whole mission. As for mining being boring, you are right the activity itself is dull as is farming in every game ever made. However with a good group of people and a vent server farming can be in some ways a more enjoyable evening than a night of PVP or group mission running. As for PvP being "100% Gear Dependent" I am guess the OP never took into account the need for tactics. I will admit that gear is important but the right gear is the most important thing and even then it does not have to be named or tech II to be effective. The OP mentioned being in a corp that does "alot empire pvp" this is a pilot way of saying griefer or pirate. If you like solo PVP then you might have a bit of trouble and the reason being the blob does wreck havoc on small fleet actions. FW seems to be a little better than 0.0 when it comes to the blob but even it is hit hard with Blob activity. If you are still newer at the game and want a little PVP while you get your feet wet join FW. If you want purely solo play you are pretty limited to your choices but there are ways to still have fun. Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, God will be a light unto me.
Seishi Maru The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.08.28 11:08:00 - [132] Originally by: Caelestics Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Caelestics Pvp: Well to be any desent in pvp you need lots and lots sp UTTER FAILURE. No, you don't need "lots and lots of SP" to be decent at PvP. You only need the right kind of "wingmen". And your post goes downhill from that point onward. But by all means, don't pay for EVE, don't play EVE at all. It's not a game for everybody, you know... bye bye. P.S. I don't need your stuff (if you even have any). hows it failure? with 3.1m sp i cant fly even well fitted t1 cruiser. Aha so you think i need right kind of wingmen, lol? Think you missed point entirely, sure i can join somebody who played eve few years and that can fly desent ships well but what is fun in it? Since i will be suck no matter what? And i will continue suck few more month, at least. Eve should really have relook this sp system, its retarted. Game is not playable for 6 month-1 year after you join game let me see. My irst kilwa when i had 98 K sp (with my main not this char)... and by the time I reached 3.1 M sp I had been on more than 40 kills already, includgn a few solo. You seems to forget that there are tooons of targets all aroun that have enve less SP than you.. or even less SP on combat skills.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.08.28 11:09:00 - [133] Edited by: baltec1 on 28/08/2009 11:10:29 [Thrasher, Arty filth] Gyrostabilizer I Gyrostabilizer I 1MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 250mm Light Artillery Cannon I, EMP S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon I, EMP S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon I, EMP S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon I, EMP S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon I, EMP S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon I, EMP S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon I, EMP S [empty high slot] Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I You are now usefull in a gang and can afford to lose it.
Hermosa Diosas	Posted - 2009.08.28 11:17:00 - [134] Originally by: Gebher'el The OP is obvious either a FPS fan or a former WoW player but at the very least a MORON. I can take an under 2 mill skill point character, put them in a Crucifer and make them an effective, very effective part of a frigate squadron that will make even some battle cruisers afraid. As for missions and mining not being interesting enough, compared to most other MMOs the mission system here is GREAT. Okay maybe not great but the same things that can make another MMO quest fun works in EVE. Two or three people running a sqaudron doing Level 2 missions in Tech 1 frigates can actually be pretty exciting. Put ONE pilot in an Assault and take on level 3 and you will be on the edge of your seat for the whole mission. As for mining being boring, you are right the activity itself is dull as is farming in every game ever made. However with a good group of people and a vent server farming can be in some ways a more enjoyable evening than a night of PVP or group mission running. As for PvP being "100% Gear Dependent" I am guess the OP never took into account the need for tactics. I will admit that gear is important but the right gear is the most important thing and even then it does not have to be named or tech II to be effective. The OP mentioned being in a corp that does "alot empire pvp" this is a pilot way of saying griefer or pirate. If you like solo PVP then you might have a bit of trouble and the reason being the blob does wreck havoc on small fleet actions. FW seems to be a little better than 0.0 when it comes to the blob but even it is hit hard with Blob activity. If you are still newer at the game and want a little PVP while you get your feet wet join FW. If you want purely solo play you are pretty limited to your choices but there are ways to still have fun. Ok firstly The OP is obvious either a FPS fan or a former WoW player but at the very least a MORON. Is out of order and disgusting, this is why personally I hate the eve community cos of arrogant B@stards like yourself..its full of tw@ts just like you... SOLO PVP is dead full stop..yes 2mill sp char is effective with a GOOD gang, you need a gang to be effective in this game. Whether you use T1, T2, Faction makes no difference, if you have a gang of 5 people then your pretty much going to kill soloists or small gangs.. I mean for god sake a ewar ship can disable EVERY part of a ship just by nossing it WTF!! Missions are terrible - utterly terrible, no interaction, no nothing.. Wormholes, Plexing OMG the same rubbish....CCP just to speed things up but in these awful hacks like timer delays, thats just poor coding, I dunno I agree with op..Im seriously after 5 years thinking of hanging up the eve boots..the game hasnt got any better, and im bored of CCP excuses..
Caelestics	Posted - 2009.08.28 11:24:00 - [135] Edited by: Caelestics on 28/08/2009 11:26:13 Edited by: Caelestics on 28/08/2009 11:25:43 Edited by: Caelestics on 28/08/2009 11:25:21 Originally by: Gebher'el The OP is obvious either a FPS fan or a former WoW player but at the very least a MORON. I can take an under 2 mill skill point character, put them in a Crucifer and make them an effective, very effective part of a frigate squadron that will make even some battle cruisers afraid. lol you have trouble reading do you? Maybe you should go back to wow. Why would i want join frigate squadron, or fleet? I tryed them and they are very, very boring. At least in empire, where you need search hour till find target So all eve can offer is extremly boring gank fleet pvp? seriosly? This is clearly something that should be fixed by ccp
Chantilly Layce	Posted - 2009.08.28 11:26:00 - [136] Pay? For EvE? As a new-ish player (3.1M sp) you should be concentrating on small ships. Small ships are easy to fly, cheap to lose and most decent Corps will keep you supplied with replacements if you step up and join Ops on a regular basis. Sooner than you think, you'll be a valuable asset to a well rounded Op fleet. Find a better Corp, dude.
Montross 0	Posted - 2009.08.28 11:27:00 - [137] 8/10
LordSwift Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc	Posted - 2009.08.28 11:27:00 - [138] Originally by: Caelestics Edited by: Caelestics on 28/08/2009 11:25:21 Originally by: Gebher'el The OP is obvious either a FPS fan or a former WoW player but at the very least a MORON. I can take an under 2 mill skill point character, put them in a Crucifer and make them an effective, very effective part of a frigate squadron that will make even some battle cruisers afraid. lol you have trouble reading do you? Maybe you should go back to wow. Why would i want join frigate squadron, or fleet? I tryed them and they are very, very boring. At least in empire, where you need search hour till find target So all eve can offer is extremly boring gank pvp? seriosly? Well if your bored, cancel and play something else. Dont waste your time complaining about it. We all love the game and find fun in things we do. Hence why i cross trained to do anything i like. Mine in hulk or fly amarr or caldari BS abit not well but il get their. Oh i can invent as well. hehe
LordSwift Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc	Posted - 2009.08.28 11:28:00 - [139] Originally by: Chantilly Layce Pay? For EvE? As a new-ish player (3.1M sp) you should be concentrating on small ships. Small ships are easy to fly, cheap to lose and most decent Corps will keep you supplied with replacements if you step up and join Ops on a regular basis. Sooner than you think, you'll be a valuable asset to a well rounded Op fleet. Find a better Corp, dude. Yeah i nearly have all the frigs in the game made. 30 of each. Keeping me busy when i have time to play and mine
Caelestics	Posted - 2009.08.28 11:29:00 - [140] Originally by: Chantilly Layce Pay? For EvE? As a new-ish player (3.1M sp) you should be concentrating on small ships. Small ships are easy to fly, cheap to lose and most decent Corps will keep you supplied with replacements if you step up and join Ops on a regular basis. Sooner than you think, you'll be a valuable asset to a well rounded Op fleet. Find a better Corp, dude. well ofc pay.. how im gonna make 300m isk monthly, cant do lvl4 missions yet. Anyways i have no trouble buying ships etc, i have plenty isk for these. Problem is extremly boring pvp system eve have right now. Wtb more actions you can during fight, would be fun if fghts would actually reguire skill instead just gear
LordSwift Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc	Posted - 2009.08.28 11:31:00 - [141] Edited by: LordSwift on 28/08/2009 11:32:12 Originally by: Caelestics Originally by: Chantilly Layce Pay? For EvE? As a new-ish player (3.1M sp) you should be concentrating on small ships. Small ships are easy to fly, cheap to lose and most decent Corps will keep you supplied with replacements if you step up and join Ops on a regular basis. Sooner than you think, you'll be a valuable asset to a well rounded Op fleet. Find a better Corp, dude. well ofc pay.. how im gonna make 300m isk monthly, cant do lvl4 missions yet. Anyways i have no trouble buying ships etc, i have plenty isk for these. Problem is extremly boring pvp system eve have right now. Wtb more actions you can during fight, would be fun if fghts would actually reguire skill instead just gear Jumpgate Evolution sounds right up your alley then. Or for singleplayer, try X3 Terran Conflict. Ohhh or DUST 514 when it comes out along with WIS(Incarta)
Chantilly Layce	Posted - 2009.08.28 11:37:00 - [142] 10M to 12M a day, more or less, to afford a PLEX each month, is not alot of effort. Whether you decide to do Level 4 missions, mine, salvage, trade or whatever (I'd advise against any form of "banking" business efforts these days <grin> for the sake of rounding out the list) YOU MUST TRAIN, paduwan. o7
Cpt Branko Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2009.08.28 11:47:00 - [143] Originally by: Caelestics Originally by: Chantilly Layce Pay? For EvE? As a new-ish player (3.1M sp) you should be concentrating on small ships. Small ships are easy to fly, cheap to lose and most decent Corps will keep you supplied with replacements if you step up and join Ops on a regular basis. Sooner than you think, you'll be a valuable asset to a well rounded Op fleet. Find a better Corp, dude. well ofc pay.. how im gonna make 300m isk monthly, cant do lvl4 missions yet. Anyways i have no trouble buying ships etc, i have plenty isk for these. Problem is extremly boring pvp system eve have right now. Wtb more actions you can during fight, would be fun if fghts would actually reguire skill instead just gear Fights actually require skill instead of just gear. The reason so many newbies die horribly is that there's more to combat then clicking "approach" and hitting F1, and that they engage people left and right without thinking it through. PVP certainly involves a lot of thinking and the occasional fast reaction (eg. if you fly ranged ships, have to run away, need to tackle that guy who's faster then you and so on). Of course this all only really applies if you're flying solo / in a small gang, which is where the fun is anyway. Get out of high-sec. High-sec wars bring nothing but boredom. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Veloni	Posted - 2009.08.28 11:47:00 - [144] Originally by: Caelestics would be fun if fghts would actually reguire skill instead just gear This basicly shows how much you actually know about eve. (meant in a bad way) Anyway, i'm gonna stop because I have the feeling your just a troll, and if your not, seriously seek another game.
Cpt Branko Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2009.08.28 11:48:00 - [145] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 28/08/2009 11:48:24 Originally by: Chantilly Layce 10M to 12M a day, more or less, to afford a PLEX each month, is not alot of effort. Whether you decide to do Level 4 missions, mine, salvage, trade or whatever (I'd advise against any form of "banking" business efforts these days <grin> for the sake of rounding out the list) YOU MUST TRAIN, paduwan. o7 It's far too much effort. Earning 15$ each month is far less effort. Doing level 4 missions is about as fun as cleaning toilets tbh. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Stygian Knight Bannable Offense. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.08.28 11:52:00 - [146] Originally by: Caelestics I like idea behind eve and i love sci-fi :) Thats pretty mutch only reason im paying for this game atm. Lets face, there's nothing to do in game.. Jeah i get it, this sandbox game, but t doesnt change fact that game itself is empty. Pve: missions, mining hmm, not interesting enough Pvp: Well to be any desent in pvp you need lots and lots sp, i have 3.1m atm and would need few million more before i could (possibly) enjoy pvp. Also this game is 100% gear dependant, unless you have sp for good, wel fitted ship you wont enjoy game Low sec/empire pvp: very boring, I'm in corp that does alot empire pvp and well its not worth time 0.0: I havent actually tryed it, pvping in huge fleet MIGHT be fun but i seriosly doubt it Only option atm for somebody who havent played game for years is to join gank fleets, which are boring. never liked team pvp in most mmorpgs, i like soloing and thats not possible for me in eve atm, maybe after few month when i can fly well fitted dominix. So pretty mutch what im paying for atm: I log every few day to check my skill training, sometimes i might join corp gank fleet, only to find out its boring Maybe im doing something wrong and you are welcome to tell your opinion dude, go play wow.
Suboran Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.28 12:20:00 - [147] you need a brain to pvp not skill points
Dravius Luxor Minmatar Phoibe Enterprises	Posted - 2009.08.28 12:38:00 - [148] Holy crap. Honestly. My biggest problem in Eve is deciding what to do!!! I can't clone jump more than once in 24 hours... which clone shall I use today... aaaargh!!!
Caelestics	Posted - 2009.08.28 12:47:00 - [149] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Caelestics Originally by: Chantilly Layce Pay? For EvE? As a new-ish player (3.1M sp) you should be concentrating on small ships. Small ships are easy to fly, cheap to lose and most decent Corps will keep you supplied with replacements if you step up and join Ops on a regular basis. Sooner than you think, you'll be a valuable asset to a well rounded Op fleet. Find a better Corp, dude. well ofc pay.. how im gonna make 300m isk monthly, cant do lvl4 missions yet. Anyways i have no trouble buying ships etc, i have plenty isk for these. Problem is extremly boring pvp system eve have right now. Wtb more actions you can during fight, would be fun if fghts would actually reguire skill instead just gear Fights actually require skill instead of just gear. The reason so many newbies die horribly is that there's more to combat then clicking "approach" and hitting F1, and that they engage people left and right without thinking it through. PVP certainly involves a lot of thinking and the occasional fast reaction (eg. if you fly ranged ships, have to run away, need to tackle that guy who's faster then you and so on). Of course this all only really applies if you're flying solo / in a small gang, which is where the fun is anyway. Get out of high-sec. High-sec wars bring nothing but boredom. It is cute how you think eve pvp reguire skill .. lol. Let me ask something, eve is your first mmorpg? It sure sounds like it.
Caelestics	Posted - 2009.08.28 12:50:00 - [150] Originally by: Dravius Luxor Holy crap. Honestly. My biggest problem in Eve is deciding what to do!!! I can't clone jump more than once in 24 hours... which clone shall I use today... aaaargh!!! really? usually when i log into eve i end up either sitting docced or sometimes i might fly few sector without any particular reason, usually dont take more than 10min before i log out. every now and then i join corp gank fleet, just spend hour trying find even 1 target we can attack

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