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Xzibit v2	Posted - 2009.08.31 12:43:00 - [1] http://thefinalstand.org/eve/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=31 Efficiency:33.12% Victory to EVE University - well done. So STAND, what's your excuse for losing to the newbies of eve?
Lexa Hellfury Incura	Posted - 2009.08.31 12:45:00 - [2] Originally by: Xzibit v2 So STAND, what's your excuse for losing to the newbies of eve? 3000 Blackbirds would be my guess. Originally by: RedSplat The Forum moderation Software known as Mitnal became self aware. CCP had no choice but to shut it down.
Lexa Hellfury Incura	Posted - 2009.08.31 12:48:00 - [3] Although if you go to the losses tab, and check out the "Involved Parties" column it pretty much tells the story. And I didn't even have to create a thread to figure it out! Originally by: RedSplat The Forum moderation Software known as Mitnal became self aware. CCP had no choice but to shut it down.
Lexa Hellfury Incura	Posted - 2009.08.31 12:50:00 - [4] I mean, really, you couldn't figure it out for yourself? Originally by: RedSplat The Forum moderation Software known as Mitnal became self aware. CCP had no choice but to shut it down.
AdmiralJohn The Unknown Bar and Pub	Posted - 2009.08.31 12:57:00 - [5] Originally by: Lexa Hellfury I mean, really, you couldn't figure it out for yourself? Loading the right-hand side of that page took up 100% of my CPU. Ouch.
Larkonis TrassIer Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.31 12:57:00 - [6] Originally by: Lexa Hellfury I mean, really, you couldn't figure it out for yourself? Yo dawg I heard jumping an RR gang without MWDs into a hostile fleet on a regional gate was a good idea. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator
Commoner Caldari The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.08.31 13:01:00 - [7] Edited by: Commoner on 31/08/2009 13:01:55 To be honest, i think EVE University did a good job here, a gang of highly skilled RR BS can be very effective, EVE-U probably used every means at their disposal to disable that RR fleet.
Xzibit v2	Posted - 2009.08.31 13:05:00 - [8] Why would anyone dec the NEW players LEARNING the game??? Is this the REAL FIGHT STAND want? Ganking week old players?
Ta'jek Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.31 13:05:00 - [9] things don;t usually end well when the enemy ecm ships nearly outnumber your fleet
Lexa Hellfury Incura	Posted - 2009.08.31 13:11:00 - [10] Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer Originally by: Lexa Hellfury I mean, really, you couldn't figure it out for yourself? Yo dawg I heard jumping an RR gang without MWDs into a hostile fleet on a regional gate was a good idea. Tbh It's a terrible idea to engage with those fits even if the hostiles were jumping into you. A Dominix with no sensor booster has an 8 second lock time on a BS. From the time someone gets primaried, to the time they broadcast, to the time your fleet actually reacts and manages to lock you, you're talking a best case scenario of 12 seconds, more realistically 15. With that much hostile DPS on the field and no Trimarks on any of those ships, the primary is already below 25% armor before his fleet even locks him. Factor in e-war and jumping in on a region gate (wtf, really?), and you're pretty much **ed from the get-go. And then there's: Hey guise, I fit zero plates on my RR BS Hey guise I fit zero resists on my RR BS Hey guise wat's a stacking penalty?(really, 5 damage mods?) Hey guise should I fit e-war on my e-war cruiser? Originally by:** RedSplat The Forum moderation Software known as Mitnal became self aware. CCP had no choice but to shut it down.

Jovoich Kleinrock Heavy Industries The Kadeshi	Posted - 2009.08.31 13:13:00 - [11] Originally by: Ta'jek things don;t usually end well when the enemy ecm ships nearly outnumber your fleet To be fair, if someone war-deccing EVE Uni didn't expect that, then they've got to be pretty slack I call 'Bull****' CCP. Isn't it great that the alchemy process was introduced & can 'take up the slack?'
Ta'jek Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.31 13:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Jovoich Originally by: Ta'jek things don;t usually end well when the enemy ecm ships nearly outnumber your fleet To be fair, if someone war-deccing EVE Uni didn't expect that, then they've got to be pretty slack maybe it was a way to hide their charitable side by donating their gear as loot?
Xzibit v2	Posted - 2009.08.31 13:16:00 - [13] Originally by: Lexa Hellfury Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer Originally by: Lexa Hellfury I mean, really, you couldn't figure it out for yourself? Yo dawg I heard jumping an RR gang without MWDs into a hostile fleet on a regional gate was a good idea. Tbh It's a terrible idea to engage with those fits even if the hostiles were jumping into you. A Dominix with no sensor booster has an 8 second lock time on a BS. From the time someone gets primaried, to the time they broadcast, to the time your fleet actually reacts and manages to lock you, you're talking a best case scenario of 12 seconds, more realistically 15. With that much hostile DPS on the field and no Trimarks on any of those ships, the primary is already below 25% armor before his fleet even locks him. Factor in e-war and jumping in on a region gate (wtf, really?), and you're pretty much ****ed from the get-go. And then there's: Hey guise, I fit zero plates on my RR BS Hey guise I fit zero resists on my RR BS Hey guise wat's a stacking penalty?(really, 5 damage mods?) Hey guise should I fit e-war on my e-war cruiser? So you really mean it was terrible fits and FCing?
Lexa Hellfury Incura	Posted - 2009.08.31 13:20:00 - [14] Originally by: Xzibit v2 So you really mean it was terrible fits and FCing? Most of the fits are decent (aside from the lack of MWDs, which is acceptable in some situations). Tbh, I would say it had more to do with the blob, but yes, bad fits and bad decisions certainly played a factor. PS - Is that you Shigsy? Originally by: RedSplat The Forum moderation Software known as Mitnal became self aware. CCP had no choice but to shut it down.
Xzibit v2	Posted - 2009.08.31 13:22:00 - [15] Originally by: Lexa Hellfury Originally by: Xzibit v2 So you really mean it was terrible fits and FCing? Most of the fits are decent (aside from the lack of MWDs, which is acceptable in some situations). Tbh, I would say it had more to do with the blob, but yes, bad fits and bad decisions certainly played a factor. PS - Is that you Shigsy? I hear scouting lets you avoid being blobbed to death.
Shigsy Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.31 13:23:00 - [16] Nope its not, but it doesn't mean TFS aren't ****. THIS SIGNATURE IS SMALLER THAN 24000 BYTES Join "C&P" ingame!
Oscardoodle Amarr	Posted - 2009.08.31 13:29:00 - [17] Needs moar ewar.
Mr Reason	Posted - 2009.08.31 13:58:00 - [18] well, that sure was a final stand.
William Escobar Gallente Trichomes Unlimited	Posted - 2009.08.31 14:13:00 - [19] maybe they knew they were not going to win and just did it for the lulz?
Xzibit v2	Posted - 2009.08.31 14:14:00 - [20] Originally by: William Escobar maybe they knew they were not going to win and just did it for the lulz? They didnt want those ships anyway, they did it for the insurance. c/d?

Cang Zar	Posted - 2009.08.31 14:15:00 - [21] Oh someone decced EVE-U and didnt know what the hell they were in for, omg the blackbirds are blotting out the sun! Oldie but goodie about how the UNI fights wars. Quote: We form a Grand Blob with 3 people who have been to lots of wars, 20 people who have just taken the tackling class, 5 people who are wondering what a "TS" is, and 1 person who is so new they think this is part of the tutorial. It takes us 10 minutes to figure out if we are a "tackler" or an "EW", and we haven't even left the station yet. We find the enemy. As Leader #1 "calls a primary" 4 people put their vote in gang chat, then Leader #2 says "Jam that guy" and somewhere someone stands up from their computer and starts to do the "Hammer", And although nobody ever quite realizes this is what happened, Leader #3 has already been podded by 5 of our own guys who are now super excited they killed an enemy Battleship. After the dust clears we've got 5 people left - shot 5 of the enemy (net loss 45) and for us this is a MASSIVE FREAKIN VICTORY! It is too cause our ships cost 1mil each and thiers about 200. We try to remember which way is home and then fly off in the wrong direction as somewhere nearby, sitting in their pod in a station, someone is thinking this is the best tutorial in an MMO ever.
Mr Reason	Posted - 2009.08.31 14:22:00 - [22] I think you mixed up goons with eve-uni, although it's an understandable mistake.
Neacail	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:33:00 - [23] So what's TFS' response to this? They got what they were asking for. Hopefully now they will take their heads out of their asses.
FU22 The Furry Toast	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:52:00 - [24] was expecting a final stand chest beating thread. Left dissapointed
leboe Dark Star Cartel	Posted - 2009.08.31 16:29:00 - [25] free captain batou
Ame Sonoda Caldari Requiem of the Sinner	Posted - 2009.08.31 16:38:00 - [26] 26th in a Fercious Fear emorage thread!
sir gankalot	Posted - 2009.08.31 16:59:00 - [27] Originally by: FU22 was expecting a final stand chest beating thread. Left dissapointed Same
Mr Reason	Posted - 2009.08.31 17:03:00 - [28] Where's the normal TFS rampant posting brigade? You'd expect them to be allover yet another thread about them.
Elise Randolph The Illuminati.	Posted - 2009.08.31 17:48:00 - [29] I for one am shocked that E-Uni didn't bring even numbers for an ~hounoure~ fight. What is this game coming to? ----------
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.31 18:18:00 - [30] Originally by: Xzibit v2 So STAND, what's your excuse for losing to the newbies of eve? The blob ... Unfortunately the majority out there feel that coming out on top in the isk killed on ships means you've won the war. Other factors you need to consider: - Did you have to adjust your style of gaming - Did you lose members - Did you gain members (suspend recruitment?) Wars a fought in other places than on the battlefield AND the ones with the bigger wallet and can sustain ship losses are the victors ... Unfortunately the ONLY way you can fight Eve-Uni is an extended war ... then their noobs will drop off for lack of play. Have TFS lost the war? ... NO ... the Battle ... maybe ... But not the war. Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox

Neacail	Posted - 2009.08.31 18:35:00 - [31] Originally by: The PitBoss Have TFS lost the war? ... NO ... the Battle ... maybe ... But not the war. Actually, I'd say they lost. EVE-Uni probably gained members, while the so called noobs are having a blast. ISK efficiency is definitely one of the main factors to consider, as it directly affects morale and therefore the other things you mentioned. Sure, if they are still fighting, they can turn things around. But do you really see that happening?
Xzibit v2	Posted - 2009.08.31 18:37:00 - [32] When there is no sovereignty at state, ISK is the only factor that matter.
sooperkool	Posted - 2009.08.31 18:45:00 - [33] Originally by: Elise Randolph I for one am shocked that E-Uni didn't bring even numbers for an ~hounoure~ fight. What is this game coming to? you are the last person that should be talking about 'hounoure' and 'blobs'. dont you have some nap train lovin' todo. since all of your 'standing resets' are a joke anyway.
Elise Randolph The Illuminati.	Posted - 2009.08.31 20:12:00 - [34] Originally by: sooperkool Originally by: Elise Randolph I for one am shocked that E-Uni didn't bring even numbers for an ~hounoure~ fight. What is this game coming to? you are the last person that should be talking about 'hounoure' and 'blobs'. dont you have some nap train lovin' todo. since all of your 'standing resets' are a joke anyway. YOU CUT ME DEEP BRO :( :( :( :( :( :( :( ----------
sir gankalot	Posted - 2009.08.31 20:16:00 - [35] TFS The Fail Stand :')
RedSplat Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.08.31 20:16:00 - [36] Edited by: RedSplat on 31/08/2009 20:22:08 Kinda Miffed i didnt make the first page in this thread given i suggested they Dec'd E-Uni; stfu we didnt dec them 'cause you said we should . Do Not Mess With Eve Uni How many **ing times do people have to learn this? Love you EDITS: If its true they engaged on a regional gate that was a BAD move. E-Uni BB pilots are New. Very New. Hardly any of them have E-War spots on gates so often just warp in with fleet, on a regional gate this means on average greater distance between them and you than a normal gate. Now, that said....If E-Uni had jumped into TFS i would expect better isk ratios. The choice of Domis is a GOOD one, IF TFS actually used the right drones instead of Hurf Durf 5 Ogre II's. Not carryin sensor boosters and ECCM? Bad idea. Sounds a bit like a case of not doing your homework. Still, i guess you now know one corp in eve that brings more EWAR than Noobfleet! Oh and please, dont just spam the report thread/post buttons to make the bad men go away, try being open about your shortcomings for once and try and improve- thats why i suggested E-Uni, they give most Elite PEEVEEPEE corporations a rude awakening. Originally by:** CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Project 001	Posted - 2009.08.31 20:17:00 - [37] Edited by: Project 001 on 31/08/2009 20:18:06 Large fleets are a byproduct of how Eve University functions. First, it lets in any new player that wants to join. Then, it says "if you want to try pvp, x up. Wait, you don't have a ship, we'll give you a free frig/cruiser with fittings." New players are encouraged to try their hands at either tackling or ecm, because those are two ways where a low-sp pilot can be highly effective in a battle. Older players are used to apply damage, though 50 t1 frigs starts to add up in damage. Since the ships and mods are free, and noobs want to see what this whole "war" thing is like, they tend to have some large numbers x up, and they don't turn anyone down. A lot of those players will be in their first fleet battle, or maybe their first week of pvp ever. Eve Uni won't tell them "you can't PVP", as thats not their role. They let them fleet up, try to teach them about ts and fleet movement, and point them at the enemy. Usually, one ends up scrambling a gate by mistake, but its a free lesson on why you don't do that. Plus, its hard to come out ahead on isk efficiency against an enemy where the majority of pilots are using the free t1 frigs and cruisers.
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2009.08.31 20:28:00 - [38] Originally by: The PitBoss Unfortunately the majority out there feel that coming out on top in the isk killed on ships means you've won the war. Wise Words from The PitBoss. There's a lot of ways to wage war on your enemies, and some of them don't require firing a single shot. Anyways, congratulations to both sides. TFS for starting the war, and Eve Uni for stepping up to the challenge. It can be difficult to get new players to fight in a war, even with free pre-fitted ships.
Vaden Khale Amarr Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.31 22:06:00 - [39] Disappointed by lack of chest beating from Ferocious Fear and Tash. I miss their rants about how they are the greatest thing to ever grace this game. Scratch that, this was nothing but a cesspool until they descended in glory from the heavens to elevate the cesspool to game status. I guess I'll just have to log in and listen to UndeadMaster go on about how TFS invented the BlasteRokhÖ Signature Locked. Please refrain from amending a moderated warning. Zymurgist
Jesslyn Daggererux Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.08.31 22:25:00 - [40] this is why SRIUS BISNIS and Private nuisance hell no to the Band of Basterds (BOB) ideas of going to war with eve uni. its not fun, and there's no fighting a force of noobs that large. and the worst sin, its not profitable. sure, sometimes i have a bout of insanity that tells me that it wont be so bad, but then i see the latest stomping and am glad i stopped myself before it was too late. -------------------------

J McAllen	Posted - 2009.08.31 23:15:00 - [41] Edited by: J McAllen on 31/08/2009 23:15:30 They had flown into the Uni's new home, which is a dead end, and wandered around a bit. While they were busy camping the station (which comes with free insta undocks), the E-UNI fleet went and waited for them on the exit gate. From local, while TFS are waiting on the other side of the gate (it's a constellation gate by the way, but the Minmatar ones are big): [ 2009.08.27 03:24:15 ] Katorah > we will never jump into you btw Apparently 'never' in this instance means about 5 minutes, as they were busy exploding not long after. I've seen the Uni camp people for hours though, so I dare say they could have waited them out. Sounds like the newbs of E-UNI enjoyed themselves, and as Jesslyn mentioned, you can't win against them - either you get ridiculed for losing, or you get ridiculed for 'picking on the noobs' as you can't take on a proper foe. Lose/lose. Props to TFS for taking it on though. Oh, and Pitboss, E-UNI changed their process stuff a while back - some may drop from the corp itself, but they still teach them, and they don't close recruiting any more, so they may agree with you a little on that suggestion.
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.08.31 23:25:00 - [42] Pilot A: "How many T1 Frigates are out there?" Pilot B: looks out window of ship "All of them, I think." Pilot A: .... Killboard-Declarations of War Podcast
Miranda Velirain Ambrosia Industries	Posted - 2009.08.31 23:35:00 - [43] Was flying threw Eygfe that day... [ 2009.08.27 02:47:03 ] EVE System > Channel changed to Eygfe Local Channel [ 2009.08.27 03:06:55 ] Sylence Golden > umm hi [ 2009.08.27 03:09:16 ] Foot 42 > o/ [ 2009.08.27 03:22:11 ] DenShou > woah tons of people on the gate [ 2009.08.27 03:24:15 ] Katorah > we will never jump into you btw [ 2009.08.27 03:37:40 ] Qu33n N3criZ > foot did u sell all your ice? [ 2009.08.27 03:38:01 ] Foot 42 > not todays [ 2009.08.27 03:38:19 ] Qu33n N3criZ > lol i see theres almost nothing left from buyer [ 2009.08.27 03:39:00 ] Qu33n N3criZ > i was in mmeting and my wife was mining for me... surprised she kept it together lol [ 2009.08.27 03:39:29 ] ViRUS Pottage > UR ** [ 2009.08.27 03:39:32 ] ViRUS Pottage > EVERY ONE OF YOU [ 2009.08.27 03:39:51 ] Qu33n N3criZ > ??? [ 2009.08.27 03:39:55 ] Foot 42 > ? [ 2009.08.27 03:39:59 ] ViRUS Pottage > euni blob [ 2009.08.27 03:40:11 ] Qu33n N3criZ > crackhead [ 2009.08.27 03:40:18 ] ViRUS Pottage > like 70 vs 10 [ 2009.08.27 03:40:20 ] ViRUS Pottage > *** [ 2009.08.27 03:40:31 ] Qu33n N3criZ > lol what happened [ 2009.08.27 03:40:47 ] ViRUS Pottage > warp to aldrat gate and prepare for lag [ 2009.08.27 03:40:48 ] Qu33n N3criZ > is there a war in our area? [ 2009.08.27 03:41:10 ] ViRUS Pottage > there is epic fights on aldrat gate [ 2009.08.27 03:41:26 ] Qu33n N3criZ > it explains the jump in local [ 2009.08.27 03:41:32 ] ViRUS Pottage > im off [ 2009.08.27 03:41:33 ] ViRUS Pottage > o/ [ 2009.08.27 03:41:35 ] Qu33n N3criZ > all i see is ice :P [ 2009.08.27 03:41:42 ] Razor Blue > wtf is going on here? [ 2009.08.27 03:42:33 ] Qu33n N3criZ > ** at aldrat gate apparently [ 2009.08.27 03:43:44 ] Qu33n N3criZ > or in aldrat [ 2009.08.27 03:47:36 ] WNKyle > gf, shame we needed to jump into you [ 2009.08.27 03:47:40 ] Kriegarman > gf [ 2009.08.27 03:47:42 ] Korr'Tanas > gf [ 2009.08.27 03:47:45 ] Irdalth Delrar > gf [ 2009.08.27 03:47:47 ] Ferocious FeAr > lmao [ 2009.08.27 03:47:54 ] Thanbin > GF [ 2009.08.27 03:48:03 ] Tergeronn > gf [ 2009.08.27 03:48:06 ] Gabriel Santiago > gf [ 2009.08.27 03:48:10 ] Ubercado > where did you ships go? I think we accidentally all of them... i laughed and went on my way.
MrChook THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 01:04:00 - [44] Surprised it took someone so long to start this thread I was at work at the time so missed out on this but I'm told our guys got bored and jumped into the blob... in RR Domis... without MWDs... it was never going to end any other way was it? Was it a mistake? Depends on how you look at it. Did the TFS members have fun? Did Eve Uni? Was it poor FCing? I'd say no because it's pretty self evident what would (and did) happen. It was essentially a decision to suicide the ships
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.09.01 01:19:00 - [45] I'm impressed no one has blamed it on eve u's dishonorable tactic of using a falcon.. What have I been up to?
Patirch Annores	Posted - 2009.09.01 01:35:00 - [46] Originally by: Xzibit v2 http://thefinalstand.org/eve/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=31 Efficiency:33.12% Victory to EVE University - well done. So STAND, what's your excuse for losing to the newbies of eve? Xzibit v2, Why does a 1 day old character call out TFS about a war with EUNI? kinda lame... <--- kinda like this post by an ALT! OMFGOSH!
RedSplat Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.09.01 01:37:00 - [47] Maybe you should like, fit MWD's next time Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
MrChook THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 01:45:00 - [48] Originally by: Lana Torrin I'm impressed no one has blamed it on eve u's dishonorable tactic of using a falcon.. Well, they did only bring one (or at least only one that showed up on a mail), and a few Blackbirds, and a few Scorpions, but nobody fits ECM to those right? TBH, doesn't matter how much ECM they did or did not bring, wouldn't have changed the outcome either way
Xzibit v2	Posted - 2009.09.01 01:46:00 - [49] Edited by: Xzibit v2 on 01/09/2009 01:46:01 Originally by: Patirch Annores Why does a 1 day old character call out TFS about a war with EUNI? kinda lame... <--- kinda like this post by an ALT! OMFGOSH! Didnt want RL death threats.
Manu Hermanus FaDoyToy	Posted - 2009.09.01 02:26:00 - [50] 173 to 32, but the final stand won!?!?!?!?

Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.09.01 02:27:00 - [51] Wait, so TFS makes a thread on the warfare forums about how everyone in Eve is scarred of them, and scarred of fighting them, challenging anyone to wardec them. Someone suggests EUNI and the the best of my memory they refuse because it would be too easy for them. So now they've decced them, lost to them, and after reading one of the killmails on the first thread (The one about 5 damage mods), either that poster was making it up, or they are editing killmails. ________________________________________________ My Music Posts slowly rising in quality to the decline of my dignity.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.09.01 02:59:00 - [52] They didn't want that RR fleet anyways. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.09.01 03:43:00 - [53] Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest Wait, so TFS makes a thread on the warfare forums about how everyone in Eve is scarred of them, and scarred of fighting them, challenging anyone to wardec them. Someone suggests EUNI and the the best of my memory they refuse because it would be too easy for them. So now they've decced them, lost to them, and after reading one of the killmails on the first thread (The one about 5 damage mods), either that poster was making it up, or they are editing killmails. Seriously... what thread are you reading? What have I been up to?
Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.09.01 03:55:00 - [54] Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest Wait, so TFS makes a thread on the warfare forums about how everyone in Eve is scarred of them, and scarred of fighting them, challenging anyone to wardec them. Someone suggests EUNI and the the best of my memory they refuse because it would be too easy for them. So now they've decced them, lost to them, and after reading one of the killmails on the first thread (The one about 5 damage mods), either that poster was making it up, or they are editing killmails. Seriously... what thread are you reading? Linky for the thread I referred to. Originally by: Lexa Hellfury And then there's: Hey guise wat's a stacking penalty?(really, 5 damage mods?) And that was the killmail I was referring to. ________________________________________________ My Music Posts slowly rising in quality to the decline of my dignity.
MrChook THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 05:12:00 - [55] Originally by: Artemis Rose They didn't want that RR fleet anyways. Confirmed
Roastedpot Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.09.01 05:32:00 - [56] Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest Wait, so TFS makes a thread on the warfare forums about how everyone in Eve is scarred of them, and scarred of fighting them, challenging anyone to wardec them. Someone suggests EUNI and the the best of my memory they refuse because it would be too easy for them. So now they've decced them, lost to them, and after reading one of the killmails on the first thread (The one about 5 damage mods), either that poster was making it up, or they are editing killmails. Seriously... what thread are you reading? i dont like your tone lil misses
Noskill McCheese Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.01 05:50:00 - [57] loooolllololol fail fit bs, lolwut? Yo dawgz, I heard MWD were p. useful mods to have on your ship. Looks like you guys don't leave station radius much?
Roastedpot Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.09.01 05:52:00 - [58] Originally by: Noskill McCheese loooolllololol fail fit bs, lolwut? Yo dawgz, I heard MWD were p. useful mods to have on your ship. Looks like you guys don't leave station radius much? <3 mwd
Lexa Hellfury Incura	Posted - 2009.09.01 06:30:00 - [59] Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest and after reading one of the killmails on the first thread (The one about 5 damage mods), either that poster was making it up, or they are editing killmails. hai guise wat are rig slots? Originally by: RedSplat The Forum moderation Software known as Mitnal became self aware. CCP had no choice but to shut it down.
MrChook THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 06:36:00 - [60] Originally by: Noskill McCheese loooolllololol fail fit bs, lolwut? Yo dawgz, I heard MWD were p. useful mods to have on your ship. Looks like you guys don't leave station radius much? Yeah, because MWDs are really useful when you expect to be blobbed with dedicated scrambling frigates...

Noskill McCheese Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.01 06:50:00 - [61] Oh snap I forgot about instalocking frigates with 30km scramblers piloted by all those euni noobs. Yeah you're right you wouldn't have been able to use MWD for even a second to try and maybe get some sort of 'formation' on the go for your 'rrbs'.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.09.01 06:52:00 - [62] Don't the University get other corps to dec them as a means of training their pilots?
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.09.01 07:18:00 - [63] Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Don't the University get other corps to dec them as a means of training their pilots? I believe it just sorta happens that way.. I have accidentally run in to an eve-u school in lowsec once.. I didn't realize I was attacking someone in eve-u till the other 500 of then turned up. I did get 4 of them before they took me down though! (no, no fraps or proof, and no, not on Lana as I didn't want to ruin my perfect record by actually killing someone) What have I been up to?
MrChook THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 07:31:00 - [64] Originally by: Noskill McCheese Oh snap I forgot about instalocking frigates with 30km scramblers piloted by all those euni noobs. Yeah you're right you wouldn't have been able to use MWD for even a second to try and maybe get some sort of 'formation' on the go for your 'rrbs'. You do know how big those Minmatar gates are right? Even with a small burst of MWD it's not likely many would have been able to get in range of each other, certainly not enough to make a difference to the outcome.
Lexa Hellfury Incura	Posted - 2009.09.01 07:52:00 - [65] Originally by: MrChook Even with a small burst of MWD it's not likely many would have been able to get in range of each other Clearly "no chance at all" is a significantly better option than "not likely". Originally by: RedSplat The Forum moderation Software known as Mitnal became self aware. CCP had no choice but to shut it down.
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.09.01 08:18:00 - [66] How dare people play Eve without winning 100% of the time? This shouldn't be allowed.
MrChook THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 08:30:00 - [67] Yes, it's terrible. Especially with TFS being the best, Eve Uni was obviously cheating.
Icer Xx	Posted - 2009.09.01 08:33:00 - [68] This is why women shouldn't lead alliances
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.09.01 08:41:00 - [69] Originally by: Icer Xx This is why women shouldn't lead alliances To be fair, sometimes women can be the sole reason why alliances that are horrible don't fall apart. Dark Taboo alliance would be non-existant 2 years ago if that wasn't the case ... --- Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Ame Sonoda Caldari Requiem of the Sinner	Posted - 2009.09.01 08:52:00 - [70] Originally by: MrChook Especially with TFS being the best 9/10

VoiceInTheDesert Inroads	Posted - 2009.09.01 08:58:00 - [71] Originally by: Lexa Hellfury Although if you go to the losses tab, and check out the "Involved Parties" column it pretty much tells the story. And I didn't even have to create a thread to figure it out! Confirming that professional "mercs" require even numbers to win fights....against noobs...half of which are in t1 cruisers or less...
Mr Reason	Posted - 2009.09.01 09:07:00 - [72] Deccing EVE-Uni is like standing in the path of an avalance going "I'm a big guy, I can take it. I know what snow is, jeez".
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.09.01 09:51:00 - [73] Originally by: Suitonia Originally by: Icer Xx This is why women shouldn't lead alliances To be fair, sometimes women can be the sole reason why alliances that are horrible don't fall apart. Dark Taboo alliance would be non-existant 2 years ago if that wasn't the case ... When Video Vent finally arrives, we can look forward to a few more alliances collapsing around a heap of pus ridden disease faced mothers with really husky voices. Personally I like Scottish call centres. Gail Porter seems to work in every last one of them. The Gail Porter from before... not the current one you understand. I'm not against baldies though, they should just do that sort of thing in their own homes. Also, I tried to crowbar a reference to making virgins harder than Chinese Algebra into this. Couldn't really manage it without sounding far too crude. It's too late for me. Could have done with video vent 4 years and 2 MMOs ago.
croakroach Gallente THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2009.09.01 10:12:00 - [74] What you fail to understand is that when your enemy refuses to engage and sits fully setup the other side of a gate for 2 hours, sometimes you have to say @#$# it and give it a shot anyway. We did, we killed 13 lost 15 in a 12 vs 55 match against; not to shabby? But this is just a troll thread so who really cares. GF to eve uni anyway. Lots of good fights when they actually decided to stop running.
FU22 The Furry Toast	Posted - 2009.09.01 10:40:00 - [75] Originally by: croakroach Edited by: croakroach on 01/09/2009 10:17:29 What you fail to understand is that when your enemy refuses to engage and sits fully setup the other side of a gate for 2 hours, sometimes you have to say @#$# it and give it a shot anyway. We did, we killed 13 lost 15 in a 12 vs 55 match against; not to shabby? We expected them to blob, it's what they do, and touting ISK efficiency against a corp who throws noob ships at you is rather silly. TFS Efficiency: 173 Ships killed(0.85B ISK) 32 Ships lost (1.72B ISK) GF to eve uni anyway. Lots of good fights when they actually decided to stop running. Originally by: FU22 was expecting a final stand chest beating thread. Left dissapointed I am no longer dissapointed
Shigsy Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.09.01 11:30:00 - [76] Thanks coackroach, was getting a bit worried. THIS SIGNATURE IS SMALLER THAN 24000 BYTES Join "C&P" ingame!
lucifers widow 3rd Kador lancers	Posted - 2009.09.01 11:47:00 - [77] Originally by: croakroach What you fail to understand is that when your enemy refuses to engage and sits fully setup the other side of a gate for 2 hours, sometimes you have to say @#$# it and give it a shot anyway. We did, we killed 13 lost 15 in a 12 vs 55 match against; not to shabby? We expected them to blob, it's what they do, and touting ISK efficiency against a corp who throws noob ships at you is rather silly. TFS Efficiency: 173 Ships killed(0.85B ISK) 32 Ships lost (1.72B ISK) GF to eve uni anyway. Lots of good fights when they actually decided to stop running. This is priceless, you sit on a gate for 2 hours waiting for the newbs to jump in,instead of looking for another route into them, or baiting them through, you then make a newb mistake instead and jump in youreselves. Also by the KB it does rather point to the fact that inspite of lack of mwd's and being jammed you lot did rather crap you're pants and panic somewhat, apart from a single BB the rest were random frig kills and the fight was effectively over by time you got you're act together and started getting damage on the right targets. Perhaps this was an application of sorts to join Eve uni, a sort of cry for help.
Takaia Ishagi	Posted - 2009.09.01 11:49:00 - [78] Originally by: croakroach What you fail to understand is that when your enemy refuses to engage while we sit in docking range of their HQ for 2 hours, sometimes you have to say @#$# it and give it a shot anyway. FYP
ViRUS Pottage Caldari THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 12:18:00 - [79] I will explain what happened in this fight. We went to their home system expecting a fight. Scouts tell us they have about 5 BB's and several scorps (I can't remember the exact numbers nor do I care). We sat at their station undock for >>4<< hours while they continue to undock small stuff and instawarp out. We decided to align to the gate thinking that their scouts would come to the station thinking "they are leaving guys catch them". We were wrong. They all warped to the gate and jumped. That gate they were now camping was the ONLY way out. We had been in their system with no action for over 4 hours, so we get on the gate and vent kicks off with: "LETS DO IT" "NO ITS SUICIDE" "LOL WHO CARES" "I CARE YOU **" " YOU" etc until we all get bored out of our minds. Its now like 4am for the UK guys and we just want to go to bed. Logging off in their system would mean we would be stuck and camped in all day, so FC gave the order to jump. We knew it was suicide. Did we care? We waited 4 damned hours for a fight and this was it, even if it wasn't in our favour. So we jumped, I personally was perma jammed with 2 overloaded ECCM and didn't lock a thing all fight. We died, but took a few with us. _________ Originally by:** CCP Taera May I have your stuff?
ViRUS Pottage Caldari THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 12:26:00 - [80] Originally by: Xzibit v2 Originally by: Lexa Hellfury Originally by: Xzibit v2 So you really mean it was terrible fits and FCing? Most of the fits are decent (aside from the lack of MWDs, which is acceptable in some situations). Tbh, I would say it had more to do with the blob, but yes, bad fits and bad decisions certainly played a factor. PS - Is that you Shigsy? I hear scouting lets you avoid being blobbed to death. We did scout them. We knew they were there. We knew jumping in was suicide. Who cares? It's pixels. As for the failfits. The Arbitrator is a 2 month old alt. The rest of the ships were quick 'ooh a gang let me fit what I have in my hangar to come along' fits. _________ Originally by: CCP Taera May I have your stuff?

ViRUS Pottage Caldari THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 12:37:00 - [81] Originally by: Xzibit v2 When there is no sovereignty at state, ISK is the only factor that matter. Not really. 100m to us is like 100k to them. When you have the isk to throw away, who cares about losing it? _________ Originally by: CCP Taera May I have your stuff?
Andrest Disch Amarr Debitum Naturae	Posted - 2009.09.01 13:01:00 - [82] Originally by: ViRUS Pottage We sat at their station undock for >>4<< hours while they continue to undock small stuff and instawarp out. Stopped reading there.
ViRUS Pottage Caldari THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 13:39:00 - [83] Originally by: Andrest Disch Originally by: ViRUS Pottage We sat at their station undock for >>4<< hours while they continue to undock small stuff and instawarp out. Stopped reading there. On behalf of C&P, I thank you for informing us that you stopped reading. _________ Originally by: CCP Taera May I have your stuff?
Steve's Darkness	Posted - 2009.09.01 14:22:00 - [84] Lets see, Characters old enough to fly ships with full t2 fit and guns and slave sets *****ing that newbs with out enough skills to even fly Battlecruisers didnt come out and fight them 1 v 1. hmmmm, you guys suck, it is clear from the logs that have been posted here and your average behaviour that you are all teens with little idea on what you are doing and no concept of what you attacked, congratulations
Ame Sonoda Caldari Requiem of the Sinner	Posted - 2009.09.01 14:28:00 - [85] Originally by: ViRUS Pottage Who cares? I don't think anyone would care if your corp weren't always flopping their flaccid e-peen around.
Miranda Velirain Amarr	Posted - 2009.09.01 14:51:00 - [86] After reading this and other topics by TFS, I have come to the conclusion that it looks like EVE is not for you... Have you thought about joining Dust 514 when it comes out?
cybergurl Caldari THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 15:15:00 - [87] Quote: Have you thought about joining Dust 514 when it comes out? Nah, they'd just be too scared to fight us.
ViRUS Pottage Caldari THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 15:17:00 - [88] Originally by: Steve's Darkness Lets see, Characters old enough to fly ships with full t2 fit and guns and slave sets ***ing that newbs with out enough skills to even fly Battlecruisers didnt come out and fight them 1 v 1. hmmmm, you guys suck, it is clear from the logs that have been posted here and your average behaviour that you are all teens with little idea on what you are doing and no concept of what you attacked, congratulations Uni alt who lost a rifter detected. Post with your main or kindly stfu. _________ Originally by:** CCP Taera May I have your stuff?
cybergurl Caldari THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 15:18:00 - [89] Quote: Uni alt who lost a rifter detected. Post with your main or kindly stfu. wardec with ur main or kindly stfu IMO
Manu Hermanus FaDoyToy	Posted - 2009.09.01 16:32:00 - [90] Originally by: Steve's Darkness Lets see, Characters old enough to fly ships with full t2 fit and guns and slave sets *****ing that newbs with out enough skills to even fly Battlecruisers didnt come out and fight them 1 v 1. hmmmm, you guys suck, it is clear from the logs that have been posted here and your average behaviour that you are all teens with little idea on what you are doing and no concept of what you attacked, congratulations in case you didn't realize in the one engagement eve uni fielded more battleships then the final stand guys fielded ships... so clearly it follows that eve uni is all newbs and cant even fly battle cruisers

RedSplat Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.09.01 16:58:00 - [91] Even on a regional gate. 6-7 KM distance from a single overloaded MWD cycle before you get scrammed + Range of T2 RR mod = You being able to pick a point for the gang to aproach and your RR actually keeping people alive. Too much PvP with the safety wheels on in dock range or gate hugging. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Chuck Buymoresellless	Posted - 2009.09.01 17:05:00 - [92] Originally by: Tiny Tove When Video Vent finally arrives, we can look forward to a few more alliances collapsing around a heap of pus ridden disease faced mothers with really husky voices. Personally I like Scottish call centres. Gail Porter seems to work in every last one of them. The Gail Porter from before... not the current one you understand. I'm not against baldies though, they should just do that sort of thing in their own homes. Also, I tried to crowbar a reference to making virgins harder than Chinese Algebra into this. Couldn't really manage it without sounding far too crude. It's too late for me. Could have done with video vent 4 years and 2 MMOs ago.[/quote Im glad they didnt have this 4 yrs ago then I couldnt convince people that im a 75yr old midget with a 4 foot long beard. Oh and I wouldnt have been able to imagine the women in EQ and other games as being hot.. makes it alot harder to lie convincingly and tell them that they really are attractive and the story they just told about how their husbands left for other EQ gamers wasnt because of looks but just bad taste if they can see you cringing with every word..
Political Prisoner Amarr Privateers	Posted - 2009.09.01 17:19:00 - [93] Originally by: RedSplat Too much PvP with the safety wheels on in dock range or gate hugging. Supported Respectfully, Political Prisoner
Larkonis TrassIer Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.09.01 17:32:00 - [94] Originally by: Manu Hermanus Originally by: Steve's Darkness Lets see, Characters old enough to fly ships with full t2 fit and guns and slave sets *****ing that newbs with out enough skills to even fly Battlecruisers didnt come out and fight them 1 v 1. hmmmm, you guys suck, it is clear from the logs that have been posted here and your average behaviour that you are all teens with little idea on what you are doing and no concept of what you attacked, congratulations in case you didn't realize in the one engagement eve uni fielded more battleships then the final stand guys fielded ships... so clearly it follows that eve uni is all newbs and cant even fly battle cruisers I would say that by and large Eve Uni BS fits are sub par to those of their opponents. But in this case I shall withold that statement. You can never expect to defeat entities like Eve uni head on. I've tried it before. The swarm is too large. Eve uni probably have the greatest resource in the game, unjaded, willing, keen pilots who don't care if they have to camp a gate or a station for hours on end for the chance of a kill. The way to defeat them is to harass them, deny them kills and pick off the noobs. We've had some success with sniper hacs and the like as their gangs roll through our pipe, picking off 3-4 per run. However be aware. Sitting in range of Sniper BS in an unbuffered HAC is generally considered a bad idea. It is perfectly plausable to deal with the uni as part of a protracted campaign. You just have to apply a bit of lateral thinking, something which a lot of corps, TFS included, appear unable/unwilling to do. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator
UndeadMaster Gallente the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.09.01 18:21:00 - [95] Originally by: Vaden Khale Disappointed by lack of chest beating from Ferocious Fear and Tash. I miss their rants about how they are the greatest thing to ever grace this game. Scratch that, this was nothing but a cesspool until they descended in glory from the heavens to elevate the cesspool to game status. I guess I'll just have to log in and listen to UndeadMaster go on about how TFS invented the BlasteRokhÖ Cant wait bro
Lexa Hellfury Incura	Posted - 2009.09.01 18:28:00 - [96] Originally by: ViRUS Pottage We sat at their station undock for >>4<< hours Originally by: RedSplat The Forum moderation Software known as Mitnal became self aware. CCP had no choice but to shut it down.
Ferocious FeAr THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 18:34:00 - [97] It's pretty simple. You can war dec us and we will give you fights, no matter the gang size. I'm sure we made that clear against EVE uni. Now if I put my corp in t1 frigates the entire week our efficiency would have been higher. I should have right? To impress all the online e-thugs and those who lack the social life outside an internet game. As for you, Mr. Lark, lrn2hyp tbh. The difference between us and others are is that we actually undock and fight. Not make excuses "We don't have enough online, come back when we have more" That seems to be a popular theme these days. I remember when people actually played this game for fun and not propaganda. __________________ Built like a Rokh
Ame Sonoda Caldari Requiem of the Sinner	Posted - 2009.09.01 18:45:00 - [98] ...and so it begins.
RedSplat Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.09.01 19:09:00 - [99] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr To impress all the online e-thugs and those who lack the social life outside an internet game Originally by: Virus Potage We sat at their station undock for 4 hours I love TFS and their big mouth. Some people play this game for the propaganda, the intrigue and the disreputable sides of any conflict. QQ more Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.09.01 19:49:00 - [100] Anyway, I'm glad you stuck it out and actually fought, unlike countless other corps that wardec the EUNI. Though being who you are you get a lot more criticism just because of how much of an Ego you like to sport around. Other than that, good job fighting. But don't spam the thread with reasons on how you came out on top, or won in some way. You didn't, you lost. But you fought, and I can at least say I'd fight you if I could enter highsec and have any equal footing skill wise. ________________________________________________ My Music Posts slowly rising in quality to the decline of my dignity.

GENERICACHURANUMBER02973	Posted - 2009.09.01 19:53:00 - [101] Originally by: ViRUS Pottage I will explain what happened in this fight. We went to their home system expecting a fight. Scouts tell us they have about 5 BB's and several scorps (I can't remember the exact numbers nor do I care). We sat at their station undock for >>4<< hours while they continue to undock small stuff and instawarp out. We decided to align to the gate thinking that their scouts would come to the station thinking "they are leaving guys catch them". We were wrong. They all warped to the gate and jumped. That gate they were now camping was the ONLY way out. We had been in their system with no action for over 4 hours, so we get on the gate and vent kicks off with: "LETS DO IT" "NO ITS SUICIDE" "LOL WHO CARES" "I CARE YOU **" "** YOU" etc until we all get bored out of our minds. Its now like 4am for the UK guys and we just want to go to bed. Logging off in their system would mean we would be stuck and camped in all day, so FC gave the order to jump. We knew it was suicide. Did we care? We waited 4 damned hours for a fight and this was it, even if it wasn't in our favour. So we jumped, I personally was perma jammed with 2 overloaded ECCM and didn't lock a thing all fight. We died, but took a few with us. Haha. You guys fail so hard. You walked into a dead end pocket with a regional gate being the only way out, in a CR RR BS gang inexplicably without MWDs. You're trying to rationalize your failure by telling yourselves that you waited for four hours with no action? Of course you waited for four hours with no action, Eve-Uni had you right where they wanted you for four hours and there was nothing you could do about it. For four hours, Eve University controlled your game, and then they **d your entire fail RR fleet. Originally by:** ViRUS Pottage Originally by: Xzibit v2 Originally by: Lexa Hellfury Originally by: Xzibit v2 So you really mean it was terrible fits and FCing? Most of the fits are decent (aside from the lack of MWDs, which is acceptable in some situations). Tbh, I would say it had more to do with the blob, but yes, bad fits and bad decisions certainly played a factor. PS - Is that you Shigsy? I hear scouting lets you avoid being blobbed to death. We did scout them. We knew they were there. We knew jumping in was suicide. Who cares? It's pixels. As for the failfits. The Arbitrator is a 2 month old alt. The rest of the ships were quick 'ooh a gang let me fit what I have in my hangar to come along' fits. RR BS with no MWD = fail. Seriously, what the **** were you guys thinking? Fitting your RR BS with "oh a gang let me fit what I have in my hangar to come along" = fail. Have your people never run an RR BS gang before? Do you even understand the premise of an RR BS gang, or the mechanics which make it viable as a strategy? You guys are a bunch of scrubs.
Ferocious FeAr THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 20:07:00 - [102] The setup is proven to work, you just have to play on your terms. I've lost one in 0.0 that tanked 440k before it popped. I should have survived if I didn't burn out my thermal hardener. Yes, it fails. __________________ Built like a Rokh
Larkonis TrassIer Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.09.01 20:15:00 - [103] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr The setup is proven to work, you just have to play on your terms. I've lost one in 0.0 that tanked 440k before it popped. I should have survived if I didn't burn out my thermal hardener. Yes, it fails. Cool story bro. Let me guess, you were engaged while your gang was all at 0 from each other, had one another pre locked etc etc. Face it Fear, without your precious Pirate implants you and your brosefs aren't up to much. You can't improvise, you can't adapt, you can't out think your opponents. Your conduct in game and on the forums reminds me of an enraged, brutish guerilla trying to bash his way through life with brute force and ignorance. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator
xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 BOUNTY. HUNTER. MINING. EXSPLORATION. CORPORATION.	Posted - 2009.09.01 20:26:00 - [104] gorilla not guerilla m8 LEARN 2 TYPE , UR SUPPOSED TO BE CSM AND U CANT EVEN TYPE PROPERLY
GENERICACHURANUMBER02973	Posted - 2009.09.01 20:26:00 - [105] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr The setup is proven to work, you just have to play on your terms. I've lost one in 0.0 that tanked 440k before it popped. I should have survived if I didn't burn out my thermal hardener. Yes, it fails. I take it that in this scenario your gang didn't ever have to re approach a gate to manage RR range, never had to move anywhere while maintaining RR range, never had to burn out of a bubble while managing RR range, never had to burn to a fail sieged dread 100km off of the gate while maintaining RR range..... etc. etc. etc. Yes, it fails. Apparently you also fail, on a profound personal level. Playing on your terms? You guys walked into an obvious trap. By your own admission - and by this I refer to the highly specific fairy-tale "your terms" battle conditions which you completely ignored and compromised in this situation - your gang was absolutely and completely ****ing worthless as soon as you jumped that dead-end regional gate. Your scrub RR BS fleet is good for one thing, and one thing only: camping a gate or a station at 0 km. Any other engagement "isn't your terms" though, so I guess that makes it A.O.K. Keep posting, I predict you guys are going to get a whole slew of wardecs from opportunists looking for some easy lol kills. Easy kills here folks, easy kills.
GENERICACHURANUMBER02973	Posted - 2009.09.01 20:27:00 - [106] Edited by: GENERICACHURANUMBER02973 on 01/09/2009 20:30:22 ...
Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.09.01 20:38:00 - [107] Originally by: GENERICACHURANUMBER02973 Your scrub RR BS fleet is good for one thing, and one thing only: camping a gate at 0 km. Easy kills here folks, easy kills. And they still lost ________________________________________________ My Music Posts slowly rising in quality to the decline of my dignity.
Ferocious FeAr THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 20:43:00 - [108] I find it funny how you guys talk about pvp when you would never engage the odds we do day in and day out. As for adapting, we can fit MWD but have you attempted to roam through 0.0 without your precious nano's? Try going into MM space and tell me if you can get out alive without nanos, oh and logging off doesn't count. I do enjoy the free advertisement, keep it coming girls. __________________ Built like a Rokh
Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.09.01 20:47:00 - [109] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr I find it funny how you guys talk about pvp when you would never engage the odds we do day in and day out. As for adapting, we can fit MWD but have you attempted to roam through 0.0 without your precious nano's? Try going into MM space and tell me if you can get out alive without nanos, oh and logging off doesn't count. I do enjoy the free advertisement, keep it coming girls. I've said it, you put up a fight, that's great. But that's like saying the kid with 0 boxing skills that refuses to learn keeps trying to take on bigger opponents, and then tells the whole class that everyone is afraid of him. I do enjoy the free chestbeating, keep it coming. ________________________________________________ My Music Posts slowly rising in quality to the decline of my dignity.
ViRUS Pottage Caldari THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 20:51:00 - [110] Most of the ones doing the smack can't even post with their main _________ Originally by: CCP Taera May I have your stuff?

GENERICACHURANUMBER02973	Posted - 2009.09.01 20:57:00 - [111] Originally by: ViRUS Pottage Most of the ones doing the smack can't even post with their main My main is in your corp
Larkonis TrassIer Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.09.01 20:57:00 - [112] Originally by: ViRUS Pottage Most of the ones doing the smack can't even post with their main There's a difference between can't and won't dawg Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator
debbie harrio	Posted - 2009.09.01 20:57:00 - [113] That typhoon is a total fail fit RR BS lol..... shame being they make a great RR BS as well.
Ferocious FeAr THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 20:59:00 - [114] Originally by: GENERICACHURANUMBER02973 Originally by: ViRUS Pottage Most of the ones doing the smack can't even post with their main My main is in your corp My main is in your mains corp with a main idea of being cool. Become scared. Right now. __________________ Built like a Rokh
Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:03:00 - [115] Originally by: ViRUS Pottage Most of the ones doing the smack can't even post with their main I know I'm not well known (probably because I don't pull the **** your corp tries to justify to us) but it's not hard to figure my main out, and get sooper angry! ________________________________________________ My Music Posts slowly rising in quality to the decline of my dignity.
Ferocious FeAr THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:09:00 - [116] Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest Originally by: ViRUS Pottage Most of the ones doing the smack can't even post with their main I know I'm not well known (probably because I don't pull the **** your corp tries to justify to us) but it's not hard to figure my main out, and get sooper angry! Cool. Anything more to say? How about tomorrows weather and investment tips? __________________ Built like a Rokh
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:12:00 - [117] Quote: Other factors you need to consider: - Did you have to adjust your style of gaming - Did you lose members - Did you gain members (suspend recruitment?) missed one... - Did you have fun
RedSplat Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:14:00 - [118] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Cool. Anything more to say? How about tomorrows weather and investment tips? Dont ever invest in the stockmarket and bring the same judgement to it that you do to this game. Keep posting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Arwen Tyler	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:19:00 - [119] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Cool. Anything more to say? How about tomorrows weather and investment tips? Tomorrows weather is more **** storm of lol'ing at you lot and the investment tip is mwd's and decent RR fits.
Yakov Draken Minmatar Tides Of War	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:21:00 - [120] Edited by: Yakov Draken on 01/09/2009 21:22:02 The bit I still don't get is the no MWD's on RR BS's? The explanations seem to come down "we did it, it didn't work, it wasn't the wrong thing to do and we would do it again!"

Xzibit v2	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:25:00 - [121] Originally by: Yakov Draken Edited by: Yakov Draken on 01/09/2009 21:22:02 The bit I still don't get is the no MWD's on RR BS's? The explanations seem to come down "we did it, it didn't work, it wasn't the wrong thing to do and we would do it again!" Everyone enjoys comedy killmails.
debbie harrio	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:28:00 - [122] Originally by: Yakov Draken Edited by: Yakov Draken on 01/09/2009 21:22:02 The bit I still don't get is the no MWD's on RR BS's? The explanations seem to come down "we did it, it didn't work, it wasn't the wrong thing to do and we would do it again!" Imagine the frozen village pond at yuletide and all the fat people have go at skating at the same time..............
Project 001	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:31:00 - [123] From what I can tell of the killboard, over 1/3 of your "173 kills" seem to be against noob frigates. Not basic t1 frigates, the actual noob starter ship. Way to go.
Xzibit v2	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:31:00 - [124] Originally by: Project 001 From what I can tell of the killboard, over 1/3 of your "173 kills" seem to be against noob frigates. Not basic t1 frigates, the actual noob starter ship. Way to go. BUT OMG THEY KILLED SO MANY SHIPS.
Ferocious FeAr THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:35:00 - [125] Originally by: Xzibit v2 Originally by: Project 001 From what I can tell of the killboard, over 1/3 of your "173 kills" seem to be against noob frigates. Not basic t1 frigates, the actual noob starter ship. Way to go. BUT OMG THEY KILLED SO MANY SHIPS. umad? __________________ Built like a Rokh
ViRUS Pottage Caldari THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:36:00 - [126] Originally by: Xzibit v2 Originally by: Project 001 From what I can tell of the killboard, over 1/3 of your "173 kills" seem to be against noob frigates. Not basic t1 frigates, the actual noob starter ship. Way to go. BUT OMG THEY KILLED SO MANY SHIPS. umad? _________ Originally by: CCP Taera May I have your stuff?
cybergurl Caldari THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:37:00 - [127] Edited by: cybergurl on 01/09/2009 21:39:12 Edited by: cybergurl on 01/09/2009 21:38:53 Edited by: cybergurl on 01/09/2009 21:38:27 Quote: Originally by: Project 001 From what I can tell of the killboard, over 1/3 of your "173 kills" seem to be against noob frigates. Not basic t1 frigates, the actual noob starter ship. Way to go. Quote: BUT OMG THEY KILLED SO MANY SHIPS. umad?
Drahkar THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:38:00 - [128] Originally by: Xzibit v2 Originally by: Project 001 From what I can tell of the killboard, over 1/3 of your "173 kills" seem to be against noob frigates. Not basic t1 frigates, the actual noob starter ship. Way to go. BUT OMG THEY KILLED SO MANY SHIPS. u mad?
ViRUS Pottage Caldari THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:40:00 - [129] Edited by: ViRUS Pottage on 01/09/2009 21:40:11 Originally by: cybergurl Edited by: cybergurl on 01/09/2009 21:39:12 Edited by: cybergurl on 01/09/2009 21:38:53 Edited by: cybergurl on 01/09/2009 21:38:27 Quote: Originally by: Project 001 From what I can tell of the killboard, over 1/3 of your "173 kills" seem to be against noob frigates. Not basic t1 frigates, the actual noob starter ship. Way to go. Quote: BUT OMG THEY KILLED SO MANY SHIPS. umad? lern2umad _________ Originally by: CCP Taera May I have your stuff?
Xzibit v2	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:42:00 - [130] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Originally by: Xzibit v2 Originally by: Project 001 From what I can tell of the killboard, over 1/3 of your "173 kills" seem to be against noob frigates. Not basic t1 frigates, the actual noob starter ship. Way to go. BUT OMG THEY KILLED SO MANY SHIPS. umad? ru?

Chris Camcer	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:43:00 - [131] Originally by: Xzibit v2 Originally by: Project 001 From what I can tell of the killboard, over 1/3 of your "173 kills" seem to be against noob frigates. Not basic t1 frigates, the actual noob starter ship. Way to go. BUT OMG THEY KILLED SO MANY SHIPS. umad?
croakroach Gallente THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:44:00 - [132] Originally by: Xzibit v2 Originally by: Project 001 From what I can tell of the killboard, over 1/3 of your "173 kills" seem to be against noob frigates. Not basic t1 frigates, the actual noob starter ship. Way to go. BUT OMG THEY KILLED SO MANY SHIPS. umad? mr 1 day old wussy alt? At least post with your main.
jimmyjam Gallente Sinner Among Saints Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:59:00 - [133] just checking in to rub my ball sac all over the thread.
Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.09.01 22:30:00 - [134] Originally by: Jimer Lins Pilot A: "How many T1 Frigates are out there?" Pilot B: looks out window of ship "All of them, I think." Pilot A: .... I lol'd irl "You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.09.01 23:09:00 - [135] It's like they have a chip in their head that tells them about posts against them. Must be part of their implants they wouldn't risk in 0.0 ________________________________________________ My Music Posts slowly rising in quality to the decline of my dignity.
Bodhisattvas V I R I I	Posted - 2009.09.01 23:38:00 - [136] Originally by: Xzibit v2 http://thefinalstand.org/eve/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=31 Efficiency:33.12% Victory to EVE University - well done. So STAND, what's your excuse for losing to the newbies of eve? well done? monkey nuts! just a bunch of ecm slappers
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2009.09.02 00:01:00 - [137] Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer Originally by: Lexa Hellfury I mean, really, you couldn't figure it out for yourself? Yo dawg I heard jumping an RR gang without MWDs into a hostile fleet on a regional gate was a good idea.
Fig Jam	Posted - 2009.09.02 00:22:00 - [138] Originally by: RedSplat Even on a regional gate. 6-7 KM distance from a single overloaded MWD cycle before you get scrammed + Range of T2 RR mod BTW, it's a constellation gate for all you people that can't read a map. Red, I would have thought you would know how large those gates are and how short the range of the large RR mods is. Even with a 10km travel before being stopped you are still likely to be well out of range of most of your gang.
RedSplat Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.09.02 01:14:00 - [139] Originally by: Fig Jam Red, I would have thought you would know how large those gates are and how short the range of the large RR mods is. Even with a 10km travel before being stopped you are still likely to be well out of range of most of your gang. A good FC will pick an anchor point for the gang after jumping in that means as much of the gang as possible is in RR range. Even on a Regional gate. Try it. I promise you its better than not being able to bring any RR to bear; and ,inevibitably, thanks to random placement around the gate if your gang size is rather small you can expect some members to be **ed. When you decide to wardec someone you make the best judgements as an FC you can. Someone in TFS ed up, end of. Everyone who decided to run an RR gang wihtout MWD's ed up also. Originally by:** CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2009.09.02 01:15:00 - [140] Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer It is perfectly plausable to deal with the uni as part of a protracted campaign. Once you start doing harm this way, you become the target of a rather smartly conducted forum propaganda war, which if you happen to try and reason against becomes a very very nasty experience I wouldn't wish anyone to go through, and has nothing to do with the game whatsoever. Best thing would probably be to ignore the forums altogether and just focus on killing them. But moving about in large BS gangs won't work very well. Try with individual fast high-dmg ships with lot of scouting, worked quite well.

Ninja Troll	Posted - 2009.09.02 03:41:00 - [141] Originally by: Bodhisattvas Originally by: Xzibit v2 http://thefinalstand.org/eve/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=31 Efficiency:33.12% Victory to EVE University - well done. So STAND, what's your excuse for losing to the newbies of eve? well done? monkey nuts! just a bunch of ecm slappers I see this thread has now turned into an offline version of nullsec alliance channels.
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.02 04:56:00 - [142] Originally by: jimmyjam just checking in to rub my ball sac all over the thread. This thread has run its course ... kill it please Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.09.02 05:08:00 - [143] Originally by: The PitBoss Originally by: jimmyjam just checking in to rub my ball sac all over the thread. This thread has run its course ... kill it please Thanks.. The only reason I came in here was because I saw you had posted, and I thought to myself... The PitBoss (space between the and pitboss) always has good things to say, i'll go check that post out.. Now im going to be scared for life... What have I been up to?
Fig Jam	Posted - 2009.09.02 06:15:00 - [144] Originally by: Lana Torrin Now im going to be scared for life... Nothing to be scared of here... just a bunch of people attempting to take the **** out of another bunch of people.
Harotak THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.09.02 06:46:00 - [145] Edited by: Harotak on 02/09/2009 06:45:51 It was still a fun fight even though we got slaughtered. We knew what would happen when we jumped into them, so it just became a question of how many we would take with us. We spent the better part of a week trying to get them to engage us without us without needing to jump through a gate first, but they never would, even with 100+ pilots in their gang. We bought those domis for that wardec, so when it became apparent that we wouldnt get the fight we wanted, we figured that we might as well have some fun getting them blown up. Mission accomplished.
Xzibit v2	Posted - 2009.09.02 14:29:00 - [146] Originally by: The PitBoss Originally by: jimmyjam just checking in to rub my ball sac all over the thread. This thread has run its course ... kill it please Please dont, the thread is only beginning to deliver.
Kikki Di'je Lay Low	Posted - 2009.09.02 17:23:00 - [147] TFS is horrible. Always has been. Fear, you still flying with that hussie from a few months ago? I forget her name, but you two always sang horrible songs together on vent.
Nexus Kinnon Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.09.02 19:48:00 - [148] tfs does what they do well they just don't do very much Originally by: Queue K'Umber It is unseemly when a player becomes a self-congratulatory poastaholic
Vaerk One Amarr Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.09.02 23:06:00 - [149] Originally by: lucifers widow Originally by: croakroach What you fail to understand is that when your enemy refuses to engage and sits fully setup the other side of a gate for 2 hours, sometimes you have to say @#$# it and give it a shot anyway. We did, we killed 13 lost 15 in a 12 vs 55 match against; not to shabby? you then make a newb mistake instead and jump in youreselves. man people take this game seriously, they had a fun fight at the expense of their ships. gee, what a ****ing crime.
irion felpamy Minmatar HellJumpers Corp Indecisive Certainty	Posted - 2009.09.03 10:01:00 - [150] Originally by: Vrabac Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer It is perfectly plausable to deal with the uni as part of a protracted campaign. Once you start doing harm this way, you become the target of a rather smartly conducted forum propaganda war, which if you happen to try and reason against becomes a very very nasty experience I wouldn't wish anyone to go through, and has nothing to do with the game whatsoever. Best thing would probably be to ignore the forums altogether and just focus on killing them. But moving about in large BS gangs won't work very well. Try with individual fast high-dmg ships with lot of scouting, worked quite well. I just checked the TOS and propaganda is indeed a violation you should petition. Make sure to let them know exactly how upset you are. Its also totaly aginst the spirit of the game and a big E-honour no no.



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