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Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.09.02 14:51:00 - [61] Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Tippia Plunking down a POS isn't exactly "settling" This. Then you might as well give the W-space moons minerals, since you don't seem to be against POS's being anchored any more. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2009.09.02 14:58:00 - [62] Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Autobot Amarr I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Quote: Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. No. Bookmarking this. Thank you so much for posting it. It will come in handy when dealing with these stupid threads. _____________________________________________ -Sketch, Certified Pharmacist Need a Boost?
aka Ishur Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.09.02 15:03:00 - [63] Edited by: aka Ishur on 02/09/2009 15:03:11 Originally by: XXSketchxx Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Autobot Amarr I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Quote: Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. No. Bookmarking this. Thank you so much for posting it. It will come in handy when dealing with these stupid threads. Amen
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2009.09.02 15:04:00 - [64] Edited by: XXSketchxx on 02/09/2009 15:04:07 Originally by: Blane Xero Then you might as well give the W-space moons minerals, since you don't seem to be against POS's being anchored any more. Yes because the sole purpose of a POS is for moon mining . Or not. Try these on for size: staging, ore refining, reactions, research, reverse engineering, loot storage, safety zone... K? _____________________________________________ -Sketch, Certified Pharmacist Need a Boost?
Takon Orlani Caldari Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.09.02 15:07:00 - [65] Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert This is a bad idea and you should feel bad about posting a thread on it. ROWDY WANTS YOU!!
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2009.09.02 15:40:00 - [66] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Tippia Plunking down a POS isn't exactly "settling" This. Then you might as well give the W-space moons minerals, since you don't seem to be against POS's being anchored any more. not before they start making rr fleets of sleeper battleships that drop no loot/salvage attack pos's.
Neriel Odershank	Posted - 2009.09.02 15:57:00 - [67] Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Autobot Amarr I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Quote: Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. No. I love Abathur.
Gorsun Hitari	Posted - 2009.09.02 17:32:00 - [68] Originally by: CCP Abathur Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Sounds like we might see random fleets of sleeper carriers and dreads (or something worse) come out of hiding to nuke POS. I hope so, that would be great!
aka Ishur Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.09.02 18:06:00 - [69] Originally by: Gorsun Hitari Originally by: CCP Abathur Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Sounds like we might see random fleets of sleeper carriers and dreads (or something worse) come out of hiding to nuke POS. I hope so, that would be great! How the hell did you come to that conclusion? Not gonna happen. For the simple reason that while the big corps will be able to fight off any sleeper attack, the small corps won't.
Aethrwolf Caldari Home for Wayward Gamers	Posted - 2009.09.02 18:19:00 - [70] Originally by: aka Ishur Originally by: Gorsun Hitari Originally by: CCP Abathur Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Sounds like we might see random fleets of sleeper carriers and dreads (or something worse) come out of hiding to nuke POS. I hope so, that would be great! How the hell did you come to that conclusion? Not gonna happen. For the simple reason that while the big corps will be able to fight off any sleeper attack, the small corps won't. Here's an evil thought.. maybe CCP A:READY implemented something based on how long a pos is up and no one has actually tripped the timer yet? They dont HAVE to tell us everything that goes into a patch/expansion, though they do seem to do that most of the time. Hidden features can be really cool, and really annoying, too. Absolutely everything is subjective.
Efdi The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.09.02 18:24:00 - [71] Originally by: aka Ishur Originally by: Gorsun Hitari Originally by: CCP Abathur Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Sounds like we might see random fleets of sleeper carriers and dreads (or something worse) come out of hiding to nuke POS. I hope so, that would be great! How the hell did you come to that conclusion? Not gonna happen. For the simple reason that while the big corps will be able to fight off any sleeper attack, the small corps won't. idgi; big corps can do things small corps can't, how is this different from the rest of eve?
aka Ishur Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.09.02 18:25:00 - [72] 1) Six months of a timer ticking and nothing happened yet? 2) Still I would be staggered if it ever happened for the reason I mentioned above.
Aethrwolf Caldari Home for Wayward Gamers	Posted - 2009.09.02 18:27:00 - [73] Just a thought.. not that I really think its there. Honestly if CCP is gonna do anything, I think it would be more like the devs logging in as Sleepers and attacking a POS themselves. Absolutely everything is subjective.
aka Ishur Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.09.02 18:33:00 - [74] Now that would be cool. No super-weaps or anything, just a ccp gang of sleeper ships.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2009.09.02 20:24:00 - [75] Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Autobot Amarr I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Quote: Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. No. /Thread -- Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
Blusick	Posted - 2009.09.02 21:54:00 - [76] I love that hardly any of the responses in this topic had nothing more behind them than an opinionated NO. Rational? WTF is that, its secondary in a lot of cases. I did note some folks that did give rational opinions. My opinion, unless someone Fixes! the POS so that internal theft or theivery can be fixed properly, stations would be a welcome sight. Keeping everyones possessions seperate from each other and not hearing the whining that comes every week that something is missing. SO fix the POS Corp Hanger, Ship Maintenance array, or the Ship Assembly arrays to allow for inventory control per player not just per tab. Even in 0.0 null sec space this is a pain. A 2nd thought. WHY NOT i cant even imagine what it would take in brute work to accomplish this herculen task. The ore alone to get into the hole boggles the mind, Logistically speaking. 3rdly Perhaps a POS thats acts more like a station but is as vulnerable as a pos. Do i smell more skills to have a Tech 2 POS. Come on a Flat no? lets try to help manage pos life better =)for all. . I would be inclined to believe this is why folks want stations in WH space and not to have a Brick to shoot at.
Manu Hermanus FaDoyToy	Posted - 2009.09.02 21:58:00 - [77] Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Autobot Amarr I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Quote: Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. No. Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Tippia Plunking down a POS isn't exactly "settling" This. .... I think I love you (in the not gay way)
Blusick	Posted - 2009.09.02 22:19:00 - [78] just to my point last post. " I love ya" who? the CCP dev ? Autobot Amarr? who? what? opinion why you love who you love. It guess i prefer more than one sentence repsonses since iam not paying 0.15 cents a word i feel i can articulate a response. I am sure it helps CCP to get real opinions and not just the standard YARRRRRRRRRRrrrrr.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.09.03 01:08:00 - [79] I think it would be very cool if sleepers started following people back out of wormhole systems. Though I would not like losing a ship to it, it could be rather exciting that day when I undock and discover the station is under attack because some noob thought he could attack a sleeper site, and then after escaping runs back to k-space and tries to dock. And it would be comical to see someone in a Domi venting plasma at the docking ring shouting "RUN!" in local whilst very large red crosses start appearing in the overview. Even the noobs and carebears would love that.
Taedrin Gallente The Space Bar South The Compass	Posted - 2009.09.03 01:26:00 - [80] Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer I think it would be very cool if sleepers started following people back out of wormhole systems. Though I would not like losing a ship to it, it could be rather exciting that day when I undock and discover the station is under attack because some noob thought he could attack a sleeper site, and then after escaping runs back to k-space and tries to dock. And it would be comical to see someone in a Domi venting plasma at the docking ring shouting "RUN!" in local whilst very large red crosses start appearing in the overview. Even the noobs and carebears would love that. I can imagine it now - "EVERYONE RUN, SLEEPER TRAIN TO 4-4!"
Ztagger Lee	Posted - 2009.09.03 01:42:00 - [81] Actually, most who permanently populate ws... like my main and friends since day one in a class five... couldn't care less about sov. Just remove the sov requirements from outposts n such, give some player control over static wormholes, and let us mine moons. At that point the big alliance guys who don't want us to have our own 'private dyspro' moons and are scared to death of what ws is going to become will be the only ones who think 'colonizing' ws is bad. Its time the big alliances got some competition from folks who don't have/want thousands of whining pownage turds as members.
Verlaine Glariant	Posted - 2009.09.03 02:43:00 - [82] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Tippia Plunking down a POS isn't exactly "settling" This. Many corps do much more than just plunk a POS. They plunk two. or three. To the OP: pwnd. badly
aetherguy881 Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.03 03:06:00 - [83] Originally by: CCP Abathur Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Quote: Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. No. Win! WH sovereignty just wouldn't feel like a WH. Remember, WH's are not Low/Null sec, they're WH's, they're unknown. The most sovereignty is how much security the occupants wish to apply. ------------------- Always remember this about EVE: Life is cheap, or 15 bucks a month.
Ztagger Lee	Posted - 2009.09.03 03:48:00 - [84] Absolutely... we in ws don't want sov. Just remove the sov requirements for constructions. While you are at it CCP you should let us moon mine too. The only reason we don't have it is because back when ws first appeared there was no one to represent wormhole residents. The CSM reps from the big alliances didn't want us to have our own 'private dyspro moons'.... or so the argument went... even though they ALREADY HAVE their own private dyspro moons. They are simply wetting their pants with fear over the potential of wormhole space for people they can't control and easily grief. We already build caps and such out here and this is supposed to be sandbox. Let the chips fall where they may CCP. Give us the same things the whiners have.
Norahb	Posted - 2009.09.03 04:47:00 - [85] Edited by: Norahb on 03/09/2009 04:50:27 To allow sovereignty in wormhole space and or create control over when wormholes spawn would be to nullify it's whole purpose and make it just like null sec . In weeks the big Alliances would be moving in to wormholes claiming sov locking down wormholes and kicking you out . To allow moon mining in wormholes with their regular direct high sec access would effectively make null sec useless . Then you would see all these wealthy null sec Alliances who see their cash flows cut in half make the only logical decision . Which is to move large fleets into wormholes through high mass budget holes in null sec into w-space and go hole to hole killing everything they see including your PoS . If you want to destroy what wormholes are then I say allow sov and moon mining .
Ztagger Lee	Posted - 2009.09.03 05:03:00 - [86] First... we don't want sov... jus sov requirements removed. That gives us an even playing field in that regard. Second... If done right moon distribution and hole mass budgets will prevent exactly what you are talking about. Third... Large alliances should not be able to monopolize null sec. This would make them have to work for it again. Fourth... Established ws groups with stations and capitals won't go down as easily as you imply. Fifth... This is a sandbox game. There is no reason to dissalow these mechanics other than political. Let the chips fall where they may. Fifth... You sound like one of those big alliance trolls trying to neuter ws.
Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.09.03 06:15:00 - [87] Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Autobot Amarr I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... /me foresees giant Sleeper raids on Wormhole POSes. HELL YES! ----- Why doesn't anyone ever read the forums before posting? EVE is a game of adaptation and planning. Adapt or die.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.09.03 06:44:00 - [88] Originally by: Ztagger Lee First... we don't want sov... jus sov requirements removed. That gives us an even playing field in that regard. No it doesn't. That would be favoring you, since it removes requirement from you that others will have to live with. That would be giving you an unfair advantage. Originally by: Ztagger Lee Second... If done right moon distribution and hole mass budgets will prevent exactly what you are talking about. How will you prevent alliance control? You either allow huge fleets to use wormholes, grant immunity to people already owning the system by limiting the mass allowance or make sure the systems aren't worth the effort and fighting(current system). Originally by: Ztagger Lee Third... Large alliances should not be able to monopolize null sec. This would make them have to work for it again. They should be able to control large chunks of it, but agreed, it should be made so that little operators can't be kept out so easily. Originally by: Ztagger Lee Fourth... Established ws groups with stations and capitals won't go down as easily as you imply. And that is the problem. Either you allow huge fleets to attack and let blobs walk over your little enterprise or the defender has effective immunity from attacks. Giving the monopoly of the systems to the first group to settle them is bad gamedesign. Or did it stop bothering you, since you saw that such mechanics would favor you this time. Originally by: Ztagger Lee Fifth... This is a sandbox game. There is no reason to dissalow these mechanics other than political. Let the chips fall where they may. Then allow all operators to take control of wormhole space, big alliances with their cap fleets included. It is a sandbox, so only reason to disallow this mechanic is political. Let the chips fall where they may. Originally by: Ztagger Lee Fifth... You sound like one of those big alliance trolls trying to neuter ws. Can't even count to six. Why am I not surprised? I can agree the current system needs chances, but at least the big alliances had to organize and fight for their "private dyspro moons". You just want the same with no fighting or work and want to bypass existing game mechanics to help you do it. Those CSM members must be so biased not to support such great ideas.
Ztagger Lee	Posted - 2009.09.03 07:41:00 - [89] Not one of your rebuttals has a shred of reason why any of this can't be done with balance and the proper mechanics. Also... aside from the fact that done right it would still be something that had to be defended and worked for I doubt you actually know squat about ws simply because of your assumption that we don't fight, work hard, and organize for what we get in ws. I'm really pretty tired of big alliance patsies pandering bs every chance they get. The fact is that ws is viable on all points while still maintaining game balance. What needs to be fixed in the 'system' is the impunity with which big alliances are able to discriminate and dominate. Go back to your alliance bosses and tell m we don't buy that crap anymore. Too many of us have lived here for too long. Your idiot songs are getting old. Hope to cya and your alliance buddies n the hole someday.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.09.03 09:48:00 - [90] Originally by: Myra2007 Source What gives? POS needs fuel. You can't mine fuel in w-space, which means you cannot be self-sufficient, ergo you can't actually "settle" there. I doubt you'll be able to convince the local NPCs to sell you mechanical parts and enriched uranium, either. [Aussie players: join channel ANZAC]

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