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Magorath
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Posted - 2004.10.19 15:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Ogodai John
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Believe it or not...
The only thing FA wanta.. are isk..
Wow. How mean.
I am sure your alliance tries to avoid ISK as good as you can.
No really, thats a good point.
I hope for you that the StA PVP Squad is better than your Forum Squad... 
I think what he was trying to say FA didn't give two cents what was happeneing in the region as long as they controlled the refining station and got a cut of everything that was being refined.
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Magorath
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Posted - 2004.10.19 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ogodai John
Originally by: Sternburg Export
Believe it or not...
The only thing FA wanta.. are isk..
Wow. How mean.
I am sure your alliance tries to avoid ISK as good as you can.
No really, thats a good point.
I hope for you that the StA PVP Squad is better than your Forum Squad...
I think what he was trying to say FA didn't give two cents what was happeneing in the region as long as they controlled the refining station and got a cut of everything that was being refined.
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Gzek
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Posted - 2004.10.19 15:48:00 -
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Seriously... This pro-FA propaganda is sickening.
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Gzek
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Posted - 2004.10.19 15:48:00 -
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Seriously... This pro-FA propaganda is sickening.
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Ulthar
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Posted - 2004.10.19 16:08:00 -
[95]
Edited by: Ulthar on 19/10/2004 16:11:32
Hmmm if I have to buy a pass to mine there, it isn't "free" space in my book. From the rules they just enacted (before getting curbstomped) it certainly looked like they were going to be restricting access. From a historical perspective, it looks like it will be very easy for them to continue to revise the term "pirate" to make it easy to exclude nonmembers, one small category at a time. Locked someone else? Then you're a pirate. Accidentally popped a rock? Then you're a pirate. After all, the term "piracy" (at least in the traditional sense) referred to any crime commited where the Lord of the Admiralty had jurisdiction. So as long as they continue passing laws, they can exclude more people as pirates.
Let's face it, no well-organized group can police a territory and still call it "free" space. The minute they start excluding people it is no longer "free." The minute they declare that certain others will be KOS it is no longer "free." And the minute they start charging for mining permits it is most certainly no longer "free."
I'm not saying that they are being unreasonable. However, they need to give up the charade of the "free space" propaganda. They closed it by becoming active and declaring themselves the sole arbiters of right and wrong.
Ulthar
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Ulthar
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Posted - 2004.10.19 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Ulthar on 19/10/2004 16:11:32
Hmmm if I have to buy a pass to mine there, it isn't "free" space in my book. From the rules they just enacted (before getting curbstomped) it certainly looked like they were going to be restricting access. From a historical perspective, it looks like it will be very easy for them to continue to revise the term "pirate" to make it easy to exclude nonmembers, one small category at a time. Locked someone else? Then you're a pirate. Accidentally popped a rock? Then you're a pirate. After all, the term "piracy" (at least in the traditional sense) referred to any crime commited where the Lord of the Admiralty had jurisdiction. So as long as they continue passing laws, they can exclude more people as pirates.
Let's face it, no well-organized group can police a territory and still call it "free" space. The minute they start excluding people it is no longer "free." The minute they declare that certain others will be KOS it is no longer "free." And the minute they start charging for mining permits it is most certainly no longer "free."
I'm not saying that they are being unreasonable. However, they need to give up the charade of the "free space" propaganda. They closed it by becoming active and declaring themselves the sole arbiters of right and wrong.
Ulthar
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babyblue
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Posted - 2004.10.19 16:13:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Ulthar
Edited by: Ulthar on 19/10/2004 16:11:32
Hmmm if I have to buy a pass to mine there, it isn't "free" space in my book. From the rules they just enacted (before getting curbstomped) it certainly looked like they were going to be restricting access. From a historical perspective, it looks like it will be very easy for them to continue to revise the term "pirate" to make it easy to exclude nonmembers, one small category at a time. Locked someone else? Then you're a pirate. Accidentally popped a rock? Then you're a pirate. After all, the term "piracy" (at least in the traditional sense) referred to any crime commited where the Lord of the Admiralty had jurisdiction. So as long as they continue passing laws, they can exclude more people as pirates.
Let's face it, no well-organized group can police a territory and still call it "free" space. The minute they start excluding people it is no longer "free." The minute they declare that certain others will be KOS it is no longer "free." And the minute they start charging for mining permits it is most certainly no longer "free."
I'm not saying that they are being unreasonable. However, they need to give up the charade of the "free space" propaganda. They closed it by becoming active and declaring themselves the sole arbiters of right and wrong.
That depends on whether you think the term "free" should mean CA running rampage in CFS space. In my book, this is what your view of free would mean.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2004.10.19 16:13:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Ulthar
Edited by: Ulthar on 19/10/2004 16:11:32
Hmmm if I have to buy a pass to mine there, it isn't "free" space in my book. From the rules they just enacted (before getting curbstomped) it certainly looked like they were going to be restricting access. From a historical perspective, it looks like it will be very easy for them to continue to revise the term "pirate" to make it easy to exclude nonmembers, one small category at a time. Locked someone else? Then you're a pirate. Accidentally popped a rock? Then you're a pirate. After all, the term "piracy" (at least in the traditional sense) referred to any crime commited where the Lord of the Admiralty had jurisdiction. So as long as they continue passing laws, they can exclude more people as pirates.
Let's face it, no well-organized group can police a territory and still call it "free" space. The minute they start excluding people it is no longer "free." The minute they declare that certain others will be KOS it is no longer "free." And the minute they start charging for mining permits it is most certainly no longer "free."
I'm not saying that they are being unreasonable. However, they need to give up the charade of the "free space" propaganda. They closed it by becoming active and declaring themselves the sole arbiters of right and wrong.
That depends on whether you think the term "free" should mean CA running rampage in CFS space. In my book, this is what your view of free would mean.
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Kariss
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Posted - 2004.10.19 16:24:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Gzek
Seriously... This pro-FA propaganda is sickening.
I've seen posts from both sides that would make me cringe were I on one of them. You obviously can only see one side of that.
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Kariss
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Posted - 2004.10.19 16:24:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Gzek
Seriously... This pro-FA propaganda is sickening.
I've seen posts from both sides that would make me cringe were I on one of them. You obviously can only see one side of that.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.10.19 16:34:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Nitpicking..
Nevertheless CFS are hypocrites, letting KROM join... Abandoning their Free Space ideals... Going to war with their allies rather than at least attempting diplomacy first..
krom dropped their piracy etc to join, they r reformed.
if u bothered reading up on things u would be supporting cfs.
FA declared war, not CFS.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.10.19 16:34:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Nitpicking..
Nevertheless CFS are hypocrites, letting KROM join... Abandoning their Free Space ideals... Going to war with their allies rather than at least attempting diplomacy first..
krom dropped their piracy etc to join, they r reformed.
if u bothered reading up on things u would be supporting cfs.
FA declared war, not CFS.
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Ulthar
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Posted - 2004.10.19 21:26:00 -
[103]
Originally by: babyblue
That depends on whether you think the term "free" should mean CA running rampage in CFS space. In my book, this is what your view of free would mean.
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No, in fact I could live with the definition of "pirate" automatically including CA. However, I fully expect that in "free" space, as a "friend of CFS" I could plop a POS down at an untapped moon and go to town without being hindered.
However, there can be no "free" space sandwiched between CA and FA, not if there is to be any security. The insistance that this is still "free" space is propaganda and politics, not a reflection on reality at all. It may be "open" but it certainly isn't "free," and it smacks of deceitful marketing to continue to speak of it as such.
I have no problems with most of what CFS has put forth... so far. But I reserve the right to change my mind on that in the next few months, especially if their rules are amended with any frequency.
Ulthar
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Ulthar
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Posted - 2004.10.19 21:26:00 -
[104]
Originally by: babyblue
That depends on whether you think the term "free" should mean CA running rampage in CFS space. In my book, this is what your view of free would mean.
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No, in fact I could live with the definition of "pirate" automatically including CA. However, I fully expect that in "free" space, as a "friend of CFS" I could plop a POS down at an untapped moon and go to town without being hindered.
However, there can be no "free" space sandwiched between CA and FA, not if there is to be any security. The insistance that this is still "free" space is propaganda and politics, not a reflection on reality at all. It may be "open" but it certainly isn't "free," and it smacks of deceitful marketing to continue to speak of it as such.
I have no problems with most of what CFS has put forth... so far. But I reserve the right to change my mind on that in the next few months, especially if their rules are amended with any frequency.
Ulthar
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Mr Blonde
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Posted - 2004.10.19 22:22:00 -
[105]
Originally by: MAXSuicide
FA declared war, not CFS.
Yes CFS only broke a treaty and attacked several FA owned stations.
Shame on FA for reacting.
Shame!
(Go CFS propaganda) 
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Mr Blonde
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Posted - 2004.10.19 22:22:00 -
[106]
Originally by: MAXSuicide
FA declared war, not CFS.
Yes CFS only broke a treaty and attacked several FA owned stations.
Shame on FA for reacting.
Shame!
(Go CFS propaganda)
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XeQtR
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Posted - 2004.10.20 10:10:00 -
[107]
Quote:
All those "CA alts" who teased us about just such a thing were right after all. Funny
We weren't alts. 
We came in to TPAR and yelled at you in local for crying out loud. Time and time again even. That's not "alting"
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XeQtR
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Posted - 2004.10.20 10:10:00 -
[108]
Quote:
All those "CA alts" who teased us about just such a thing were right after all. Funny
We weren't alts.
We came in to TPAR and yelled at you in local for crying out loud. Time and time again even. That's not "alting"
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Jon Gray
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Posted - 2004.10.20 12:15:00 -
[109]
Forums are highly entertaining.
FA just keep bringing ships, thats all I ask for.
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Jon Gray
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Posted - 2004.10.20 12:15:00 -
[110]
Forums are highly entertaining.
FA just keep bringing ships, thats all I ask for.
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Loka
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Posted - 2004.10.20 12:16:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Jon Gray
Forums are highly entertaining.
FA just keep bringing ships, thats all I ask for.
Do you know what i hate ... seeing names like Jon Gray yellow on my scanners.
/me Man with a broken heart
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Loka
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Posted - 2004.10.20 12:16:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Jon Gray
Forums are highly entertaining.
FA just keep bringing ships, thats all I ask for.
Do you know what i hate ... seeing names like Jon Gray yellow on my scanners.
/me Man with a broken heart
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Jon Gray
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Posted - 2004.10.20 12:26:00 -
[113]
Haha, good thing i'm still blue then mate :D
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Jon Gray
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Posted - 2004.10.20 12:26:00 -
[114]
Haha, good thing i'm still blue then mate :D
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Loka
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Posted - 2004.10.20 12:37:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Jon Gray
Haha, good thing i'm still blue then mate :D
Oh lol :P Yeah read Imperium Technology. puh this was close :P
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Loka
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Posted - 2004.10.20 12:37:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Jon Gray
Haha, good thing i'm still blue then mate :D
Oh lol :P Yeah read Imperium Technology. puh this was close :P
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2004.10.20 12:49:00 -
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Props to CFS.
If FA get control, they won't necessarily close it.
If they can make more money from holding the stations and charging a refine tax, with an entrance fee (like for Fountain for NPCing), they'll do that... FA have no aims, nothing - except for making money, for no particular reason. At least people in say CA, CFS use their money for something fun.
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2004.10.20 12:49:00 -
[118]
Props to CFS.
If FA get control, they won't necessarily close it.
If they can make more money from holding the stations and charging a refine tax, with an entrance fee (like for Fountain for NPCing), they'll do that... FA have no aims, nothing - except for making money, for no particular reason. At least people in say CA, CFS use their money for something fun.
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Extravagant
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Posted - 2004.10.20 12:50:00 -
[119]
Originally by: The Enslaver
Props to CFS.
If FA get control, they won't necessarily close it.
If they can make more money from holding the stations and charging a refine tax, with an entrance fee (like for Fountain for NPCing), they'll do that... FA have no aims, nothing - except for making money, for no particular reason. At least people in say CA, CFS use their money for something fun.
Thank you for your highly uninformed analyse of the situation. Now go back to CA land where you DO have some credibility.
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Extravagant
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Posted - 2004.10.20 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: The Enslaver
Props to CFS.
If FA get control, they won't necessarily close it.
If they can make more money from holding the stations and charging a refine tax, with an entrance fee (like for Fountain for NPCing), they'll do that... FA have no aims, nothing - except for making money, for no particular reason. At least people in say CA, CFS use their money for something fun.
Thank you for your highly uninformed analyse of the situation. Now go back to CA land where you DO have some credibility.
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