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Reiisha	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:23:00 - [61] The CFS area was once a really cool place to live. Digitalcommunist made a good remark on that a while ago. The smuggler gates ruined it for them, pretty much..... However, with some work, i think it would be possible to go back to that peaceful time. As in, CFS actually controling their space. It's also still nice to see how people are saying "CFS is dead" now. People have been saying this for longer than there have been "PA is dead" claims, but the CFS is still there Gamersland.nl, DE site voor PC gaming!
Reiisha	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:23:00 - [62] The CFS area was once a really cool place to live. Digitalcommunist made a good remark on that a while ago. The smuggler gates ruined it for them, pretty much..... However, with some work, i think it would be possible to go back to that peaceful time. As in, CFS actually controling their space. It's also still nice to see how people are saying "CFS is dead" now. People have been saying this for longer than there have been "PA is dead" claims, but the CFS is still there Gamersland.nl, DE site voor PC gaming!
Andrew Redburn	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:25:00 - [63] Originally by: zepter Edited by: zepter on 19/10/2004 11:56:01 Are CFS hypocrites? They attacked FA under the premise that FA broke the deal they had with CFS, yet CFS can't even abide to its own charter. Should CFS attack itself now too? The reason for this is the 4 days old revised charter. Here are some quotes from the charter: Quote: Any person in CFS space shall be designed a friend of the Coalition and must fight to protect it. Quote: No entity will be allied/friend/neutral to any enemy of CFS. Quote: All whom roam in CFS space that do not come when called for will be required to purchase a weekly pass to be allowed to remain in CFS space. In the 3 regions affected by this charter there are a lot of corps neutral to FA, including a CFS corp (Xentech). How can you allow these corps to continue being neutral to your enemies when your chapter clearly says that they aren't allowed in CFS space? This would also mean that SA aren't welcome in CFS since they are neutral to FA. CFS, you're nothing but hypocrites! You expect FA to honour your contracts yet you can't honour them yourselves. SA is allied with CFS as well as with FA. We respect this and do not expect SA to take either side. Also corps having friends of any of our enmies in their bio/corp description ARE SHOT. Just like FA/FIX does shoot people having friends of UFS/StA/DSMA/CFS in their bio/corp description. Having now one corp deciding not to obey their own charter will have consequences. In fact XenTech will most likely have to leave CFS or fight with UFS Forces. But that is another story and totally up to CFS themselves. And to all that say we want to close CFS Space. THIS IS A LIE AND FAR AWAY FROM TRUTH. We want to keep it free for all, but we want assisstance for mining/using CFS Space resources. Wether you fight with us, pay through taxes while using our refineries or pay for a pass is up to YOU.
Andrew Redburn	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:25:00 - [64] Originally by: zepter Edited by: zepter on 19/10/2004 11:56:01 Are CFS hypocrites? They attacked FA under the premise that FA broke the deal they had with CFS, yet CFS can't even abide to its own charter. Should CFS attack itself now too? The reason for this is the 4 days old revised charter. Here are some quotes from the charter: Quote: Any person in CFS space shall be designed a friend of the Coalition and must fight to protect it. Quote: No entity will be allied/friend/neutral to any enemy of CFS. Quote: All whom roam in CFS space that do not come when called for will be required to purchase a weekly pass to be allowed to remain in CFS space. In the 3 regions affected by this charter there are a lot of corps neutral to FA, including a CFS corp (Xentech). How can you allow these corps to continue being neutral to your enemies when your chapter clearly says that they aren't allowed in CFS space? This would also mean that SA aren't welcome in CFS since they are neutral to FA. CFS, you're nothing but hypocrites! You expect FA to honour your contracts yet you can't honour them yourselves. SA is allied with CFS as well as with FA. We respect this and do not expect SA to take either side. Also corps having friends of any of our enmies in their bio/corp description ARE SHOT. Just like FA/FIX does shoot people having friends of UFS/StA/DSMA/CFS in their bio/corp description. Having now one corp deciding not to obey their own charter will have consequences. In fact XenTech will most likely have to leave CFS or fight with UFS Forces. But that is another story and totally up to CFS themselves. And to all that say we want to close CFS Space. THIS IS A LIE AND FAR AWAY FROM TRUTH. We want to keep it free for all, but we want assisstance for mining/using CFS Space resources. Wether you fight with us, pay through taxes while using our refineries or pay for a pass is up to YOU.
Ogodai John	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:27:00 - [65] Originally by: babyblue Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: babyblue Originally by: Ogodai John And this situation is bad for FA because? Because you finally gave them a good reason to entertain their pvp'ers right next door to their region? Or because they wont have to listen to whining weaklings anymore? Or because they can finally wipe you out and replace you with more... respectfull placeholders? Seriously, do tell me why this situation is bad for FA, Mister Forum Squad Sir! Placeholders huh? I think the truth is starting to come out. All those "CA alts" who teased us about just such a thing were right after all. Funny Wow, I found out the truth pretty fast. Can I be CFS President now please? I can talk all revolutionary and stuff. And I'm totally against capitalism and err... imperialism and bad guys!!1 OMGFIGHTTHEPOWER!!12 Nah. In 0.0 there is only weak and strong. Those who are weak either get killed or - if they are lucky and their neighbours are too friendly - are allowed to stay if they don't make any trouble. CFS/StA/DSMA are weak. Now they will have to become strong very fast or adapt to the new situation and well... die. No, we've known this for ages. It's just that I've never read anything about it on the forums before; admitting that this is what you are all about. All this talk about treaties and right/wrong from FA now looks a bit lame, don't you think? I don't know. I've been fighting FA corps in empire for a bit tho, so if that makes me a FA spokesperson, fine. Otherwise I have to disapoint you. Apart from that... errrr... the FA kept the agreements they had with CFS, didn't they? If CFS agreed to stupid demands it's their own fault. CFS tried to play the political game and failed. CFS now try to play the power game and fail. Hooray.
Ogodai John	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:27:00 - [66] Originally by: babyblue Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: babyblue Originally by: Ogodai John And this situation is bad for FA because? Because you finally gave them a good reason to entertain their pvp'ers right next door to their region? Or because they wont have to listen to whining weaklings anymore? Or because they can finally wipe you out and replace you with more... respectfull placeholders? Seriously, do tell me why this situation is bad for FA, Mister Forum Squad Sir! Placeholders huh? I think the truth is starting to come out. All those "CA alts" who teased us about just such a thing were right after all. Funny Wow, I found out the truth pretty fast. Can I be CFS President now please? I can talk all revolutionary and stuff. And I'm totally against capitalism and err... imperialism and bad guys!!1 OMGFIGHTTHEPOWER!!12 Nah. In 0.0 there is only weak and strong. Those who are weak either get killed or - if they are lucky and their neighbours are too friendly - are allowed to stay if they don't make any trouble. CFS/StA/DSMA are weak. Now they will have to become strong very fast or adapt to the new situation and well... die. No, we've known this for ages. It's just that I've never read anything about it on the forums before; admitting that this is what you are all about. All this talk about treaties and right/wrong from FA now looks a bit lame, don't you think? I don't know. I've been fighting FA corps in empire for a bit tho, so if that makes me a FA spokesperson, fine. Otherwise I have to disapoint you. Apart from that... errrr... the FA kept the agreements they had with CFS, didn't they? If CFS agreed to stupid demands it's their own fault. CFS tried to play the political game and failed. CFS now try to play the power game and fail. Hooray.
babyblue	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:35:00 - [67] Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: babyblue Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: babyblue Originally by: Ogodai John And this situation is bad for FA because? Because you finally gave them a good reason to entertain their pvp'ers right next door to their region? Or because they wont have to listen to whining weaklings anymore? Or because they can finally wipe you out and replace you with more... respectfull placeholders? Seriously, do tell me why this situation is bad for FA, Mister Forum Squad Sir! Placeholders huh? I think the truth is starting to come out. All those "CA alts" who teased us about just such a thing were right after all. Funny Wow, I found out the truth pretty fast. Can I be CFS President now please? I can talk all revolutionary and stuff. And I'm totally against capitalism and err... imperialism and bad guys!!1 OMGFIGHTTHEPOWER!!12 Nah. In 0.0 there is only weak and strong. Those who are weak either get killed or - if they are lucky and their neighbours are too friendly - are allowed to stay if they don't make any trouble. CFS/StA/DSMA are weak. Now they will have to become strong very fast or adapt to the new situation and well... die. No, we've known this for ages. It's just that I've never read anything about it on the forums before; admitting that this is what you are all about. All this talk about treaties and right/wrong from FA now looks a bit lame, don't you think? I don't know. I've been fighting FA corps in empire for a bit tho, so if that makes me a FA spokesperson, fine. Otherwise I have to disapoint you. Apart from that... errrr... the FA kept the agreements they had with CFS, didn't they? If CFS agreed to stupid demands it's their own fault. CFS tried to play the political game and failed. CFS now try to play the power game and fail. Hooray. I think thats a rhetorical question. They didn't stick to them as far as I'm aware.
babyblue	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:35:00 - [68] Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: babyblue Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: babyblue Originally by: Ogodai John And this situation is bad for FA because? Because you finally gave them a good reason to entertain their pvp'ers right next door to their region? Or because they wont have to listen to whining weaklings anymore? Or because they can finally wipe you out and replace you with more... respectfull placeholders? Seriously, do tell me why this situation is bad for FA, Mister Forum Squad Sir! Placeholders huh? I think the truth is starting to come out. All those "CA alts" who teased us about just such a thing were right after all. Funny Wow, I found out the truth pretty fast. Can I be CFS President now please? I can talk all revolutionary and stuff. And I'm totally against capitalism and err... imperialism and bad guys!!1 OMGFIGHTTHEPOWER!!12 Nah. In 0.0 there is only weak and strong. Those who are weak either get killed or - if they are lucky and their neighbours are too friendly - are allowed to stay if they don't make any trouble. CFS/StA/DSMA are weak. Now they will have to become strong very fast or adapt to the new situation and well... die. No, we've known this for ages. It's just that I've never read anything about it on the forums before; admitting that this is what you are all about. All this talk about treaties and right/wrong from FA now looks a bit lame, don't you think? I don't know. I've been fighting FA corps in empire for a bit tho, so if that makes me a FA spokesperson, fine. Otherwise I have to disapoint you. Apart from that... errrr... the FA kept the agreements they had with CFS, didn't they? If CFS agreed to stupid demands it's their own fault. CFS tried to play the political game and failed. CFS now try to play the power game and fail. Hooray. I think thats a rhetorical question. They didn't stick to them as far as I'm aware.
Ogodai John	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:38:00 - [69] Originally by: babyblue I think thats a rhetorical question. They didn't stick to them as far as I'm aware. shrug Okay... won't pretend I know more about the details and whatnots of that treaty than you do. It's a very simple situation anyway. CFS/DSMA/StA are now paying the price for being weak and ****ing off someone who is strong(er). No matter how you twist and turn it. Bad politics, bad planning, bad strategy, bad everything, dead locals.
Ogodai John	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:38:00 - [70] Originally by: babyblue I think thats a rhetorical question. They didn't stick to them as far as I'm aware. shrug Okay... won't pretend I know more about the details and whatnots of that treaty than you do. It's a very simple situation anyway. CFS/DSMA/StA are now paying the price for being weak and ****ing off someone who is strong(er). No matter how you twist and turn it. Bad politics, bad planning, bad strategy, bad everything, dead locals.
zepter	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:39:00 - [71] Edited by: zepter on 19/10/2004 13:42:46 Originally by: Andrew Redburn Also corps having friends of any of our enmies in their bio/corp description ARE SHOT. Just like FA/FIX does shoot people having friends of UFS/StA/DSMA/CFS in their bio/corp description. but the neutral freeloaders you don't shoot? maybe i should put "neutral freeloader" in my bio then.
zepter	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:39:00 - [72] Edited by: zepter on 19/10/2004 13:42:46 Originally by: Andrew Redburn Also corps having friends of any of our enmies in their bio/corp description ARE SHOT. Just like FA/FIX does shoot people having friends of UFS/StA/DSMA/CFS in their bio/corp description. but the neutral freeloaders you don't shoot? maybe i should put "neutral freeloader" in my bio then.
Severe McCald	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:40:00 - [73] Originally by: zepter Edited by: zepter on 19/10/2004 11:56:01 Are CFS hypocrites? Hypocrite: one who says one thing and does another. Person with the benefit of experience: says one thing, tries it. It doesn't work. Says let us try something else and does so. Different things. Severe And Moses was content to dwell with the man:and he gave Moses Zipporah his daughter. And she bare him a son, and he called his name Gershom:for he said, I have been a stranger in a strange land.
Severe McCald	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:40:00 - [74] Originally by: zepter Edited by: zepter on 19/10/2004 11:56:01 Are CFS hypocrites? Hypocrite: one who says one thing and does another. Person with the benefit of experience: says one thing, tries it. It doesn't work. Says let us try something else and does so. Different things. Severe And Moses was content to dwell with the man:and he gave Moses Zipporah his daughter. And she bare him a son, and he called his name Gershom:for he said, I have been a stranger in a strange land.
zepter	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:42:00 - [75] Originally by: Severe McCald Originally by: zepter Edited by: zepter on 19/10/2004 11:56:01 Are CFS hypocrites? Hypocrite: one who says one thing and does another. Person with the benefit of experience: says one thing, tries it. It doesn't work. Says let us try something else and does so. Different things. Severe hypocrite fits nicely.
zepter	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:42:00 - [76] Originally by: Severe McCald Originally by: zepter Edited by: zepter on 19/10/2004 11:56:01 Are CFS hypocrites? Hypocrite: one who says one thing and does another. Person with the benefit of experience: says one thing, tries it. It doesn't work. Says let us try something else and does so. Different things. Severe hypocrite fits nicely.
zepter	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:44:00 - [77] in what way did FA not honour their agreement with CFS?
zepter	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:44:00 - [78] in what way did FA not honour their agreement with CFS?
babyblue	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:46:00 - [79] Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: babyblue I think thats a rhetorical question. They didn't stick to them as far as I'm aware. shrug Okay... won't pretend I know more about the details and whatnots of that treaty than you do. It's a very simple situation anyway. CFS/DSMA/StA are now paying the price for being weak and ****ing off someone who is strong(er). No matter how you twist and turn it. Bad politics, bad planning, bad strategy, bad everything, dead locals. Yes, seen in those terms, you are probably right. But its nice to go down for a Virtual ideal. I'm not one of those who enjoys fighting just for the hell of it (did enough of that at school).
babyblue	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:46:00 - [80] Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: babyblue I think thats a rhetorical question. They didn't stick to them as far as I'm aware. shrug Okay... won't pretend I know more about the details and whatnots of that treaty than you do. It's a very simple situation anyway. CFS/DSMA/StA are now paying the price for being weak and ****ing off someone who is strong(er). No matter how you twist and turn it. Bad politics, bad planning, bad strategy, bad everything, dead locals. Yes, seen in those terms, you are probably right. But its nice to go down for a Virtual ideal. I'm not one of those who enjoys fighting just for the hell of it (did enough of that at school).
Narcoz	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:47:00 - [81] Originally by: Andrew Redburn And to all that say we want to close CFS Space. THIS IS A LIE AND FAR AWAY FROM TRUTH. Hmm for some reason my trust in CFS isent what it once was....
Narcoz	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:47:00 - [82] Originally by: Andrew Redburn And to all that say we want to close CFS Space. THIS IS A LIE AND FAR AWAY FROM TRUTH. Hmm for some reason my trust in CFS isent what it once was....
babyblue	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:57:00 - [83] Originally by: Narcoz Originally by: Andrew Redburn And to all that say we want to close CFS Space. THIS IS A LIE AND FAR AWAY FROM TRUTH. Hmm for some reason my trust in CFS isent what it once was.... Well, I can say that the Free Space ideal is still alive and kicking with most (probably not all though) players in CFS. So even if a few did want it shut down, it won't happen (although if FA win this, it will be shut down for sure). The only change here then, is the requirement to help defend it. Which I don't think is too much to ask.
babyblue	Posted - 2004.10.19 13:57:00 - [84] Originally by: Narcoz Originally by: Andrew Redburn And to all that say we want to close CFS Space. THIS IS A LIE AND FAR AWAY FROM TRUTH. Hmm for some reason my trust in CFS isent what it once was.... Well, I can say that the Free Space ideal is still alive and kicking with most (probably not all though) players in CFS. So even if a few did want it shut down, it won't happen (although if FA win this, it will be shut down for sure). The only change here then, is the requirement to help defend it. Which I don't think is too much to ask.
Sternburg Export	Posted - 2004.10.19 14:12:00 - [85] Believe it or not... The only thing FA wanta.. are isk.. In our diplomatic relations we wantet lesser each time. First it was the control of the Stations... Then it was at least 1 little station. Then it were Offices at the stations. Finally the only thing left.. we wanted a refining tax lesser then 3% .. Offices was given to our membercorps while StA was stationholder! there were not any FA involved... The refing tax was not lesser then 3%.. I ask u.. do we wantet really to much? NO.. we didn¦t. And if u everytime Slap ur "slaves".. someone they will stand up against there slavers.. thats all. ____________________________ [ 2005.03.31 20:53:50 ] (mining) Your Basic Miner perfectly strikes Veldspar Roid, wrecking for 20 Ore units.
Sternburg Export	Posted - 2004.10.19 14:12:00 - [86] Believe it or not... The only thing FA wanta.. are isk.. In our diplomatic relations we wantet lesser each time. First it was the control of the Stations... Then it was at least 1 little station. Then it were Offices at the stations. Finally the only thing left.. we wanted a refining tax lesser then 3% .. Offices was given to our membercorps while StA was stationholder! there were not any FA involved... The refing tax was not lesser then 3%.. I ask u.. do we wantet really to much? NO.. we didn¦t. And if u everytime Slap ur "slaves".. someone they will stand up against there slavers.. thats all. ____________________________ [ 2005.03.31 20:53:50 ] (mining) Your Basic Miner perfectly strikes Veldspar Roid, wrecking for 20 Ore units.
Kariss	Posted - 2004.10.19 14:15:00 - [87] Originally by: Sternburg Export Believe it or not... The only thing FA wanta.. are isk.. And that's bad because... ? Hell, I want more ISK - anyone care to donate?
Kariss	Posted - 2004.10.19 14:15:00 - [88] Originally by: Sternburg Export Believe it or not... The only thing FA wanta.. are isk.. And that's bad because... ? Hell, I want more ISK - anyone care to donate?
Ogodai John	Posted - 2004.10.19 15:04:00 - [89] Originally by: Sternburg Export Believe it or not... The only thing FA wanta.. are isk.. Wow. How mean. I am sure your alliance tries to avoid ISK as good as you can. No really, thats a good point. I hope for you that the StA PVP Squad is better than your Forum Squad...
Ogodai John	Posted - 2004.10.19 15:04:00 - [90] Originally by: Sternburg Export Believe it or not... The only thing FA wanta.. are isk.. Wow. How mean. I am sure your alliance tries to avoid ISK as good as you can. No really, thats a good point. I hope for you that the StA PVP Squad is better than your Forum Squad...

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