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Senior Pablo	Posted - 2004.10.19 20:13:00 - [1] I'm asking anyone who has proof of price fixing to post it to this thread so that price fixed items can be boycotted. Tech II price fixing is out of hand and we the customers need to stand up to help themselves. Tech II price fixers post inside these forums, discussing the best prices where their products should be fixed and the buyers do nothing to stop it. We need stop this. Price fixing is bad for the consumer, bad for the market, and bad for private traders. I purchased a large amount of 200mm Tech II Autocannons more than a month ago and have been continually leaned on and harassed by price fixers, those with the BPOs who call themselves the "Tech II 200mm Autocannon Consortium" who have repeatedly harassed me for attempting to engage in honest trade. Price fixers are not good players. Just like in real life, they are scammers and over-zealous profiteers bent on ruining fair trade for the sake of enlarging their already prodigious pockets. People who price fix in real life are jailed. Price fixers are no better than ore thieves in that they are not profiting by their own merits and labors, but rather by taking advantage of good players. If you have had a similar experience, or have seen postings by price fixers, or even notice that every price of a certain product is exactly the same at every order in every region, post it to this thread. Boycotting Tech II items seems like a hard sacrifice, but it won't take long before these pirates stab each other in the back by lowering their prices. This can work. I'll tell you from my own experience that the price of Tech II 200mm Autocannons has dropped from 3mil per unit to 1.75mil per unit since I started fighting the price fixers. They are supposed to have the price fixed at 2mil right now but, because I refuse to cooperate despite their threats and demands, they're forced to undercut me and save the consumer money in the Genesis region. We owe it to ourselves to stop the practice of price fixing. It is unfair, and it hinders or spoils the game for many honest EVE players. If you have information on price-fixed items, please post it here so we can force these people to stop stealing our hard-earned ISK. Thanks, Senior Pablo Captain, El Jalapeno XXXI
Senior Pablo	Posted - 2004.10.19 20:13:00 - [2] I'm asking anyone who has proof of price fixing to post it to this thread so that price fixed items can be boycotted. Tech II price fixing is out of hand and we the customers need to stand up to help themselves. Tech II price fixers post inside these forums, discussing the best prices where their products should be fixed and the buyers do nothing to stop it. We need stop this. Price fixing is bad for the consumer, bad for the market, and bad for private traders. I purchased a large amount of 200mm Tech II Autocannons more than a month ago and have been continually leaned on and harassed by price fixers, those with the BPOs who call themselves the "Tech II 200mm Autocannon Consortium" who have repeatedly harassed me for attempting to engage in honest trade. Price fixers are not good players. Just like in real life, they are scammers and over-zealous profiteers bent on ruining fair trade for the sake of enlarging their already prodigious pockets. People who price fix in real life are jailed. Price fixers are no better than ore thieves in that they are not profiting by their own merits and labors, but rather by taking advantage of good players. If you have had a similar experience, or have seen postings by price fixers, or even notice that every price of a certain product is exactly the same at every order in every region, post it to this thread. Boycotting Tech II items seems like a hard sacrifice, but it won't take long before these pirates stab each other in the back by lowering their prices. This can work. I'll tell you from my own experience that the price of Tech II 200mm Autocannons has dropped from 3mil per unit to 1.75mil per unit since I started fighting the price fixers. They are supposed to have the price fixed at 2mil right now but, because I refuse to cooperate despite their threats and demands, they're forced to undercut me and save the consumer money in the Genesis region. We owe it to ourselves to stop the practice of price fixing. It is unfair, and it hinders or spoils the game for many honest EVE players. If you have information on price-fixed items, please post it here so we can force these people to stop stealing our hard-earned ISK. Thanks, Senior Pablo Captain, El Jalapeno XXXI
Senior Pablo Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2004.10.19 20:13:00 - [3] I'm asking anyone who has proof of price fixing to post it to this thread so that price fixed items can be boycotted. Tech II price fixing is out of hand and we the customers need to stand up to help themselves. Tech II price fixers post inside these forums, discussing the best prices where their products should be fixed and the buyers do nothing to stop it. We need stop this. Price fixing is bad for the consumer, bad for the market, and bad for private traders. I purchased a large amount of 200mm Tech II Autocannons more than a month ago and have been continually leaned on and harassed by price fixers, those with the BPOs who call themselves the "Tech II 200mm Autocannon Consortium" who have repeatedly harassed me for attempting to engage in honest trade. Price fixers are not good players. Just like in real life, they are scammers and over-zealous profiteers bent on ruining fair trade for the sake of enlarging their already prodigious pockets. People who price fix in real life are jailed. Price fixers are no better than ore thieves in that they are not profiting by their own merits and labors, but rather by taking advantage of good players. If you have had a similar experience, or have seen postings by price fixers, or even notice that every price of a certain product is exactly the same at every order in every region, post it to this thread. Boycotting Tech II items seems like a hard sacrifice, but it won't take long before these pirates stab each other in the back by lowering their prices. This can work. I'll tell you from my own experience that the price of Tech II 200mm Autocannons has dropped from 3mil per unit to 1.75mil per unit since I started fighting the price fixers. They are supposed to have the price fixed at 2mil right now but, because I refuse to cooperate despite their threats and demands, they're forced to undercut me and save the consumer money in the Genesis region. We owe it to ourselves to stop the practice of price fixing. It is unfair, and it hinders or spoils the game for many honest EVE players. If you have information on price-fixed items, please post it here so we can force these people to stop stealing our hard-earned ISK. Thanks, Senior Pablo Captain, El Jalapeno XXXI
the plague	Posted - 2004.10.19 20:21:00 - [4] can i be the 1st to own up to price fixing and i can tell you boycott all u want u , it wont change a thing
the plague	Posted - 2004.10.19 20:21:00 - [5] can i be the 1st to own up to price fixing and i can tell you boycott all u want u , it wont change a thing
the plague	Posted - 2004.10.19 20:21:00 - [6] can i be the 1st to own up to price fixing and i can tell you boycott all u want u , it wont change a thing
FZappa	Posted - 2004.10.19 20:30:00 - [7] Edited by: FZappa on 19/10/2004 20:32:48 nothing is fair in eve . price fixing will work up to a point when more bpos of the module are released and the producers are stuck with their supply . im suprised the 200mm 2 cartel moved to undercut you , since you have limit amounts of these guns . p.s , someone been selling 200mm 2 bpcs at 200k per run ;) so much for that cartel lol . -------------------------
FZappa	Posted - 2004.10.19 20:30:00 - [8] Edited by: FZappa on 19/10/2004 20:32:48 nothing is fair in eve . price fixing will work up to a point when more bpos of the module are released and the producers are stuck with their supply . im suprised the 200mm 2 cartel moved to undercut you , since you have limit amounts of these guns . p.s , someone been selling 200mm 2 bpcs at 200k per run ;) so much for that cartel lol . -------------------------
FZappa Caldari Heretics Corp	Posted - 2004.10.19 20:30:00 - [9] Edited by: FZappa on 19/10/2004 20:32:48 nothing is fair in eve . price fixing will work up to a point when more bpos of the module are released and the producers are stuck with their supply . im suprised the 200mm 2 cartel moved to undercut you , since you have limit amounts of these guns . p.s , someone been selling 200mm 2 bpcs at 200k per run ;) so much for that cartel lol . ------------------------- T2 producer : Curse recon ships , PDU2 , small neutron blaster2 , Med pulse laser2 , Armor em/thermal/kinetic hardeners2, thermic armor plating 2 , havoc fury cruise 2 .
Dirus	Posted - 2004.10.19 20:36:00 - [10] Price fixing is perfectly normal business ploy. There are laws in RL that prohibit this to a certain extent, but as with oil, there is always price fixing. Its everyone's god given right to charge what ever they want for their goods. If there is a demand, they will keep high prices, if players stop buying them, then prices go down. 200mm autocannon IIs are not a very sought after item that will destroy the market. There are other options you can use. Go buy some rare 200mm tech1s for instance (I've got a few scouts and protos tucked away from agent whor... running). ********** Everyone deserves to die. You go first.

Dirus	Posted - 2004.10.19 20:36:00 - [11] Price fixing is perfectly normal business ploy. There are laws in RL that prohibit this to a certain extent, but as with oil, there is always price fixing. Its everyone's god given right to charge what ever they want for their goods. If there is a demand, they will keep high prices, if players stop buying them, then prices go down. 200mm autocannon IIs are not a very sought after item that will destroy the market. There are other options you can use. Go buy some rare 200mm tech1s for instance (I've got a few scouts and protos tucked away from agent whor... running). ********** Everyone deserves to die. You go first.
Dirus	Posted - 2004.10.19 20:36:00 - [12] Price fixing is perfectly normal business ploy. There are laws in RL that prohibit this to a certain extent, but as with oil, there is always price fixing. Its everyone's god given right to charge what ever they want for their goods. If there is a demand, they will keep high prices, if players stop buying them, then prices go down. 200mm autocannon IIs are not a very sought after item that will destroy the market. There are other options you can use. Go buy some rare 200mm tech1s for instance (I've got a few scouts and protos tucked away from agent whor... running).
Dejesus	Posted - 2004.10.19 21:33:00 - [13] Edited by: Dejesus on 19/10/2004 21:37:51 Suppliers, contrary to their over-blown egos, don't control the market -- consumers do. And the consumers have the "God-given right" not to buy price-fixed goods. And it's conspicuous how the person who says "Nothing is fair!" is typically the person benefitting from the unfairness. Consumers are entitled to prices dictated by a free market. If you don't believe in the free market, why are you traders? If I wanted to steal from people, I'd just be a pirate. But then, of course, that would take balls... DJ
Dejesus	Posted - 2004.10.19 21:33:00 - [14] Edited by: Dejesus on 19/10/2004 21:37:51 Suppliers, contrary to their over-blown egos, don't control the market -- consumers do. And the consumers have the "God-given right" not to buy price-fixed goods. And it's conspicuous how the person who says "Nothing is fair!" is typically the person benefitting from the unfairness. Consumers are entitled to prices dictated by a free market. If you don't believe in the free market, why are you traders? If I wanted to steal from people, I'd just be a pirate. But then, of course, that would take balls... DJ
Dejesus	Posted - 2004.10.19 21:33:00 - [15] Edited by: Dejesus on 19/10/2004 21:37:51 Suppliers, contrary to their over-blown egos, don't control the market -- consumers do. And the consumers have the "God-given right" not to buy price-fixed goods. And it's conspicuous how the person who says "Nothing is fair!" is typically the person benefitting from the unfairness. Consumers are entitled to prices dictated by a free market. If you don't believe in the free market, why are you traders? If I wanted to steal from people, I'd just be a pirate. But then, of course, that would take balls... DJ
fairimear	Posted - 2004.10.19 21:35:00 - [16] A. this is rong place for this post. B they wont stop so stop greifing and have a cookie. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.10.19 21:35:00 - [17] A. this is rong place for this post. B they wont stop so stop greifing and have a cookie. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear Gallente S.A.S Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2004.10.19 21:35:00 - [18] A. this is rong place for this post. B they wont stop so stop greifing and have a cookie. Makeing your npc hunters SS.
Excavation Svcs	Posted - 2004.10.19 22:12:00 - [19] Edited by: Excavation Svcs on 19/10/2004 22:15:13 Price fixing is cool. One of the diverse ways to trade in this game.
Excavation Svcs	Posted - 2004.10.19 22:12:00 - [20] Edited by: Excavation Svcs on 19/10/2004 22:15:13 Price fixing is cool. One of the diverse ways to trade in this game.

Excavation Svcs	Posted - 2004.10.19 22:12:00 - [21] Edited by: Excavation Svcs on 19/10/2004 22:15:13 Price fixing is cool. One of the diverse ways to trade in this game.
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2004.10.19 22:26:00 - [22] get the others with the same bpo as you, make a little trade agreement on a fixed price. make the buyers pay a lot for it and dont leak the mineral requirments... one way to fix it ^^ "We brake for nobody"
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2004.10.19 22:26:00 - [23] get the others with the same bpo as you, make a little trade agreement on a fixed price. make the buyers pay a lot for it and dont leak the mineral requirments... one way to fix it ^^ "We brake for nobody"
Admiral IceBlock Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2004.10.19 22:26:00 - [24] get the others with the same bpo as you, make a little trade agreement on a fixed price. make the buyers pay a lot for it and dont leak the mineral requirments... one way to fix it ^^ Support POS Overhaul - Read it NOW!
Kaladryn	Posted - 2004.10.19 23:33:00 - [25] Sounds like you have been put in the perfect position to wtfpwn these price fixers, and you have done so, just don't give in to the price fixing demands. Most of these people doing the price fixing don't understand simple supply and demand, and are actually hurting themselves by setting their prices high. When a new BPO comes out, there is often little demand for the item, setting the price high just reduces this demand further. A new item producer should be more concerned with creating demand than making profit initially. Get your product out there, get people using it, create more demand, educate your market in it's value. This will create higher demand, AND increase the rate at which demand increases. In the end, higher volume will more than make up for your smaller profit margin. I'm making over 600 RPs/day, and I look forward to getting a BPO and wtfpwning some of these lame price fixers! Kaladryn
Kaladryn	Posted - 2004.10.19 23:33:00 - [26] Sounds like you have been put in the perfect position to wtfpwn these price fixers, and you have done so, just don't give in to the price fixing demands. Most of these people doing the price fixing don't understand simple supply and demand, and are actually hurting themselves by setting their prices high. When a new BPO comes out, there is often little demand for the item, setting the price high just reduces this demand further. A new item producer should be more concerned with creating demand than making profit initially. Get your product out there, get people using it, create more demand, educate your market in it's value. This will create higher demand, AND increase the rate at which demand increases. In the end, higher volume will more than make up for your smaller profit margin. I'm making over 600 RPs/day, and I look forward to getting a BPO and wtfpwning some of these lame price fixers! Kaladryn
Kaladryn KaYSeRiSPoR	Posted - 2004.10.19 23:33:00 - [27] Sounds like you have been put in the perfect position to wtfpwn these price fixers, and you have done so, just don't give in to the price fixing demands. Most of these people doing the price fixing don't understand simple supply and demand, and are actually hurting themselves by setting their prices high. When a new BPO comes out, there is often little demand for the item, setting the price high just reduces this demand further. A new item producer should be more concerned with creating demand than making profit initially. Get your product out there, get people using it, create more demand, educate your market in it's value. This will create higher demand, AND increase the rate at which demand increases. In the end, higher volume will more than make up for your smaller profit margin. I'm making over 600 RPs/day, and I look forward to getting a BPO and wtfpwning some of these lame price fixers! Kaladryn
Senior Pablo	Posted - 2004.10.20 00:02:00 - [28] This is how price fixers work. This EVEmail was sent to me by Meriatalantra (who is in a corp with a CA NAP by the way): 2004.09.29 22:14:00 Hello I represent the Autocannon 200mm !! consortium. So far we have identified 3 vendors of this item. We have al agreed to sell them at 3 mil each as demand is high and there is no point in us undercutting each other. Please will you join our consortium and price your autocannon 200s at 3 mil each? I see you are trying to undercut at the moment. It would be unfrotunate if all the other 200mm autocannon manufacturers had to gang up and undercut you inb return. Please join us instead so we can all profit. --- "It would be unfortunate if all the other 200mm autocannon manufacturers had to gang up and undercut you in return." That is how price fixers treated a month-old newcomer to EVE who put his last ISK into an otherwise good investment to get ahead. These are not good, honest traders. These are bad people. They are not the kind of people who make for a good gaming community. I am still trying to sell the autocannons I purchased. Rather than buy me out -- like I did to the guy with the price lower than mine -- they harassed me, undercut me, followed me to every system where I tried to sell, and ruined my investment. Price fixers hurt everyone, they hurt the game, and we need to stand up to them. Saying price fixing is "One more diverse way to trade in EVE" is absurd -- why not escrow scamming then? Why not ore theiving? Price fixers are bad players and we need to shut this practice down. Senior Pablo Captain, El Jalapeno XXXI
Senior Pablo	Posted - 2004.10.20 00:02:00 - [29] This is how price fixers work. This EVEmail was sent to me by Meriatalantra (who is in a corp with a CA NAP by the way): 2004.09.29 22:14:00 Hello I represent the Autocannon 200mm !! consortium. So far we have identified 3 vendors of this item. We have al agreed to sell them at 3 mil each as demand is high and there is no point in us undercutting each other. Please will you join our consortium and price your autocannon 200s at 3 mil each? I see you are trying to undercut at the moment. It would be unfrotunate if all the other 200mm autocannon manufacturers had to gang up and undercut you inb return. Please join us instead so we can all profit. --- "It would be unfortunate if all the other 200mm autocannon manufacturers had to gang up and undercut you in return." That is how price fixers treated a month-old newcomer to EVE who put his last ISK into an otherwise good investment to get ahead. These are not good, honest traders. These are bad people. They are not the kind of people who make for a good gaming community. I am still trying to sell the autocannons I purchased. Rather than buy me out -- like I did to the guy with the price lower than mine -- they harassed me, undercut me, followed me to every system where I tried to sell, and ruined my investment. Price fixers hurt everyone, they hurt the game, and we need to stand up to them. Saying price fixing is "One more diverse way to trade in EVE" is absurd -- why not escrow scamming then? Why not ore theiving? Price fixers are bad players and we need to shut this practice down. Senior Pablo Captain, El Jalapeno XXXI
Senior Pablo Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2004.10.20 00:02:00 - [30] This is how price fixers work. This EVEmail was sent to me by Meriatalantra (who is in a corp with a CA NAP by the way): 2004.09.29 22:14:00 Hello I represent the Autocannon 200mm !! consortium. So far we have identified 3 vendors of this item. We have al agreed to sell them at 3 mil each as demand is high and there is no point in us undercutting each other. Please will you join our consortium and price your autocannon 200s at 3 mil each? I see you are trying to undercut at the moment. It would be unfrotunate if all the other 200mm autocannon manufacturers had to gang up and undercut you inb return. Please join us instead so we can all profit. --- "It would be unfortunate if all the other 200mm autocannon manufacturers had to gang up and undercut you in return." That is how price fixers treated a month-old newcomer to EVE who put his last ISK into an otherwise good investment to get ahead. These are not good, honest traders. These are bad people. They are not the kind of people who make for a good gaming community. I am still trying to sell the autocannons I purchased. Rather than buy me out -- like I did to the guy with the price lower than mine -- they harassed me, undercut me, followed me to every system where I tried to sell, and ruined my investment. Price fixers hurt everyone, they hurt the game, and we need to stand up to them. Saying price fixing is "One more diverse way to trade in EVE" is absurd -- why not escrow scamming then? Why not ore theiving? Price fixers are bad players and we need to shut this practice down. Senior Pablo Captain, El Jalapeno XXXI



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