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Jones Bones Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2009.09.07 06:13:00 - [91] Ex-BoB scores a morale victory! Fail third party is fail. =================== Go Bucks!
Ran Khanon	Posted - 2009.09.07 06:17:00 - [92] Edited by: Ran Khanon on 07/09/2009 06:17:24 Originally by: Lana's Alt I'm sorry, but if your going to use F90 now then you may as well use me. He's stolen more ISK now than I have have. Poor thing. Console yourself with this; it wasn't stealing what he did. He got handed a stolen Picasso and instead of selling it for the thief he returned it to the museum. So, he might not be trusted to be a good FENCE but I would trust him as a third party with my RL bankroll, my car and my mother. Whereas you would drive off to the horizon yelling 'so long, sucker!', dumping my mum at the first gas station and spending my money on booze, guns and ammo. There is a big difference, Lana :)
VoiceInTheDesert Inroads	Posted - 2009.09.07 06:37:00 - [93] Originally by: Ran Khanon Edited by: Ran Khanon on 07/09/2009 06:17:24 Originally by: Lana's Alt I'm sorry, but if your going to use F90 now then you may as well use me. He's stolen more ISK now than I have have. Poor thing. Console yourself with this; it wasn't stealing what he did. He got handed a stolen Picasso and instead of selling it for the thief he returned it to the museum. So, he might not be trusted to be a good FENCE but I would trust him as a third party with my RL bankroll, my car and my mother. Whereas you would drive off to the horizon yelling 'so long, sucker!', dumping my mum at the first gas station and spending my money on booze, guns and ammo. There is a big difference, Lana :) While I do not condemn this scam/theft, it was that. Saying "it was returning it to the rightful owner" is all well and good, but the fact remains that his "right" and "wrong" overrode his professional obligation, leading him to "liberate" the ship back to it's "rightful owner." Admirable or not, most people who are not ex-BOB will probably not trust him any more because they will be unsure if his sense of "justice" might kick in again and cost them their stuff.
Dianabolic Reikoku	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:08:00 - [94] Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert Originally by: Ran Khanon Edited by: Ran Khanon on 07/09/2009 06:17:24 Originally by: Lana's Alt I'm sorry, but if your going to use F90 now then you may as well use me. He's stolen more ISK now than I have have. Poor thing. Console yourself with this; it wasn't stealing what he did. He got handed a stolen Picasso and instead of selling it for the thief he returned it to the museum. So, he might not be trusted to be a good FENCE but I would trust him as a third party with my RL bankroll, my car and my mother. Whereas you would drive off to the horizon yelling 'so long, sucker!', dumping my mum at the first gas station and spending my money on booze, guns and ammo. There is a big difference, Lana :) While I do not condemn this scam/theft, it was that. Saying "it was returning it to the rightful owner" is all well and good, but the fact remains that his "right" and "wrong" overrode his professional obligation, leading him to "liberate" the ship back to it's "rightful owner." Admirable or not, most people who are not ex-BOB will probably not trust him any more because they will be unsure if his sense of "justice" might kick in again and cost them their stuff. How on earth can his sense of justice prevail if his client is actually selling "their own" stuff? (ie, it is actually theirs and not stolen) Does not compute.
Turiel Demon Minmatar Shadow Reapers	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:24:00 - [95] To people who deal with serious amounts of isk 'just' 'fair' 'rightful' etc. aren't as important as that they know they will do business safely. Sure F9 is ok if you want to trade a collectors item or two (unless maybe they were liberated from a station that he had friends in) or even to secure an MS trade (unless it was bought via a scam maybe)... You can be neutral, or you can judge your clients, F9 has chosen his route. Keep using him only if you're sure your morality is in perfect alignment with his and you've never strayed from the 'true path' which he holds to. Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature.
Lana's Alt Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:26:00 - [96] Originally by: Dianabolic How on earth can his sense of justice prevail if his client is actually selling "their own" stuff? (ie, it is actually theirs and not stolen) Does not compute. I thought I put it pretty clearly im my previous post.. If you sell things through F90 now it doesn't matter if its your own stuff or not, it now matters if he believes its your stuff.. So.. We'll try a couple of different scenarios that I hope will help. Scenario 1 - Clear cut I take a Nyx from Person A. I offer it up for sale and use F90 as a 3rd party. Person A complains to F90 and he sees what I have done and returns the Nyx to Person A leaving me with nothing. Essentially this is what he has done here, and you believe this is the right thing to do. Scenario 2 - Muddy Waters I have a Nyx and I offer it for sale using F90 as a 3rd party. Before it sells I manage to take a Nyx from Person A. Person A complains to F90 that I stole a Nyx and I have a Nyx for sale through him. Its obvious what I have done.. Does F90 return the other Nyx to make up for the loss? Should he? Scenario 3 - The con I have a Nyx and I offer it for sale using F90 as a 3rd party. Person A doesn't like me very much and fabricates a lot of evidence that I stole the Nyx from him. Person A complains to F90 that I stole the Nyx from him. F90 believes him. Does F90 return the Nyx? Obviously he shouldn't, but he doesn't know its a con, so im going with yes he will. Scenario 4 - Friends helping friends I have a Nyx and I offer it for sale using F90 as a 3rd party. My alliance is at war with another alliance and im going to use the ISK to help fund the war. F90 is friendly with the alliance I am at war with. He is asked (even pressured) buy the other alliance to give them the Nyx. Will he give it to them? My whole point is, in a situation where you are relying 100% on trust, why would you trust someone that has already proven they cant be trusted?
5pinDizzy Amarr Caldari State 1st Protectorate	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:36:00 - [97] Originally by: Peter Powers Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr What really happened... This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions. :( Same here, was it anything good?
T'Amber ships of eve	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:49:00 - [98] Originally by: Replestil Wow way to ruin your 3rd party business. No one in their right mind will use F9 anymore. Well, except T'Amber, because that's the only way he can pull off his ships of eve lotto scams, by using a scammer 3rd party. /me facepalm
Rawr Cristina Caldari Annihilate. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:56:00 - [99] nice publicity stunt by F90 - Malyutka (The Virus) -
Xoth Agguataggua	Posted - 2009.09.07 08:01:00 - [100] Edited by: Xoth Agguataggua on 07/09/2009 08:00:57 I think f9 has killed his rep sure the guy stole it but F9 was hired as a secure 3rd party not to be a police officer
Turiel Demon Minmatar Shadow Reapers	Posted - 2009.09.07 08:07:00 - [101] Originally by: Lana's Alt Originally by: Dianabolic How on earth can his sense of justice prevail if his client is actually selling "their own" stuff? (ie, it is actually theirs and not stolen) Does not compute. I thought I put it pretty clearly im my previous post.. If you sell things through F90 now it doesn't matter if its your own stuff or not, it now matters if he believes its your stuff.. So.. We'll try a couple of different scenarios that I hope will help. Scenario 1 - Clear cut I take a Nyx from Person A. I offer it up for sale and use F90 as a 3rd party. Person A complains to F90 and he sees what I have done and returns the Nyx to Person A leaving me with nothing. Essentially this is what he has done here, and you believe this is the right thing to do. Scenario 2 - Muddy Waters I have a Nyx and I offer it for sale using F90 as a 3rd party. Before it sells I manage to take a Nyx from Person A. Person A complains to F90 that I stole a Nyx and I have a Nyx for sale through him. Its obvious what I have done.. Does F90 return the other Nyx to make up for the loss? Should he? Scenario 3 - The con I have a Nyx and I offer it for sale using F90 as a 3rd party. Person A doesn't like me very much and fabricates a lot of evidence that I stole the Nyx from him. Person A complains to F90 that I stole the Nyx from him. F90 believes him. Does F90 return the Nyx? Obviously he shouldn't, but he doesn't know its a con, so im going with yes he will. Scenario 4 - Friends helping friends I have a Nyx and I offer it for sale using F90 as a 3rd party. My alliance is at war with another alliance and im going to use the ISK to help fund the war. F90 is friendly with the alliance I am at war with. He is asked (even pressured) buy the other alliance to give them the Nyx. Will he give it to them? My whole point is, in a situation where you are relying 100% on trust, why would you trust someone that has already proven they cant be trusted? Thank you, you're better at thinking up scenarios than me Clear enough for everyone now? Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature.
Arec Bardwin	Posted - 2009.09.07 08:19:00 - [102] I refuse to believe the epic level of stupidity and ******edness with the parties involved in this drama implies.
Plave Okice Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.09.07 08:35:00 - [103] What if you're selling your Nyx and the Chelm smartbomb on it was looted from his mate that you killed? Or stolen from a corp? Is he going to give it back? Who the ** knows? As a supposed trusted neutral it was none of his business where the ship came from, when he decided to make it his business he stopped being a neutral and became untrustworthy. And this... Originally by:** REFINERALTINNIT Everyone involved in this story is a dumbass
Nekmet Awai	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:13:00 - [104] Awesomely done :D would use such a third party.. like that at least some still have morale ingame ;)
Hroya Gallente TerraNovae	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:25:00 - [105] What exactly is so special about that ship ? Because it's so rare it's concidered valluable ? Would it actually be used ? From an outsiders perspective it appears to be a whole lot of drama about some hardly ever used item in a virtuall game. Naturally i am not informed enough to fully understand it all but that isnt really a problem
Nekmet Awai	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:34:00 - [106] Originally by: Lana's Alt Originally by: Dianabolic How on earth can his sense of justice prevail if his client is actually selling "their own" stuff? (ie, it is actually theirs and not stolen) Does not compute. I thought I put it pretty clearly im my previous post.. If you sell things through F90 now it doesn't matter if its your own stuff or not, it now matters if he believes its your stuff.. So.. We'll try a couple of different scenarios that I hope will help. Scenario 1 - Clear cut I take a Nyx from Person A. I offer it up for sale and use F90 as a 3rd party. Person A complains to F90 and he sees what I have done and returns the Nyx to Person A leaving me with nothing. Essentially this is what he has done here, and you believe this is the right thing to do. Scenario 2 - Muddy Waters I have a Nyx and I offer it for sale using F90 as a 3rd party. Before it sells I manage to take a Nyx from Person A. Person A complains to F90 that I stole a Nyx and I have a Nyx for sale through him. Its obvious what I have done.. Does F90 return the other Nyx to make up for the loss? Should he? Scenario 3 - The con I have a Nyx and I offer it for sale using F90 as a 3rd party. Person A doesn't like me very much and fabricates a lot of evidence that I stole the Nyx from him. Person A complains to F90 that I stole the Nyx from him. F90 believes him. Does F90 return the Nyx? Obviously he shouldn't, but he doesn't know its a con, so im going with yes he will. Scenario 4 - Friends helping friends I have a Nyx and I offer it for sale using F90 as a 3rd party. My alliance is at war with another alliance and im going to use the ISK to help fund the war. F90 is friendly with the alliance I am at war with. He is asked (even pressured) buy the other alliance to give them the Nyx. Will he give it to them? My whole point is, in a situation where you are relying 100% on trust, why would you trust someone that has already proven they cant be trusted? there is a VERY big different from a 1 out of 2 in the whole universe ship and something like a mom/titan which you can just make again. he returned it since it is a extreme collectible which should not be destroyed by some moron with to much isk that don't have the sense of how much it is really worth.
Siona Windweaver Placeholder Holdings	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:36:00 - [107] Originally by: Nekmet Awai Awesomely done :D would use such a third party.. like that at least some still have morale ingame ;) Except it has nothing to do with morale. This is either sucking up to molle, or getting insane amounts of ISK from molle to steal it. Either way makes him a scammer.
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:37:00 - [108] Read the whole thread, interesting story. Could someone give me some back story and tell me how that guy stole the ships from BOB (whoever) in the first place? Must have happened before I started forum whoring.
Faekurias Raptus Regalitor Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:47:00 - [109] What if you buy something from someone, something unique or whatever, you then get bored of it and quickly sell it. Now it turns out the one you bought it from had scammed or stolen it. What happens then ? -------------------------
KeLLaX Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:51:00 - [110] Originally by: Dianabolic Regardless of whether the State Raven is returned to Molle I find it more than amusing that a thief got scammed. Well played. this... :)
Dahlia Houghton Blood Traders Incorporated	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:16:00 - [111] Well now I feel more competent about the thefts I've done. Congrats to all.
Lana's Alt Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:38:00 - [112] Edited by: Lana''s Alt on 07/09/2009 10:44:00 Edited by: Lana''s Alt on 07/09/2009 10:38:52 Originally by: Nekmet Awai there is a VERY big different from a 1 out of 2 in the whole universe ship and something like a mom/titan which you can just make again. he returned it since it is a extreme collectible which should not be destroyed by some moron with to much isk that don't have the sense of how much it is really worth. Well OK.. Replace the word Nyx in all of those examples for "Damage Control II BPO". Does that help? I mean there are quite a few of those but they are still extremely rare and of very limited supply in the universe of eve. Would be be OK to do the same thing with a T2 BPO? Where is the line between it being ok and not ok? And the most important question of all, who gets to choose? Originally by: Ran Khanon So, he might not be trusted to be a good FENCE but I would trust him as a third party with my RL bankroll, my car and my mother. Whereas you would drive off to the horizon yelling 'so long, sucker!', dumping my mum at the first gas station and spending my money on booze, guns and ammo. There is a big difference, Lana :) See scenario number 3. This scenario highlights the danger of trusting F90 with your items now. He can be swayed by popular belief, forum whoring and/or 'evidence'. Trusted 3rd parties should never, under any circumstance be anything other than 100% trustworthy. This is simply a case of F90 giving his word and then breaking it. If you trust F90 with your isk or items now then he is a great scammer and you are setting yourself up for a massive loss when he decides you have done something wrong (or he wants to keep your unique). Edit: As I cant post for another 5 mins, I have updated a whole new section in to this post.
Djuma Nihilist The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:51:00 - [113] DECEPTION
annoing Amarr Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2009.09.07 11:01:00 - [114] I nominate myself to be a trusted neutral 3rd party service from now on. ... go on, give me 180bil in isk for a trade and i'll guarentee it will go to the correct person. Originally by: Zeba Its all the pron. Fappy people are happy people
Spaztick Terminal Impact	Posted - 2009.09.07 11:07:00 - [115] [21:18:10] SFShootme > first a carrier that goes boom, then mr viper had to find one of my goon alts, and now i'm down 182b ;( Mhhm, I found a new quote for my signature. Quote: [21:18:10] SFShootme > first a carrier that goes boom, then mr viper had to find one of my goon alts, and now i'm down 182b ;(
Annu Minmatar Satanic Nu Nu	Posted - 2009.09.07 11:17:00 - [116] Well played F9 imo. sfs u chump
Ceralio The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2009.09.07 11:56:00 - [117] This thread is ending up to be quite lol'ish, haha.
Lana's Alt Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.07 12:04:00 - [118] Originally by: Ceralio This thread is ending up to be quite lol'ish, haha. And you... Contracts mother****er.. Can you use them?
Saul Reaver Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.09.07 12:12:00 - [119] Originally by: Ceralio Loosing your neutrality as a 3rd party guy to give the ship back to Molle. Not that i rlly care, i still got 2 more unique ships. Well played tough. F90OEX > np, this is not about the isk. SFS... don;t know how to stay this but this ship is going back to the righfull owner/s .... whoever that might be. I dont need the isk from it nor do I need the ship, but what u did was not right. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....WAIT.............HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA One down two to go
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.09.07 12:21:00 - [120] Where were all these All Seeing Eyes when they were originally needed?

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