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Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2009.09.09 00:50:00 - [31] Originally by: Gnulpie Respect for stepping back! This is no small step considering all the work invested. CCP - going public with this and revealing as much as possible is a really good step. Well done! Finally, losing a CMS seat over just a few billion isk is really, arg, so stuuuuupid! I mean, if it were hundreds of billions, okay, maybe understandable. But not even ten bil? groan I think I will never understand such behaviour, it is completely unrational. Considering what you lose and what you could gain.... All in all, this is pretty well dealt with and all the open statements are very good! Definitely, I'm pretty impressed with the open way this was dealt with and reported on. Ordinarily players have a privacy privilege extended to them when they're banned but in the case of CSMs or CCP employees I've always thought it very important to be open and transparent about it. I like the way this was handled, and it serves as a reminder that CCP takes its confidentiality agreements and internal affairs very seriously. By the way, Gnulpie, he didn't just lose his seat on the CSM. The devblog mentions that since he broke an NDA he signed, they also banned his EVE accounts. That's got to hurt D:. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
50freefly Caldari Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.09.09 00:51:00 - [32] SCUMBAGGERY? FROM MY PIRATE DELEGATE? This will be dealt with.
Ma Eies	Posted - 2009.09.09 01:03:00 - [33] Originally by: Zastrow J Other than this event, on what facts are you basing a claim that the CSM is useless, i'm pretty curious The entire concept is useless, players telling ccp ideas and concerns, doesn't that sound like the forums?
mazzilliu	Posted - 2009.09.09 01:04:00 - [34] Edited by: mazzilliu on 09/09/2009 01:05:58 Originally by: 50freefly SCUMBAGGERY? FROM MY PIRATE DELEGATE? This will be dealt with. best post Originally by: Ma Eies Originally by: Zastrow J Other than this event, on what facts are you basing a claim that the CSM is useless, i'm pretty curious The entire concept is useless, players telling ccp ideas and concerns, doesn't that sound like the forums? i thought so too, but then i actually showed up in iceland and realized that the CSM has a pretty clarifying effect on the usual rabble of the forums. also people tend to behave when its possible to get thrown out. MAZZILLIU 2009. CHANGE I CAN IMPOSE ON YOU.
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.09.09 01:08:00 - [35] Quote: Finally, losing a CMS seat over just a few billion isk is really, arg, so stuuuuupid! I mean, if it were hundreds of billions, okay, maybe understandable. But not even ten bil? groan I think I will never understand such behaviour, it is completely unrational. Considering what you lose and what you could gain.... 2.5 (actually 5b, he spent that much on two different characters) does not sound like a lot. However, what if they decided to rebalance the R64s and make the other minerals more valuable? Neodymium, for example, could increase in price to a mere 10% of Promethium's current value as a result of theoretical changes and a 5b investment would yield a hefty profit.
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.09.09 01:11:00 - [36] Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Total scumbag.
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2009.09.09 01:12:00 - [37] Originally by: Ma Eies Originally by: Zastrow J Other than this event, on what facts are you basing a claim that the CSM is useless, i'm pretty curious The entire concept is useless, players telling ccp ideas and concerns, doesn't that sound like the forums? Think of the CSM as a distillery for ideas. Players on the forums have in the past contributed some great ideas that were eventually implemented. But if CCP wanted to trawl the forums and in-game avenues for ideas today, they'd need to have one or two full time employees just to collect the best ideas and write them up as proposals. With the CSM, players have a way to present ideas, discuss them among each other and develop proposals. The CSMs then act as a filtering mechanism to decide which ideas are important or promising enough to bring to the devs. So for the cost of a few flights to Iceland and a few forums, CCP will ideally get all of the best ideas from the forums and in-game as well as vital feedback from players on what they like and don't like. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Wotcher Renyolds	Posted - 2009.09.09 01:14:00 - [38] why not just tell people what it was, it's not like people didn't already figure it out and clear jita out of the moongold at issue
Mr Frog Amphibian Enterprises	Posted - 2009.09.09 01:28:00 - [39] Good job, would vote for Larkonis Again.
WarDecEvading NPCCorpAlt	Posted - 2009.09.09 02:03:00 - [40] Originally by: Ma Eies Originally by: Zastrow J Other than this event, on what facts are you basing a claim that the CSM is useless, i'm pretty curious The entire concept is useless, players telling ccp ideas and concerns, doesn't that sound like the forums? Does the term "signal to noise ratio" mean anything?

Maren Maen	Posted - 2009.09.09 02:04:00 - [41] lol... just lol..
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.09.09 02:04:00 - [42] Originally by: Wotcher Renyolds why not just tell people what it was, it's not like people didn't already figure it out and clear jita out of the moongold at issue Him keeping his mouth shut is probably one of the conditions for not getting perma-banned. ;)
Wotcher Renyolds	Posted - 2009.09.09 02:11:00 - [43] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Originally by: Wotcher Renyolds why not just tell people what it was, it's not like people didn't already figure it out and clear jita out of the moongold at issue Him keeping his mouth shut is probably one of the conditions for not getting perma-banned. ;) i meant ccp, the cat is out of the bag
Aethrwolf Caldari Home for Wayward Gamers	Posted - 2009.09.09 02:47:00 - [44] Kudos for owning up to a move made in a moment of weakness. Not the easiest thing to do. I have to ask though (and you should ask yourself).. if you had not been caught, would you have still owned up to it? If the answer is "no" or some variant thereof.. then You should probably not run again. not flaming, btw. Absolutely everything is subjective.
Issler Dainze Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord	Posted - 2009.09.09 02:57:00 - [45] So uhm, wow! I am definitely committed to the idea of the CSM and will gladly serve the remainder of the term, however, not if me assuming Lark's term would preclude me from serving as a full CSM should I be elected again. Should I finish this term I would have missed the most important part of the CSM opportunities. I would not have been able to bring any of the issues I felt were important to the table before the CSM/CCP Iceland meeting and I would NOT have been in Iceland to meet the devs to discuss the important issues facing the Eve community. I am hoping that CCP will announce that I will still be eligible to seek reelection to the CSM for an additional term as finishing Lark's term is more administrative then productive. I certainly can't be sure to be elected again but I want to know the option is still available to me. Also CCP, emailing me so I could learn about this before you put it in a dev blog might have been nice! Issler P.S. CCP, if you can find a way to supply me with some nonni's lamb subs in a reasonably fresh form we could open negotionations... :-)
50freefly Caldari Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.09.09 03:01:00 - [46] Edited by: 50freefly on 09/09/2009 03:01:56 Originally by: Issler Dainze So uhm, wow! I am definitely committed to the idea of the CSM and will gladly serve the remainder of the term, however, not if me assuming Lark's term would preclude me from serving as a full CSM should I be elected again. Should I finish this term I would have missed the most important part of the CSM opportunities. I would not have been able to bring any of the issues I felt were important to the table before the CSM/CCP Iceland meeting and I would NOT have been in Iceland to meet the devs to discuss the important issues facing the Eve community. I am hoping that CCP will announce that I will still be eligible to seek reelection to the CSM for an additional term as finishing Lark's term is more administrative then productive. I certainly can't be sure to be elected again but I want to know the option is still available to me. Also CCP, emailing me so I could learn about this before you put it in a dev blog might have been nice! Issler P.S. CCP, if you can find a way to supply me with some nonni's lamb subs in a reasonably fresh form we could open negotionations... :-) Quit ***ing you tremendous *got and be grateful your unelected ass is on the CSM at all.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.09.09 03:22:00 - [47] Now, lets take a moment and reflect on the great e-honor that Lark and his fellow Neo Spartans have.. Oh wai.. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Issler Dainze Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord	Posted - 2009.09.09 03:30:00 - [48] So thinking about the last CSM election, several candidates held their virtual lack of "character" as a plus. So some of them were elected so when it came to talk about major issues directly with the folks that can make Eve better one CSM could not participate. "You get the government you deserve". Issler
Lana's Alt Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.09 04:05:00 - [49] AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Next year im voting for Cat \o/
IVeige	Posted - 2009.09.09 05:16:00 - [50] Originally by: Lana's Alt AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Next year im voting for Cat \o/ When you think things couldnt be worse, someone is showing up to remind you that they could be lol...

Ess Erbe Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.09.09 05:42:00 - [51] Thought it was a goon, left disappointed.
Guilty Man Minmatar Guilty People	Posted - 2009.09.09 05:43:00 - [52] Hurry traders! Check your market transactions, see what Larkonis Trassler has bought from you!
Jarnis McPieksu Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.09 06:31:00 - [53] +1 respect for the Internal Affairs team.
Miyamoto Isoruku Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.09.09 06:45:00 - [54] So is Larkonis perma-banned, or what?
Leana Darkrider Minmatar Creatio -ex- nihilo The Donkey Rollers	Posted - 2009.09.09 06:47:00 - [55] CCP, thank you for the transparancy, good to know your internal affairs are working as intended. ______________________________________ If only EVE could cook, if only....
something somethingdark	Posted - 2009.09.09 07:02:00 - [56] so is he banned or did he step down ? Also if hes not banned i shall vote for him if he runs for CSM again as he represents 95% of EvE's poppulation.
Kile Kitmoore	Posted - 2009.09.09 07:06:00 - [57] Great job on internal audit and the communication! Should this be classified as Larkonis's dead hooker or live boy political scandal, or neither and he will be back?
Tamahra Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch	Posted - 2009.09.09 07:07:00 - [58] Edited by: Tamahra on 09/09/2009 07:07:56 Originally by: Gnulpie tl;dr I just read that some CSM tried to made a little profit by using insider information and then stepped back. Three things I want to say about this: Respect for stepping back! This is no small step considering all the work invested. CCP - going public with this and revealing as much as possible is a really good step. Well done! Finally, losing a CMS seat over just a few billion isk is really, arg, so stuuuuupid! I mean, if it were hundreds of billions, okay, maybe understandable. But not even ten bil? groan I think I will never understand such behaviour, it is completely unrational. Considering what you lose and what you could gain.... All in all, this is pretty well dealt with and all the open statements are very good! Gnulpie, while i think you are a quality forum poster, and i respect your posts, this one is uberly naive. CCP, please dont delete or edit the following. You started an open discussion, and the expression of anyones mood should be allowed without ANY restrictions. Here goes: That former csm guy is such a huge as.shole, its hard to find any appropriate words for it. In my opinion, he should be found in real life and hung up the highest tree. The whole playerbase and the game benefits a HUGE lot from the CSM thing. You see it in every bigger update, how CCP REALLY care about what players want, and how they listen to their playerbase through the CSM. This brings new players in, and makes existing players even happier with the game. Thats why this guy has done such a huge lot of damage. He broke the trust between CCP and the CSM, because of personal greed, and didnt care one second what effects this will have on the game and the community. The effects this will probably have: CCP will trust the CSM less, and the influence the CSM has, will decrease. This in return will lead to less effective direct communication between CCP and the playerbase. And this is bad for those, who really care about the game and want to play it for many years to come. I HOPE THIS S.WINE HAS ALL HIS ACCOUNTS BANNED FOREVER. F.UCK YOU, I HOPE YOU BURN IN HELL FOREVER!!!!!! Dust514
Ess Erbe Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.09.09 07:29:00 - [59] Originally by: Tamahra That former csm guy is such a huge as.shole, its hard to find any appropriate words for it. In my opinion, he should be found in real life and hung up the highest tree. cheating in a computer game how dare he
rubico1337 Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2009.09.09 07:40:00 - [60] Originally by: WarDecEvading NPCCorpAlt It's kiNd of a shamE to see this sOrt of thing come up, but it woulD probablY have been a better idea to not announce the exact date and aMount of stuff that he bought. CombIned with the fact that he was "stocking up", which woUld iMply it was a commodity with enough volume to be "stocked" but still of a limited-enough scope that it would become volatile and exploitable, the list of things it could be gets narrowed down a lot. It would be kind of ironic if the speculators figured it out and bought out the entire Jita market's supply, and owners of it started hoarding it, because that would make this blog post more damaging than the actual incident. I'm not saying I know what it is, but you've practically spelled it out, which might not have been a great move. internal affars really have some metal, seems like they have kept the reaction very confined. to bad no one is mining for information. Originally by: Lana Torrin I'm getting pretty ****ed off with the supposedly hard core PvPers complaining about every little thing that gets changed. seriously, more tears than carebears.



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