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vasuul
BLUE M00N Fetish Group
Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:06:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:
Which I assume you mean to be that you do not want to use the tree view at all on basic principle? The team are doing everything they can to make this of minimal impact to you, but the tree view itself is not going anywhere so I hope that you can come to terms with it in some way.
I hope you can come to terms with ,the fact that we all hate your file tree view
and it is the total stubbornness of CPP to change their ways that really gets us irritated
you promise us open communication, you promise us that you will listen to our input , then we realize we might as well be talking to a brick wall
here is an idea i posted earlier in another thread on this subject
put the tabs on the neo com panel one for ship, one for personal hangar , and one for corp each will open in a separate window with one click when you open the corp this way give us the old style with the tabs
now you have your precious unified inventory and you also have the view that we are used to allow the customers to choose
and keep track of which is used the most you want feedback this is the best way to get it
you could even have the listing in a drop down so we can choose what hangars to add to the neocom
Or you can continue stick your head in the sand ( or somewhere else the sun don't shine) and pretend there is not a problem and that your customers don't matter , that you are the all knowing alpha and omega and that your opinions matter more than your customers
PS having this inventory pop up in missions when you loot a can is irritating as frack at least give us back the loot all button
and don't make us open cargo hold unless we want to
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vasuul
BLUE M00N Fetish Group
Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.13 15:28:00 -
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I still say if you put this to a vote ,you will find more people are saying roll it back
that was a good video post of the botch up
But one detail it did not go into, was corp hangars and members hangars .
and if you use the tree and just drag and drop on the tree you have to be fast , or else goodbye to the window you are dragging from
also if i have a can in the corp hangar tab and i want to look in it if i click on the can with a right click and say open
IT KICKS ME BACK TO MY CARGO HOLD ON MY SHIP rather than opening the can
if i go to the stupid tree yeah i can open it and even open it in a new window
Also keep in mind i am getting old ,and as i get older my eyesight ,is not as good as it used to be
with chat this is no problem cause you can increase font size a bit
With this tree i find my self squinting to read what i am looking for
the old corp tabs were big enough you could read em
Like i say for young people this might not be a problem but for us older farts that love eve too its a BIG problem
Is there anything that can be done about this ????? if we have to keep the tree lets at least make the font size adjustable
Thank you
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vasuul
BLUE M00N Fetish Group
Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.13 15:55:00 -
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Dream Five wrote:Very simple solution. Post a poll on front page of EVE:
DO YOU PREFER THE NEW UI TO THE OLD UI
[ ] YES [x] NO
End of story and speculation.
And of course don't doctor the numbers.
Or someone could just do the poll spamming the link to a third party website in Jita.
AMEN TO THIS ^^ |
vasuul
BLUE M00N Fetish Group
Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.13 18:13:00 -
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Dream Five wrote:ZaBob wrote:Dream Five wrote:I made an online poll here. Surprisingly it seems that CCP is still not convinced that the UI is bad, both the concept and implementation. I guess we can try to figure out the truth, since the opinion to roll back to old ui that most people here share can be dismissed as "vocal minority". http://gopollgo.com/is-inferno-unified-ui-in-eve-better-than-the-old-uiPlease vote and spread the word. OK, I voted, but I don't think it's a good idea, albeit well-motivated. Mostly, it's a bad idea because of selection bias. Spreading the word may help alleviate the bias, if the spreading is relatively unbiased. Since you've gone and done it, I may try to spread it within our alliance. There's a bias there, but less than "people who come to this thread to complain". So far, the results are more positive than I would have expected; if the poll were based on a good sample, that would be even more interesting. My other problem with the poll is that it is too narrow. I voted "It's terrible", but if it were integrated with assets instead, I'd have voted positive, myself. And I'd really like to understand what people like (I might learn something I can integrate into my workflow). And it would be helpful to know which aspects people don't like. I'm going to hold off on broadcasting this, in hopes that CCP Goliath (or someone) would seek out the data in a more careful way, perhaps with more detailed questions and a random sample. I was actually contemplating suggesting it in response to his 'Metrics > Hyperbole' comment. I posted it in Jita. Jita should be pretty unbiased i'd say. Besides what makes you think that people who post and read on forums are biased? Because they are more of power users? I agree that there is more detail to it but the basic problem right now seems to be that CCP doesn't believe that enough people out there really dislike this new UI and would rather go back to the old UI.
I voted.............. i also posted it in 5 systems in the citadel, and posted it once in eve radio ,
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vasuul
BLUE M00N Fetish Group
Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:24:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Dream Five wrote:It appears there are some weird shenanigans going on.. first i posted a poll: http://gopollgo.com/is-inferno-unified-ui-in-eve-better-than-the-old-uii'm looking at it right now. There's 63/8/2/22 vote coming from the UK which works out to 66% fantastic :) This is the link CCP Goliath replied to. I suspect it was distributed to CCP UK office. Now if you look at this poll which i modified and it was distributed at 5 major trade hubs: http://gopollgo.com/is-unified-inventory-in-eve-inferno-expansion-better-than-the-old-inventoryThe numbers are completely different 37/55/52/80 for the UK, making it 17/25/23/36% for fantastic/better/worse/terrible The only plausible conclusion seems to be that CCP actually bothered to doctor the first poll that I posted. I'm not sure why they would bother to do that but I can't think of any other explanation.. While your theory amuses me, I would just like to note that not only did I not tell anyone about this poll, for the reasons that I told you above, but the fact that you cannot accept that anyone at all would vote for one of the good options proves why you should not be running this poll in the first place. Our Newcastle office have better things to do with their time than "doctoring your poll". Also, the fact that you made a second poll just further invalidates your first one, because once people have voted for a poll they are pretty unlikely to vote in a second, nearly identical one.
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vasuul
BLUE M00N Fetish Group
Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:13:00 -
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sorry but it comes off to me like this
Player : Everyone i talk to hates the new UI
CCP : you are exaggerating your position not everyone disagrees with this , It would be impossible to say everyone
after and 9 out of 10 dentists prefer trident sugarless even they couldn't get a consensus of everyone
No one has ever carried a 100 % of a vote before there is always differing opinions you WILL adapt give it time
player: fine i can't speak for everyone but the people i talk to don't like it
CCP: exactly you can't speak for everyone, in fact we consider you the vocal minority ,i hope you can come to terms with that
you WILL adapt give it time
Player : this UI is missing a lot of the function of the old one it is clunky and cumbersome and takes three times longer to use
CCP That's because this is the new and improved UI its not supposed to function like the old ,if it did it wouldn't be NEW would it ?? you WILL adapt give it time
Player : what was wrong with the old UI ?
CCP : i already answered that, and you WILL adapt give it time
Player : when ?
CCP : Earlier
Player : why cant we have the old one back ?
CCP : because this is the new and improved UI look it even has a TREE you will ADAPT
Player : I know , but i don't care for the tree Trees belong in forests not in a game
CCP : ah but you are the vocal minority you will Adapt
Player : one of the things the tutorial drilled in was when in doubt RICK CLICK now when i try that it does not function the same
CCP: that's because it is the NEW and improved inventory it is not supposed to function the same or it would not be new and improved
Player : NO this is not an improvement this is a mess , the window wont stay in place ,the cans in the corp hanger wont open
unless i use the tree
i cant get into the cargo one one ship with out it kicking me back to the other one now i have to shift click VS. just use the mouse every time i open a can in a mission it opens the UI and takes up half the screen , used to the corp hangar had tabs that were easy to see and there was a separate window by default that now i don't get even though i liked it ,the first time you open your corp hangar in station on the tree it lags to beat hell i practically need a magnifying glass to see the tree not that i want it anyway
CCP : that's because this is the NEW and IMPROVED UI we are sorry you don't like it as we said before you are the vocal minority and we don't need a survey to tell us that , you must adapt , I hope you can come to TERMS with that
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vasuul
BLUE M00N Fetish Group
Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.14 16:34:00 -
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anyone want to have a laugh at this sick joke of an inventory i invite to to see this the original post
it went on until after it went live on the test server
notice the change in comments before page 13 and after page 13
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=104383&p=13
from page 13 on you will not see very many positive comments
I mean you must take into account that those after page 13 must be that vocal minority RIGHT  |
vasuul
BLUE M00N Fetish Group
Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.14 16:49:00 -
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oh and this forum thread
is almost all venom toward the UI
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112481&p=70
but again its the VOCAL minority
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