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Nazowa
UK Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.05 05:36:00 -
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Start with the stations first. Try and calculate how big Jita 4-4 needs to be |
Minimal Charisma
Padded Sell
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Posted - 2012.06.05 05:39:00 -
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Nazowa wrote:Start with the stations first. Try and calculate how big Jita 4-4 needs to be
+1 Just scale x10 and re-skin at higher res would be better than existing. |
Ling Ding Poi
Running with Knives Nexus Fleet
0
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Posted - 2012.06.05 06:34:00 -
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Most have probably seen this but for those that haven't... EVE Ship Comparison (Amarr)
and the Gallente edition. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
404
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Posted - 2012.06.05 06:56:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:Will this ever be rectified?
Have you ever sat on a Titan in a Rifter surrounded by Maelstroms? It's plenty proportional. . |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
183
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Posted - 2012.06.05 07:32:00 -
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It all went out the window when they made the Zephyr. There is honest and truly no place to even link in a capsule. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
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Kerist Lafayette
The Lafayette Family
25
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Posted - 2012.06.05 08:00:00 -
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nat longshot wrote:machariel is 1,936 m long axis Thanatos 2,276 m long axis Raven 806m long axis.
park a mach along a thanatos the carrier just a hair longer to the size is right park a raven next to a mach the raven is less then half the size of the mach so size in game is right.
Read the stats of the before post something like this know your facts.
The Machariel is the longest bs in the game but its also the fasted bs in game why is that i dont know ask the angel cartel that built it but from what i have read in game Angel ships are built useing joven plains the angels found in old jove systems they now hold. but that what the back story to the angels said.
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
718
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Posted - 2012.06.05 08:23:00 -
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Selinate wrote:what are you talking about? I'm pretty sure they are, perspective is just hard to gain in a game like this...
Park a Megathron next to a Thanatos, then tell me you can fit two of those Megathrons INSIDE the Thanatos.
No, ship sizes are totally borked. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.05 09:09:00 -
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The lengths of the ships are about right. The Orca is 1451m long, the Hulk only 509m.
it's the volumes the are odd. The Orca's volume is listed at over 10,000,000m3, but the hulk is a mere 200,000m3. Now with three times the length I'd expect the Orca to be maybe 10 times the Hulks volume, not 50 times.
Also, why does the Orca have a ship maintenance bay that's a mere 1/25th (4%) of it's total volume??? |
Rushnik
Anhalter's Minions
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Posted - 2012.06.05 11:43:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote:Ginseng Jita wrote:Will this ever be rectified? One thing that particularly bugs me is that sometimes you get small ships with tons of windows giving an impression of large size, then you get large ships with fewer windows but they're bigger, making the ship look relatively smaller. But then again, using windows to indicate scale is itself a bit of a fail (see virtually all the space stations).
They can't make smaller windows on bigger hulls because the resolution of the texture is on all ships the same. Make them smaller on bigger ships -> you can't really see them anymore. Make them bigger on smaller ships -> not with the current texture resolution, you'd expect detail that isn't there.
Svarek wrote:Actually, ships would have to be symmetrical in some respects in space. You would have to take centers of mass and engine placement or strength into account. You can estimate the latter. if appearances aren't deceiving (low thrust - low glow, high thrust - high glow, etc).
It's perfectly plausible that you could have an asymmetric - structurally speaking - ship in space... and you seem to be alluding to this, Nat. But, in my opinion, many of the ships in Eve go beyond this to the point of making you wonder if there's any way they could ever buzz about as they do, being as unbalanced as they are.
This is absolutely correct. And I want to add another thought: How do some ships magically turn in EVE?
You'd need side thrusters for a 90-¦ turn. I have nothing against asymmetry but some ships just don't look believable.
Anyway, what bothers me the most is the proportions of the turret size to the ship and the wacky turret placement. It looks like the design of the ship is done before you'd even know its stats and exact turret amount, with margins for navy and T2 versions.
I adress this here. Its not exactly a new idea, but as they are reworking some models right now I figured to propose the idea of a complete overhaul over the years, because as it is now they are only fixing it up. Maybe they will consider changing some 'odd' ship designs to a bit less odd ones. With some ideas I could improve my proposal.
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Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.06.05 13:30:00 -
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I've never been bothered about ship proportions apart from those 'Ships of EVE' posters you can get, where the Thrasher is four times the size of a cruiser.
What gets to me is that a jetcan has more than 7 times the capacity of a GSC, but when you see them together in belts the GSC is 4 times the size of the jetcan. |
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Jett0
Team Kitty Choke Slam
122
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Posted - 2012.06.05 16:21:00 -
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Coming to a V4'd EVE near you? Occasionally plays sober |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
548
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Posted - 2012.06.05 16:31:00 -
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I want to know which pocket dimension an SMA can store a freighter in. Or even how exactly it gets inside. |
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries SRS.
197
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Posted - 2012.06.05 16:45:00 -
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I agree, the mach is a great example of this. Enormous ship physically, but the fastest most agile bs. |
Forum Clone 77777
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.06.05 17:16:00 -
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Covert Kitty wrote:I agree, the mach is a great example of this. Enormous ship physically, but the fastest most agile bs. But if you look at the info on it, it says its a Jove design discovered by the Angel Cartel, could be a valid reason why its more agile and faster than smaller ships of its class. |
Winston Wolverbadger Nimrodican
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.05 17:39:00 -
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Yea....so tell me why the Providence is covered on top by thick ass armor but has zero underneath. The design engineer should be shot. |
stoicfaux
1091
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Posted - 2012.06.05 17:51:00 -
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nat longshot wrote: The Machariel is the longest bs in the game but its also the fasted bs in game why is that i dont know ask the angel cartel that built it but from what i have read in game Angel ships are built useing joven plains the angels found in old jove systems they now hold. but that what the back story to the angels said.
The Mach is huge because it is mostly hollow which makes it buoyant in Eve's submarine physics. Things that float really want to float "up" but since there is no "up" in space, the Mach becomes the equivalent of an ADD/ADHD child strung out on meth stuffed into a straight jacket and forced to lie still on a bed of nails. This "is buoyant but not allowed to be buoyant" pensive energy is what gives the Mach its great agility and speed.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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stoicfaux
1091
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Posted - 2012.06.05 17:53:00 -
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Winston Wolverbadger Nimrodican wrote:Yea....so tell me why the Providence is covered on top by thick ass armor but has zero underneath. The design engineer should be shot. Transparent aluminium armor.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
548
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Posted - 2012.06.05 17:56:00 -
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Winston Wolverbadger Nimrodican wrote:Yea....so tell me why the Providence is covered on top by thick ass armor but has zero underneath. The design engineer should be shot.
Those design patterns indicate two-dimensional thinking. |
Svarek
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.05 19:42:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Winston Wolverbadger Nimrodican wrote:Yea....so tell me why the Providence is covered on top by thick ass armor but has zero underneath. The design engineer should be shot. Those design patterns indicate two-dimensional thinking.
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN Grandpa Bill: "I remember my uncle Joe who used to go mining, back then it was easy to get black lung, but we called it coughing lung because we really didnt care what color it was, the coughing seemed like it should be in the title since he did so much of it." |
Ituhata Saken
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
253
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Posted - 2012.06.05 19:47:00 -
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Svarek wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:Winston Wolverbadger Nimrodican wrote:Yea....so tell me why the Providence is covered on top by thick ass armor but has zero underneath. The design engineer should be shot. Those design patterns indicate two-dimensional thinking. KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
No..... No, you can't get away! From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee. You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~ |
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Mastin Dragonfly
No Point of Dispute Point of Dispute
5
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Posted - 2012.06.05 20:22:00 -
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Rushnik wrote:Anyway, what bothers me the most is the proportions of the turret size to the ship and the wacky turret placement. It looks like the design of the ship is done before you'd even know its stats and exact turret amount, with margins for navy and T2 versions.
I get very annoyed at most ships with an uneven amount of turrets, it always looks like crap, for instance the Harbinger, the Machariel and with the new launcher models the Sacrilege also went down the drain. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
806
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Posted - 2012.06.05 20:37:00 -
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A note on "thruster" placement.
The visual thrusters in EVE aren't thrusters. They are exhaust. Same as the pipe on the rear of a car. EVE propulsion is non Newtonian, so from that standpoint, shape doesn't matter.
Moa is still ugly though... wonder why it looks like a chicken with a briefcase. |
Haldor Rune
State War Academy Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2012.06.05 20:41:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Moa is still ugly though... wonder why it looks like a chicken with a briefcase. Because the Caldari are very business-minded, so it'd just be silly if the chicken didn't have a briefcase.
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stoicfaux
1091
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Posted - 2012.06.05 20:48:00 -
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Haldor Rune wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Moa is still ugly though... wonder why it looks like a chicken with a briefcase. Because the Caldari are very business-minded, so it'd just be silly if the chicken didn't have a briefcase. But in a world of networked PDAs, what would one need a briefcase for?
/develop_sudden_paranoia_about_space_chickens
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Covert Kitty
SRS Industries SRS.
198
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Posted - 2012.06.05 21:01:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Winston Wolverbadger Nimrodican wrote:Yea....so tell me why the Providence is covered on top by thick ass armor but has zero underneath. The design engineer should be shot. Transparent aluminium armor.
Don't be silly, it's protected by god and the promise of divine retribution carried out at the hands of the Amarrian faithful should anyone try to harm it.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
769
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Posted - 2012.06.05 21:09:00 -
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There are two schools in the art of designing fantasy starships:
- Function makes the shape. - Shape it and f... function!
Guess to which school belong EVE starships... EVE is Serious Business: You shall not feel entitled to being allowed to play EVE just because you are paying it. |
Rushnik
Anhalter's Minions
1
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Posted - 2012.06.05 21:30:00 -
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Then why don't we change that a lil bit? Should't be to hard.. we have infinite time. |
Cavel Avada
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.06.05 21:35:00 -
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Haldor Rune wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Moa is still ugly though... wonder why it looks like a chicken with a briefcase. Because the Caldari are very business-minded, so it'd just be silly if the chicken didn't have a briefcase.
I lol'd. Funniest thing I've read all day. |
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