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Lord KesH
Incarnation of Evil
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Posted - 2009.09.17 10:47:00 -
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Ok i see you locked the other post i made without giving it any kinda thought to whether anyone had ideas or similar, being a guy that's not completely fluent in english i had to look "ranting" up on wikipedia. I might disagree with that exact statement, but whatever :)
Anyways -
Some ideas could be:
- Special areas where you can only access when you have hit 100mill sp.
- At 150mill sp you get a jove frigate or the like
All my other post (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1180343) was intended to do was to create a discussion about what CCP could do for the high sp players.
I might not have great ideas my self, i realize that, but maybe someone else does.
Thanks again
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FISHANDCHIPS
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Posted - 2009.09.17 11:04:00 -
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eve isnt wow there should be any "special" places to go if youve been here longer and you should get "special" stuff just because you have more SP than the next guy
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Pikov Andropov
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Posted - 2009.09.17 11:05:00 -
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why dont you go back to wikipedia and look up "elitism"
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Lord KesH
Incarnation of Evil
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Posted - 2009.09.17 11:19:00 -
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I wasn't trying to create a post where flaming is free for the taking, i was actually trying to get a constructive discussion going.
And i did make a point to say that i know my ideas wasn't great in any way.
So please keep it on a non personal level.
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Therese Law
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.17 11:24:00 -
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agree in a bit, would be nice with some credit that i have payed and enjoyed the game for such long time. and dedication to something should always pay off.
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Sigras
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Posted - 2009.09.17 11:25:00 -
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in contrast to the other two posters, ill try to be more on the constructive end of constructive criticism . . . the problem i see with adding special areas/ships simply for having more SP than the next guy is it really does feed into the WoW mentality where you have to keep releasing more and new shiny things to keep people interested; eve is supposed to be a self perpetuating system. In other words, eve would still work years after the devs abandon it if they keep the server running, but wow would end rather quickly as players would run out of content to keep people interested
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Lord KesH
Incarnation of Evil
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Posted - 2009.09.17 11:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Sigras
in contrast to the other two posters, ill try to be more on the constructive end of constructive criticism . . . the problem i see with adding special areas/ships simply for having more SP than the next guy is it really does feed into the WoW mentality where you have to keep releasing more and new shiny things to keep people interested; eve is supposed to be a self perpetuating system. In other words, eve would still work years after the devs abandon it if they keep the server running, but wow would end rather quickly as players would run out of content to keep people interested
I agree on this - I do still love eve and will keep on playing, i haven't played wow for more than 14 days, so i cannot comment on how the game mechanics work there.
I know that the special areas is a long shot. :) But im not a person that comes up with great ideas thou.
I see just that in real life, you have something like bonus programs for Hotels, Airlines, Malls and most other businesses.
As Therese Law says, it would just be nice to see a little credit for us who have been playing the game for such a long time.
Doesn't have to be sp based, you could also say, that on your 5 or 10 years day there will be a present waiting for you.
Something like it
Thanks again for a good post Sigras.
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eXeGee
UK1 Zero
KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.09.17 11:39:00 -
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Edited by: eXeGee on 17/09/2009 11:40:11
Well if i get it right, you're playing eve for like 5 years and you want something extra than 6mo player don't have.
You know what? Maybe you can't realise it, but you already have it. It's the SPs amount - you can easily outmatch any newer player. Don't get me wrong, but isn't this enough?
And if you don't like your ridiculous-high-sp toon anymore, hand it to me. I ensure you i'll make good use of it. 
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Sjors Boomschors
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Posted - 2009.09.17 11:43:00 -
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Having a lot of skill points does not make a player a good player or even a god. The way you play the game makes you the player you really are, so play it, live it and take it the way things are.
The gaol in this game is not to obtain lots of skill points by being a member for years. It is all about playing the game, enjoying the game, making friend and enemies.
Players should never get stuff for free.
EVE game concept:
New players can enter the game at any point in time and enjoy the entire game in a short period of game play without having to earn anything.
CCP follows this concept so do not expect any special treatment
(this information is generally known by any player)
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Sigras
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Posted - 2009.09.17 12:03:00 -
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i am a sucker for stuff that doesnt do anything in game but is just cool, my ares is faster and more efficient, but my apothesis is Jovian and way cooler. it would be cool to get some kind of item/stat on your character that was nothing but a brag about how long you've been in game . . . like how my CEO has no employment history it just means hes been in game longer than the employment history . . . its cool
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NurseBob
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Posted - 2009.09.17 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: NurseBob on 17/09/2009 12:26:21
So when I get to level 150, I mean 150sp, I get a jove frig spell? I mean ship. Just one question does it come with the GM console and a free subscription?
Didnt think so, CCP make some more skills and ships and classes and stuff, we will need alot very soon as there are already players in the game who can fly everything and t2 fit it, and for some(not me) that is all there is in this game. I can fly evey ship = LEVEL 75
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Players should never get stuff for free.
What about christmas?
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Sigras
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Posted - 2009.09.17 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: NurseBob
Edited by: NurseBob on 17/09/2009 12:26:21
So when I get to level 150, I mean 150sp, I get a jove frig spell? I mean ship. Just one question does it come with the GM console and a free subscription?
ive gotta say its a mentality like this that makes me want to say old players get nothing at all
Originally by: NurseBob
Didnt think so, CCP make some more skills and ships and classes and stuff, we will need alot very soon as there are already players in the game who can fly everything and t2 fit it, and for some(not me) that is all there is in this game. I can fly evey ship = LEVEL 75
man im sorry, but if you can fly every ship in the game at your age i guarantee that i can beat beat you in PVP in most of the ships that i fly. Just because you can fly a ship doesnt mean it you can fly it well.
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Ydyp Ieva
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.09.17 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sigras
man im sorry, but if you can fly every ship in the game at your age i guarantee that i can beat beat you in PVP in most of the ships that i fly. Just because you can fly a ship doesnt mean it you can fly it well.
But I could get a ship that would counter yours fully. Which a newer player can't because he doesn't have that option.
And that is more then enough for an older player, no need for special places or stuff. And if you want a ship that required certain amount of SP train for a titan, and enjoy being stuck in that ship for a long time to come.
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Lord KesH
Incarnation of Evil
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Posted - 2009.09.17 18:00:00 -
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Again as Sigras states which I agree on, its not about getting new ships or getting something ubah.
Its about the acknowledgement of loyalty to the game.
If its just a small token on your profile or whatever, that doesnÆt really matter.
It would just be nice to see CCP do something for the older players.
To comment on what eXeGee is saying, yes ofc I realize that I have more sp, and I am happy about it. So I agree to what youÆre saying.
As per it being enough? Sure most of the way it is.
ItÆs not about having Titan at 5 or being able to afford it or anything.
What it comes down to me as I stated before is that, itÆs just a matter of acknowledgement to the people who have played the game for a long time.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Biotronics Inc.
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.09.17 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 17/09/2009 18:15:43
Loking at how on the one end new players complain that it is impossible to catch up, and on the other end veteran players say that it isn't worth playing anymore, I'm inclined to sum it up as being balanced.
Any change on either of those fronts would just lead to more complaining, wouldn't it?
I mean, it's already hard enough to not bash both sides of that whining medal for being selfish and ignorant 
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Nevertheless, I'm always in favour of things which don't have any impact on gameplay and balance. Just fancy things, cool gimmicks, things you can possibly brag about, but which can't be used to wtfpwn someone.
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Kiva Aharan
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Posted - 2009.09.17 18:17:00 -
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Honestly I like that there aren't such things in the game.
It is much more egalitarian without the gold stars or whatnot you want to demonstrate the size of your epeen gained through playtime.
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Uronksur Suth
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.09.17 19:15:00 -
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Since the last thread was epic fail, and everyone thought your idea was awful, why are you trying again? 
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Huan CK
Gallente
GK inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.17 19:34:00 -
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Now, why would we want such a thing? I'm here for 3.5 years now, and I dont need to hide from younger players or tell them how 1337 I am just cause I've been here longer XD
Eve is set up in a way that ANYONE and EVERYONE can do pretty much anything, anywhere. You see, this is not a PVE game, its built around PvP mainly. Eve doesn't have levels that make you uber powerful, in eve, every ship, every player has its place, anywhere he goes, disregarding skill level and time spent in the game. Now, maybe a new player cannot fly a t2 fitted hac, and cannot afford to fly a faction battleship pimped with uber officer stuff, but if you're out there in the dirt, pvping, a 1 week old rifter pilot can be the saver of the day! This is what makes eve unique, and this is what makes eve great! You can be the newest newb, you still can be of value out in the field, as long as you find a role for yourself, disregarding the HUGE skill cap, which would leave you totally out of the frame and unable to participate in any other games. There's no need to catch up.
If you want to go to areas others cant go to, why dont you play single player games? IMO eve is the only real non-ego-shooter MMOG that really enables all its players to participate, right from the beginning. CCP is the only company I've experienced being able to truly manufacture a game that has huge gaps between old and young players without rendering the newcomers useless.
Good job, CCP, keep it up!
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Lord KesH
Incarnation of Evil
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Posted - 2009.09.17 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Uronksur Suth
Since the last thread was epic fail, and everyone thought your idea was awful, why are you trying again?
Dude cmon, this is no way to speak to people. Please keep the smack to your own channels ingame.
And the reason why im trying again is that i didnt get a response to the question i rose.
And tbh, its quite fast that this thread has gone out of what the original idea was about.
To Huan CK: Thanks, good post. I can agree with you to some extend, but not completely thou But good and constructive criticism.
And again, it was just to raise the question about if people had any ideas concerning this, its got nothing to do with epeen whatsoever.
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Typhado3
Minmatar
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.09.17 20:47:00 -
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how bout cheap clones? 
seriously my current ones cost 7 mil and I'm only at 60m sp. some ppl in game have to pay like 50 mil for their clones, that takes the fun out of flying a frigate.
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ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
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ArmyOfMe
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.09.17 21:01:00 -
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just wanted to drop by and say \o kesh, long time no see m8 :D
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Vixen Renault
Gallente
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.09.17 21:39:00 -
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I see no problems with veteran awards, but I would rather see them attached to how long your account has been active rather than skill point total since character sales are so prevalent.
I would love to see something like:
Account active 48 months: Ability to submit a custom logo for your corp if CEO.
Account active 36 months: Ability to custom skin your ships with colors/corp logo et al.
Account active 24 months: Recreate your character portrait without racially imposed templates.
As long as the result rewards customer loyalty with a tangible and useful reward without directly impacting game systems, then I would be all for it.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.09.17 22:09:00 -
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CCP thought about this problem in their initial design of EVE. They decided to reward veteran players by giving them more SP than other players.
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Zaiyo Modi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.17 22:17:00 -
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Maybe a delayed blast fireball talisman would suffice for the walking in station? 
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Lord KesH
Incarnation of Evil
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Posted - 2009.09.17 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Vixen Renault
I see no problems with veteran awards, but I would rather see them attached to how long your account has been active rather than skill point total since character sales are so prevalent.
I would love to see something like:
Account active 48 months: Ability to submit a custom logo for your corp if CEO.
Account active 36 months: Ability to custom skin your ships with colors/corp logo et al.
Account active 24 months: Recreate your character portrait without racially imposed templates.
As long as the result rewards customer loyalty with a tangible and useful reward without directly impacting game systems, then I would be all for it.
Great stuff, I really like this kinda input, its something like this that i was looking for.
Thanks very much for a good input :)
And yes hello Army o/ ^^
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Vixen Renault
Gallente
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.09.17 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
CCP thought about this problem in their initial design of EVE. They decided to reward veteran players by giving them more SP than other players.
This is clever and all. But who wants more sp? Right now I randomly pick things to train just because I don't want to not be training. For the most part I have all the sp's I need.
Now, being able to have a blue and yellow domi when everyone elses is puke green...that would be worth it.
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Jesica Altor
Caldari
Intergalatic Munitions and Mining
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Posted - 2009.09.17 23:58:00 -
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they have the in game decorations, and medals, why not jsut pin one of those to the veteran players, set them as private by default, and then let those that want to poke there chest out with pride do so...
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.09.18 00:07:00 -
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This is clever and all. But who wants more sp? Right now I randomly pick things to train just because I don't want to not be training. For the most part I have all the sp's I need.
Now, being able to have a blue and yellow domi when everyone elses is puke green...that would be worth it.
Why do you think you're entitled to it?
You've played a videogame for a long time. Good for you.
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Pan Dora
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.09.18 00:17:00 -
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The reward for several years playing EVE its several years playing EVE. Its really that simple.
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Nekmet Awai
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Posted - 2009.09.18 00:17:00 -
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personally i say let skills go to lvl 6 instead of 5, then if your a maxed out sp char, you can take that 1 extra at a extreme amount of time, to give you that elitism feeling, and to allow players that have maxed every ship out (and not wanting to go into cap ships) something to do with their next sp.
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