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Raeni Le'sex Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.10.21 16:05:00 - [61] If you think high SP characters are wortless, then sell it and make a ton of isk for your new character?
Your Host	Posted - 2009.10.21 16:25:00 - [62] Edited by: Your Host on 21/10/2009 16:25:44 I say we tax the wealthy and take that tax and distribute it to every character/account with under 50 mil isk in their wallet. Then, we coud take the 11% npc tax and give it to the lowsec pirates. joking aside... your idea is not to my liking... The old christmas/expansion gifts that players accumulate throughout eve are good enough. Older players have these items; newer players dont - but if a newer player really wants the item, they can pay the high price set by the older player.
Alfons Richthofen Caldari Die Luftwaffe	Posted - 2009.10.21 17:41:00 - [63] Originally by: Therese Law agree in a bit, would be nice with some credit that i have payed and enjoyed the game for such long time. and dedication to something should always pay off. You do have the credit, it's the higher SP which means more skills. Terrible idea, make starting players even MORE annoyed at how long they have to wait.
Emperor Nocturnal	Posted - 2009.11.04 19:27:00 - [64] Edited by: Emperor Nocturnal on 04/11/2009 19:30:10 ...
Lord KesH Incarnation of Evil	Posted - 2009.11.04 19:34:00 - [65] Still waiting for a CCP response to this I would think that after reading the post through again that CCP would just give a little response to this... ------------------------------------
Kel Nissa	Posted - 2009.11.04 20:24:00 - [66] Edited by: Kel Nissa on 04/11/2009 20:25:19 Introduce a voting system for known bugs (there are plenty of them) and want-have new features, and add to players one vote per year. So a 3 year old player has a 3 votes but a fresh one only one. Commit to something like you will work with 5% of your devs capacity on the top ranked item.
Grarr Bexx	Posted - 2009.11.04 20:32:00 - [67] The ability to do more, fly more, and fight better? Oh wait... This is a dumb idea, if you think you're entitled to anything just 'cause you have more SP than someone else, then you're an idiot. This is basically rewarding the passive lvl4 mission runners because 0.0 and implants tend to not mix.
Thera Romana	Posted - 2009.11.04 20:42:00 - [68] i have the perfect solution.... 150 mil SP you get a planet named after your toon, problem will be it will be in a worm hole, and now you have to go look through every single one to find it. If you do find it you can anchor a pos at it as your library....
Lord KesH Incarnation of Evil	Posted - 2009.11.04 20:47:00 - [69] Originally by: Grarr Bexx The ability to do more, fly more, and fight better? Oh wait... This is a dumb idea, if you think you're entitled to anything just 'cause you have more SP than someone else, then you're an idiot. This is basically rewarding the passive lvl4 mission runners because 0.0 and implants tend to not mix. If you read the post, you would see that it has been proposed several times that it should actually be based on how long you account has been active instead. As a loyalty reward program. So please read the post before you comment. ------------------------------------
Dharh Gallente Ace Adventure Corp	Posted - 2009.11.04 21:02:00 - [70] A little Badge in your Decorations called, Eve Cool Guy. There you go, have fun.
guska Cryotank Gallente ZCMI Magnum Opus.	Posted - 2009.11.05 09:07:00 - [71] Originally by: Sigras i am a sucker for stuff that doesnt do anything in game but is just cool, my ares is faster and more efficient, but my apothesis is Jovian and way cooler. +1 I have quite a lot of shiny 'useless' expensive 'toys'. An Apothesis, various faction frigs that are too damned expensive to actually PVP with, and I've been trying to talk a corpmate out of his Interbus Shuttle. Just coz. Maybe some sort of decoration for the decorations tab for those long time players that have been active for a number of years. Like a bronze one for 2 years, silver for 3, gold for 4 and maybe platinum for original subscribers. (Feel free to replace the metals with ingame valuable minerals/materials)
scarlett 01	Posted - 2009.11.05 11:18:00 - [72] Like many high SP players I do find it somewhat frustrating now as to what Im gonna train for now. I got many maxed out skill groups ....so no more to train on those .....Im not industry or industarlly focussed so why would I wanna train for something that has no bearing on my game style. I have a family and a real life so my game time can be at times can be irratic ......and unlike some chars i dont have vast amoounts of ships and isk.....what i do have is a nice level of skillpoints which are becoming somewhat of a liability. Cost of clones should be capped when u reach a certain level !! Like the Ideas with regards to account subscription time and being able to customise ur ships etc As to providing anything else other than more specialised skills ( new skills )...That would be a great Idea Hey Even A special ccp T shirt at a bonus price with ur name on it from ccp would be great ! And as to a responce from CCP.......LMFAO....dont think thats gonna happen do you?
Zahorite	Posted - 2009.11.05 11:41:00 - [73] How about just putting in some Tech III ships that follow the same progression that Tech II ships followed. When Tech II ships came out I imagine most players couldn't fly most of them. Why not some Tech III ships that would take like 20-30m skill points to fly which perhaps a character with 50-60m skill points would actually have but players that had played under 2 years wouldn't. It would give us something to works towards. Right now I'm at 32m skill points on my main and I'm starting to see the end of the line, in another year I won't have any new ships or modules to train towards unless I want a freighter on my conbat character.
Symlin Raahn Gallente Killer Koalas R.A.G.E	Posted - 2009.11.05 12:14:00 - [74] Originally by: SiriusCrow We make plans to train for certain things and then those things change, it can be quite disappointing. You mean like training to make can openers for beer and beverage cans, and then someone like Emerl "Ernie" Fraze comes along and invents the pop-top can? Sounds like real life, to me. However, many of you are right in some respects. Almost any other game or sport I can think of has starts and stops, and you can have a chance of winning a game, a round, a tournament, a match, a championship, and so on. *You cannot truly "win" at EVE* -- unless you think winning a battle counts. Then maybe so. I truly don't know if that is a bad thing or a good thing. So, I see why older players may be feeling a bit like, "what's the point?" I'm not saying that this is a great idea, but what if CCP held challenges? Every 6 months or so there would be a new challenge. What would be some good challenges that groups could treaty with eachother and compete to win? (I can see World War III developing here with two or three different powers forming to go after the spoils of victory.) The prize? Just like a lot of amateur events, just the recognition of having won and being listed at the top of a ranking. Maybe get a medal that would show by your in-game persona. "A winner of the xxxx challenge ending March, 2010," would appear by your info, maybe. It would be a prestige thing. Just some ruminations. Would this type of thing appeal to anyone? Would it alleviate the problem the OP expressed a bit? Symlin òòò òòò òòò òòò òòò òòò ò Growing old is mandatory. ò Growing up is optional.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2009.11.05 12:26:00 - [75] I'd like the deluxe suite when Ambulation comes around. Other than that I got some T2 BPOs to show for my long service. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Tyson Gallane Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.11.05 13:48:00 - [76] You are still waiting for a CCP response? What makes you think they have any reason to respond?
Mistress Jita	Posted - 2009.11.06 02:03:00 - [77] Horrible idea. Older players can already kill everyone else 1 on 1, afford anything, do anything, and now they want an "I Win" button? If anything CCP should give all newer players a longer 100% bonus to help them catch up to YOU, not help YOU to widen the gap between yourself and the new players. If the older players want something special, to show how "old" they are, re-do the avatar of all players over 5 years and give them wrinkles. The idea about older players being banished to low/null sec sounds good to me as well, so does the idea of auto-bounties so the rest of the player base can hunt them. No offense but I (we) hear this crap all the time... "Whoa is me, I got it so bad because I have more skill points than 90% of the player base, CCP should give me a special bonus so I don't have to actually COMPETE against other players, Afterall it's disrecpectful and hurts my ego to have to compete fairly with someone who has only played for a few months, I deserve an "I Win" button because I'm already more powerful than everyone else, It's so tiring to actually have to target and shoot..." With all due respect it's tiring to listen to it over and over. What about the new players that you can kill 12 of at a time? Shouldn't CCP be doing something to help them instead?
Symlin Raahn Gallente Killer Koalas R.A.G.E	Posted - 2009.11.06 03:29:00 - [78] Originally by: Mistress Jita If the older players want something special, to show how "old" they are, re-do the avatar of all players over 5 years and give them wrinkles. LOL! Excellent idea!!! ((My wife said she had the body of a 20 year old. I told her, "Give it back, your getting it all wrinkled.")) òòò òòò òòò òòò òòò òòò ò Growing old is mandatory. ò Growing up is optional.
Trigos Trilobi Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.11.06 04:05:00 - [79] Originally by: Zahorite Right now I'm at 32m skill points on my main and I'm starting to see the end of the line, in another year I won't have any new ships or modules to train towards unless I want a freighter on my conbat character. That's odd. This char is closing on double that with maybe 85% sp in combat and can barely fly minmatar hacs/recons, ishtar and a golem. I'd estimate I have a good two-three years minimum until I have to seriously consider training my first capital skills. Think 30mil is barely enough just to fly a typhoon
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2009.11.06 04:33:00 - [80] There is something that I think high SP players could have as a skill point sink. What if we did something similar to the old Civilization games? Where once you have done everything you can in the tech tree, your science goes into "future tech" does nothing for you but its there... As an extension of the idea, what if your unused skill points were allocated into a specific science and after an amount of SP is invested, you get a random run BPC of a high end named module. Then at least if you did everything you wanted to do in the skills department, you can get some isk
Markus Reese Caldari Lorentzian Expeditionaries	Posted - 2009.11.06 04:48:00 - [81] I am not sure about these high sp people either running out. I am over a year, +22m sp and am only into one race of T2 cruiser, no T2 weapons. In a year, I might start hitting Battleships, throw in caps, I am set til the end of the world in 2012!
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2009.11.06 06:12:00 - [82] Originally by: Markus Reese I am not sure about these high sp people either running out. I am over a year, +22m sp and am only into one race of T2 cruiser, no T2 weapons. In a year, I might start hitting Battleships, throw in caps, I am set til the end of the world in 2012! You just made me cry, I weep for the next generation if the current one can't even allocate enough SP to get t2 weapons after racking up 22m SP.
Markus Reese Caldari Lorentzian Expeditionaries	Posted - 2009.11.06 06:28:00 - [83] That is simply due to the fact I don't use an alt. I had CEO skills to train, for corp I fly orca. Combine in leadership training, and a caldari/amarr ship split. Very close to fleet command, then finally the support skills and shipf of buffs/debuff/reps. Also exploration with recons and covies. Yeah, is a wonder what happens when you do the stuff instead of training an alt to.
Reggie Stoneloader Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.11.06 08:10:00 - [84] Originally by: Zaiyo Modi Maybe a delayed blast fireball talisman would suffice for the walking in station? Grenade? Yes, please, with the ability to sneak it into a guy's pod and have it detonate three days later. If I get info on a guy and see that his character was created in 2003, that's all the merit badge I need to see. If you want to be impressive in EvE, run a noteworthy corp or fly a sweet ship or rack up a ton of KB points or make a name for yourself roleplaying or get someone to start a nerf thread based on your brilliantly underhanded tactics. Giving CCP money is appreciated, of course, but everyone does that, to some extent. Another great way to get a reputation, of course, is to make a fool of yourself on the forum. I have a few people in my address book with notes like, "Target of opportunity; was a jerk on forum." ====================== Crusades: Security Status
Yolo Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.07 13:59:00 - [85] When you hit 100m sp, give us free clones already. So we can pvp like everyone else without risking a minimum of 30m Isk (clone cost)
Grarr Bexx	Posted - 2009.11.07 14:48:00 - [86] Originally by: Yolo When you hit 100m sp, give us free clones already. So we can pvp like everyone else without risking a minimum of 30m Isk (clone cost) Here's an idea, stop training your main and train an alt to do industry for you. Ta-da! Clone costs stop rising.
Daemonspirit An Android Lust	Posted - 2009.11.07 15:17:00 - [87] Originally by: Mistress Jita Horrible idea. Older players can already kill everyone else 1 on 1, afford anything, do anything, and now they want an "I Win" button? If anything CCP should give all newer players a longer 100% bonus to help them catch up to YOU, not help YOU to widen the gap between yourself and the new players. Go back and re-read the OP... It absolutley had nothing to do with an "I WIN" button... I can't decide if your trolling, or if you in fact, did miss the point of what he said by that much... Originally by: Mistress Jita If the older players want something special, to show how "old" they are, re-do the avatar of all players over 5 years and give them wrinkles. Fully support this idea! Originally by: Mistress Jita The idea about older players being banished to low/null sec sounds good to me as well, so does the idea of auto-bounties so the rest of the player base can hunt them. NAH! THAT wouldn't get abused at all... Originally by: Mistress Jita No offense but I (we) hear this crap all the time... "Whoa is me, I got it so bad because I have more skill points than 90% of the player base, CCP should give me a special bonus so I don't have to actually COMPETE against other players, Afterall it's disrecpectful and hurts my ego to have to compete fairly with someone who has only played for a few months, I deserve an "I Win" button because I'm already more powerful than everyone else, It's so tiring to actually have to target and shoot..." I might be mistaken, but I do believe you brought that to the thread... Again, OP said nothing about an "I WIN" button... Just wondered about something from CCP to recognize people who've stayed with the game for a long time. Originally by: Mistress Jita With all due respect it's tiring to listen to it over and over. What about the new players that you can kill 12 of at a time? Shouldn't CCP be doing something to help them instead? -no- I want no help from CCP at all. And tbqh - SP isn't what your talking about, its "EXPERIENCE". Go out and do, stop whinning... >jeesh< ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö
Yolo Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.07 16:25:00 - [88] Originally by: Grarr Bexx Originally by: Yolo When you hit 100m sp, give us free clones already. So we can pvp like everyone else without risking a minimum of 30m Isk (clone cost) Here's an idea, stop training your main and train an alt to do industry for you. Ta-da! Clone costs stop rising. got a 2nd account with a 96m sp indy char... whats next?
Kweel Nakashyn shadow and cloaking Mordus Angels	Posted - 2009.11.07 16:37:00 - [89] Originally by: Lord KesH I wasn't trying to create a post where flaming is free for the taking, i was actually trying to get a constructive discussion going. And i did make a point to say that i know my ideas wasn't great in any way. So please keep it on a non personal level. I disagree. High sp allready have big wallets. If you want Estamel invul, titans or ms, buy them. "Jove fregate"... [:(t)roll:] ~ Beer > Eve ? Eve > Beer ?
Lord KesH Incarnation of Evil	Posted - 2009.11.07 17:31:00 - [90] To answer a few questions and make a few comments... Originally by: Tyson Gallane You are still waiting for a CCP response? What makes you think they have any reason to respond? Well not as much waiting as hopingà And I donÆt know if they would like to respond to this, but I brought it up because I personally thought it was a fair point, and I thought that this place was a place for answers. Originally by: Daemonspirit Go back and re-read the OP... It absolutley had nothing to do with an "I WIN" button... I can't decide if your trolling, or if you in fact, did miss the point of what he said by that much... Thank you for the support, great to know I am not the only one. Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn I disagree. High sp allready have big wallets. If you want Estamel invul, titans or ms, buy them. "Jove fregate"... [:(t)roll:] A fair point, but I know a lot of players with the same amount or more sp than I have, and believe me I think most of them would laugh and say ôjust because I have a lot of sp does definitely not mean that I have a big walletö Sp does not make you isk. A general comment, Please before you start talking about that its all about getting free titans and so on, its not what its about, I would be satisfied with getting maybe a months of free play time after 5 years of subscription. It does not need to be any stuff ingame or the like. Just a small token of loyalty. Please keep the comments coming ------------------------------------

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