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Darwin's Market	Posted - 2009.09.18 15:45:00 - [61] http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=OH+HAYFRIEND&filter=losses http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Industrial+Pet&filter=losses http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Thaga+Sa&filter=losses http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=booooooooooooobs&filter=losses
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.18 15:48:00 - [62] Originally by: Darwin's Market battleclinic sucks So? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Darwin's Market	Posted - 2009.09.18 15:57:00 - [63] Originally by: Captain HappyChap No Risk? Err surely the risk is whether or not the person had anything of any value in their cargo hold or you're going to be losing 60m for nothing? sorry no derail, we're talking about simply having the ability to grief super easy in high-sec with a low skillpoint balltleship alt. sec status doesn't mean anything any longer
Rawr Cristina Caldari Annihilate. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.09.18 16:13:00 - [64] bla bla bla don't carry T2 bpos around with an untanked badger 1 the end - Malyutka (The Virus) -
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.18 16:16:00 - [65] Originally by: Darwin's Market we're talking about simply having the ability to grief super easy in high-sec with a low skillpoint balltleship alt. 1. Where's the griefing? 2. Again: so? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Roemy Schneider Vanishing Point.	Posted - 2009.09.18 17:25:00 - [66] is it still possible to launch BS from an orca - on a safe spot - and have -10 pods board them? - putting the gist back into logistics
Lyn Kishin	Posted - 2009.09.18 17:30:00 - [67] Originally by: Roemy Schneider is it still possible to launch BS from an orca - on a safe spot - and have -10 pods board them? That was never possible since orca's can't fit a BS in the ship maint bay, but there's nothing stopping a non-10 alt from flying a BS out to the waiting -10 pod and ejecting.
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.09.18 17:38:00 - [68] All nice and good but i would like for CCP to fix bounties and make killrights tradeable.
Darwin's Market	Posted - 2009.09.18 17:54:00 - [69] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 killrights tradeable. this would be nice, but still won't fix the issue i raised
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.18 18:01:00 - [70] Originally by: Darwin's Market this would be nice, but still won't fix the non-issue i raised Fix'd. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.09.18 18:23:00 - [71] Originally by: Darwin's Market Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 killrights tradeable. this would be nice, but still won't fix the issue i raised What issue?
Darwin's Market	Posted - 2009.09.18 18:41:00 - [72] 3 smartbombing BS just suicided a T3 cruiser on the peri gate in jita.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.09.18 18:43:00 - [73] Originally by: Darwin's Market 3 smartbombing BS just suicided a T3 cruiser on the peri gate in jita. HAHAHA AWESOME. Who do i send supply isk to, to fund this suiciding? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Celeritas 5k Caldari Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.09.18 18:54:00 - [74] Originally by: Darwin's Market 3 smartbombing BS just suicided a T3 cruiser on the peri gate in jita. Failfit T3 cruiser then... Running the numbers in EFT, armageddon with a rack full of large smartbombs does 320dps, 2400 volley damage with all lvl 5. Haven't been concordokken in a .9 yet, but if you get 15 seconds (Which is pretty generous) then that's 3 volleys, or 7200 damage. Multiply that by 3 battleships and you get a total of 21600 damage dealt. You're telling me a strategic cruiser doesn't have 22000 EHP? And that he couldn't GTFO in 15 seconds? - Always be Happy, Never be satisfied.
Gunnanmon Gallente Imperial Syndicate Forces The Laughing Men	Posted - 2009.09.18 18:56:00 - [75] Originally by: Roemy Schneider is it still possible to launch BS from an orca - on a safe spot - and have -10 pods board them? Surely it would be necessary for at least 1 pod to board them. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.18 19:01:00 - [76] Originally by: Celeritas 5k Running the numbers in EFT, armageddon with a rack full of large smartbombs does 320dps, 2400 volley damage with all lvl 5. …and that assumes that they're fitting T2 smartbombs, which means that each outing costs a pretty penny even after insurance, so realistically, they'll run T1s with a mere 270dps/2000 volley. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Celeritas 5k Caldari Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.09.18 19:05:00 - [77] Oh yeah... Itty 5 with all expanded cargoholds in the lows, cargo rigs, and medium shield extenders + 1 invuln has 14k EHP (With reasonable skills). You'd need 2 disco battleships to kill it, and even then they'd barely pull it off. - Always be Happy, Never be satisfied.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.09.18 19:40:00 - [78] Originally by: Darwin's Market 3 smartbombing BS just suicided a T3 cruiser on the peri gate in jita. HAHAHAHAHHAHAA, what a loser
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.18 19:48:00 - [79] So… so far, we've managed to conclude that buying ISK is bad, but that you'll soon lose the ships you buy for that ISK because you fail at EVE. So the only issue so far apparently solves itself. Anything else that needs to be discussed? Smartbombed T3… lmao… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Michwich	Posted - 2009.09.18 19:57:00 - [80] Edited by: Michwich on 18/09/2009 19:58:22 Originally by: wickedpheonix Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Darwin's Market This seems like a abuse of intended mechanics. I do agree that being at -10 and not only living in the heart of empire but continuing to hunt there seems like dodging an intended mechanism. Fugitives have always been able to live in society at large while avoiding police forces. Empire space in particular is not a police state. The whole point about EVE and indeed any RL spot in the world is that you're never perfectly safe anywhere - in RL you fit a gun, and in EVE you fit a tank. So yeah, working as intended. I would provide a more concrete example but then I would be invoking Godwin's Law. Or can I make the same point by pointing out Marrano Jews living in Spain even during the Inquisition? (not a racist comment here - I am acknowledging that Judaism was outlawed during the Inquisition (1495) and Jews were forced to convert or leave, so I guess you could analogize Judaism as being -10.0 sec status in Spain during the Inquisition - but that doesn't mean that people didn't practice Judaism in secret and therefore you had "-10.0"'s living in "high-sec" Spanish sovereign territory). There is no secret, the Jews are painted red and if Concord was player controlled they'd be rooted out of their stations, chat logs, trade logs and other evidence would be gathered and any alts who collaborates with them would recieve even worse punishment. But really if we want to play this game a suicide attack in empire wouldnt be met with low sec status and clumped up Concord, it would mean full scale war on the systems that produce these criminals to root them out of their holes they hide in. Fact is the games caters to gankers griefers - emo pvp artists with the weak link being Concord. So the only option would not to play if you dont like it. Personally I like to play, but the hand holding the emo pvp artists have in this game is laughable and should be addressed for a better more challenging game.
Zex Maxwell Caldari	Posted - 2009.09.19 06:04:00 - [81] Originally by: Haulerboi Originally by: Tippia Tank your hauler? This Some dude tried suicide ganking my iteron 5 off jita 4-4 a couple weeks ago, he got a shot out with about 1400hp, enough to one shoot the ship ... but I had all shield extenders on mids Tank Iteron 5 FOR THE WIN!
Jennifer Celeste	Posted - 2009.09.19 07:31:00 - [82] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Banana Torres Originally by: Darwin's Market There's absolutely no way of stopping it without CCP intervention. And you think the best way to get CCP to intervene is to post on the forums? Just raise the bloody ticket, if you are correct it will be stopped. Because the people with hacked accounts aren't waiting long enough for a GM's attention, right? they shouldnt have been buying isk or downloading 3rd party programs that arent trusted...it's their own fault. The intelligence level coming from your side of the room is astoundingly low...
Iria Ahrens Amarr 101st Space Marine Force Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.09.19 08:51:00 - [83] As said, where is the greifing? You do realize that the CCP definition of griefing is killing someone (repeatedly) with no personal benefit. smartbombing a t3 cruiser, well, that's a KM benefit. I'd love a killmail like that. Smartbombing haulers, as long as they come and loot your wrecks, it's not griefing. Oh, and to the people that say you can't get smartbombed if you have an instawarp. Smartbombs will still hit you in warp as long as you're in range. So a group of disco ships could still take you out. Theoretically anyway. The inherent problems make it unlikely. -- EVE is about balls, brains, and paranoia. SP comes in a distant fourth place.
Darwin's Market	Posted - 2009.09.19 15:26:00 - [84] Edited by: Darwin''s Market on 19/09/2009 15:26:19 they now used 4 smartbombing typhoons to kill a heavily tanked occator in jita, all are -10.0 criminals
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.09.19 15:28:00 - [85] Originally by: Darwin's Market Edited by: Darwin''s Market on 19/09/2009 15:26:19 they now used 4 smartbombing typhoons to kill a heavily tanked occator in jita, all are -10.0 criminals And the goons just got kicked out of the tourny by a fleet with an ECM badger in it. **** happens.
Mordinn The Bones Brigade	Posted - 2009.09.19 15:37:00 - [86] Didn't read the post. If they have -10 Sec Status, and they are able to tank long enough top blow other peoples ** up, then you and your friends can attack them on sight, without CONCORD intruding and blow their ** up. Stop being a pansy. ---
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.19 15:47:00 - [87] Originally by: Darwin's Market they now used 4 smartbombing typhoons to kill a heavily tanked occator in jita, all are -10.0 criminals Given the amount of PR you're giving them, that's not much of a surprise, now is it? And the question remains: so what? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2009.09.19 16:49:00 - [88] Originally by: wickedpheonix Originally by: Catherine Frasier I do agree that being at -10 and not only living in the heart of empire but continuing to hunt there seems like dodging an intended mechanism. Fugitives have always been able to live in society at large while avoiding police forces. Empire space in particular is not a police state. The whole point about EVE and indeed any RL spot in the world is that you're never perfectly safe anywhere - in RL you fit a gun, and in EVE you fit a tank. So yeah, working as intended. While it is easy to come up with post-hoc rationalizations for things like this that doesn't mean your Just-So Story actually reflects what was intended. It's only CCP who gets to say, with authority, "working as intended". By the logic of your narrative escaping Concord's wrath through WHs or other tricks would be, not just permitted, but a brilliant, celebrated criminal strategy. It's not. It's forbidden. The reason should be obvious.
Dramaan	Posted - 2009.09.19 17:14:00 - [89] Even my itreron 5 fast to warp way if not bumpbed from smart bomb, but you can always speed up ship removing extender you need only 2 to be efective ship and you can chose from Warp Core Stabilizers or Inertia Stabilizers you will make runs faster less risk and earn alot of isk you can fly fast you can earn alot more then you usaly do.

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