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Darwin's Market
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Posted - 2009.09.17 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: Darwin''s Market on 17/09/2009 16:11:17
Pilots are using battleship noobs alts trained with smartbombs to simply insta-warp out of the jita station to near a gate and keep on suiciding themselves onto haulers continiously.
There's absolutely no way of stopping it without CCP intervention.
I understand able to do it if you have good sec and then have to build sec back up, but this is crazy as they can be -10 forever and never care especially since it's low skillpoint alt made for that purpose.
This seems like a abuse of intended mechanics.
Quick way of fixing is to remove the ability to insta warp coming out of the undock, then the players will take care of the -10 battleships undocking without worry of Concord as they enter warp before any scramming module can activate even on the best sensor boosted interceptor.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.09.17 16:11:00 -
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Working as intended.
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Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Tier 5 Battleships
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Darwin's Market
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Posted - 2009.09.17 16:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Working as intended.
Thanks, I missed the discussion on this and am curious as to why carebears haven't flooded the forums with rage poasts yet. I'm just annoyed cause they are competition to regular suiciding guys, which requires more work.
Obviously I'll start doing this too.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.17 16:14:00 -
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Tank your hauler?
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.09.17 16:16:00 -
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noob alts?? Its that easy to skill one?
Wow, thanks, I will try it out next days...
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Mrmuttley
National Health Service
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Posted - 2009.09.17 16:17:00 -
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Safe space is not safe only safer
Given that those characters cannot do anything other than quick suicide ganks then it takes a bit of skill and a bit of luck to hit anything before concord and the gate guns get them.
Did they get you? If so you must have had something worth losing a BS for in your cargo. Shuttle with a valuable book in the hold slowboating to the gate?
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Korizan
Oort Cloud Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.17 16:18:00 -
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I don't see a large amount of concord near any gate so far, which there would be if someone suicided recently.
WHich gate again ?
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Lee Dalton
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.09.17 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Caldera
noob alts?? Its that easy to skill one?
Wow, thanks, I will try it out next days...
With the double SP gain at the start, if you optimised it right, you could be in a smartbombing Tier 1 Battleship in well under a month.
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Korizan
Oort Cloud Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.17 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Darwin's Market
remove the ability to insta warp coming out of the undock
As I read this again I now can see the real point of this thread.
It has nothing to do with ganking on the Gates.
Your real objective is what I quoted above.
Nice try.
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Serj Reaper
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.17 16:28:00 -
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So you want to remove insta warps from undocks because you got killed doing something stupid...boohoo
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.17 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Darwin's Market
There's absolutely no way of stopping it without CCP intervention.
And you think the best way to get CCP to intervene is to post on the forums?
Just raise the bloody ticket, if you are correct it will be stopped.
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2009.09.17 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Darwin's Market
I understand able to do it if you have good sec and then have to build sec back up, but this is crazy as they can be -10 forever and never care especially since it's low skillpoint alt made for that purpose.
This seems like a abuse of intended mechanics.
I do agree that being at -10 and not only living in the heart of empire but continuing to hunt there seems like dodging an intended mechanism.
There's no call to change warp mechanics or undocking or anything else with far reaching consequences though. All CCP have to do (if they choose to do anything) is specifically announce that this an exploit or offence like they did with "evading CONCORD". Then if when it happens you petition it, get reimbursed and the "pirate" gets banned.
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Haulerboi
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Posted - 2009.09.17 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Tank your hauler?
This
Some dude tried suicide ganking my iteron 5 off jita 4-4 a couple weeks ago, he got a shot out with about 1400hp, enough to one shoot the ship  ... but I had all shield extenders on mids 
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ObiTwo Kinobi
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Posted - 2009.09.17 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Darwin's Market
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Working as intended.
Thanks, I missed the discussion on this and am curious as to why carebears haven't flooded the forums with rage poasts yet. I'm just annoyed cause they are competition to regular suiciding guys, which requires more work.
Obviously I'll start doing this too.
So let me get this strait. Your crying because they are suiciding better then yourself? CLASSIC, after all these posts where the suiciders would laugh at other players for crying about it. Now the suiciders are crying about themselves....
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.09.17 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 17/09/2009 17:13:33
Originally by: Haulerboi
Originally by: Tippia
Tank your hauler?
This
Some dude tried suicide ganking my iteron 5 off jita 4-4 a couple weeks ago, he got a shot out with about 1400hp, enough to one shoot the ship ... but I had all shield extenders on mids
The funny thing is there is no reason not to do this. I mean the ship has mid-slots. Shield extenders are pretty cheap, even going T2. Besides a MWD/Afterburner, there is nothing else to put there. Rather silly for people to not load up anything hauling with em.
I put em on everything.
Hauler Crusader
Hauler Stabber Fleet Issue
Hauler Legion
What? Nothing says they can't be turned into industrial ships! Plus the speed helps loot the wreck of the ship that just decided to commit suicide in front of you. 
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.09.17 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres
Originally by: Darwin's Market
There's absolutely no way of stopping it without CCP intervention.
And you think the best way to get CCP to intervene is to post on the forums?
Just raise the bloody ticket, if you are correct it will be stopped.
Because the people with hacked accounts aren't waiting long enough for a GM's attention, right? 
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Capt Fossil
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.17 17:23:00 -
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Yeah folks, a little creativity in what you use to haul will go a long ways.
ie buy a cheap cruiser, Shield/armor it up and keep it a couple of jumps from Jita. Use it to shuttle your stuff to where your hauler is. Been doing this for quite awhile. Haven't even been scanned in ages.
On another note, there sure are much easier ways to make isk than suiciding haulers. Oh well, I guess it gives them something to while running their idiotic "I will triple your isk" scams.
Jita really should have it's own police force that put's some kind of KOS tag on all these dolts.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.17 17:51:00 -
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For the record, and to further reinforce the notion that the OP is bothered by missing targets that warp off on him, rather than about haulers being smartbombed, let's do some EFT-warrioring.
A T1 discophoon (T2 SBs seems like a huge waste since it drives the price up something fierce) will need some 16 8-bomb pulses to kill a reasonably tanked Badger II… This will take nearly two minutes (not even considering shield recharge). Fit T2 bombs and it will require a sliver above 1+ minutes…
Jita is as close to a 1.0-system as you can be and still be called 0.9, so unless CONCORD is on a server-induced doughnut break (conceivably making the whole episode petitionable), I wouldn't exactly call it "unstoppable". They should have the problem sorted before that poor Badger II even hits peak recharge.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Nadrak Paragon
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Posted - 2009.09.17 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Darwin's Market
remove the ability to insta warp coming out of the undock
Hello,
yeah...I'm a newbie in these mechanics. Could someone explain to me how is done this "insta warp" ?
Thank you.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.09.17 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nadrak Paragon
Originally by: Darwin's Market
remove the ability to insta warp coming out of the undock
Hello,
yeah...I'm a newbie in these mechanics. Could someone explain to me how is done this "insta warp" ?
Thank you.
Undock, pick a point (planet, bookmark, etc.) directly in front of you. Since you don't have to turn at all and you are already at speed when undocking you go into warp instantly.
Also usefull when undocking a freighter outside the station, since if you try to warp too early they have a tendency to run into the station before they manage to make the full turn.
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Korizan
Oort Cloud Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.17 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: Korizan on 17/09/2009 18:19:15
THe funny part about this is if you are camping a station you know where those insta warp points are as far as planets and such. So unless they pick a half way point they are in trouble. And there aren't many stations you can do this with anyways.
The second way is to have a safe spot 50,000 + km from the station. But with the new Probes that last for an hour you can camp a station with 0 Issues.
So CCP has really removed that ability for no counter , there are ways now to catch somebody when they leave station.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.09.17 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Darwin's Market
There's absolutely no way of stopping it without CCP intervention.
Yes there is. It's called sensor boosters with resolution scripts plus warp scramblers/disruptors.
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Jon Archqus
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Posted - 2009.09.17 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Jon Archqus on 17/09/2009 19:10:09
Originally by: Tippia
Tank your hauler?
This...
I have only had an attempted suicide gank on me once, while hauling and they failed. I survived because I trained my tanking skills and fit enough tank.
To the OP..
Just because it's high sec doesn't mean it's safe.. so quit crying and deal with it.
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wickedpheonix
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
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Posted - 2009.09.17 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Darwin's Market
This seems like a abuse of intended mechanics.
I do agree that being at -10 and not only living in the heart of empire but continuing to hunt there seems like dodging an intended mechanism.
Fugitives have always been able to live in society at large while avoiding police forces. Empire space in particular is not a police state. The whole point about EVE and indeed any RL spot in the world is that you're never perfectly safe *anywhere* - in RL you fit a gun, and in EVE you fit a tank. So yeah, working as intended.
I would provide a more concrete example but then I would be invoking Godwin's Law. Or can I make the same point by pointing out Marrano Jews living in Spain even during the Inquisition? (not a racist comment here - I am acknowledging that Judaism was outlawed during the Inquisition (1495) and Jews were forced to convert or leave, so I guess you could analogize Judaism as being -10.0 sec status in Spain during the Inquisition - but that doesn't mean that people didn't practice Judaism in secret and therefore you had "-10.0"'s living in "high-sec" Spanish sovereign territory).
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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.17 19:28:00 -
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I would prefer CCP would increase SB range up to 20km now that the doomsday is gonna be nerfed.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.09.17 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Darwin's Market
This seems like a abuse of intended mechanics.
Quick way of fixing is to remove the ability to insta warp coming out of the undock, then the players will take care of the -10 battleships undocking without worry of Concord as they enter warp before any scramming module can activate even on the best sensor boosted interceptor.
So you want to remove the thing I do first upon undocking in my hauler?
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ropnes
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Posted - 2009.09.17 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Darwin's Market
There's absolutely no way of stopping it without CCP intervention.
Yes there is. It's called sensor boosters with resolution scripts plus warp scramblers/disruptors.
You can't actually stop anyone with a proper insta undock. You will warp in 1/20th of a second
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Systranite
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Posted - 2009.09.17 20:15:00 -
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As much as I hate to admit, I dont mind people doing this.
Except I just lost 100mil in salvage mats cause I went afk on a Jita gate. good thing they all were destroyed. -_-
but still, I highly support this feature :)
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.09.17 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: ropnes
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Darwin's Market
There's absolutely no way of stopping it without CCP intervention.
Yes there is. It's called sensor boosters with resolution scripts plus warp scramblers/disruptors.
You can't actually stop anyone with a proper insta undock. You will warp in 1/20th of a second
You can figure out WHERE they insta-warp to in a not-so-long time and wait there instead.
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Kuroda Takumi
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Posted - 2009.09.17 21:39:00 -
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You can guess where they insta-warp to...I mean I have different ones I use depending on my mood/alert level.
and I stay there about 1 sec and warp to a gate.
Good luck catching me.
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