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Knus'lar
Deep Void Industrial Group T A B O O
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Posted - 2012.06.06 06:10:00 -
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I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground.
For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life? |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
119
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Posted - 2012.06.06 06:12:00 -
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~Haters gonna Hate~ |
Luis Graca
41
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Posted - 2012.06.06 06:14:00 -
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sometimes i wounder whats the right answer to that question CCP SUCKS |
Spikeflach
Echo's of Liberty Dominatus Atrum Mortis
73
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Posted - 2012.06.06 06:14:00 -
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Well, a lot of people in eve get off when they get kills. They will go off talking as much crap as they can because they got the most awesome kill.
The times of "GF" don't exist much anymore in eve. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1568
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Posted - 2012.06.06 06:14:00 -
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There are sociopaths who PVP but being a PVPer does not make you a sociopath.
If all sociopaths played this game instead of getting into politics or becoming cops the real world would be a better place.
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Knus'lar
Deep Void Industrial Group T A B O O
33
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Posted - 2012.06.06 06:16:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:There are sociopaths who PVP but being a PVPer does not make you a sociopath.
If all sociopaths played this game instead of getting into politics or becoming cops the real world would be a better place.
Lol, perhaps it would. EVE would become more interesting to be sure |
Lustralis
Tiny Holdings
28
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Posted - 2012.06.06 06:16:00 -
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Knus'lar wrote: For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?
It's an interesting question. But the trouble with it is you've used the term "PvP'ers". Nobody would agree with it in that form. |
Knus'lar
Deep Void Industrial Group T A B O O
33
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Posted - 2012.06.06 06:20:00 -
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Lustralis wrote:Knus'lar wrote: For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?
It's an interesting question. But the trouble with it is you've used the term "PvP'ers". Nobody would agree with it in that form.
Okay, then lets assume i mean high sec gankers, because thats what the threads are usually crying about anyways |
St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
834
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Posted - 2012.06.06 06:22:00 -
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People who shoot at me are all filthy deviant sociopaths who should be institutionalised.
Now, when I shoot people, it's just fun, and just a game.
gfgfgfgfgfo7o7o7 |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
410
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Posted - 2012.06.06 06:36:00 -
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In the RW...
I am actually a very calm and collected person... although still a geek.
When people bug me at work I simple tell them, because of what you did or did not do, somebody in EVE online is going hate me today.
Does that make a sociopath? I would rather vent by blowing things up in make believe than show up at the office with a shotgun.
Funny Story... I told my co-workers the only thing keeping me from showing up at work with a Shotgun and blowing all you away is my ability to go online and shoot people. I got nervous laughter which i found extremely funny.
They pay for my internet connection. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy African
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1473
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Posted - 2012.06.06 06:39:00 -
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Knus'lar wrote:For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?
Tell me you don't secretly think that hisec carebears are balanced and responsible people in real life? |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
794
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Posted - 2012.06.06 06:44:00 -
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Accusing strangers of moral or psychological deviancy based on behavior in a video game only shows your own shortcomings to the world. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
19
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Posted - 2012.06.06 06:47:00 -
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If all PvPers were sociopaths, Hulkageddon would have never happened. Sociopaths are horrible at forming stable, long term relationships, which is exactly what the largest PvP groups are. It's just as likely that a high-sec miner who comes on the forum to rage about how PvPers are evil bastards is a sociopath. They tend to blame others for their failures and are prone to snap at things the average person can cope with.
That said, I dislike attributing negative personality traits and behaviors to mental illness. People can be assholes or entitled jerks without being mentally ill.
although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
794
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Posted - 2012.06.06 07:02:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:Sociopaths are horrible at forming stable, long term relationships, By this criteria, its the solo miners who are the sociopaths
Might want to take some of those threats to kill you next fanfest more seriously, guys Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
643
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Posted - 2012.06.06 07:04:00 -
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Reactions I've gotten from other pvpers/gankers/"griefers" after killing/getting killed by them:
- "gf" - "better watch your back lol" - emoticons - compliments - smacktalk with or without light cussing - promises of petitions due to alleged desyncs/disconnects - rarely, genuine dislike for me as a player, but limited to the scope of the game
Reactions I've gotten from carebears after killing them:
- extreme cussing - promises of petitions due to my apparent use of hacks and exploits - accusations of real-life terrorism - threats of lawsuit/police action - real-life threats to harm me (mostly done by people who also claimed to be in the armed forces or in possession of weapons) - real-life threats to sexually-assault me - real-life threats to harm my wife/significant other (I am unmarried) - real-life threats to harm my children (I have no kids) - real-life threats to sexually-assault my wife/significant other - real-life threats to sexually-assault my children (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1571
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Posted - 2012.06.06 07:08:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:In the RW...
I am actually a very calm and collected person... although still a geek.
When people bug me at work I simple tell them, because of what you did or did not do, somebody in EVE online is going hate me today.
Does that make a sociopath? I would rather vent by blowing things up in make believe than show up at the office with a shotgun.
Funny Story... I told my co-workers the only thing keeping me from showing up at work with a Shotgun and blowing all you away is my ability to go online and shoot people. I got nervous laughter which i found extremely funny.
They pay for my internet connection.
Oh dear.
DO NOT joke like that. It's bad enough being known to be a firearms instructor, worse actually having to work in an office.
People like to ninny and say they feel threatened. It's kind of like meta-gaming in an MMO. Sure they can't get your job or get promoted over you or something, but if they can say they "feel threatened" and get you hauled off by the cops, they will. Again I prefer if people who do stuff like that would play this game. That sort would come up to a belt in a Wreathe and one miner and see a Hulk and hit the "report bot" button just out of jealousy.
People would joke and ask me if I would bring a gun to work to help straighten out management and I would say "STFU that crap gives cops a chance to add to their own gun collections:"
Don't joke about that stuff. Eventually you will be dealing with someone who hears the word "gun" and they grow a 500 lb vagina and start peeing themselves and then you might find yourself in trouble. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
344
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Posted - 2012.06.06 07:10:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:In the RW...
I am actually a very calm and collected person... although still a geek.
When people bug me at work I simple tell them, because of what you did or did not do, somebody in EVE online is going hate me today.
Does that make a sociopath? I would rather vent by blowing things up in make believe than show up at the office with a shotgun.
Funny Story... I told my co-workers the only thing keeping me from showing up at work with a Shotgun and blowing all you away is my ability to go online and shoot people. I got nervous laughter which i found extremely funny.
They pay for my internet connection.
We have a winner
Tal |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
1047
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Posted - 2012.06.06 07:11:00 -
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Knus'lar wrote:I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground.
For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?
You have a link where someone who was ganked (NPC alt's don't count) saying flat out that anyone who ganks or does PvP is a sociopath?
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Gealbhan
Used Shuttle Sales Representative
169
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Posted - 2012.06.06 07:14:00 -
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Spikeflach wrote:Well, a lot of people in eve get off when they get kills. They will go off talking as much crap as they can because they got the most awesome kill.
The times of "GF" don't exist much anymore in eve.
Um... they never did... |
Diablo Ex
Pro Synergy ARK.
12
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Posted - 2012.06.06 07:21:00 -
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To be frankly honest here, a person's "Integrity" is measured by how they conduct themselves when nobody is looking. This game, and many aspects of the internet, are anonymous. This allows folks to act out as they want, without fear of consequences. You are as you imagine you are... Those who find enjoyment in ruining the day for others, and generally being a "sociopath" in game, is simply revealing their true inner nature. If they were to find themselves in an equally unconsequential situation, I expect that they would act out in real life as they do in game. Their only "restraint" if they are honest, is self-preservation. If they saw that they could gank and kill, without a danger of being caught, or permanently killed, they would not only do it, they would enjoy the thrill of it.
I speak from real world experience from being in the military and observing human nature. If we remove that thin veneer of civilization, we quickly find out who the animal are... PRO SYNERGY - We salvage and process the loot, and pay YOU for it. Proven methodology, weekly payout, great attitude. - join game channel "Pro Synergy" for details. http://sites.google.com/site/prospersynergy/ |
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Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
21
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Posted - 2012.06.06 07:29:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:
You have a link where someone who was ganked (NPC alt's don't count) saying flat out that anyone who ganks or does PvP is a sociopath?
I can't tell if he was ganked or is an alt, but from here.
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:If a player is happy mining scordite in 1.0 space why is that a problem? It isn't a problem If a player like to sit in Jita making trades why is that a problem? It isn't a problem If a player prefers to do hi-sec missions what is the problem? There isn't a problem.
As a response to part 2 of your question look at these forums and count the number of high sec residents screaming bloody murder that they should be 100% safe in high sec, lobbying CCP for a 100% safe high sec, and making ludicrous claims about other players violating the EULA. If mining and missioning in hi sec aren't problems to these sociopaths, then why the incessant call to arms from the "hardcore PVPer" community to attack and kill them? Why the constant belligerence and belittling against them? Why the unfounded and deliberate accusations that carebears are greedy and stupid? Why the constant whining and crying about moving missions and anything remotely fun to them into lo/null sec? Why the constant whining that carebears should be kicked out of NPC corps and hi sec altogether?
although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
164
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Posted - 2012.06.06 07:36:00 -
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Knus'lar wrote:I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground.
For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?
Pixels dont cry, if you PvP for the 'tears' you have serious RL issues.
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Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
1050
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Posted - 2012.06.06 07:40:00 -
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Even though he does have a point, he is in an NPC corp. So it doesn't count.
I do find Kimmi Chan's post amusing because he groups ALL high sec residents as wanting high sec to be 100% safe. Which of course is a flat out lie. There has only be a very tiny amount (like 7 last I counted and not in NPC corps) posts where they specifically said they wanted high sec to be 100% safe. This game has over 300,000 subscribers. Do you honestly think 7 people represent all of high sec?
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive Talocan United
294
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Posted - 2012.06.06 07:40:00 -
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Ten Bulls wrote:Knus'lar wrote:I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground.
For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life? Pixels dont cry, if you PvP for the 'tears' you have serious RL issues. What if I just pvp because I know they want to pvp? Or what if I want to make their day crap? |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
309
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Posted - 2012.06.06 07:46:00 -
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The term sociopath has become quite popular for those that take the game a bit too seriously. Perhaps they should learn the worth catharsis. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method |
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
164
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Posted - 2012.06.06 07:47:00 -
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Bernie Nator wrote:Ten Bulls wrote: Pixels dont cry, if you PvP for the 'tears' you have serious RL issues.
What if I just pvp because I know they want to pvp? Or what if I want to make their day crap?
If you have ingame reason to PvP then your fine, for example if you PvP to defend territory, or to demonstrate your a better pilot, or for a challenge, whatever, as long as its about ingame issues.
If your doing it to make the player suffer in RL, and you dont know them in RL, then thatGÇÖs obviously a sign of a sociopath and/or narcissistic personality IMO (but im not a shrink).
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pussnheels
399
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Posted - 2012.06.06 07:49:00 -
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Knus'lar wrote:I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground.
For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?
if you are talking about the majority of players who engage in actual pvp as their major profesion in EVE the answer is no If you talking about that small minority with a instant gratification complex ,that is convinced that this game should be turned into a arcade MMO and who think that gianking unarmed ships jwith th sole purpose of griefing is PVP , the I MUST WIN generation like i call them , then yes you are right I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1356
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Posted - 2012.06.06 07:51:00 -
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Diablo Ex wrote:To be frankly honest here, a person's "Integrity" is measured by how they conduct themselves when nobody is looking. This game, and many aspects of the internet, are anonymous. This allows folks to act out as they want, without fear of consequences. You are as you imagine you are... Those who find enjoyment in ruining the day for others, and generally being a "sociopath" in game, is simply revealing their true inner nature. If they were to find themselves in an equally unconsequential situation, I expect that they would act out in real life as they do in game. Their only "restraint" if they are honest, is self-preservation. If they saw that they could gank and kill, without a danger of being caught, or permanently killed, they would not only do it, they would enjoy the thrill of it.
I speak from real world experience from being in the military and observing human nature. If we remove that thin veneer of civilization, we quickly find out who the animals are...
We also find out quickly who the whiny care bears are when a suicide bomber walks into your local restaurant... I don't expect to see many folks in the neighborhood making excuses for the bomber, or referring to a sandbox.
This might be accurate if there were real world consequences for blowing up someone's ship. You don't know |
Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
30
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Posted - 2012.06.06 07:54:00 -
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pvper's are evil child bashing aberrant freaks
miners/any high sec dwellers are plagues, burdens diseases
which one is correct? or are they both done to death, dead ended shallow minded "insults" hurled back and forth on an internet forum |
Spikeflach
Echo's of Liberty Dominatus Atrum Mortis
74
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Posted - 2012.06.06 08:18:00 -
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Quote:This might be accurate if there were real world consequences for blowing up someone's ship. Edit: Also, the term sociopath applies to someone who suffers from a one (or more) of a conditions from a large collection of semi-related psychological issues, most of which are highly, highly debatable as to whether they are a condition or an amalgamation of various unrelated symptoms. IE: With the "right" doctor, anyone could be considered a sociopath, hence why psychology/psychiatry are still considered in a very, very early stage. For a fairly brief summary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SociopathOne very core part of it, though, is basically being unable to relate to society. Anti-social. A group, by definition, is a social construct. Lookin at you, solo miners.
He isn't talking about consequences of actions, he is talking about people's behaviors in an "anonymous" world in how it actually is showing your true nature. |
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