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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 03:14:00 -
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Knus'lar wrote:
I have to say i agree. I dont think anyone is really fit to make statements on the whole of human psyche to be honest with you.
I mean I hate to be a **** to a serviceman and all, but "I'm in the military, I know these things" is probably ranked pretty high up there on the dumb things I've read on these forums when it comes to understanding human psychology, how the ID works, etc etc.
I mean imagine if any other person that wasn't protected by the gravitas of going to war had said that? He'd have been laughed out of the room.
"I work at the food court, I watched people... this is how people are..."
"I toiled away at the carwash. Rich peoples cars. Poor peoples cars. I've seen them all. I know how they behave."
I mean support our military ooh rah etc etc, but no matter how you butter it up he's basically been a member of one pack of poor folk, shooting at another pack of poor folk in the name of duty to some assholes who don't give a **** about them. When running the gamut of the human condition he's seen one of the nastier extremes sure. But that doesn't imply knowledge to any of the others.
Whatever, **** it. It sounds like I'm trying to drag the person down instead of the idea, which isn't quite right. |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.06.08 03:16:00 -
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When I have questions about human psychology and well-reasoned views of the human race, I immediately turn to recently returned war veterans. They sure are a stable group of folks known for their lack of mental illnesses! |
Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
243
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Posted - 2012.06.08 03:32:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:
Seek therapy. This isn't a troll post or a joke post, or me ******* with you.
If you are using Eve as a "Virtual world" to live out a "Virtual Life" to escape reality and it is "Not just a game to you" then you need to seek Therapy.
But didn't you know? - EVE IS REAL!!!
All you're saying is "you're playing the game wrong" - but you are wrong because EVE is an MMO ARRR PEEE GEEE. Lots of things in the game, and the marketing, suggest that CCP is trying to attract at least some players who will get immersed in the virtual world. I'm one of those myself. Sometimes, EVE feels real, and I feel like I'm a space pilot. I'm immersed just like I would be in a book or a film, and everyday reality has receded into the background, with virtual reality to the fore.
That is just a form of entertainment.
However, if you were to say I'd be an idiot to let myself get really upset about loss in the game (beyond momentarily wanting to throw my computer out the window sometimes  ) then you'd be right.
Anyone who comes to EVE expecting a pure PvE experience where they can just goof off is definitely playing the wrong game, even if their primary interest is immersion, lore, rp, etc.
And also (again, speaking on the side of EVE's "harshness") EVE is a game in which the danger of being violenced, and the necessity to guard against that, is part of the immersion. |
Olleybear
I R' Carebear
84
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Posted - 2012.06.08 03:35:00 -
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I too need to wait for someone else to inform me when "people are mean" and am unable to come to a rational conclusion based on years of experience living among people. As a matter of fact, just yesterday, some guy was hitting me repeatedly about the head. It was decided that both he and I would wait for some accredited 3rd party with a college degree to tell us whether or not what he was doing is wrong.
True story!
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
118
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Posted - 2012.06.08 03:42:00 -
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Olleybear wrote:I too need to wait for someone else to inform me when "people are mean" and am unable to come to a rational conclusion based on years of experience living among people. As a matter of fact, just yesterday, some guy was hitting me repeatedly about the head. It was decided that both he and I would wait for some accredited 3rd party with a college degree to tell us whether or not what he was doing is wrong.
True story!
While you are spot on, there are still people looking at the world through colored glasses and are convinced everything is as they see it.
Also, the 3rd party college degree would just cite what someone else said  |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
429
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Posted - 2012.06.08 03:43:00 -
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Olleybear wrote:I too need to wait for someone else to inform me when "people are mean" and am unable to come to a rational conclusion based on years of experience living among people. As a matter of fact, just yesterday, some guy was hitting me repeatedly about the head. It was decided that both he and I would wait for some accredited 3rd party with a college degree to tell us whether or not what he was doing is wrong.
True story!
Now apply that to a video game. |
Olleybear
I R' Carebear
84
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Posted - 2012.06.08 03:58:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Olleybear wrote:I too need to wait for someone else to inform me when "people are mean" and am unable to come to a rational conclusion based on years of experience living among people. As a matter of fact, just yesterday, some guy was hitting me repeatedly about the head. It was decided that both he and I would wait for some accredited 3rd party with a college degree to tell us whether or not what he was doing is wrong.
True story! Now apply that to a video game.
Me: Pew Pew Pew
Him: Pew Pew Pew
One of us pops.
Both of us: GF
Conclusion: Neither person is a numpty
or
Him: Mining laser buzzing noise
Someone Else: Pew Pew Pew
Him pops
Someone Else: Moar Tears! You deserved it! You mad bro?
Someone Else: Rinse and repeat and repeat and repeat......
Conclusion: Someone Else is getting kicks out of ruining someones day and is a numpty.
Of course, without a college degree in psychology, my thinking he is a numpty is suspect as the piece of paper a person spent lots of money on it is obviously "more right".
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Aerethir El-Kharisti
17
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:15:00 -
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Knus'lar wrote:I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground.
For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?
Just because people are ganking carebears, it does not make them sociopaths. There is a whole array of phenomena and symptoms that have to get together, before one can put the diagnosis of sociopathy out there. So yes, it bothers me. People should bloody tank already, makes ganking so much harder.
With great power comes great electricity bill. |
Stalafur
State War Academy
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:33:00 -
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This game is where people -mostly- release their inner douche to reap mayhem and chaos, while in the process of making stupid amounts of isk of course. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
743
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:57:00 -
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Sociapath? Psychopath?
"Silence! I kill you!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gZ6-6RbSEg
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Serena Serene
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.06.08 05:17:00 -
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First: I admit to not having read the whole thread, just skimmed through it.
Second:
I don't know about sociopaths, but I -do- think people who act like an ass on the internet, and enjoy it, tend to be assholes in "real life" as well. Maybe they don't show it there, maybe they do, I don't know. Sometimes it's honestly kind of scary for me to see how many people can totally lose it on forums or in games.
That said, some examples:
- Ganking some innocent whatever for profit is not being an *******, it's playing the game.
- Ganking some innocent whatever without profit for fun is not being an *******, it's playing the game.
- But doing the above -repeatedly- to the same person, pursuing them, is being an ass, in my opinion.
- Doing the above as form of revenge after being gravely insulted is either good rp or punishment, to a degree.
- Insulting and talking crap after a fight, no matter the outcome, is, depending on the level of insults, something between amusing and disturbing.
- Doing the above in response to experiencing it for yourself is not something I'd do, but somehow understandable (to a degree).
Well, I'm probably starting to get boring at that point, so let me try to summarize:
There are some things that make you an ******* in my opinion, or even disturb me, most notably when you genuinely enjoy distress and unhappiness of others without being provoked by them (and even then if it reaches high enough levels like going after a person for weeks even if they've obviously learned their lesson).
Playing the game to have fun destroying other people's spaceship because you enjoy the hunt and because you can.. does not. It is this kind of game, and making even "high security" areas more dangerous by actions like this makes it more interesting to me (who, so far, is a high-sec dweller).
It does bother me when people honestly think they can diagnose others of a mental illness over the internet.
Since most of the people who say such a thing usually don't really know what it means they said, though, I don't care. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
55
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Posted - 2012.06.08 05:26:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:In the RW...
I am actually a very calm and collected person... although still a geek.
When people bug me at work I simple tell them, because of what you did or did not do, somebody in EVE online is going hate me today.
Does that make a sociopath? I would rather vent by blowing things up in make believe than show up at the office with a shotgun.
Funny Story... I told my co-workers the only thing keeping me from showing up at work with a Shotgun and blowing all you away is my ability to go online and shoot people. I got nervous laughter which i found extremely funny.
They pay for my internet connection.
Showing up at work with a shotgun makes one a sociopath (unless you're a cop/military and the shotgun is for "official business"). Blowing up ships in Eve doesn't, just makes you a gamer. Now, a sociopath playing Eve was already a sociopath to begin with. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.06.08 05:31:00 -
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I have a lot of anger and frustration that I have to work through, due to my current health issues. I tend to get pretty moody, depressed, and short tempered.
So when I log into a ******* game that lets me ******* shoot the **** out of a bunch of *******, I stay docked in a station and manufacture crap to sell to others.
It's very relaxing.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1005
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:01:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:I have a lot of anger and frustration that I have to work through, due to my current health issues. I tend to get pretty moody, depressed, and short tempered.
So when I log into a ******* game that lets me ******* shoot the **** out of a bunch of *******, I stay docked in a station and manufacture crap to sell to others.
It's very relaxing.
Hm, well I guess you aren't making supercaps then :(.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1603
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Posted - 2012.06.08 15:10:00 -
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Interesting article on sociopaths. |
Acot Voth
State War Academy
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.06.08 15:14:00 -
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All humans have 2 things in common, fighting and f***ing. It's in our nature to fight, give us an environment where we need to fight and watch how quickly even the most non violent people turn to violence. You ask are PVPers sociopaths? No, they are just human. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7776
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Posted - 2012.06.08 15:39:00 -
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Well, that would explain why miners get so upset when you try to teach them EVE mechanicsGǪ 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
Exhale.
43
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Posted - 2012.06.08 15:40:00 -
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Knus'lar wrote:I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground.
For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?
"Someone in a video game where the main purpose is blowing up each others spaceships blew up my spaceship! THEY'RE MENTALLY UNSTABLE SOCIOPATHS!!!111"
No carebears, you are the mentally unstable |
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
88
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:50:00 -
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According to that EVERYONE is a Sociopath.
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Betrinna Cantis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:59:00 -
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Everyone in this game is a "PVP'er" whether anyone likes it or not. It is a "Person vs Person" game not matter what you do. I you chat in local, you pvp by definition because you interacted with another....wait for it... ANOTHER PERSON! |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1603
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:59:00 -
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Alexandra Delarge wrote:According to that EVERYONE is a Sociopath.
To say that 4 percent of the population consists of sociopaths might be inaccurate. I have read many times that it was one percent.
I think sociopathy is more like a spectrum in the same way there is for autism or HFA/Aspergers. (That's just an observation). |
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:23:00 -
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Alia Gon'die wrote:Now to go browse webMD and wikipedia to self-diagnose yourself with Aspergers.
And if you play EVE and not just the forums you can do the same considering the repetitious grind nature of it, be it PvE or PvP.
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Kaijusan
Austro-Hungarian Empire
D0GS OF WAR
0
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:39:00 -
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Its a game.
Pixels, thats all it is.
Eve is a diversion, entertainment.
Nothing you gain or lose in game is real.
So in the end, who cares.
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