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Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
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Posted - 2012.06.06 08:18:00 -
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Degren wrote: One very core part of it, though, is basically being unable to relate to society. Anti-social. A group, by definition, is a social construct.
Lookin at you, solo miners.
Hmm, so your sayin its the solo miners that are mining the minerals that almost every item in eve is constructed from are the ones that are unable to relate to EVE society. That the players that shoot those defenseless mining ships are actually helping EVE as a group by making those naughty miners stop with their selfish activities...
I cant possibly think think of any flaws in that argument, no sir no flaws in that logic, we just get rid of the selfish primary producers and the rest of society will be just fine. Or your making excuses to justify your previous beliefs, one or the other.
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hedge betts Shiyurida
State War Academy Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.06.06 08:22:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Accusing strangers of moral or psychological deviancy based on behavior in a video game only shows your own shortcomings to the world. downer
Cup the balls, and work the shaft |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
411
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Posted - 2012.06.06 08:26:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:In the RW...
I am actually a very calm and collected person... although still a geek.
When people bug me at work I simple tell them, because of what you did or did not do, somebody in EVE online is going hate me today.
Does that make a sociopath? I would rather vent by blowing things up in make believe than show up at the office with a shotgun.
Funny Story... I told my co-workers the only thing keeping me from showing up at work with a Shotgun and blowing all you away is my ability to go online and shoot people. I got nervous laughter which i found extremely funny.
They pay for my internet connection. Oh dear. DO NOT joke like that. It's bad enough being known to be a firearms instructor, worse actually having to work in an office. People like to ninny and say they feel threatened. It's kind of like meta-gaming in an MMO. Sure they can't get your job or get promoted over you or something, but if they can say they "feel threatened" and get you hauled off by the cops, they will. Again I prefer if people who do stuff like that would play this game. That sort would come up to a belt in a Wreathe and one miner and see a Hulk and hit the "report bot" button just out of jealousy. People would joke and ask me if I would bring a gun to work to help straighten out management and I would say "STFU that crap gives cops a chance to add to their own gun collections:" Don't joke about that stuff. Eventually you will be dealing with someone who hears the word "gun" and they grow a 500 lb vagina and start peeing themselves and then you might find yourself in trouble.
haha yeah...
They actually said they would love to see me loose control since I never do.
But if people around me did not know my personality or how I behave then I might have had an issue with what you describe. Only make jokes like that and push boundries if you know people can take it. It takes a small slip in misjudgement of others threshold to recieve an invitation from HR to join them for Coffee. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy African
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1522
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Posted - 2012.06.06 08:37:00 -
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I seriously consider people that scream "u mad" and ignore everything the other man says as sociopaths, yes. They simply ignore every actual feeling one has and project only their own **** onto the other.
People that are so desperately in need of "SchadenFreude", that they have no idea about what's actually going on/said by the other man ... definitely have issues with themselves.
And for the "it's just roleplaying"-crowd, i have to say that NOBODY can untie any of his behaviour from his inner workings / mental state / emotional situation.
The last idiot i've blocked said he "raped" me and was proud about his mate using a disruptor and himself using a neut, while the faction police killed me. And then they claimed awesomeness and me being mad, although they haven't done anything except killwhoring. Acting like literally 12 year old kids that try to find a spot in their life, because they haven't figured out yet how to be actually proud of themselves.
I sure hope i don't run out of blocking-slots too soon. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
118
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Posted - 2012.06.06 08:52:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:In the RW...
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Funny Story... I told my co-workers the only thing keeping me from showing up at work with a Shotgun and blowing all you away is my ability to go online and shoot people. I got nervous laughter which i found extremely funny.
They pay for my internet connection. Oh dear. DO NOT joke like that. It's bad enough being known to be a firearms instructor, worse actually having to work in an office. ... People would joke and ask me if I would bring a gun to work to help straighten out management and I would say "STFU that crap gives cops a chance to add to their own gun collections:" Don't joke about that stuff. Eventually you will be dealing with someone who hears the word "gun" and they grow a 500 lb vagina and start peeing themselves and then you might find yourself in trouble.
No need to overthink it. Where I'm from, you make joke/threats like that and magical things start to happen. Things like your wheel-nuts becoming loosened.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Nomad I
University of Caille Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.06.06 08:53:00 -
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A sociopath isn't able to build long term relationships and I see many lonely miners in the belts. |
Bossy Lady
Aliastra Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.06.06 08:56:00 -
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These things go through fashions. At the moment it's "You ganked my ship, you must be a sociopath."
Before that it was "You ganked my ship, you must have been abused as a child"
Before that it was "You ganked my ship, you must be an obese basement dweller"
Before that it was "You ganked my ship, you must be a teenage kid"
Before that, I wasn't playing EVE, but no doubt there was an equally plausible and evidence-based reason for you ganking my ship. Possibly because you were a hacker or maybe a communist vampire.
I wonder if it will ever be "You ganked my ship, you must have outplayed me in this encounter. Maybe next time I'll do the same to you"...?
Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
143
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Posted - 2012.06.06 09:06:00 -
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This comment usually comes from buthurt players that don't understand what EvE Online is. It's simply the result of their two-digit IQ at work.
It's like playing Poker and then calling someone "sociopath" because they took your money. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
142
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Posted - 2012.06.06 09:32:00 -
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Spikeflach wrote:Quote:This might be accurate if there were real world consequences for blowing up someone's ship. He isn't talking about consequences of actions, he is talking about people's behaviors in an "anonymous" world in how it actually is showing your true nature.
He was actually talking about people's actions when consequences are removed or diminished shows the strength of their moral character. This is true other than the fact that this is a computer game. Killing someone in a game or stealing in a game doesn't really have the same kind of effect on the victim/s as it does in real life, which is where the comparison doesn't really work.
Destiny Corrupted wrote: - to a small/moderate degree, all of the above, but more often than not, mostly from the following list:
- extreme cussing - promises of petitions due to my apparent use of hacks and exploits - accusations of real-life terrorism - threats of lawsuit/police action - real-life threats to harm me (mostly done by people who also claimed to be in the armed forces or in possession of weapons) - real-life threats to sexually-assault me - real-life threats to harm my wife/significant other (I am unmarried) - real-life threats to harm my children (I have no kids) - real-life threats to sexually-assault my wife/significant other - real-life threats to sexually-assault my children
(I really wish I didn't have to put that last one on there, but I don't want to sugar-coat the issue either; not only has it happened, it's happened more than once.)
It's amazing how many people can go absolutely ape **** over something like a game and then in the same breath accuse you of mental instability. A lot of people gank simply because of the hilarity of the reactions they get. |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
413
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Posted - 2012.06.06 10:16:00 -
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To go back on topic...
With regards to what people think Griefers/pvpers are compared to Carebears.
I have more abuse from Carebears than Griefers/pvpers. I see destiny has put it in list nicely and I can tell that is exactly how it is.
I get more threats from Carebears when they loose ships than I do from other PVP'ers.
So to me it appears the really calm and good people are PVP'ers to do something they can;t do in RL... like blow up spaceships. Carebears are the sociopaths. Very agressive in RL, do something calming ingame until there world explodes into threats of retribution. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy African
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
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Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
105
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Posted - 2012.06.06 10:32:00 -
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I try not to let things bother me.
But, I do think the reason underneath a good bit of the rage and name calling from the gankee community might very well be based in jealousy.
Who doesn't want to be the cool kid who runs around killing folks randomly without seeming to care about consequence or reputation... who has the skill to pull off such ganks, the balls to actually pvp, who does not seem at all constrained by societies norms... those norms which so hinder themselves.
S "The next time airport security tells you to put your hands over your head and hold that vulnerable position for seven seconds, ask yourself: Is this the posture of a free man?" |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7707
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Posted - 2012.06.06 10:38:00 -
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Nah. The argument doesn't bother me.
What bothers me is the hypocrisy of the people saying it (considering that they almost universally raise every flag on the list of ASPD characteristics, in particular the one about not adhering to rules and norms).
Then again, that level of self-reflection is pretty much out of the question for them so it's to be expected, I suppose. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
43
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Posted - 2012.06.06 10:51:00 -
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Knus'lar wrote:I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground.
For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?
Son, the world is ruled by sociopaths,....know what? Most of them were even elected by their people.
To topic: I think a lot of people do actually take this and other Games FAR to serious.
I can tell you an anecdote: Some years ago, a "friend" who was playing WoW on a PvP server by that time thought about trying out another faction on a role play server. Leaving the first starter area heading for the capital he stumbled across a group of Nightelves and Humans who were just busy with "erotic role play" in front of stormwind. I mean...thats just wrong...
Others try to substitute their lack of real life contacts online, and those guys really take things serious ingame.
I personally love the hatered comments we often get in local when we pop all this little pixel-dreams...for me it is all about the fun after a hard day or week of work. In fact most pvp pilots I know have quite time consuming real life jobs, families and social relations and log in for a few hours a week to...well, just blow up other peoples stuff. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
321
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Posted - 2012.06.06 10:54:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:
You have a link where someone who was ganked (NPC alt's don't count) saying flat out that anyone who ganks or does PvP is a sociopath?
I can't tell if he was ganked or is an alt, but from here. MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:If a player is happy mining scordite in 1.0 space why is that a problem? It isn't a problem If a player like to sit in Jita making trades why is that a problem? It isn't a problem If a player prefers to do hi-sec missions what is the problem? There isn't a problem.
As a response to part 2 of your question look at these forums and count the number of high sec residents screaming bloody murder that they should be 100% safe in high sec, lobbying CCP for a 100% safe high sec, and making ludicrous claims about other players violating the EULA. If mining and missioning in hi sec aren't problems to these sociopaths, then why the incessant call to arms from the "hardcore PVPer" community to attack and kill them? Why the constant belligerence and belittling against them? Why the unfounded and deliberate accusations that carebears are greedy and stupid? Why the constant whining and crying about moving missions and anything remotely fun to them into lo/null sec? Why the constant whining that carebears should be kicked out of NPC corps and hi sec altogether? Do you consider the act of enjoying ruining someone else's day (ie "collecting tears") normal or even healthy behavior? And I am not talking about PVP'ing for in-game reasons. When you "PVP" to deliberatly provoke real negative reactions from a real human being because this brings you joy (note how your enjoyment is also real) then you can stop it right there claiming that the game is "just a game", because at that point to you, it has become more than that. And I maintaine that not only are you a sociopath, but a sadistic one at that.
The hate and pleasure for ruining people's days that hulkageddon seems to breed are but a few signs of this ill-intent behavior. And no, I haven't been ganked in hi sec. I don't even mine in hi sec.
I also find the hypocrisy of a couple of posters in this thread who have in numerous occasions called carebears (among other names) greedy, cowards, sociopaths in real life, quite ironic. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
530
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Posted - 2012.06.06 10:57:00 -
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I don't know about anyone else, but I act the same in real life. Say someone cuts me off on the highway. I shoot out their tires, ram into the rear of their vehicle, get out, fling open their door and throw them over the divider and then I blow up what's left of the car.
Afterward, I steal everything I can from the owner of the destroyed vehicle, then I leave him/her naked on the side of the highway.
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nat longshot
New Eden Inc.
30
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Posted - 2012.06.06 10:59:00 -
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Knus'lar wrote:I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground.
For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?
no for the simple fact if you did anything like alot of people do in eve you'd get your butt stomped if you did **** this in the real world. eve you can be at jerk off you wished you could be for the fact its online and 99% of the people in eve dont care its the "i dont know you int the real world so ill f you in the butt untill you stop playing." |
nat longshot
New Eden Inc.
30
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Posted - 2012.06.06 11:09:00 -
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Spy 21 wrote:I try not to let things bother me.
But, I do think the reason underneath a good bit of the rage and name calling from the gankee community might very well be based in jealousy.
Who doesn't want to be the cool kid who runs around killing folks randomly without seeming to care about consequence or reputation... who has the skill to pull off such ganks, the balls to actually pvp, who does not seem at all constrained by societies norms... those norms which so hinder themselves.
S
Ganking a help less mining ship 1 dont take skill. 2 ganker dont have balls they just have wallets that let them gank. 3.Ganks there not sociopath's they just think there big stuff when there not. just sad sacks that think there big pvpers "look i have 4 bil in hulk kills" with what 20 mil lose in a destoryer my my want a skilled pvper.
i have gank 3 mining ships in the 4 and half years in eve i was really bored but in the end what the fun in ganking a ship that really cant fight back and there no honor in it eather "honor" is something lacking in most eve players i see btw.
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Geoscape
32
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Posted - 2012.06.06 11:14:00 -
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Until recently i thought that true carebears were rare in eve online. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
799
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Posted - 2012.06.06 11:41:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Do you consider the act of enjoying ruining someone else's day (ie "collecting tears") normal or even healthy behavior? And I am not talking about PVP'ing for in-game reasons. When you "PVP" to deliberately provoke real negative reactions from a real human being because this brings you joy (note how your enjoyment is also real) then you can stop it right there claiming that the game is "just a game", because at that point to you, it has become more than that. The game itself has become a real-life tool to project your ill-intent. And I maintain that not only are you a sociopath, but a sadistic one at that.
The hate and pleasure for ruining people's days that hulkageddon seems to breed are but a few signs of this ill-intent behavior. And no, I haven't been ganked in hi sec. I don't even mine in hi sec.
I also find the hypocrisy of a couple of posters in this very thread who have in numerous occasions called carebears (among other names) greedy, cowards, and sociopaths in real life, quite ironic. Say we are playing poker, and the game has run to high stakes. When I take you for $10000 dollars, does that or does that not ruin your day? And if it does, and I not allowed to enjoy the fact that I won?
At worst, gankers who gloat about it are bad sportsmen, but it is also very poor sportsmanship to sry about loosing. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.06.06 11:44:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Do you consider the act of enjoying ruining someone else's day (ie "collecting tears") normal or even healthy behavior? And I am not talking about PVP'ing for in-game reasons. When you "PVP" to deliberately provoke real negative reactions from a real human being because this brings you joy (note how your enjoyment is also real) then you can stop it right there claiming that the game is "just a game", because at that point to you, it has become more than that. The game itself has become a real-life tool to project your ill-intent. And I maintain that not only are you a sociopath, but a sadistic one at that.
The hate and pleasure for ruining people's days that hulkageddon seems to breed are but a few signs of this ill-intent behavior. And no, I haven't been ganked in hi sec. I don't even mine in hi sec.
I also find the hypocrisy of a couple of posters in this very thread who have in numerous occasions called carebears (among other names) greedy, cowards, and sociopaths in real life, quite ironic. Say we are playing poker, and the game has run to high stakes. When I take you for $10000 dollars, does that or does that not ruin your day? And if it does, and I not allowed to enjoy the fact that I won? At worst, gankers who gloat about it are bad sportsmen, but it is also very poor sportsmanship to sry about loosing.
But see, EVE is real, therefore... |
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Ituhata Saken
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
272
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Posted - 2012.06.06 11:46:00 -
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I was watching a show the other day about sociopaths. Apparently they tend to wind up in CEO positions. So before you start looking at your trigger happy mates around you, look up the ladder to your corp and alliance leaders.
That's right. One day they're going to show up at your house wearing a suit and a smile. They're going to shake your hand and then stab you repeatedly while firmly stating 'Good job on the Dow Corning contract Ted, great work!' You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~ |
pussnheels
401
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Posted - 2012.06.06 11:51:00 -
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You know this is really getting out of hand this whole debate . The huge majority of EVE players are either PVP oriented or industrial oriented players and usually go along well , with the ocasional war , gank etc like it has been for ...always in EVE But there are these 2 small minorities , the true hardcore carebears and the hardcore griefers everybody seems to talk about
Seems like people can"t see the difference any more , either you are a hardcore carebear or a hardcore griefer
and the goons pouring even more fuel over the fire doesn't really help either I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
413
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Posted - 2012.06.06 12:01:00 -
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While Im sure it doesn't stand for everyone, there are a few that are really sociopaths. Never encountered any in Eve but in another game I have, was even on vent with him when he had a total meltdown (insane jumble of rl insults and threats of finding another person irl to kill him). It was quite disturbing because a few months prior to this a Russian in the same game had actually beaten someone to death.
http://kotaku.com/345969/russian-man-killed-over-lineage-ii-clan-grudge This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
Millur
Blue Beret UFO Retrieval Team
5
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Posted - 2012.06.06 12:08:00 -
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Knus'lar wrote:I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately Internet forum is always spammed with trolls and rage in all forms, I for one never take them serious and get my lols and move on. General section in particular are the worst so just ignore this place and stick to the more specific sections of your interest for the best nuggets of posts and then game on. You cant arrange them by *****... |
Mussaschi
No Wise Guy's Stellar Economy Experts
51
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Posted - 2012.06.06 12:29:00 -
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Well, if a fat real life ******, discarded by his parents and regularly beaten by his school mates uses his time in the bunk to kill pixels instead of torturing kittens, I guess that is called improvement.
If moral ambiguous person found out that ganking hulks is profitable business in eve, I wouldn't blame him for following that money trail.
If a real as..ole is willing to show his true colors, and thereby gives you an opponent that you can leave bleeding on the street without feeling any remorse, I guess that gives the game some great opponents, and fun to play.
What I really don't like is the attitude of the game designers, doing such a poor job in creating a functioning sand box with a reasonable risk / reward ratio, and even take pride in their failures, as shown in the dev blog about burn jita.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
43
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Posted - 2012.06.06 12:41:00 -
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J3ssica Alba wrote:While Im sure it doesn't stand for everyone, there are a few that are really sociopaths. Never encountered any in Eve but in another game I have, was even on vent with him when he had a total meltdown (insane jumble of rl insults and threats of finding another person irl to kill him). It was quite disturbing because a few months prior to this a Russian in the same game had actually beaten someone to death. http://kotaku.com/345969/russian-man-killed-over-lineage-ii-clan-grudge
Do you even know the meaning of the term "sociopath"? |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
309
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Posted - 2012.06.06 12:46:00 -
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Mussaschi wrote:Well, if a fat real life ******, discarded by his parents and regularly beaten by his school mates uses his time in the bunk to kill pixels instead of torturing kittens, I guess that is called improvement.
If moral ambiguous person found out that ganking hulks is profitable business in eve, I wouldn't blame him for following that money trail.
If a real as..ole is willing to show his true colors, and thereby gives you an opponent that you can leave bleeding on the street without feeling any remorse, I guess that gives the game some great opponents, and fun to play.
What I really don't like is the attitude of the game designers, doing such a poor job in creating a functioning sand box with a reasonable risk / reward ratio, and even take pride in their failures, as shown in the dev blog about burn jita.
And here we have a prime example, throwing generalisations around like confetti at a wedding and adopting a (fake) moral superiority by convincing themselves that anyone who shoots a hulk or industrial ship is a backward neckbeard with emotional difficulties.
It's actually attitudes like this being waved around that has made so many want to gank hulks in the first place and I understand the sentiment so well. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method |
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
70
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Posted - 2012.06.06 12:46:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:[Do you consider the act of enjoying ruining someone else's day (ie "collecting tears") normal or even healthy behavior? And I am not talking about PVP'ing for in-game reasons. When you "PVP" to deliberately provoke real negative reactions from a real human being because this brings you joy (note how your enjoyment is also real) then you can stop it right there claiming that the game is "just a game", because at that point to you, it has become more than that. The game itself has become a real-life tool to project your ill-intent. And I maintain that not only are you a sociopath, but a sadistic one at that.
The hate and pleasure for ruining people's days that hulkageddon seems to breed are but a few signs of this ill-intent behavior. And no, I haven't been ganked in hi sec. I don't even mine in hi sec.
I also find the hypocrisy of a couple of posters in this very thread who have in numerous occasions called carebears (among other names) greedy, cowards, and sociopaths in real life, quite ironic. If you refuse to accept that 'it's just a game' then it is you that has the problem. |
Winters Chill
Homeworld Republic United Homeworlds
62
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Posted - 2012.06.06 12:47:00 -
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The people who say that are the kind of people that have temper tantrums when they play monopoly with their family.
Read "emotionally volatile". |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
108
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Posted - 2012.06.06 12:48:00 -
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The whole thing is dumb. The voices in my head clearly tell me I'm a psychopath |
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