lets see how long does this thread last

I've recently been looking back at the killboards of SKNK's incursion griefing victims. With roughly 250 kills it's too tedious to put together real numbers, but I have seen one remarkable trend...

I'd estimate that maybe 100 of our former targets had a history in nullsec or w-space prior to our encounter in a highsec incursion. Following their loss to our gank fleet...nothing, until the past month. A remarkable number of those characters have resumed activities in dangerous space and reentered the realm of PVP...apparently because of the incursion nerf. When the isk faucet was slowed down, they went back to doing what they did before.

This tells me two things. First, the incursioners were lying when they said "it's about the community!" Obviously not. The community didn't get nerfed and the payout is still decent. It's just not the crazy-high rewards of six months ago. No, it's become quite plain that it was never about community. It was about isk. And second, incursions were indeed drawing players away from other environments. Couple that with what we've learned about the priority of most of the people running incursions, and you realize that incursions were indeed bad for Eve. They drew people out of corporations and alliances solely to tap the isk faucet.

The incursion nerf has simply restored things to their previous state. I'm in favor of it staying just as it is. Let those who actually value the community continue running incursions. Let those who want an isk faucet chase it in place that provide risk along with the reward.

To be fair, no one in their right mind is going to do group content that pays the same or less per hour than equivalent solo content.

There's a lot more hassle (read: downtime when you aren't earning ISK) involved in getting to incursions, finding a fleet, waiting on the fleet to fill up, finding a new fleet when that one disbands, and so on. If you can pull in equivalent money in level 4 missions without all the downtime and hassle, who in their right mind would stick with Incursions? That doesn't mean people didn't enjoy the community aspect of it.

It's also worth recognizing that Incursion PVE content was at least more interesting than ratting anoms and the like in Null sec, and a lot of people used incursions to fund their PVP and to do so in a way that was more involved than other forms of PVE. I would not consider more involved and more interesting content to be "bad" for Eve because it drew some people away from mindless ratting and missioning by themselves. Surely you aren't suggesting that pulling people away from high sec missions to do more involved PVE content is "bad" for Eve.

Doesn't matter obviously Soundwave totally destroyed the system with his shortsighted sledgehammer of nerfdom. He had to placate his buddies down in Nullpeen.

Mazzy Star wrote:
To be fair, no one in their right mind is going to do group content that pays the same or less per hour than equivalent solo content.

Then you and I play games for completely different reasons.

So quit playing pickup fleets and get a regular group together. I fly with the same half-dozen people every day. We're consistently on and consistently working together. Why can't you get that sort of activity for incursions? Why do you have to FIND a fleet?

If the content is that much more interesting than solo ratting and missions, then why did everyone bail out?

Because they were there for the isk. Not for the content, not for the community, they were there purely to get in on the gold rush. This nerf has stripped away the veneer they put up. The past high level of incursion activity were based almost solely on greed. Which is fine by me, except that so many people denied that fact for months prior to the nerfs.

Incursions are a new thing.
Nerfing a new thing to balance it with all the old things is hardly 'killing a major part of eve'.
move the fk on.

As a note, go check faction mod prices since the nerf and let me know if you see a trend.
Yes, it probably has a lot to do with being floated on the normal market but it's related.

Tag prices increased again?

The biggest server population spike in the past 2 years is after Incursions got implemented. The biggest server population drop in the past 2 years, excluding Aur scandal, is after Incursions got nerfed.

Expansion too successful? Nerf it!

evidence??

btw, if you carebears keep claiming doing incursion to "fund" your pvp, link kb or stfu

Umad mr banjo?

Umad mr banjo?

Whats really astounding is, Why?

evidence??

btw, if you carebears keep claiming doing incursion to "fund" your pvp, link kb or stfu

I've recently been looking back at the killboards of SKNK's incursion griefing victims. With roughly 250 kills it's too tedious to put together real numbers, but I have seen one remarkable trend...

I'd estimate that maybe 100 of our former targets had a history in nullsec or w-space prior to our encounter in a highsec incursion. Following their loss to our gank fleet...nothing, until the past month. A remarkable number of those characters have resumed activities in dangerous space and reentered the realm of PVP...apparently because of the incursion nerf. When the isk faucet was slowed down, they went back to doing what they did before.

This tells me two things. First, the incursioners were lying when they said "it's about the community!" Obviously not. The community didn't get nerfed and the payout is still decent. It's just not the crazy-high rewards of six months ago. No, it's become quite plain that it was never about community. It was about isk. And second, incursions were indeed drawing players away from other environments. Couple that with what we've learned about the priority of most of the people running incursions, and you realize that incursions were indeed bad for Eve. They drew people out of corporations and alliances solely to tap the isk faucet.

The incursion nerf has simply restored things to their previous state. I'm in favor of it staying just as it is. Let those who actually value the community continue running incursions. Let those who want an isk faucet chase it in place that provide risk along with the reward.

Go check CCP's official server graph. Too lazy to link it.

why should I be mad??

I'm making 500m/hr, pvp in 1b T3, making isk in 4b archon, eve life is good for me

Go check CCP's official server graph. Too lazy to link it.

Largest drop in subscribers was last summer. The recent drop took place on May 15th. This date doesn't correlate to anything happening in EvE. If only there was a major gaming event that could somehow explain this "diabolical" drop.

So, move L4s to lowsec and incursionbears will form their "communities" again?

Largest drop in subscribers was last summer. The recent drop took place on May 15th. This date doesn't correlate to anything happening in EvE. If only there was a major gaming event that could somehow explain this "diabolical" drop.

May 15th was the first mid month date ater the Incursion NERF June 15th is the second & the day I'm considering unsubbing

May 15th was the first mid month date ater the Incursion NERF June 15th is the second & the day I'm considering unsubbing

May 15th was the first mid month date ater the Incursion NERF June 15th is the second & the day I'm considering unsubbing

Keiths Incursion thread guide

1. Someone expresses they are sad incuRsions suck
2.floppy tells some boring story about pvp
3. Darth cries
4. Repeat


Ps **** trying to type on iPads

why should I be mad??

I'm making 500m/hr, pvp in 1b T3, making isk in 4b archon, eve life is good for me

Please tell us where you live to check your 4b archon and 1b T3 . I am sure you dont afraid a carebare like me , you can check my history of 0 kills . (like people dont have alts .. )

Please tell us where you live to check your 4b archon and 1b T3 . I am sure you dont afraid a carebare like me , you can check my history of 0 kills . (like people dont have alts .. )

* ignores the troll........

you realize by stating that you're ignoring someone, you're not ignoring them right?

[quote=DarthNefarius][quote=Lunkwill Khashour][quote=sabre906][

Also, if you're unsubbing just because incursions don't bring up so much isk anymore, go ahead, i'll be happy to see the free spots in fleets when I switch to incursions... :P

I'm always a FC there will be 10-20 less slots

same old topic again, roll over and die or deal with it.

no more easy isk for you, go run L4s

in that case it means we have a whole fleet less in the incursions which means it's even easier to make isk in the sites

This is it exactly

CCP
It's mentioned that VG's fell to the floor after your last change but you are not asking "why did they fall to the floor and what was the biggest reason they fell to the floor?" You are not drilling down to the real root cause.

Now, if changing the OTA's is not a simple fix and one you can't get to right now, so you are adjusting the issues you can fix in hopes it will work is all you can do, then that is fine. Just be honest. At least I don't hope you are really counting on the new fixes to fix the issue

so when they introduce gold ammo will you shut up and deal with it? or run your f*cking mouth? i'm going to bet you run your f*cking mouth. you seem like the type. the sandbox is mutable, you should get used to the politics of game design.

Just looking at the Journal on the "Incursions Global Report" tab and of the 7 incursions available there only is activity in one!!

CCP did a good job there (not)!

Perhaps they are in league with the Sancha

On a more serious note though, the vast number of people who no longer do incursions must be a worry for CCP. Essentially CCP have killed a major part of EVE and that is not good. Not sure it will recover with any de-nerfing either

I ran an incursion this evening just to see what the fuss was about. I used my PVP Tengu and refit it for an incursion (about seventy mil for rigs + faction painter+faction ammo+etc).

The assault sat at a gate for while because we didn't have enough logi. We grabbed a nightmare, and use him to cap transfer with the Basi, which worked out fine for us. When we ran the site, it was fun. Comms were entertaining and light-hearted.

But the pay out was pathetic. I could have in the same time, made more in both LP and ISK running level 4s then running assaults, and I think this is the root of the problem: Group PVP that takes a while to form up pays less. People respond to both ISK and fun. Incursions have plenty of fun, but I could've run four level fours in the time it took get one incursion finished, and I can assure anyone that level fours make me want to tear my eyes out.

So, at the root of the problem is this: Why bother running group content when you can do it solo, at less danger and cost to yourself, and still make equivalent money? Until CCP figures that one out, I guess incursions will remain in their rather depleted state of being.

Also, to the trolls, I'm actually genuinely tired to read the ******** shiptoasting I'm seeing in this thread.

If you can pull in equivalent money in level 4 missions without all the downtime and hassle, who in their right mind would stick with Incursions?

Those who really did it for the community feeling? Yes they were *that* few.

CCP decimated the Incursion numbers and took a 2 month wait & see it'll get better attitude. THE STATS ARE OBVIOUS THE NUMBERS WILL NOT COME BACK.