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Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.09.23 17:29:00 - [91] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 23/09/2009 17:30:20 Originally by: Neci Maren Try me. Ahh, the arrogance of youth. Why would you even want to waste your time? Don't you have better things to do?
RedSplat	Posted - 2009.09.23 17:32:00 - [92] If the individual has an in game reason for persisting then what he is doing isn't against he EULA. If you are are not suited to the full spectrum of social interaction experienced by normal people in the real world perhaps you shouldn't play computer games that allow players equal license. I'm sure there is no reason you cant raise what you see as internet spaceships bullying in court but expect to be laughed at. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Liquidium Point Blank. Petition This	Posted - 2009.09.23 17:39:00 - [93] First. I wanna know how he know your second account. Secondly. Maybe you should find a corp with a CEO with a backbone. I mean, how big of a deal could this guy possibly be... I know plenty of corps who would love a free war dec.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.09.23 17:53:00 - [94] Originally by: RedSplat If the individual has an in game reason for persisting then what he is doing isn't against he EULA. If you are are not suited to the full spectrum of social interaction experienced by normal people in the real world perhaps you shouldn't play computer games that allow players equal license. I'm sure there is no reason you cant raise what you see as internet spaceships bullying in court but expect to be laughed at. Has nothing to do with your precious internet spaceships. People like this have no place in society among normal people, whether you want to admit it or not, it's not in the "spectrum of social interaction experienced by normal people in the real world". There's a reason such behavior falls under the category of abnormal psychology, their brains aren't working properly.
Neci Maren	Posted - 2009.09.23 17:53:00 - [95] Edited by: Neci Maren on 23/09/2009 17:55:36 Originally by: Liquidium First. I wanna know how he know your second account. Secondly. Maybe you should find a corp with a CEO with a backbone. I mean, how big of a deal could this guy possibly be... I know plenty of corps who would love a free war dec. Probably because the guy joined that corp and gave the information to the CEO that he wanted his alt to join too, thus giving this other guy information from that CEO as to who his alt account was. To the Professor Tarantula, stop with the ad hominem. Some of us might actually find this kind of stuff "fun." :)
Jonny 101 Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2009.09.23 19:31:00 - [96] Edited by: Jonny 101 on 23/09/2009 19:33:38 So I log into irc at uni because the lecture is getting, quite frankly a little dull. And I get this link posted to me, you know, while I was living my "life" (despite popular rumour I do actually have one). Anyway, while this thread is a good laugh I thought i'd clear up a few things, and i'll start by telling you how this all began (really began). Originally by: Schwarz Schutzstaffel No I was not a member at the time, I was simply hanging out in the channel to help other players thats the real sad part if I hadnt of done that I would never have met the guy.. I believe the fitting was to do with a caracal he said to use heavy launchers I said assault launchers as new player just wanted to run level 2 missions, and would not be able to fit many heavy launchers with his skill set.. This, is a joke. First off, if anyone asks me what they should fit on a caracal I always tell them "you don't, you get a proper ship" anyone who knows me can tell you how I feel about caracals, second, I haven't the faintest clue what the real difference between a heavy assault missile or heavy missile is nor do I care, they're missiles and real men fire lasers. This all began in the eve uni public channel, where I do indeed hang out and help the future generations of eve (hey, even future pirates start off as newbies, I consider it my duty to make sure those future pirates aren't met by a bunch of bleeding heart carebears alone). A lot of people don't like me hanging there, i'm a pirate, scammer, griefer, thief...you name it, if it's bad i've done it (Digitalcommunist and co were kind of my rolemodels when I began eve in early 06). Because of this I accept a lot of ** i'd never take outside the channel, including having Damoxenos aka Inquisitor Cerberuso (the latter character now sold) talk smack to me for a period of about two weeks, I repeatedly warned him to cut it out or else (in those words) and he didn't. Well, here we are, I hate rude, i'm not trying to justify anything, this is what makes eve great. Some guy is rude, es you off? Crush him like a ing bug. As for me being a psychopath living to harm this guy yada yada yada, he spends far more time and energy on this than I do, he's been stalking me around public channels I hang in tossing passive aggressive comments about how he's petitioning me for this and that etc, talking to people trying to plot my doom, trying to hire mercenaries on me etc etc. All I do is is do a show info on him once a week or so, and if he's in a new corp I talk to his CEO, just informing him of the facts, and on a few occations where the CEO has replied with " you omg **ing pirate dirtbag" I convo one of my many friends in the merc community, and toss them some isk to grief them. All in all, I spend maybe one hour a week griefing damo, and it's an hour I find both relaxing and enjoyable. I do many things in eve, a little pvp, but mainly scamming and mercenary work, i'm not the normal type of mercenary though, I usually work for a few private wealthy industrialists taking care of people who either annoy them or get in their way. Put short, I make a lot of my isk in eve by being paid to do just what i'm doing to this guy as revenge, so it's not really a big leap for me. When you take into consideration my considerable wealth and my connections in the mercenary industry, griefing people who are rude to me isn't so much effort, as something you do for a laugh with a few friends on a slow wednesday night. I gave him a chance to make it all end mind you, I told him (a long time ago) that a public apology would be an end to it. He did make an apology post eventually which can be found: Here but as you can see, it didn't take him long to not only go back on it, but start the same smack that began this in the first place. PS. Listen to Digi, he truly is a EULA guru.
Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts	Posted - 2009.09.23 19:39:00 - [97] It appears that this thread is over -------------------------------------------- Quote: EVE-Online... Too rough for ya? Don't like it? GTFO...
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.09.23 19:41:00 - [98] Some ppl had an idea you were involved early on in this thread, I had no idea who they meant, then someone linked the 'apology' thread and it became somewhat clearer. When I thought this guy had a genuine claim of harassment I offered advice, but shortly after I started to think this guy probably brought on himself. He really shouldn't air his dirty laundry in the forums like this unless he's willing to offer all the story. ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2009.09.23 19:45:00 - [99] I'll tell u a lil story... Once there was this guy who entered our corp. Shortly after we noticed a decrease in stuff in our corp hangar, it was all basic crap which was donated by corpies, anyone could take from it cuz... like i said, it was ur basic crap, but someone took it all. It wasn't worth a lot, mebbe a few mills, hell, if anyone in corp wanted money that bad, they could have asked and gotten more without hesitation. There wasn't a lot of proof, but apparently enough to boot the new guy, he denied it offcourse and then... we got a wardec. Apparently he had a few powerfull friends or mebbe it was all a lie, but whatever, we were at war with him, he send me a mail telling me to not join in the war cuz we would lose and he 'liked' me so he wanted to warn me. I told him i would do no such thing, my corp was at war and i would fight, and i did. My honor would allow nothing else. So i fought him and i lost a ship or 2 and at some point the war ended...Thats that u would think, but no, apparently he felt the need to stalk me, and with stalk i mean that, he would follow me around, trying to contact me again and again, even though i told him to stop it. I even blocked him and told him kindely not to contact me ever again. he circumvented the blcok by tricking other people into contacting me. sometimes it would stop for a while but after a few weeks it would flare up again. He even made alts. It gotten to a point where it got a lil creepy so i petitioned him. He stopped trying to concact me after that and i think he got a ban cuz he dissapeared from eve altogether. So i'd say, petition it! Other people messing with your playing enjoyment is not fun and thats what they are doing. ________________________________________________
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.09.23 19:49:00 - [100] Originally by: Jonny 101 As for me being a psychopath living to harm this guy yada yada yada, he spends far more time and energy on this than I do, he's been stalking me around public channels I hang in tossing passive aggressive comments about how he's petitioning me for this and that etc, talking to people trying to plot my doom, trying to hire mercenaries on me etc etc. This is entirely possible too. It's a common tactic for true psychopaths to play the victim because they can't admit to themselves what they are. They present themselves as saints. You seem to be up front about your less than honorable behavior and tendencies, which is an asset for your case. But It's impossible to say for sure what's going on here without actually knowing either of you in real life. So maybe just agree to leave eachother alone and forget about the whole thing?

Jonny 101 Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2009.09.23 19:51:00 - [101] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Jonny 101 As for me being a psychopath living to harm this guy yada yada yada, he spends far more time and energy on this than I do, he's been stalking me around public channels I hang in tossing passive aggressive comments about how he's petitioning me for this and that etc, talking to people trying to plot my doom, trying to hire mercenaries on me etc etc. This is entirely possible too. It's a common tactic for true psychopaths to play the victim because they can't admit to themselves what they are. They present themselves as saints. You seem to be up front about your less than honorable behavior and tendencies, which is an asset for your case. But It's impossible to say for sure what's going on here without actually knowing either of you in real life. So maybe just agree to leave eachother alone and forget about the whole thing? How about you go back to hobby psychologists school and stop throwing terms that have a very real meaning to some people around at random people you don't approve of?
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:07:00 - [102] Originally by: Jonny 101 How about you go back to hobby psychologists school and stop throwing terms that have a very real meaning to some people around at random people you don't approve of? Now you're trying to start a fight with me? I only said i don't approve of sociopaths.
DigitalCommunist November Corporation	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:09:00 - [103] What's this? Oh. Another butthurt carebear too scared, lazy and inept to take matters into their own hands and seeks to hide behind EULA non-shocker. Why people insist on doubting my rightness in this day and age is beyond comprehension. ¼_¼
Jonny 101 Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:14:00 - [104] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Jonny 101 How about you go back to hobby psychologists school and stop throwing terms that have a very real meaning to some people around at random people you don't approve of? Now you're trying to start a fight with me? I only said i don't approve of sociopaths. And what do sociopaths have to do with this thread? Kind of painted yourself into a corner here.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:16:00 - [105] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Why people insist on doubting my rightness in this day and age is beyond comprehension. ¼_¼ I'll doubt it any time you make categorical statements that contradict written policy, but that part has been cleared up… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:20:00 - [106] Originally by: Jonny 101 Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Jonny 101 How about you go back to hobby psychologists school and stop throwing terms that have a very real meaning to some people around at random people you don't approve of? Now you're trying to start a fight with me? I only said i don't approve of sociopaths. And what do sociopaths have to do with this thread? Kind of painted yourself into a corner here. It's sociopathic behavior you two are accusing eachother of. Don't take your rage out on me. Learn to deal with it.
Jonny 101 Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:21:00 - [107] I'm accusing someone of lying, I neither know nor care anything about this person irl, i'm here to play a game.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:31:00 - [108] Originally by: Jonny 101 I'm accusing someone of lying Yes, but when you get into motives of people who lie more than usual and manipulate others you enter the realm of mental illnesses. Anyway, forget all about the sociopath thing. The thread is becoming too focused on that.
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:43:00 - [109] Originally by: Jonny 101 lots and lots of stuff For a pirate you sure spin a boring yarn. And you seem kind of boring yourself. Wherever you went - Here you are.
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2009.09.23 21:07:00 - [110] Hire mercs to grief him back. Problem solved. Or try to contract Goons to jihad him to oblivion, though that could backfire horribly. On another note, how do you like your pods in the morning?

FOl2TY8 Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.09.23 21:27:00 - [111] I was playing GTA4 last night and shot Kiki in the face. I loaded my saved game and did it again, this time I saved the game with Kiki dead. Screw that beeyatch. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
Shevar Minmatar Target Practice incorporated	Posted - 2009.09.23 22:07:00 - [112] Originally by: Glamaz Cruciatia so you all approve the fact that this guy is able to a) follow me around from character to character harassing me B) Grief with the intention of causing me to quit the game c) Grief over an extended period of time, with no chance of person being able to fight back Believe me I have tried to fight back many times, just makes things worse!!! A) From character to character? Is he a psychic so he knows every name you use when making an alt? B) This is pretty acceptable in eve, just look at corp thefts or high sec suicide squads. C) You mean you are to incapable to fight back? You haven't provided any reasons why you are being "stalked" (although having **** SS references in your alts last name really doesn't help you) and that there is nothing that you can do about it... Perhaps it's time you reinvent the way you play the game. If industry like corp is out of the question because they are pansies try finding another type of corp. If you really don't want to play in another way then perhaps eve isn't for you. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Zartanic	Posted - 2009.09.23 22:30:00 - [113] This is a load of rubbish. Some things claimed are not possible unless the 'victim' is not only enjoying it but giving information to the griefer to allow him to continue.
Lord Jita Lord Jita's Big Gay Corp	Posted - 2009.09.23 22:39:00 - [114] Some guy keeps relisting his module price so they are .01 isk below my price. I have to spend hours a day changing my price to even sell anything. I am going to petition him for harassing me.
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.09.23 22:40:00 - [115] Edited by: Serge Bastana on 23/09/2009 22:40:18 Or, as was previously suggested, the OP joined these corps with his alts as well and that allowed his opponent to learn their identity, but there seem to be a lot of inconsistencies with his story anyway, so it's very possible he tried smacking the guy in a chat channel using a few alts and was recognised. ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Brujo Loco Amarr Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2009.09.24 00:29:00 - [116] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Here's a shocking truth about EVE: You are not guaranteed to make money, or advance in the game. You are not entitled to skillpoints, shiny toys, good relationships and a wonderful e-reputation. You are only entitled to a newbie ship, basic clone and complimentary unit of tritanium. When some other player gets in your way, they aren't actually robbing you of something you were promised for your $15/month. CCP only promise access to the server, to play under the same set of rules and tools as everyone else. If you fail at it completely, you can't cry about it to GMs. The simple solution to someone killing you and making you miserable is to kill them more, kill them harder, and inflict ten times the suffering they wished upon you. Then when you've done all that, make a post about it and have a giant community-wide circlejoyfest at their expense. Release branded merchandise of your holy crusade, and generally profit from their miscalculation in every concievable way because someone who insists on being feared and hated is only beaten when you become far more terrifying at the same game. DC, I have known you, or more exactly, about you, since the ... err ... incidents regarding certain in-game events "terrorized" by ... you. So for the newcomers or latecomers that are not old enough, I can vouch for DC being , well, kinda evil. His list of "Atrocities" against the IN-GAME atmosphere border on the mind numbingly annoying, dastardly and sometimes hideous and extreme. Why I say this? Why I verify his Vilipendiated Resume? To focus on something pertaining to this thread. Despite DC and me being complete opposites on the philosophical enjoyment of EvE, since I'm a carebear through and through, this does not make me fail to realize that the quoted part above me, written by him is THE TRUE CORE AND SOUL OF EVE. DC has been known, the same as Lofty, Istvaan, Viceroy and other old timers I remember as people that play EVE in a way that be considered griefing, malicious or plain wicked. They just enjoy the game in a certain way, just the same as I do, the clash comes from the enormous truth in the small dissertion above this post. We all carve our own piece of EVE and do with it whatever we want, because we are entitled in here to what we can GET and then HOLD. No more no less, I try to be relatively carebearish cuz I enjoy cruising around space the few times I can actually log, but if I ever wanted to turn into a hideous spawn of utter terror, EVE, given time, resources and a good corp/corpmates, will be willing to give me the embrace into darkness. And that's the beauty of it. The fact I love this game (and forums) so much is the feeling of being in a cesspool of decadence where you can survive either by lying low, bribing, murdering, blackmailing or plain clawing with bare hands at the infinite pool of disdain that humanity is, as I gorge on the Preadamite demons of Lust, Avarice, Hubris and Envy. No better picture of who we really are than this so called "game". Nobler feelings are truly rare, and trust is simply a short term treaty of "dont kill me and I wont kill you ... yet". I eat with delight the evilness here, only to be bluntly honest, see others doing worse as me. And here I know I speak for Legion, for there are many like me here. Because in EVE, we ALL ARE TRULY EQUAL. And that's the beauty of it, so pure undiluted Chaos, and you can have fun at the expense of others, because that's the basis of it, and in the end, when you go to sleep, you can safely turn off the computer and rest knowing others cry, over lost pixels, over lost time, over lost money, and yet, they continue on and on, the incessant march of the droning toil of pain and deceit, to be consumed in the fires of nihilistic worship of the Primal Demons of yore. I feel like a Priest of Baal in here. How can you NOT like EVE? How can we deny the TRUTH? --- Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
Neci Maren	Posted - 2009.09.24 01:10:00 - [117] Edited by: Neci Maren on 24/09/2009 01:12:21 "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." - Edmund Burke or in EVE fashion... "When bad men combine, [the good grab a bag of popcorn]..."???
Ukucia Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.09.24 01:31:00 - [118] Originally by: Digital Communist Release branded merchandise of your holy crusade This belongs in the feature request forum.
Lotus Sutra Caldari Sutra Inc	Posted - 2009.09.24 02:53:00 - [119] Originally by: Thuranni Originally by: Ivalobon I had occasion with another much older char to threaten an eve player with actual real life threats. He lived in a small village about 30 mins away from me if I traveld using my bike. I know his first name and I knew his eve friend lived close to him and was the manager of the local village shop. So he would not be hard to find. This guy made my eve life absolute hell for some time, simply because his 0.0 paranoia got the better of him and he accused me of being a spy. But what I realised was this. I have a life and eve is just a game so I played him at his own game and made some problems for him. Yes I got angry yes i wanted to go to him and beat the life out of him, but eve is just a game and where as I didant enjoy the experiance at the time I now look back on it as a fond memory, because I had the last laugh in the end. very offten these guys can dish it out but they can't take it. You do realize that if you are petitioned for this post, you will be permanently banned from the game, right? You didn't understand his post. He said he had the opportunity to do so, and didn't. Instead he used game mechanics to give what he had gotten. ------------------------------------------------ No you can't have my stuff
Lotus Sutra Caldari Sutra Inc	Posted - 2009.09.24 03:07:00 - [120] Originally by: Schwarz Schutzstaffel Simple question, but the line must appear somewhere right? say if someone has been on your case for 6 months, and everytime you join a corp, they bribe or threaten your CEO, so they kick you.... on two characters that are not on same account... Harrassment? If you haven't changed your API keys, you might just want to do that for all your accounts. That way if he has somehow managed to acquire them, he can no longer track any new characters you may chose to make. From the sounds of it, he has your limited api and is using it to discover any new characters you make across your accounts. This also suggests that one of your ceo's was weaker than he should have been and gave them up, if you were in a corp that required them, or you were a bonehead and posted them somewhere that he could find them. Whatever the reason he has for hounding you. Change your API keys. You can do this here. Now after you have changed ALL your Limited API keys biomass or sell all your current characters and create new ones that he doesn't know about. Keep your mouth shut and your problem is solved. IF for some reason you were incredibly boneheaded and game out your FULL api key, Be smart and change it as well. If your unsure if you have or not, do it anyway just to be safe. ------------------------------------------------ No you can't have my stuff



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