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Schwarz Schutzstaffel	Posted - 2009.09.23 09:22:00 - [1] Simple question, but the line must appear somewhere right? say if someone has been on your case for 6 months, and everytime you join a corp, they bribe or threaten your CEO, so they kick you.... on two characters that are not on same account... Harrassment?
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.09.23 09:25:00 - [2] Pretty much sounds like it. Essentially harassment is defined as doing something to another player on a repeated basis, whereas a simple one off attack doesn't count. I would say you have grounds for petition but you will need to provide some sort of proof that this has been occurring, so have that ready if you can. ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.23 09:27:00 - [3] Just to nitpick: harassment is griefing by default. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Captian Conrad Minmatar Empyrean Warriors	Posted - 2009.09.23 09:29:00 - [4] Wow...talk about harrassment, hope it gets sorted , Chatlogs and screenshots to the ready :)
Lady Amira	Posted - 2009.09.23 09:30:00 - [5] Alternatively why not join a corp where they have a bit stronger CEO who can't be bribed or threatened? Dont get me wrong that person is out of order and should be petitioned if what you say is correct but also perhaps join a PvP corp who will stand up to them.
Louis deGuerre Gallente The Rise of The Dragon Knights Void Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.23 09:31:00 - [6] I'm curious what you did to **** that chap off so much. Perhaps you deserve a year's worth of persecution, who can say ? --- Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenÆt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.09.23 09:31:00 - [7] So how did you get this guy on your back? Did you steal his Charon ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Juwi Kotch	Posted - 2009.09.23 09:32:00 - [8] It does not matter what you or other players classify as harrassment, only CCP's official opinion matters. That said, the way to find out what CCP's idea of harrassment is: Petition the situation. Most likely you will get a canned response from a GM. Then escalate this to a senior GM. What he/she will say is what you will have to live with.
gfldex	Posted - 2009.09.23 09:32:00 - [9] If he got a reason to go after you and can shot evidence to a GM it might backfire. Abusal of the petition system is a banable offence.
Sani Oska	Posted - 2009.09.23 09:34:00 - [10] If they have legitimate reason to be getting back at you in this manner that's simply payback. For example, CEOs of corporations that have been robbed by corp thieves would send emails to whatever corp the thief joins afterward to warn them about this player. Is this harassment? I think not.

Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.09.23 09:35:00 - [11] Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 23/09/2009 09:36:29 What exactly did you do to him and why does he know the characters, if they aren't even on the same account? If this is somehow RL related petition for harasment. If it all stays within the normal gameplay, I wouldn't call it harasment in the bannable sense. He just hates your guts and is willing to use the means in his disposal to put pain on you. Something like this might happen to a corp thief for example. If he send threatening eve mails and keeps threatening you in local you might have a case for a harasment petition regardles.
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.09.23 09:37:00 - [12] Originally by: Juwi Kotch It does not matter what you or other players classify as harrassment, only CCP's official opinion matters. That said, the way to find out what CCP's idea of harrassment is: Petition the situation. Most likely you will get a canned response from a GM. Then escalate this to a senior GM. What he/she will say is what you will have to live with. I was going by what I've read of their definition, that was their definition paraphrased, and I've known other people petition against such harassment when it was persistent. ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.09.23 09:38:00 - [13] Originally by: Schwarz Schutzstaffel Simple question, but the line must appear somewhere right? say if someone has been on your case for 6 months, and everytime you join a corp, they bribe or threaten your CEO, so they kick you.... on two characters that are not on same account... Harrassment? Are you a corp thief? Did you scam someone? I doubt that this guy is randomly pursuing you like this for no reason. Tell the rest of the story.
Doddy The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.23 09:42:00 - [14] Yeah, its not harassment if its revenge for you doing something like corp theft tbh, then its just consequences. If they are just doing it cos they think its funny or cos they don't like u then its harassment.
Captian Conrad Minmatar Empyrean Warriors	Posted - 2009.09.23 09:51:00 - [15] Originally by: Doddy Yeah, its not harassment if its revenge for you doing something like corp theft tbh, then its just consequences. If they are just doing it cos they think its funny or cos they don't like u then its harassment. So if some1 steals from your corp, you must show professionalism in your revenge, no mercy, no emotion
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.09.23 09:54:00 - [16] If it's retaliation then, yeah, different story, if it's unprovoked, petition it. So, you need to decide which it is. ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Ethidium Bromide Amarr ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.23 10:07:00 - [17] all within the rules of eve as long as the CEOs are not threatened with out of game actions. on the other hand with a character name like yours you should not in the least complain about harrassment!
Some Advisor	Posted - 2009.09.23 10:07:00 - [18] Edited by: Some Advisor on 23/09/2009 10:13:12 i kinda get harrased by your name. since iam german, and that reminds me of the game wolfenstein, and the whole "schwarz schutzstaffel" sounds bah anyway. what they tell the ceo anyway, what did you do. i dont care what others say regarding my members of my corp, if i like someone and carefully pick him, he gets a chance (reading further in the thread, so far i didnt had the "corpthief issue"). So far iam quite happy with my ppl i got (german, croatians, english ppl and i had a russian guy, too) Originally by: Sani Oska For example, CEOs of corporations that have been robbed by corp thieves would send emails to whatever corp the thief joins afterward to warn them about this player. Is this harassment? I think not. for the corpthief it is ;)
Schwarz Schutzstaffel	Posted - 2009.09.23 10:07:00 - [19] Edited by: Schwarz Schutzstaffel on 23/09/2009 10:10:36 All I did was disagree with a fitting he recommended to a new player, in a channel thats there to help new players... I have tried petition but apparently as he is only using perfectly legal ingame mechanics, it does not warrent any action... But surely harrasment can be done within the game mechanics? Edit: this character is not the one recieving the harrasment / griefing... just a throw away alt to protect my Identity, and the name is in no way meant to be offensive, the name is a pure translation of Black Protective Squad, no relation to anything else
Asuka Smith Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.09.23 10:13:00 - [20] Harassment is specifically defined as being harassment for no other purpose than to harass. If you flipped his can or popped his ship EVER and that is his reason for messing with, then you brought it on yourself and it is not harassment.

Captian Conrad Minmatar Empyrean Warriors	Posted - 2009.09.23 10:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Schwarz Schutzstaffel Edited by: Schwarz Schutzstaffel on 23/09/2009 10:10:36 All I did was disagree with a fitting he recommended to a new player, in a channel thats there to help new players... I have tried petition but apparently as he is only using perfectly legal ingame mechanics, it does not warrent any action... But surely harrasment can be done within the game mechanics? The rookie channel, i dont know about ur name (CCP would of had words if was too bad) and sounds like quite some Profanity here that its "game mechanics", clearly harrisment
Ethidium Bromide Amarr ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.23 10:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Schwarz Schutzstaffel ....the name is in no way meant to be offensive, the name is a pure translation of Black Protective Squad, no relation to anything else schutzstaffel you have been petitioned, either for poor translation skills, extremely poor knowledge about 20th century history or plain stupidity!
Schwarz Schutzstaffel	Posted - 2009.09.23 10:17:00 - [23] was not the rookie channel, but eve university's public channel.... The point I hate of it all, is the fact that it has spread across two characters, hell I even sold the first character to try and lose some heat, but did not work... I understand about finding a CEO with some more balls, but seeing as all I have is my miner alt, my main aim is a industrial corp, and we all know how they feel about possible mercs being hired and threats etc
Some Advisor	Posted - 2009.09.23 10:20:00 - [24] i see. Odd Translation. Now i suddenly have to think of Perry Rhodan with "schwarzschield reaktor" no clue why O_o ...just because of a fitting suggestion? sounds kinda harsh. What did you suggest? the most expensive xlarge something to gang away? ;) happen to have the chatlogs? (i have chatlogging enabled and use EVELogConcatenator that someone had coded a quite while ago to merge all the thousands of logs by a daily based log, gets the logcount quite down a lot. Requires some .net 2 or so) maybe that will help, but i doubt it will contain lots of offensive/odd things?
Floydd Heywood	Posted - 2009.09.23 10:22:00 - [25] Edited by: Floydd Heywood on 23/09/2009 10:25:53 Originally by: Schwarz Schutzstaffel Simple question, but the line must appear somewhere right? say if someone has been on your case for 6 months, and everytime you join a corp, they bribe or threaten your CEO, so they kick you.... on two characters that are not on same account... Harrassment? Maybe he doesn't like your fascist name? edit: Oh well, typed this but had to wait, then went to lunch...
Schwarz Schutzstaffel	Posted - 2009.09.23 10:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Ethidium Bromide Originally by: Schwarz Schutzstaffel ....the name is in no way meant to be offensive, the name is a pure translation of Black Protective Squad, no relation to anything else schutzstaffel you have been petitioned, either for poor translation skills, extremely poor knowledge about 20th century history or plain stupidity! Quote from you very link .... Schutzstaffel (German for "Protective Echelon"), Protective as it protects the Identity of my main I have sent GM logs and even info regarding an evemail where he specificlly says he will grief me until I quit the game
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.09.23 10:24:00 - [27] You mentioned that it was in an Eve University channel, were you a member of EU when this happened? ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Schwarz Schutzstaffel	Posted - 2009.09.23 10:28:00 - [28] No I was not a member at the time, I was simply hanging out in the channel to help other players thats the real sad part if I hadnt of done that I would never have met the guy.. I believe the fitting was to do with a caracal he said to use heavy launchers I said assault launchers as new player just wanted to run level 2 missions, and would not be able to fit many heavy launchers with his skill set..
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.23 10:30:00 - [29] Originally by: Schwarz Schutzstaffel Quote from you very link .... Schutzstaffel (German for "Protective Echelon"), Yes… you didn't happen to read the rest of the link, did you? There's a difference between what something translates into and what it means… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Foodpimp	Posted - 2009.09.23 10:32:00 - [30] Originally by: Ethidium Bromide Originally by: Schwarz Schutzstaffel ....the name is in no way meant to be offensive, the name is a pure translation of Black Protective Squad, no relation to anything else schutzstaffel you have been petitioned, either for poor translation skills, extremely poor knowledge about 20th century history or plain stupidity! Ethidium....you are officially an idiot. I don't need to explain why you're an idiot, just take it on faith.

Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.09.23 10:35:00 - [31] And do you know if he was an EU member, or was he just like you, hanging out in the channel. Perhaps if he was something to do with EU you could try contacting someone in the corp as I'm sure they don't advocate this sort of behaviour. Only you know if that's how it went down. ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Glamaz Cruciatia	Posted - 2009.09.23 10:36:00 - [32] Edited by: Glamaz Cruciatia on 23/09/2009 10:37:48 There I have created a new alt and old one is lined up for deletion... so now can we get back to the matter at hand, rather than de-railing my thread? He is not a member of E-U, and as I am not a member, uni officials have said that it is a personal matter involving me and they guy, and as neither of us are in E-U it has nothing to do with them.. Also what doesnt help is that the said guy donates alot to the Uni, so there may be some bias
Ethidium Bromide Amarr ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.23 10:37:00 - [33] Originally by: Foodpimp wah wah i accept your classification and will meet you in our boat
Ethidium Bromide Amarr ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.23 10:44:00 - [34] Edited by: Ethidium Bromide on 23/09/2009 10:44:15 your problem is that the person griefing your characters is doing so perfectly along the rules from what i can tell. bribing, blackmailing and threatening a wardecc or whatever is all game mechanics. if there are some rl threats made ofc the whole story becomes harrassment and you can do something about it. on the other hand (yes i know it does not solve your problem) a corp that kicks you when they get bribed to do so is not a corp i would want to fly in...
Lotus Sutra Caldari Sutra Inc	Posted - 2009.09.23 10:54:00 - [35] Specifically targeting one player and their characters for an extended period of time from my understanding falls under the category of harassment. The individual has taken it upon themselves to follow and harass you for no other reason (you claim) than you disagreed with him over a loadout. That by itself if true, should make CCP raise their eyebrows and say something to the guy as he is obviously totally lost his fricking mind. ------------------------------------------------ No you can't have my stuff
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.09.23 10:59:00 - [36] And if he was a member of Eve Uni I really don't think they would be very happy with one of their members doing something like that, but that will involve chat logs, possibly witnesses, such as they guy asking about fitting his caracal, etc. Or just give NOIR a call ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Crimsoneer Gallente Knowledge Stick Station	Posted - 2009.09.23 11:08:00 - [37] I suspect there is far more to this story than meets the eye. --------------------------------------- Pods and Pills, a low sec blog
Joe Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.	Posted - 2009.09.23 11:18:00 - [38] Originally by: Crimsoneer I suspect there is far more to this story than meets the eye. nope, sounds pretty common. I know quite a few Mercenary Corp CEO's, and contracts resulting from chats are quite common; If someone doesnt like your opinion, makes you look silly, or critisizes the wrong way they can all end up in Merc Contracts. obviously the pilot inquestion doesnt want to splash some iskies for mercs, so hes doing the old 'game disruption' method manually, and diplomatically. pity you ****ed off a Pilot that is dedicated to his hobbys I think this will probably continue untill you quit.
Vanzatoarea	Posted - 2009.09.23 11:44:00 - [39] harassment? hahaha...no...this is pure winsauce , one of the best aspects of eve , if someone ****es you off , you can actually do something about it in fact , if anything at all , the op would be the harasser here if he`s using petitions against someone who is only using ingame methods . Play eve , dont play eve , but if he`s playing eve and you have to resort to petitions to counter hi , you`re the one harassing "no reason"...that`s ...well...an impractical argument at least...there`s allways a reason , even if you dont get it at first . There is no difference between "i didnt like your name" to "you suicided my boat" , both , and for that matter any ingame reason can be easely translated into "i wanna have fun!" . After all "i wanna have fun!" = "for the luls" , and "for the luls!" is all there is to this GAME called EvE . If you want to argue about RL harasment , well...maybe if he`d hack ur account or somehow forced you to log out or something , as far as RL is concerned , everything you or he does in eve is "for the luls!'
Kezzle	Posted - 2009.09.23 11:46:00 - [40] If CCP won't take action, then it's down to you to do so. First find a Corp that wants you as a member enough to stand up to a single individual. Or pay a merc corp to reciprocate the grief, and hire a mediator to sort out his problem with you.

Gsptlsnz	Posted - 2009.09.23 12:23:00 - [41] Edited by: Gsptlsnz on 23/09/2009 12:24:21 Originally by: Crimsoneer I suspect there is far more to this story than meets the eye. I agree. There's no way this guy got that name by chance. He's chosen to lie about the name. Imagine he slipped in something unforgivable in the EU chat channel. What's are the odds we'll ever see the full facts in this thread?
Haulerboi	Posted - 2009.09.23 12:32:00 - [42] I recall having the idea of doing this with a corp thieve long time ago, pretty much force him to biomass so I petition to get official GM opinion about it. They told me it was ok to proceed. Never went through with it thought, he didn't steal that much stuff after all... I think a couple other corpmates got some pirates to pod him a few times
Erick Odin Amarr UNIX ALLSTARS	Posted - 2009.09.23 12:53:00 - [43] how the heck does this spread across multiple characters and accounts?
Ticarus Hellbrandt	Posted - 2009.09.23 12:55:00 - [44] only when real life prejudice comes into play, anyting else goes.
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.09.23 12:58:00 - [45] If your an ex-corp thief or something like that and all they basically do is tell evert corp you join and kill you themselves then It wont be called harassment. If its your ex-brother in law IRL and he pays everyone you meet to be mean to you then ya its harassment. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Tierie Caldari The Happy Spacemen	Posted - 2009.09.23 12:59:00 - [46] didn't you make a thread on C&P apologising to this person?
Intigo Amarr Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.09.23 13:05:00 - [47] I hope this is Jonny. ___________________ HELLO! My name is Inigo Mont...oh f' it.
Hydra Ki Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.09.23 13:05:00 - [48] Originally by: Schwarz Schutzstaffel Simple question, but the line must appear somewhere right? say if someone has been on your case for 6 months, and everytime you join a corp, they bribe or threaten your CEO, so they kick you.... on two characters that are not on same account... Harrassment? i do not see that as harrassment. Working as intended.
Tierie Caldari The Happy Spacemen	Posted - 2009.09.23 13:19:00 - [49] Originally by: Intigo I hope this is Jonny. pretty sure it is.
Ivalobon	Posted - 2009.09.23 13:24:00 - [50] One of my fav game mechanics is to publicly announce there is a 20 mill bounty for every one of his corpses traded to me. Thats not even slightly considerd harassment. But it makes the other players life a living hell....muwhahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa.....cough Lets be honest it don't take much to **** off a bored long term player. CCP has the final say and well I don't think there are many lines to cross it depends on who you talk to at the time for if it gets thought of as harrasment. You can't say eve isant flexable now can you.

Glamaz Cruciatia	Posted - 2009.09.23 13:39:00 - [51] so you all approve the fact that this guy is able to a) follow me around from character to character harassing me B) Grief with the intention of causing me to quit the game c) Grief over an extended period of time, with no chance of person being able to fight back Believe me I have tried to fight back many times, just makes things worse!!!
Ivalobon	Posted - 2009.09.23 13:49:00 - [52] sounds like a CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF MOMENT to me. look eve is a harsh place played by cruel people if you keep crying about it, all you are doing is feeding the situation even more. Try relaxing and don't take things to serously, then get out more as it sounds to me as if you are very paranoied. EVE Online is just a game get over your self.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2009.09.23 13:53:00 - [53] Originally by: Glamaz Cruciatia so you all approve the fact that this guy is able to a) follow me around from character to character harassing me B) Grief with the intention of causing me to cry on the forums c) Grief over an extended period of time, with no chance of person being able to fight back Sounds fair to me. Maybe you deserve it, what exactly was the convo following your disagreement over a caracal fitting. I suspect you probably said a lot of things that got you in this trouble now.
Cassiopeia Draco	Posted - 2009.09.23 14:04:00 - [54] Edited by: Cassiopeia Draco on 23/09/2009 14:04:45 Sounds like you need to join a corp whose CEO has a backbone. Though it does seem harsh treatment for critizing a someone over a fitting, and more so over whether to fit HAM's or HM's to a Caracal. I suppose some people are vindictive enough to do this, god know why, unless they're a prebuescent Teenager or massively immature. In the meantime, I'd change all your API's, and start a new toon on one of the accounts, if the grief follows that new toon then its most likely someone you know in real life.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.09.23 14:14:00 - [55] Sounds like you may have gotten a sociopath after you.
Tierie Caldari The Happy Spacemen	Posted - 2009.09.23 14:16:00 - [56] http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1180776
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.23 14:17:00 - [57] When does trying to shut down somebody's industrial operations using violence, bribery, and threats of violence, become harassment? ------ back from 90day forum ban.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.23 14:18:00 - [58] For the record, to anyone claiming he might have deserved it: Originally by: Glamaz Cruciatia B) Grief with the intention of causing me to quit the game This particular behaviour is a big no-no… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Ivalobon	Posted - 2009.09.23 14:18:00 - [59] I had occasion with another much older char to threaten an eve player with actual real life threats. He lived in a small village about 30 mins away from me if I traveld using my bike. I know his first name and I knew his eve friend lived close to him and was the manager of the local village shop. So he would not be hard to find. This guy made my eve life absolute hell for some time, simply because his 0.0 paranoia got the better of him and he accused me of being a spy. But what I realised was this. I have a life and eve is just a game so I played him at his own game and made some problems for him. Yes I got angry yes i wanted to go to him and beat the life out of him, but eve is just a game and where as I didant enjoy the experiance at the time I now look back on it as a fond memory, because I had the last laugh in the end. very offten these guys can dish it out but they can't take it.
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.23 14:23:00 - [60] Originally by: Glamaz Cruciatia c) Grief over an extended period of time, with no chance of person being able to fight back You have the exact same tools to your disposal as he has, question is if you have the wit to use them to effect? Easy solution. Join a 0.0 corp with backbone. However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.

Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.09.23 14:37:00 - [61] Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor You have the exact same tools to your disposal as he has, question is if you have the wit to use them to effect? Uh, no. Just because someone wants your attention doesn't mean you have to spend months of your life playing their little game with them. If the guy isn't letting it go after this long, and is still obsessed, he's mentally ill.
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.09.23 15:01:00 - [62] Originally by: Ivalobon I had occasion with another much older char to threaten an eve player with actual real life threats. He lived in a small village about 30 mins away from me if I traveld using my bike. I know his first name and I knew his eve friend lived close to him and was the manager of the local village shop. So he would not be hard to find. This guy made my eve life absolute hell for some time, simply because his 0.0 paranoia got the better of him and he accused me of being a spy. But what I realised was this. I have a life and eve is just a game so I played him at his own game and made some problems for him. Yes I got angry yes i wanted to go to him and beat the life out of him, but eve is just a game and where as I didant enjoy the experiance at the time I now look back on it as a fond memory, because I had the last laugh in the end. very offten these guys can dish it out but they can't take it. This is perhaps the most unique, enlightening, disturbing and odd post ever to be placed in this forum. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Thuranni Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.09.23 15:04:00 - [63] Originally by: Ivalobon I had occasion with another much older char to threaten an eve player with actual real life threats. He lived in a small village about 30 mins away from me if I traveld using my bike. I know his first name and I knew his eve friend lived close to him and was the manager of the local village shop. So he would not be hard to find. This guy made my eve life absolute hell for some time, simply because his 0.0 paranoia got the better of him and he accused me of being a spy. But what I realised was this. I have a life and eve is just a game so I played him at his own game and made some problems for him. Yes I got angry yes i wanted to go to him and beat the life out of him, but eve is just a game and where as I didant enjoy the experiance at the time I now look back on it as a fond memory, because I had the last laugh in the end. very offten these guys can dish it out but they can't take it. You do realize that if you are petitioned for this post, you will be permanently banned from the game, right?
Traidor Disloyal Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.09.23 15:06:00 - [64] To the OP: If this guy who has a hardon for you threatens your CEOs with war decs then join my corp. My CEO likes free war decs. And if you have the skill of **ing people off and getting war decced we will welcome you with open arms. *********************************************** I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.09.23 15:12:00 - [65] Originally by: Ghoest This is perhaps the most unique, enlightening, disturbing and odd post ever to be placed in this forum. Get a load of this then. The reason i've said what i already have is because of my own experiences with a sociopath. Guy used to be a 'friend' but started acting really sinister towards me and stealing things, so i told him to get lost. Then he started telling people any number of lies and stories about me to manipulate them against me. Someone started stalking me and damaging my car along with other things on my property around the same time, which i now know was probably him. I wasn't even aware of what was going on behind my back for years. Just thought the strangers i met who acted strangely towards me were just jerks or something. Was only when the lies became more bold and extreme and the behavior of strangers became more agressive that i started to look into it, but by then it was 10 years too late to do much of anything, because people are stupid and lies told often enough tend to become truth... I wish i had a happy ending to tell you, but he's still doing it to this day. These people need to be locked up for life or executed, imo. There is no way to rehabilitate sociopaths.
DigitalCommunist November Corporation	Posted - 2009.09.23 15:21:00 - [66] Sorry, but this ain't harassment by a long shot. Even if you feel harassed and griefed, its completely within the game rules to hunt, murder and generally mess with anybody for as long as they desire, for any reason they desire. Even if you have to put up with it for years and eventually quit the game. Even if they figure out your alts and get other people involved in making your life miserable. Harassment as defined by CCP is 90% of the time referring to some form of verbal abuse which circumvents game protections like character blocking. In other words, the guy sends you profanity laced eve-mails via newb alts he keeps recycling, or drops cans with profanity where ever you go. Or they get people to convo bomb you. Stuff like that. In very rare cases, someone will figure out how to megagame for the sole purpose of preventing your ability to play under normal intended game mechanics. Which is not equivalent to preventing you from playing through constant killings and camping, since those are very much intended. Those cases are rare because it usually means some form of bug/exploit is being abused. So basically... Take it like a champ and hope he eventually gets tired of stroking your corpses, or fight back and hope he likes his limp-wristed boys more than burly men. Either way, your carebear tears are probably high octane fuel for this guy.
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.09.23 15:29:00 - [67] Remember Ginger Wizard ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.23 15:32:00 - [68] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Even if you feel harassed and griefed, its completely within the game rules to hunt, murder and generally mess with anybody for as long as they desire, for any reason they desire. Weeeeell… actually, no. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.23 15:39:00 - [69] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Sorry, but this ain't harassment by a long shot. Even if you feel harassed and griefed, its completely within the game rules to hunt, murder and generally mess with anybody for as long as they desire, for any reason they desire. Even if you have to put up with it for years and eventually quit the game. Even if they figure out your alts and get other people involved in making your life miserable. No. Originally by: DigitalCommunist And I would know, since I effectively pursued a vendetta for close to two years on one person, ending in all manner of grief and spectacle. I got petitioned plenty of times and it never stuck. The GMs weren't hired to hold your hands and tell you its gonna be all right. They were hired to ensure the barbed phallus being used to excavate your soul is of regulation length, density and inhumanity. Wow, talk about taking a game a bit too seriuously
DigitalCommunist November Corporation	Posted - 2009.09.23 15:47:00 - [70] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: DigitalCommunist Even if you feel harassed and griefed, its completely within the game rules to hunt, murder and generally mess with anybody for as long as they desire, for any reason they desire. Weeeeellà actually, no. Haha, no. Sir, I am a leading authority on acting like a complete bastard and getting away with it. Focus your attention to the article you linked to for a moment: Quote: devotes much of his time to making othersÆ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way Protects the general populace from a single metagaming menace causing massive disruptions for no purposeful reason. Does not cover suicide tactics or any massive disruptions in which the instigator makes profit. Its the difference between finding a way to get all Jita stationt traffic jammed and pirating said traffic. Quote: This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two players. Formal definition focuses on a single player's behaviour towards the playerbase in general. It has more to do with them being a bad customer for the company which is not worth keeping around. Quote: An example..."Can baiting" in starter systems. This is the ONLY applicable case of griefing which I have ever seen or heard of. The anti-griefing rule only came into play when somebody was being malicious towards CCP and used standard gameplay to drive new customers away. So once again, no, not by a long shot is any of this considered formal griefing.

Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts	Posted - 2009.09.23 15:49:00 - [71] Originally by: Glamaz Cruciatia so you all approve the fact that this guy is able to a) follow me around from character to character harassing me B) Grief with the intention of causing me to quit the game c) Grief over an extended period of time, with no chance of person being able to fight back Believe me I have tried to fight back many times, just makes things worse!!! Keep whining about it and you will likely get 3 or 4 more people on your back... -------------------------------------------- Quote: EVE-Online... Too rough for ya? Don't like it? GTFO...
Setar Zi'lok	Posted - 2009.09.23 15:52:00 - [72] Maybe you shouldn't have stolen from the original corp. That's what you get.
DigitalCommunist November Corporation	Posted - 2009.09.23 15:53:00 - [73] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 No. ITT: Wishful carebears who enjoy their delusions. The only safety you actually have is being too irrelevant to bother with. Provoke the wrong person and you too will realize there is no God or justice in this game, but the ones you make yourself. Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Wow, talk about taking a game a bit too seriuously Not really. I never broke any game rules, used profanity, or took my game vendetta out of character. So which part of shooting and stealing a persons pixels is taking things too seriously? I had loads of fun even if they didn't, and I think anybody whose ever participated in PVP is guilty of the same delicious crime.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.23 15:54:00 - [74] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Haha, no. Sir, I am a leading authority on acting like a complete bastard and getting away with it. Haha, no. You are not the leading authority — CCP are, and as they claim in said article: "At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account." So it can certainly be considered griefing. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.23 16:02:00 - [75] Originally by: DigitalCommunist ITT: Wishful carebears who enjoy their delusions. The only safety you actually have is being too irrelevant to bother with. Provoke the wrong person and you too will realize there is no God or justice in this game, but the ones you make yourself. ITT douches with dress shirts and ties and degrees on Dictionary speak as if they're stuck in the Victorian age. Quote: Not really. I never broke any game rules, used profanity, or took my game vendetta out of character. So which part of shooting and stealing a persons pixels is taking things too seriously? I had loads of fun even if they didn't, and I think anybody whose ever participated in PVP is guilty of the same delicious crime. From here: Originally by: CCP This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two players. Harrassing someone for two years isn't exactly a "standard conflict arising between two playes". As much as you'd like to think it, your common sense isn't all that common, no matter how sophisticated you think your vocabulary is or how cute that tie of yours is . Now kind sir, could please pass the Gray Poupon?
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.23 16:12:00 - [76] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Now kind sir, could please pass the Gray Poupon? Eurgch… why would you want that mass-market crap? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
DigitalCommunist November Corporation	Posted - 2009.09.23 16:12:00 - [77] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: DigitalCommunist Haha, no. Sir, I am a leading authority on acting like a complete bastard and getting away with it. Haha, no. You are not the leading authority ù CCP are, and as they claim in said article: "At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account." So it can certainly be considered griefing. Lern 2 English, space friend. CCP isn't a leading authority on acting like a complete bastard and getting away with it. CCP also states they can render the EULA null and void, and change any rule at any time, or make up their own on the spot. That doesn't mean they will. My self proclaimed grief-guruness was a claim that I know the interpretation and application of those rules better than you. Your definition of malicious and game experience are probably not the same. Killing and ruining other people's toys, corporations and ingame reputations is a part of the EVE game experience. Taking it to greater extremes does not change this fact if no out of game and out of character breach occurs. If it does, it can be considered malicious because its targetted at the person behind the character. There is no way for this to happen if the aggressor doesn't use real life information, assault or threat in his crusade - no matter how real and personal the violence against your character may feel. In such a case, the action of killing and stealing from a player is still not evidence of foul play. Simple example: I can make your life miserable without so much as a word why. You can petition me a hundred times and it will never amount to anything. Maybe if a GM is bored enough they might ask why, but I would be under no obligation to explain my rationale for vendetta. Even if they insisted, any simple ingame reason would be sufficient. And even if the GM personally felt it wasn't nice, it is not their job to mediate player disputes or universal fairness to their final resolution. I have yet to see anybody get banned or warned for killing another player too much, despite seeing many cases which you would probably consider mind-shatteringly worse than what is described here. The assertion that CCP would moderate for the sake of subjective matters like your feelings is laughable.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.23 16:13:00 - [78] Was just trying to be sophisticated like Digi
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2009.09.23 16:15:00 - [79] Originally by: DigitalCommunist edit: And I would know, since I effectively pursued a vendetta for close to two years on one person, ending in all manner of grief and spectacle. I got petitioned plenty of times and it never stuck. The GMs weren't hired to hold your hands and tell you its gonna be all right. They were hired to ensure the barbed phallus being used to excavate your soul is of regulation length, density and inhumanity. Official request for permission to use this in a possible future sig. Also, since you're old enough to know, your corp reminds me, frightfully of course, of October Snow, simply from there being a month in the name, and not just a month later, but the month of my real birthday (which does give your corp props in my book). And since you're at least thrice the PvPer that corp's CEO was (something divided by zero is roughly thrice, right?) you may want to move to a better-named corp. Note that I have not included the name of the offending corp's offending CEO's name, well, just because it should be blatantly obvious to vets, but also because either would be an insult to DC. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.23 16:19:00 - [80] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Lern 2 English, space friend. CCP isn't a leading authority on acting like a complete bastard and getting away with it. Dito. Note the play on repetition. Quote: CCP also states they can render the EULA null and void, and change any rule at any time, or make up their own on the spot. That doesn't mean they will. My self proclaimed grief-guruness was a claim that I know the interpretation and application of those rules better than you. And I'm saying that your personal experience from your own exploits count for nothing since it might just be that you have been a good boy, and the (supposed) opponent in this case might not. What I'm disputing is your categorical statement that such behaviour is allowed, when CCP themselves quite explicitly say that this is not the case, and that the context matters. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki

DigitalCommunist November Corporation	Posted - 2009.09.23 16:22:00 - [81] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Harrassing someone for two years isn't exactly a "standard conflict arising between two playes". As much as you'd like to think it, your common sense isn't all that common, no matter how sophisticated you think your vocabulary is... "Standard conflict arising between two players" doesn't put a timeline on events, with some sort of cap to how long they must last. Conflict does not need to have resolution, it merely describes the origin of that conflict as being within normal gameplay. Its the difference between hunting someone because of real life drama and hunting someone because you hate their guts ingame. And paying someone visits across two years out of seven isn't all that impressive. I'm pretty sure that person lost more money in a given month through their own stupidity. As for my prowess of vocabulary, normally I'd laugh at you but I wasn't even trying to confuse you with eloquence. That kind of makes it embarassing for both of us.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.23 16:30:00 - [82] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 23/09/2009 16:33:09 Originally by: DigitalCommunist "Standard conflict arising between two players" doesn't put a timeline on events, with some sort of cap to how long they must last. Conflict does not need to have resolution, it merely describes the origin of that conflict as being within normal gameplay. Its the difference between hunting someone because of real life drama and hunting someone because you hate their guts ingame. And paying someone visits across two years out of seven isn't all that impressive. I'm pretty sure that person lost more money in a given month through their own stupidity. As for my prowess of vocabulary, normally I'd laugh at you but I wasn't even trying to confuse you with eloquence. That kind of makes it embarassing for both of us. It's why you use your common sense. So coming in here with an anecdote on how you consistently pursued a player for two years without any repercussions doesn't automatically make it OK. By the way, as someone before mentioned (think it was Tippia), we'd need more to your "story" other than "I did it, therefore it's ok". Given that the line between harassment and conflict is pretty blurred in Eve CCP would follow the course of common sense in situations involving either of these in extremes.
Myra2007 Shafrak Industries	Posted - 2009.09.23 16:30:00 - [83] Originally by: DigitalCommunist CCP isn't a leading authority on acting like a complete bastard and getting away with it. Well, yes actually they are. -- Originally by: Professor Slocombe I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
Hanso Sparxx Order of Shadows	Posted - 2009.09.23 16:31:00 - [84] Edited by: Hanso Sparxx on 23/09/2009 16:31:57 "Don't mess with Jonny" should be in the new player tutorial. *edit - oh god, I misspelled his name, I hope he didn't see it... ------------------ Go Deep!
Neci Maren	Posted - 2009.09.23 16:39:00 - [85] http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp Those are the articles you need to read. The only one that nearly comes close to your case is: You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world. So if he is lagging you out be excessively posting in a channel or filling the area with cans then he is able to be petitioned. If he is just hunting you, making you get kicked from corporations (because of weak CEOs) then it's all fair game. In my opinion he seems to be pretty smart about it, and you need to use a bit more witt about avoiding him. Maybe you could give us his name? Read the rules, there is not much ambiguity there. As long as he isn't spamming at you and/or swearing at you or lagging you out, then he has not crossed that line. Seriously though, read the rules. Do not come to the forums and ask because most of these people do not know (although the phallus comment was pretty much correct).
DigitalCommunist November Corporation	Posted - 2009.09.23 16:40:00 - [86] Originally by: F'nog Official request for permission to use this in a possible future sig. EVE is too cool for permission, even ones bestowed upon by me. So, er, go for it? Originally by: F'nog ... Note that I have not included the name of the offending corp's offending CEO's name, well, just because it should be blatantly obvious to vets, but also because either would be an insult to DC. Damn right, there is nothing impressive about being the King of Low Expectations. You know me so well.. Originally by: Tippia What I'm disputing is your categorical statement that such behaviour is allowed, when CCP themselves quite explicitly say that this is not the case, and that the context matters. Of course context matters, which is what I'm trying to explain in the first place: A butthurt carebears' idea of which contexts are applicable is not the same as CCP's Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Given that the line between harassment and conflict is pretty blurred in Eve CCP would follow the course of common sense in situations involving either of these in extremes. And this is what I'm talking about. Its only blurred if you don't know what the aim of that policy is, or what definitions of harassment to use. Victims have a hard time separating ingame from OOC/OOG action and think this rule has anything to do with saving them from losing a lot of isk. Here's a shocking truth about EVE: You are not guaranteed to make money, or advance in the game. You are not entitled to skillpoints, shiny toys, good relationships and a wonderful e-reputation. You are only entitled to a newbie ship, basic clone and complimentary unit of tritanium. When some other player gets in your way, they aren't actually robbing you of something you were promised for your $15/month. CCP only promise access to the server, to play under the same set of rules and tools as everyone else. If you fail at it completely, you can't cry about it to GMs. The simple solution to someone killing you and making you miserable is to kill them more, kill them harder, and inflict ten times the suffering they wished upon you. Then when you've done all that, make a post about it and have a giant community-wide circlejoyfest at their expense. Release branded merchandise of your holy crusade, and generally profit from their miscalculation in every concievable way because someone who insists on being feared and hated is only beaten when you become far more terrifying at the same game.
Neci Maren	Posted - 2009.09.23 16:50:00 - [87] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Originally by: F'nog Here's a shocking truth about EVE: You are not guaranteed to make money, or advance in the game. You are not entitled to skillpoints, shiny toys, good relationships and a wonderful e-reputation. You are only entitled to a newbie ship, basic clone and complimentary unit of tritanium. When some other player gets in your way, they aren't actually robbing you of something you were promised for your $15/month. CCP only promise access to the server, to play under the same set of rules and tools as everyone else. If you fail at it completely, you can't cry about it to GMs. The simple solution to someone killing you and making you miserable is to kill them more, kill them harder, and inflict ten times the suffering they wished upon you. Then when you've done all that, make a post about it and have a giant community-wide circlejoyfest at their expense. Release branded merchandise of your holy crusade, and generally profit from their miscalculation in every concievable way because someone who insists on being feared and hated is only beaten when you become far more terrifying at the same game. This is the absolute truth. The OP has encountered something and his "Flight" response has been activated. If someone was to ever do this to me I would think immediately "They have no idea who they're messing with." Oh there would be much fun.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.09.23 17:10:00 - [88] Originally by: DigitalCommunist "Standard conflict arising between two players" doesn't put a timeline on events, with some sort of cap to how long they must last. Conflict does not need to have resolution, it merely describes the origin of that conflict as being within normal gameplay. If two people don't like eachother and still care enough to be fueding for years that's one thing, but when one side decides to abuse someone over some petty thing that happened, or a complete delusion, for years, and the other side just wants to be left alone, that's harassment. It's well within the game rules to mess with someone for a little while, but don't be naive enough to think a certain percentage of the playerbase isn't completely batshiat crazy, and will use the game to relentlessly abuse a person to feed a sadistic desire that goes far beyond simple competition or rivalry.
Neci Maren	Posted - 2009.09.23 17:23:00 - [89] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 23/09/2009 17:21:16 Originally by: DigitalCommunist "Standard conflict arising between two players" doesn't put a timeline on events, with some sort of cap to how long they must last. Conflict does not need to have resolution, it merely describes the origin of that conflict as being within normal gameplay. If two people don't like eachother and still care enough to be fueding for years that's one thing, but when one side decides to abuse someone over some petty thing that happened, or a complete delusion, for years, and the other side just wants to be left alone, that's harassment. It's well within the game rules to mess with someone for a little while, but don't be naive enough to think a certain percentage of the playerbase isn't completely batshiat crazy, and will use the game to relentlessly abuse a person to feed a sadistic desire that goes far beyond simple competition or rivalry. Originally by: Neci Maren If someone was to ever do this to me I would think immediately "They have no idea who they're messing with." Oh there would be much fun. You have no idea how dedicated a psychotic person can be. Unless you want to spend every waking minute plotting against them and obsessing over everything for years, they have the advantage. Try me.
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.09.23 17:25:00 - [90] If someone is going after you long term for a real life reason(racism, nationality, family relations etc) even if it is entirely confined to in game actions on their part, then CCP will get involved because they dont want an issue with the potential for RL legal ramifications. Wherever you went - Here you are.

Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.09.23 17:29:00 - [91] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 23/09/2009 17:30:20 Originally by: Neci Maren Try me. Ahh, the arrogance of youth. Why would you even want to waste your time? Don't you have better things to do?
RedSplat	Posted - 2009.09.23 17:32:00 - [92] If the individual has an in game reason for persisting then what he is doing isn't against he EULA. If you are are not suited to the full spectrum of social interaction experienced by normal people in the real world perhaps you shouldn't play computer games that allow players equal license. I'm sure there is no reason you cant raise what you see as internet spaceships bullying in court but expect to be laughed at. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Liquidium Point Blank. Petition This	Posted - 2009.09.23 17:39:00 - [93] First. I wanna know how he know your second account. Secondly. Maybe you should find a corp with a CEO with a backbone. I mean, how big of a deal could this guy possibly be... I know plenty of corps who would love a free war dec.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.09.23 17:53:00 - [94] Originally by: RedSplat If the individual has an in game reason for persisting then what he is doing isn't against he EULA. If you are are not suited to the full spectrum of social interaction experienced by normal people in the real world perhaps you shouldn't play computer games that allow players equal license. I'm sure there is no reason you cant raise what you see as internet spaceships bullying in court but expect to be laughed at. Has nothing to do with your precious internet spaceships. People like this have no place in society among normal people, whether you want to admit it or not, it's not in the "spectrum of social interaction experienced by normal people in the real world". There's a reason such behavior falls under the category of abnormal psychology, their brains aren't working properly.
Neci Maren	Posted - 2009.09.23 17:53:00 - [95] Edited by: Neci Maren on 23/09/2009 17:55:36 Originally by: Liquidium First. I wanna know how he know your second account. Secondly. Maybe you should find a corp with a CEO with a backbone. I mean, how big of a deal could this guy possibly be... I know plenty of corps who would love a free war dec. Probably because the guy joined that corp and gave the information to the CEO that he wanted his alt to join too, thus giving this other guy information from that CEO as to who his alt account was. To the Professor Tarantula, stop with the ad hominem. Some of us might actually find this kind of stuff "fun." :)
Jonny 101 Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2009.09.23 19:31:00 - [96] Edited by: Jonny 101 on 23/09/2009 19:33:38 So I log into irc at uni because the lecture is getting, quite frankly a little dull. And I get this link posted to me, you know, while I was living my "life" (despite popular rumour I do actually have one). Anyway, while this thread is a good laugh I thought i'd clear up a few things, and i'll start by telling you how this all began (really began). Originally by: Schwarz Schutzstaffel No I was not a member at the time, I was simply hanging out in the channel to help other players thats the real sad part if I hadnt of done that I would never have met the guy.. I believe the fitting was to do with a caracal he said to use heavy launchers I said assault launchers as new player just wanted to run level 2 missions, and would not be able to fit many heavy launchers with his skill set.. This, is a joke. First off, if anyone asks me what they should fit on a caracal I always tell them "you don't, you get a proper ship" anyone who knows me can tell you how I feel about caracals, second, I haven't the faintest clue what the real difference between a heavy assault missile or heavy missile is nor do I care, they're missiles and real men fire lasers. This all began in the eve uni public channel, where I do indeed hang out and help the future generations of eve (hey, even future pirates start off as newbies, I consider it my duty to make sure those future pirates aren't met by a bunch of bleeding heart carebears alone). A lot of people don't like me hanging there, i'm a pirate, scammer, griefer, thief...you name it, if it's bad i've done it (Digitalcommunist and co were kind of my rolemodels when I began eve in early 06). Because of this I accept a lot of ** i'd never take outside the channel, including having Damoxenos aka Inquisitor Cerberuso (the latter character now sold) talk smack to me for a period of about two weeks, I repeatedly warned him to cut it out or else (in those words) and he didn't. Well, here we are, I hate rude, i'm not trying to justify anything, this is what makes eve great. Some guy is rude, es you off? Crush him like a ing bug. As for me being a psychopath living to harm this guy yada yada yada, he spends far more time and energy on this than I do, he's been stalking me around public channels I hang in tossing passive aggressive comments about how he's petitioning me for this and that etc, talking to people trying to plot my doom, trying to hire mercenaries on me etc etc. All I do is is do a show info on him once a week or so, and if he's in a new corp I talk to his CEO, just informing him of the facts, and on a few occations where the CEO has replied with " you omg **ing pirate dirtbag" I convo one of my many friends in the merc community, and toss them some isk to grief them. All in all, I spend maybe one hour a week griefing damo, and it's an hour I find both relaxing and enjoyable. I do many things in eve, a little pvp, but mainly scamming and mercenary work, i'm not the normal type of mercenary though, I usually work for a few private wealthy industrialists taking care of people who either annoy them or get in their way. Put short, I make a lot of my isk in eve by being paid to do just what i'm doing to this guy as revenge, so it's not really a big leap for me. When you take into consideration my considerable wealth and my connections in the mercenary industry, griefing people who are rude to me isn't so much effort, as something you do for a laugh with a few friends on a slow wednesday night. I gave him a chance to make it all end mind you, I told him (a long time ago) that a public apology would be an end to it. He did make an apology post eventually which can be found: Here but as you can see, it didn't take him long to not only go back on it, but start the same smack that began this in the first place. PS. Listen to Digi, he truly is a EULA guru.
Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts	Posted - 2009.09.23 19:39:00 - [97] It appears that this thread is over -------------------------------------------- Quote: EVE-Online... Too rough for ya? Don't like it? GTFO...
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.09.23 19:41:00 - [98] Some ppl had an idea you were involved early on in this thread, I had no idea who they meant, then someone linked the 'apology' thread and it became somewhat clearer. When I thought this guy had a genuine claim of harassment I offered advice, but shortly after I started to think this guy probably brought on himself. He really shouldn't air his dirty laundry in the forums like this unless he's willing to offer all the story. ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2009.09.23 19:45:00 - [99] I'll tell u a lil story... Once there was this guy who entered our corp. Shortly after we noticed a decrease in stuff in our corp hangar, it was all basic crap which was donated by corpies, anyone could take from it cuz... like i said, it was ur basic crap, but someone took it all. It wasn't worth a lot, mebbe a few mills, hell, if anyone in corp wanted money that bad, they could have asked and gotten more without hesitation. There wasn't a lot of proof, but apparently enough to boot the new guy, he denied it offcourse and then... we got a wardec. Apparently he had a few powerfull friends or mebbe it was all a lie, but whatever, we were at war with him, he send me a mail telling me to not join in the war cuz we would lose and he 'liked' me so he wanted to warn me. I told him i would do no such thing, my corp was at war and i would fight, and i did. My honor would allow nothing else. So i fought him and i lost a ship or 2 and at some point the war ended...Thats that u would think, but no, apparently he felt the need to stalk me, and with stalk i mean that, he would follow me around, trying to contact me again and again, even though i told him to stop it. I even blocked him and told him kindely not to contact me ever again. he circumvented the blcok by tricking other people into contacting me. sometimes it would stop for a while but after a few weeks it would flare up again. He even made alts. It gotten to a point where it got a lil creepy so i petitioned him. He stopped trying to concact me after that and i think he got a ban cuz he dissapeared from eve altogether. So i'd say, petition it! Other people messing with your playing enjoyment is not fun and thats what they are doing. ________________________________________________
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.09.23 19:49:00 - [100] Originally by: Jonny 101 As for me being a psychopath living to harm this guy yada yada yada, he spends far more time and energy on this than I do, he's been stalking me around public channels I hang in tossing passive aggressive comments about how he's petitioning me for this and that etc, talking to people trying to plot my doom, trying to hire mercenaries on me etc etc. This is entirely possible too. It's a common tactic for true psychopaths to play the victim because they can't admit to themselves what they are. They present themselves as saints. You seem to be up front about your less than honorable behavior and tendencies, which is an asset for your case. But It's impossible to say for sure what's going on here without actually knowing either of you in real life. So maybe just agree to leave eachother alone and forget about the whole thing?

Jonny 101 Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2009.09.23 19:51:00 - [101] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Jonny 101 As for me being a psychopath living to harm this guy yada yada yada, he spends far more time and energy on this than I do, he's been stalking me around public channels I hang in tossing passive aggressive comments about how he's petitioning me for this and that etc, talking to people trying to plot my doom, trying to hire mercenaries on me etc etc. This is entirely possible too. It's a common tactic for true psychopaths to play the victim because they can't admit to themselves what they are. They present themselves as saints. You seem to be up front about your less than honorable behavior and tendencies, which is an asset for your case. But It's impossible to say for sure what's going on here without actually knowing either of you in real life. So maybe just agree to leave eachother alone and forget about the whole thing? How about you go back to hobby psychologists school and stop throwing terms that have a very real meaning to some people around at random people you don't approve of?
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:07:00 - [102] Originally by: Jonny 101 How about you go back to hobby psychologists school and stop throwing terms that have a very real meaning to some people around at random people you don't approve of? Now you're trying to start a fight with me? I only said i don't approve of sociopaths.
DigitalCommunist November Corporation	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:09:00 - [103] What's this? Oh. Another butthurt carebear too scared, lazy and inept to take matters into their own hands and seeks to hide behind EULA non-shocker. Why people insist on doubting my rightness in this day and age is beyond comprehension. ¼_¼
Jonny 101 Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:14:00 - [104] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Jonny 101 How about you go back to hobby psychologists school and stop throwing terms that have a very real meaning to some people around at random people you don't approve of? Now you're trying to start a fight with me? I only said i don't approve of sociopaths. And what do sociopaths have to do with this thread? Kind of painted yourself into a corner here.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:16:00 - [105] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Why people insist on doubting my rightness in this day and age is beyond comprehension. ¼_¼ I'll doubt it any time you make categorical statements that contradict written policy, but that part has been cleared up… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:20:00 - [106] Originally by: Jonny 101 Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Jonny 101 How about you go back to hobby psychologists school and stop throwing terms that have a very real meaning to some people around at random people you don't approve of? Now you're trying to start a fight with me? I only said i don't approve of sociopaths. And what do sociopaths have to do with this thread? Kind of painted yourself into a corner here. It's sociopathic behavior you two are accusing eachother of. Don't take your rage out on me. Learn to deal with it.
Jonny 101 Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:21:00 - [107] I'm accusing someone of lying, I neither know nor care anything about this person irl, i'm here to play a game.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:31:00 - [108] Originally by: Jonny 101 I'm accusing someone of lying Yes, but when you get into motives of people who lie more than usual and manipulate others you enter the realm of mental illnesses. Anyway, forget all about the sociopath thing. The thread is becoming too focused on that.
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:43:00 - [109] Originally by: Jonny 101 lots and lots of stuff For a pirate you sure spin a boring yarn. And you seem kind of boring yourself. Wherever you went - Here you are.
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2009.09.23 21:07:00 - [110] Hire mercs to grief him back. Problem solved. Or try to contract Goons to jihad him to oblivion, though that could backfire horribly. On another note, how do you like your pods in the morning?

FOl2TY8 Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.09.23 21:27:00 - [111] I was playing GTA4 last night and shot Kiki in the face. I loaded my saved game and did it again, this time I saved the game with Kiki dead. Screw that beeyatch. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
Shevar Minmatar Target Practice incorporated	Posted - 2009.09.23 22:07:00 - [112] Originally by: Glamaz Cruciatia so you all approve the fact that this guy is able to a) follow me around from character to character harassing me B) Grief with the intention of causing me to quit the game c) Grief over an extended period of time, with no chance of person being able to fight back Believe me I have tried to fight back many times, just makes things worse!!! A) From character to character? Is he a psychic so he knows every name you use when making an alt? B) This is pretty acceptable in eve, just look at corp thefts or high sec suicide squads. C) You mean you are to incapable to fight back? You haven't provided any reasons why you are being "stalked" (although having **** SS references in your alts last name really doesn't help you) and that there is nothing that you can do about it... Perhaps it's time you reinvent the way you play the game. If industry like corp is out of the question because they are pansies try finding another type of corp. If you really don't want to play in another way then perhaps eve isn't for you. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Zartanic	Posted - 2009.09.23 22:30:00 - [113] This is a load of rubbish. Some things claimed are not possible unless the 'victim' is not only enjoying it but giving information to the griefer to allow him to continue.
Lord Jita Lord Jita's Big Gay Corp	Posted - 2009.09.23 22:39:00 - [114] Some guy keeps relisting his module price so they are .01 isk below my price. I have to spend hours a day changing my price to even sell anything. I am going to petition him for harassing me.
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.09.23 22:40:00 - [115] Edited by: Serge Bastana on 23/09/2009 22:40:18 Or, as was previously suggested, the OP joined these corps with his alts as well and that allowed his opponent to learn their identity, but there seem to be a lot of inconsistencies with his story anyway, so it's very possible he tried smacking the guy in a chat channel using a few alts and was recognised. ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Brujo Loco Amarr Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2009.09.24 00:29:00 - [116] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Here's a shocking truth about EVE: You are not guaranteed to make money, or advance in the game. You are not entitled to skillpoints, shiny toys, good relationships and a wonderful e-reputation. You are only entitled to a newbie ship, basic clone and complimentary unit of tritanium. When some other player gets in your way, they aren't actually robbing you of something you were promised for your $15/month. CCP only promise access to the server, to play under the same set of rules and tools as everyone else. If you fail at it completely, you can't cry about it to GMs. The simple solution to someone killing you and making you miserable is to kill them more, kill them harder, and inflict ten times the suffering they wished upon you. Then when you've done all that, make a post about it and have a giant community-wide circlejoyfest at their expense. Release branded merchandise of your holy crusade, and generally profit from their miscalculation in every concievable way because someone who insists on being feared and hated is only beaten when you become far more terrifying at the same game. DC, I have known you, or more exactly, about you, since the ... err ... incidents regarding certain in-game events "terrorized" by ... you. So for the newcomers or latecomers that are not old enough, I can vouch for DC being , well, kinda evil. His list of "Atrocities" against the IN-GAME atmosphere border on the mind numbingly annoying, dastardly and sometimes hideous and extreme. Why I say this? Why I verify his Vilipendiated Resume? To focus on something pertaining to this thread. Despite DC and me being complete opposites on the philosophical enjoyment of EvE, since I'm a carebear through and through, this does not make me fail to realize that the quoted part above me, written by him is THE TRUE CORE AND SOUL OF EVE. DC has been known, the same as Lofty, Istvaan, Viceroy and other old timers I remember as people that play EVE in a way that be considered griefing, malicious or plain wicked. They just enjoy the game in a certain way, just the same as I do, the clash comes from the enormous truth in the small dissertion above this post. We all carve our own piece of EVE and do with it whatever we want, because we are entitled in here to what we can GET and then HOLD. No more no less, I try to be relatively carebearish cuz I enjoy cruising around space the few times I can actually log, but if I ever wanted to turn into a hideous spawn of utter terror, EVE, given time, resources and a good corp/corpmates, will be willing to give me the embrace into darkness. And that's the beauty of it. The fact I love this game (and forums) so much is the feeling of being in a cesspool of decadence where you can survive either by lying low, bribing, murdering, blackmailing or plain clawing with bare hands at the infinite pool of disdain that humanity is, as I gorge on the Preadamite demons of Lust, Avarice, Hubris and Envy. No better picture of who we really are than this so called "game". Nobler feelings are truly rare, and trust is simply a short term treaty of "dont kill me and I wont kill you ... yet". I eat with delight the evilness here, only to be bluntly honest, see others doing worse as me. And here I know I speak for Legion, for there are many like me here. Because in EVE, we ALL ARE TRULY EQUAL. And that's the beauty of it, so pure undiluted Chaos, and you can have fun at the expense of others, because that's the basis of it, and in the end, when you go to sleep, you can safely turn off the computer and rest knowing others cry, over lost pixels, over lost time, over lost money, and yet, they continue on and on, the incessant march of the droning toil of pain and deceit, to be consumed in the fires of nihilistic worship of the Primal Demons of yore. I feel like a Priest of Baal in here. How can you NOT like EVE? How can we deny the TRUTH? --- Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
Neci Maren	Posted - 2009.09.24 01:10:00 - [117] Edited by: Neci Maren on 24/09/2009 01:12:21 "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." - Edmund Burke or in EVE fashion... "When bad men combine, [the good grab a bag of popcorn]..."???
Ukucia Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.09.24 01:31:00 - [118] Originally by: Digital Communist Release branded merchandise of your holy crusade This belongs in the feature request forum.
Lotus Sutra Caldari Sutra Inc	Posted - 2009.09.24 02:53:00 - [119] Originally by: Thuranni Originally by: Ivalobon I had occasion with another much older char to threaten an eve player with actual real life threats. He lived in a small village about 30 mins away from me if I traveld using my bike. I know his first name and I knew his eve friend lived close to him and was the manager of the local village shop. So he would not be hard to find. This guy made my eve life absolute hell for some time, simply because his 0.0 paranoia got the better of him and he accused me of being a spy. But what I realised was this. I have a life and eve is just a game so I played him at his own game and made some problems for him. Yes I got angry yes i wanted to go to him and beat the life out of him, but eve is just a game and where as I didant enjoy the experiance at the time I now look back on it as a fond memory, because I had the last laugh in the end. very offten these guys can dish it out but they can't take it. You do realize that if you are petitioned for this post, you will be permanently banned from the game, right? You didn't understand his post. He said he had the opportunity to do so, and didn't. Instead he used game mechanics to give what he had gotten. ------------------------------------------------ No you can't have my stuff
Lotus Sutra Caldari Sutra Inc	Posted - 2009.09.24 03:07:00 - [120] Originally by: Schwarz Schutzstaffel Simple question, but the line must appear somewhere right? say if someone has been on your case for 6 months, and everytime you join a corp, they bribe or threaten your CEO, so they kick you.... on two characters that are not on same account... Harrassment? If you haven't changed your API keys, you might just want to do that for all your accounts. That way if he has somehow managed to acquire them, he can no longer track any new characters you may chose to make. From the sounds of it, he has your limited api and is using it to discover any new characters you make across your accounts. This also suggests that one of your ceo's was weaker than he should have been and gave them up, if you were in a corp that required them, or you were a bonehead and posted them somewhere that he could find them. Whatever the reason he has for hounding you. Change your API keys. You can do this here. Now after you have changed ALL your Limited API keys biomass or sell all your current characters and create new ones that he doesn't know about. Keep your mouth shut and your problem is solved. IF for some reason you were incredibly boneheaded and game out your FULL api key, Be smart and change it as well. If your unsure if you have or not, do it anyway just to be safe. ------------------------------------------------ No you can't have my stuff

Zedrik Cayne Gallente Standards and Practices	Posted - 2009.09.24 03:13:00 - [121] Hi there folks. Semi professional idiot abuser here. (Posting from my phone here. So I'll be brief) I've been accused of harassment. And been petitioned several times. Nothing stuck. The vast majority of the good stories are linked in my bio. It is incredibly difficult, using in game/forum methods to 'harrass' someone in game provided you are civil and polite and not too insulting. So, the 'line' as it stands, is way...WAY beyond anything described here. Things I have done (public humiliation) is closer to harrassment. And I've slid by. You sometimes get exactly what you deserve in this game. And it sounds like someone is. -- Originally by: "RedSplat" You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
Cherry Lipped'Alt	Posted - 2009.09.24 03:18:00 - [122] Originally by: Professor Tarantula when you get into motives of people who lie more than usual and manipulate others you enter the realm of mental illnesses. I can't believe you posted that when theres so many comments in this thread that outline Merc contracts, and "stalking/harrassent" are usually the result of insults, offhand comments, or critisizing a player
Dapto Minmatar Dissolution Of Eternity MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.09.24 04:39:00 - [123] Schwarz i've no idea what went down but i will twll you one thing if you rip me or my corp off id hunt you down (even suicide gank) you till your eyes bleed from all the destruction. As i see it what goes around comes around. If this is not the case join me corp as pay back can be a b i t ch. Dapto
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Novus Auctorita	Posted - 2009.09.24 05:50:00 - [124] Originally by: Jonny 101 Edited by: Jonny 101 on 23/09/2009 19:33:38 So I log into irc at uni because the lecture is getting, quite frankly a little dull. And I get this link posted to me, you know, while I was living my "life" (despite popular rumour I do actually have one). Anyway, while this thread is a good laugh I thought i'd clear up a few things, and i'll start by telling you how this all began (really began). Sounds like the lies of a sociopathic megalomaniac psychopath with an inferiority complex. ^_^
Doddy The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:06:00 - [125] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Jonny 101 Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Jonny 101 How about you go back to hobby psychologists school and stop throwing terms that have a very real meaning to some people around at random people you don't approve of? Now you're trying to start a fight with me? I only said i don't approve of sociopaths. And what do sociopaths have to do with this thread? Kind of painted yourself into a corner here. It's sociopathic behavior you two are accusing eachother of. Don't take your rage out on me. Learn to deal with it. No its not, its internet spaceships. Either you are RPing in the extreme or you have difficulty differentiating RL and Eve.
Glamaz Cruciatia	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:36:00 - [126] ah I see jonny decided to show his face.. The trouble with jonny is that no-one wants to call him out for what he is, or call him a liar, everyone seems to busy kissing his behind, which means no matter what I do I am screwed.. those of you who suggest fighting back, I have, I have hired mercs only for them to side with jonny and not do a thing but laugh at me... Fighting back is not an option, I only have an industrial character with limit combat skills, where as he is part of a merc corp within an alliance.. I has a couple of times aboused his position as diplomat within his corp to help with his blackmail.. What started as a minor disagreement on values, has snow balled way out of control, but alas I have a solution I am planning on leaving eve for the foreseeable future, all my assets are being liquidated and the character sold, all isk will be help on an alt, and the main character sold.. But I really hope what goes around comes around is true, there are quite a few victims of jonny building up now, only a matter of time before the tide turns For now I say Goodbye, and I hope to return soon
Ethidium Bromide Amarr ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:50:00 - [127] oh my! this has gone far and good in only 2 days! i only read the OP because of the original name (now GM changed) of the OP and look what i found under that rock! drama, drama and more drama! i don't care who's right or wrong here, i just enjoy the result
Snorre Sturlasson	Posted - 2009.09.24 11:16:00 - [128] Originally by: MinmatarCitizen19427890 Simple question, but the line must appear somewhere right? say if someone has been on your case for 6 months, and everytime you join a corp, they bribe or threaten your CEO, so they kick you.... on two characters that are not on same account... Harrassment? That's a part of the sandbox. Did you steal caps, that you are that much hatet? But the Goons take such characters like you.
Arana Tellen Gallente Clan Death Corps	Posted - 2009.09.24 11:36:00 - [129] Originally by: Glamaz Cruciatia ah I see jonny decided to show his face.. The trouble with jonny is that no-one wants to call him out for what he is, or call him a liar, everyone seems to busy kissing his behind, which means no matter what I do I am screwed.. those of you who suggest fighting back, I have, I have hired mercs only for them to side with jonny and not do a thing but laugh at me... Fighting back is not an option, I only have an industrial character with limit combat skills, where as he is part of a merc corp within an alliance.. I has a couple of times aboused his position as diplomat within his corp to help with his blackmail.. What started as a minor disagreement on values, has snow balled way out of control, but alas I have a solution I am planning on leaving eve for the foreseeable future, all my assets are being liquidated and the character sold, all isk will be help on an alt, and the main character sold.. But I really hope what goes around comes around is true, there are quite a few victims of jonny building up now, only a matter of time before the tide turns For now I say Goodbye, and I hope to return soon Join an NPC corp until you have combat skills? --------------------------------- Oh noes! Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.09.24 11:38:00 - [130] Originally by: Glamaz Cruciatia ah I see jonny decided to show his face.. The trouble with jonny is that no-one wants to call him out for what he is, or call him a liar, everyone seems to busy kissing his behind, which means no matter what I do I am screwed.. those of you who suggest fighting back, I have, I have hired mercs only for them to side with jonny and not do a thing but laugh at me... Fighting back is not an option, I only have an industrial character with limit combat skills, where as he is part of a merc corp within an alliance.. I has a couple of times aboused his position as diplomat within his corp to help with his blackmail.. What started as a minor disagreement on values, has snow balled way out of control, but alas I have a solution I am planning on leaving eve for the foreseeable future, all my assets are being liquidated and the character sold, all isk will be help on an alt, and the main character sold.. But I really hope what goes around comes around is true, there are quite a few victims of jonny building up now, only a matter of time before the tide turns For now I say Goodbye, and I hope to return soon I just wonder who would buy your character if they had any idea. Best not show them this thread, eh. Could be a nice little way of trying to get Jonny off your back 'gonna sell my char' so he thinks you've gone. Or could it be that your an alt yourself, now who's alt could you possibly be ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!

Rourkes Drift	Posted - 2009.09.24 12:00:00 - [131] Edited by: Rourkes Drift on 24/09/2009 12:00:07 Just so everyone is aware this is a link to the sale thread in Character Sales I wonder if anyone would buy him now
Glamaz Cruciatia	Posted - 2009.09.24 12:56:00 - [132] Thank you for being an absolute **ing **** that ign does it, I am biomassing the bastard, had enough of this ing , you can all go to **ing hell where you belong
Glamaz Cruciatia	Posted - 2009.09.24 13:04:00 - [133] people say eve is dying I would now agree.. no new player can hope to get anywhere.. when was the last time a major new alliance emerged? and stayed? No-one can get anywhere in this game because the people at the top have too much power and sway, and can crysh you needlessly at any point... I know that is meant to be part of the game, maybe thats why it is dying, because new players cant get anywhere, only the old firm stay at the top.. Stupid..
Rourkes Drift	Posted - 2009.09.24 13:04:00 - [134] Edited by: Rourkes Drift on 24/09/2009 13:05:22 Originally by: Glamaz Cruciatia Thank you for being an absolute **ing **** that ign does it, I am biomassing the bastard, had enough of this ing , you can all go to ing hell where you belong WOW** Now thats a reaction i didnt expect...... PS : WoW is that way
Ethidium Bromide Amarr ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.24 13:14:00 - [135] Originally by: Glamaz Cruciatia people say eve is dying I would now agree.. no new player can hope to get anywhere.. when was the last time a major new alliance emerged? and stayed? No-one can get anywhere in this game because the people at the top have too much power and sway, and can crysh you needlessly at any point... I know that is meant to be part of the game, maybe thats why it is dying, because new players cant get anywhere, only the old firm stay at the top.. Stupid.. eve is dying a litle less now
Jonny 101 Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2009.09.24 14:03:00 - [136] Originally by: Glamaz Cruciatia Thank you for being an absolute **ing **** that ign does it, I am biomassing the bastard, had enough of this ing , you can all go to ing hell where you belong And now you know what I experience. He basicly swaps from "i'm such a poor poor victim whos done nothing wrong" to "I'M GONNA ING RUIN YOU ***** I'LL DESTROY YOU!" like a damn yoyo. It's kinda funny.
MrBadidea The Children of Lilith	Posted - 2009.09.24 14:11:00 - [137] Originally by: Jonny 101 Originally by: Glamaz Cruciatia Thank you for being an absolute **ing **** that ign does it, I am biomassing the bastard, had enough of this ing , you can all go to ing hell where you belong And now you know what I experience. He basicly swaps from "i'm such a poor poor victim whos done nothing wrong" to "I'M GONNA ING RUIN YOU ***** I'LL DESTROY YOU!" like a damn yoyo. It's kinda funny. Shame he can't deliver like a certain somebody else, eh? ---
Jonny 101 Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2009.09.24 14:12:00 - [138] Indeed my good man, these tears are clearly second rate and the empty threats come nowhere near comparison.
Damoxenos	Posted - 2009.09.24 14:19:00 - [139] Blah blah blah, whatever, you guys will get the justice you deserve sooner or later.. Picking on people who cannot fight back, real smart, your a real hero... someone tell me why I even bother with eve anymore? oh yes because jonny will not win.... EVER.. He wants me to quit, but I will never do so, because sooner or later he will fall and I will be there to kick him while he is down
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.09.24 14:24:00 - [140] You know, some people would just go play the game and let it go, eventually who ever is bothering you gets bored and goes away. This is like flicking a lion in the love spuds with a wet towel while you have your head in his mouth. ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!

Damoxenos	Posted - 2009.09.24 14:28:00 - [141] Originally by: Serge Bastana You know, some people would just go play the game and let it go, eventually who ever is bothering you gets bored and goes away. This is like flicking a lion in the love spuds with a wet towel while you have your head in his mouth. You know I would very much love to play the game, but unfortunately I cannot, because any corp I join I get kicked out of pretty much straight away, because of that man, jonny 101, I have tried to lay low for awhile, I have tried to fight back by sending mercs and alsorts, but never has any effect...
MrBadidea The Children of Lilith	Posted - 2009.09.24 14:29:00 - [142] popcorn No no, continue, I find this highly entertaining. ---
Rourkes Drift	Posted - 2009.09.24 14:42:00 - [143] Originally by: Damoxenos Originally by: Serge Bastana You know, some people would just go play the game and let it go, eventually who ever is bothering you gets bored and goes away. This is like flicking a lion in the love spuds with a wet towel while you have your head in his mouth. You know I would very much love to play the game, but unfortunately I cannot, because any corp I join I get kicked out of pretty much straight away, because of that man, jonny 101, I have tried to lay low for awhile, I have tried to fight back by sending mercs and alsorts, but never has any effect... So why after you had apologised in C&P didnt you let it rest there, letting things die down, sit in an NPC corp then after 3-4 months try joining a new corp, rather than throwing a fit and stirring up the whole thing again?
Coch Draig Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.09.24 14:42:00 - [144] Wow this is a very vexed up and feudful thread. Serious question.... are you all like this in RL? or is it just your age showing? Originally by: Zymurgist Locked. Petitions are the only way to deal with this issue there is nothing the forums can help you with. Please stop opening multiple threads. Zymurgist
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.09.24 14:48:00 - [145] Passive aggressive attention seeking, nothing more ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Cadde Gallente FireworX	Posted - 2009.09.24 14:51:00 - [146] Escalating it constantly doesn't do you any good... Also the tears fuel the situation. My advise? Start fresh for a couple of months and then sell your old char. If that isn't an option then i am sad to say... You brought it on yourself. My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!
Kaijusan Gallente Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.09.24 15:01:00 - [147] Originally by: Jonny 101 Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Jonny 101 As for me being a psychopath living to harm this guy yada yada yada, he spends far more time and energy on this than I do, he's been stalking me around public channels I hang in tossing passive aggressive comments about how he's petitioning me for this and that etc, talking to people trying to plot my doom, trying to hire mercenaries on me etc etc. This is entirely possible too. It's a common tactic for true psychopaths to play the victim because they can't admit to themselves what they are. They present themselves as saints. You seem to be up front about your less than honorable behavior and tendencies, which is an asset for your case. But It's impossible to say for sure what's going on here without actually knowing either of you in real life. So maybe just agree to leave eachother alone and forget about the whole thing? How about you go back to hobby psychologists school and stop throwing terms that have a very real meaning to some people around at random people you don't approve of? Why dont you go on a diet?
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.09.24 15:10:00 - [148] At least 2 people in this thread dont see enough (o I o) 's. Wherever you went - Here you are.

CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.24 15:11:00 - [149] This thread has run its course and is degenerating into flaming and name calling. Any player who feels they are a victim of griefing as per the rules should submit a petition and it will be investigated. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online



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