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xxxak Caldari No Limit Productions Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:02:00 - [1] Edited by: xxxak on 23/09/2009 20:03:18 Best of all worlds, 1600mm plate + MARII? Highs: 2x Medium Neut IIs (Or Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator or 50MW) 1x Small Neut II Cov Ops Cloak Meds: 2x Balmer series tracking disruptor 1x Scram II 1x Medium Electrochemical Cap Booster 10mn Afterburner II Lows: Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano II Adaptive Nano Plating II 1600mm tungsten plate Medium armor repairer II Rigs: Egress port Ancillary Current router
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:03:00 - [2] drop the adaptive plating for a dcu II = general pilgrim fit
Vidi Angelus Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:08:00 - [3] Either fit an active tank, or a buffer tank. don't mix the two.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:11:00 - [4] Originally by: Vidi Angelus Either fit an active tank, or a buffer tank. don't mix the two. For soloing it's allowable because it saves you from having to dock after every fight. Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
xxxak Caldari No Limit Productions Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:20:00 - [5] Originally by: Vidi Angelus Either fit an active tank, or a buffer tank. don't mix the two. For 9/10 ships in EVE I agree. I believe the Pilgrim, with a cloak and the ability to TD turret ships is perhaps one of 2 or 3 exceptions to that otherwise excellent rule. Also, all you "lose" by fitting the MAR II is a TINY bit of cap stability (-1 rig, egress) and a TINY bit of resistance (-1 EANM) that is already stacking penalized. In exchange, you get a ~200 dps tank and ability to clean up after fights.
Vidi Angelus Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:23:00 - [6] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Originally by: Vidi Angelus Either fit an active tank, or a buffer tank. don't mix the two. For soloing it's allowable because it saves you from having to dock after every fight. The point is that a Dual tank is less efficient than a focused tank if your gonna fit an active tank, your better off fitting a resistance mod and giving your active tank a chance. you need your modules to work together. Rep+resistance mod > Rep + Extra buffer. otherwise go full buffer and deal with needing repairs.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Vidi Angelus Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Originally by: Vidi Angelus Either fit an active tank, or a buffer tank. don't mix the two. For soloing it's allowable because it saves you from having to dock after every fight. The point is that a Dual tank is less efficient than a focused tank if your gonna fit an active tank, your better off fitting a resistance mod and giving your active tank a chance. you need your modules to work together. Rep+resistance mod > Rep + Extra buffer. otherwise go full buffer and deal with needing repairs. You're missing the point. Obviously focusing on one would be more efficient. Nobody is going to dispute that. But he already has 2 resist mods, if you're planning on going solo for a long period of time the small gain from fitting a third is far outweighed by not having to try to dock in hostile stations. Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
xxxak Caldari No Limit Productions Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:37:00 - [8] Vidi check the ehp with and without the MAR. You don't lose much for the ability to rep. A pilgrim is the wrong ship if you need a massive buffer
Veliria	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Originally by: Vidi Angelus Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Originally by: Vidi Angelus Either fit an active tank, or a buffer tank. don't mix the two. For soloing it's allowable because it saves you from having to dock after every fight. The point is that a Dual tank is less efficient than a focused tank if your gonna fit an active tank, your better off fitting a resistance mod and giving your active tank a chance. you need your modules to work together. Rep+resistance mod > Rep + Extra buffer. otherwise go full buffer and deal with needing repairs. You're missing the point. Obviously focusing on one would be more efficient. Nobody is going to dispute that. But he already has 2 resist mods, if you're planning on going solo for a long period of time the small gain from fitting a third is far outweighed by not having to try to dock in hostile stations. And with 800 charges you can actually run the repper in a fight. Not much granted, but it can tank about 150 DPS, which is 150 DPS less you need to survive on top of the target being neuted, scrammed and tracking disrupted.
RC Denton	Posted - 2009.09.23 20:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Vidi Angelus Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Originally by: Vidi Angelus Either fit an active tank, or a buffer tank. don't mix the two. For soloing it's allowable because it saves you from having to dock after every fight. The point is that a Dual tank is less efficient than a focused tank if your gonna fit an active tank, your better off fitting a resistance mod and giving your active tank a chance. you need your modules to work together. Rep+resistance mod > Rep + Extra buffer. otherwise go full buffer and deal with needing repairs. It's also a timing issue. A single MAR II isn't going to give you a ton of DPS. If it takes you one minute to chew through your oponents tank, and your oponent is chewing through the DPS your MAR provides in less than a minute you're toast. If putting on the plate gives you enough buffer to survive that minute with the MAR turned on you've just changed a losing fight to a winning fight. Plus as mentioned above you have the ability to self repair while solo in hostile space.
xxxak Caldari No Limit Productions Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.09.23 21:05:00 - [11] Originally by: RC Denton Originally by: Vidi Angelus Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Originally by: Vidi Angelus Either fit an active tank, or a buffer tank. don't mix the two. For soloing it's allowable because it saves you from having to dock after every fight. The point is that a Dual tank is less efficient than a focused tank if your gonna fit an active tank, your better off fitting a resistance mod and giving your active tank a chance. you need your modules to work together. Rep+resistance mod > Rep + Extra buffer. otherwise go full buffer and deal with needing repairs. It's also a timing issue. A single MAR II isn't going to give you a ton of DPS. If it takes you one minute to chew through your oponents tank, and your oponent is chewing through the DPS your MAR provides in less than a minute you're toast. If putting on the plate gives you enough buffer to survive that minute with the MAR turned on you've just changed a losing fight to a winning fight. Plus as mentioned above you have the ability to self repair while solo in hostile space. You said that really really weirdly. What I think you meant to say is that a Pilgrim fight usually is 1v1 and fairly slow -- you are chewing on your opponent with drones. The MAR allows you to (yes slowly) rep up during the entire fight, where a buffer is gone once its gone. A buffer is better if you expect to be primary by 5 ships at once. But a Pilgrim is not meant to be used 5 v 1 or even 5 v 5. A pilgrim is meant to be used 1v1 or 1v2 or 2v2.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.09.23 21:55:00 - [12] It's solid to run a buffer + MAR on a pilgrim, simply because you're running a 'suppression' fit - you don't need to survive indefinitely, only until they're capped out, but at which point their DPS won't _stop_ it'll just ... slow down a lot. Which means being able to buffer until that happens, and active tank after has you on a winner.
Aralieus Amarr Traumark Logistics H Y E N A	Posted - 2009.09.23 23:13:00 - [13] Originally by: James Lyrus It's solid to run a buffer + MAR on a pilgrim, simply because you're running a 'suppression' fit - you don't need to survive indefinitely, only until they're capped out, but at which point their DPS won't _stop_ it'll just ... slow down a lot. Which means being able to buffer until that happens, and active tank after has you on a winner. Couldnt have said it better myself, Pilgrim is one of those ships that actually do benifit from a buffer/active tank set-up. Fortune Favors the Bold!!
Kingwood Amarr Hello Kitty Pyjama Piwates Global Disorder	Posted - 2009.09.24 00:24:00 - [14] Dual tank is best for Pilgrim. 1 rep allows you to tank his drones till you kill them off, buffer tanks gun damage until you're in your optimal range.
Erik Legant	Posted - 2009.09.24 09:09:00 - [15] xxxak : I think that if you remove the Medium Armor Repairer II to fit a Centii/Corpii C-Type Small Armor Repairer instead, you'll be able to drop the ACR rig and you won't lose a lot of HPs repaired per second. -- Erik
Veliria	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:10:00 - [16] No need for a Small Rep. [Pilgrim, Solo] Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Dark Blood Adaptive Nano Plating 10MN Afterburner II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Tracking Disruptor II, Tracking Speed Disruption Tracking Disruptor II, Tracking Speed Disruption Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Energy Neutralizer II Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 10k Armor, 40k EHP and about 125 DPS tank. Stagger your small neuts so one cycles when the other is at half. You can kill his cap every 3 seconds if you do it right.
fkingfurious	Posted - 2009.09.24 11:50:00 - [17] 2 Small and a Medium Neut is a total waste. The argument that using 2 smalls to make sure your opponents cap is drained every 3 seconds, thus negating natural recharge, is entirely valid. HOWEVER 2 Medium and a Small will perform the exact same function and drain a lot more cap to boot. By activating a Medium (12 sec cycle time) followed 3 secs later by the small ( 6 second cycle time) and then 3 seconds later the second medium you will see that a neutralizer is still cycling every 3 seconds. The only reason to fit 2 small and a medium is if you can't figure out a way of getting 2 medium and small on. Dropping down to 2 smalls simply in order to swap an ACR rig for something else isn't even close to a good enough reason.
Mystical Dawn Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.09.24 11:55:00 - [18] [Pilgrim, PVP] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Co-Processor II 10MN Afterburner II Large Peroxide I Capacitor Power Cell Warp Scrambler II DDO Photometry Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Covert Ops Cloaking Device II 50W Infectious Power System Malfunction 50W Infectious Power System Malfunction Small Energy Neutralizer II Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Recon IV and AWU IV Cap lasts over 4 minutes if small neut isn't active, little over 2 minutes if the small neut is on too. With Recon V it gets much easier to fit this nice ship. That's what I have been using for ages. It works nicely for solo hunting
DeFtron Gallente Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association Psychotic Tendencies.	Posted - 2009.09.24 12:12:00 - [19] Originally by: Mystical Dawn [Pilgrim, PVP] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Co-Processor II 10MN Afterburner II Large Peroxide I Capacitor Power Cell Warp Scrambler II DDO Photometry Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Covert Ops Cloaking Device II 50W Infectious Power System Malfunction 50W Infectious Power System Malfunction Small Energy Neutralizer II Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Recon IV and AWU IV Cap lasts over 4 minutes if small neut isn't active, little over 2 minutes if the small neut is on too. With Recon V it gets much easier to fit this nice ship. That's what I have been using for ages. It works nicely for solo hunting Im not sure why do u use egress rigs when in conjunction with large batt u can more efficiently use medium semiconductor memory cells or just plain CCCs. And why that Co-proc II?
Ancy Denaries Caldari The Confederate Navy Forever Unbound	Posted - 2009.09.24 12:21:00 - [20] Originally by: DeFtron Originally by: Mystical Dawn [Pilgrim, PVP] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Co-Processor II 10MN Afterburner II Large Peroxide I Capacitor Power Cell Warp Scrambler II DDO Photometry Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Covert Ops Cloaking Device II 50W Infectious Power System Malfunction 50W Infectious Power System Malfunction Small Energy Neutralizer II Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Recon IV and AWU IV Cap lasts over 4 minutes if small neut isn't active, little over 2 minutes if the small neut is on too. With Recon V it gets much easier to fit this nice ship. That's what I have been using for ages. It works nicely for solo hunting Im not sure why do u use egress rigs when in conjunction with large batt u can more efficiently use medium semiconductor memory cells or just plain CCCs. And why that Co-proc II? Because cloak uses 100 CPU when you don't have Recon V? ----- Why doesn't anyone ever read the forums before posting? EVE is a game of adaptation and planning. Adapt or die.
Thenoran Caldari Pelican.	Posted - 2009.09.24 18:40:00 - [21] Originally by: Mystical Dawn [Pilgrim, PVP] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Co-Processor II 10MN Afterburner II Large Peroxide I Capacitor Power Cell Warp Scrambler II DDO Photometry Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Covert Ops Cloaking Device II 50W Infectious Power System Malfunction 50W Infectious Power System Malfunction Small Energy Neutralizer II Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Recon IV and AWU IV Cap lasts over 4 minutes if small neut isn't active, little over 2 minutes if the small neut is on too. With Recon V it gets much easier to fit this nice ship. That's what I have been using for ages. It works nicely for solo hunting Don't fit CPU upgrades on a Pilgrim unless you want to fit an Expanded Probe Launcher and don't have Recon V yet. Swap out one EANM for an Adaptive Nano Plating and you can swap out the CPU upgrade for another ANP. No need for the CPU upgrade then and more HP. ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
Amarrbone	Posted - 2009.09.24 19:16:00 - [22] [Pilgrim, Solo Double Tracking] Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Tracking Disruptor II Tracking Disruptor II True Sansha Warp Scrambler 10MN Afterburner II Medium F-RX Prototype I Capacitor Boost, Cap Booster 400 Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Egress Port Maximizer I Egress Port Maximizer I Warrior II x6 Hammerhead II x6 Vespa EC-600 x6 Note that I have Recon 5, all drone skills to 5, all related Engineering skills to 5, etc. I use this setup and basically anything that has a turret. Depending on what I am fighting I around the TD's and Point to suite the situation. Of cours eI avoid missile ships. The three medium neuts make short work of the cap of smaller, faster ships. I prefer it over the 1600 plate setup.
Sajeera	Posted - 2009.09.24 19:18:00 - [23] Edited by: Sajeera on 24/09/2009 19:18:34 The fit is good, you can downgrade the armor to 800 and fit a second MARII and 2 EANMs. It will help with tanking the initial damage before you kill his drones and cap him out but thats just a matter of choice of course.
Mutnin Mutineers	Posted - 2009.09.24 19:24:00 - [24] Originally by: Vidi Angelus Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Originally by: Vidi Angelus Either fit an active tank, or a buffer tank. don't mix the two. For soloing it's allowable because it saves you from having to dock after every fight. The point is that a Dual tank is less efficient than a focused tank if your gonna fit an active tank, your better off fitting a resistance mod and giving your active tank a chance. you need your modules to work together. Rep+resistance mod > Rep + Extra buffer. otherwise go full buffer and deal with needing repairs. If you are sitting in a friendly system where docking is a option then yea you don't need a repper. However the entire point of a recon is to go make doodoo in people's yards, which makes docking a problem if you are in hostel space.

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