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Blade Murderhorn Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.09.24 09:47:00 - [1] Hi All I cant help but notice that small griefter corps and suicide gankings seem to be on the rise and more and more players I talk to are getting annoyed having their small noobie corps war decced by experienced players, now I know that this is part of the game but I really cannot see the fun or point in 2005/2006/2007 players just ganking noobies? is this just to fill out there kill boards? i mean it is not difficult for an old player to kill a new player even in the same ship.... is it just me noticing this on the rise? I for one will now be sticking in an NPC corp untill i can find a nice big corp that can give support when war decced. the corp I was in had 5 members and we where war decced by a corp with 11 members all experienced in PVP and FW.... so naturally my CEO shut it down as we had no chance to defend our selfs... so is it just me? Cheers Blade ------------------------------------------- "The Master at being Podded...." Maby one day Revenge!
YunFu Yan Yan Enterprises	Posted - 2009.09.24 09:54:00 - [2] Shutting down a corp because of a war dec is silly and you are almost guaranteed that the aggressing party will war dec the next corp you are founding too. If your corp really has no way to defend itself, there are still ways to handle a situation like this. a) Find someone to fight for you. Usualy this means to either pay mercenaries or join an alliance. b) Negotiate terms of surrender. c) Fight anyways and perhaps you might even find an interest in that side of Eve. If not, then at least you get to learn PvP basics. ------------------------------------------------- Yan Enterprises - We mean business.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.09.24 09:54:00 - [3] The only change I have noticed is in the amount of untanked haulers with juicy things in them, the pirates are in the same places doing the same things they have always done.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.24 09:54:00 - [4] I sure hope so. Highsec is far too safe atm. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.09.24 09:55:00 - [5] 1,000 gankers are much more notable than 10,000 missionrunners going there own way. Based on frequency of forum posts: suicide gankings are down compared to a year ago, noob corp deccing stayed about the same. So no, I don't think EVE is leaning more towards a pirate/ganking playstyle. As for being decced by "more experienced" players, they're not going to tell you they're pvp incompetents trying to get easy money. Don't believe their "Me big & strong" chest bashing until they've proven it in combat. You might even enjoy yourself in the process. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Blade Murderhorn Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:00:00 - [6] I was all up for a bit of a fight but I cannot afford to fight in BS/BC's ect ect so I get an alt to scout the station and what is outside camping.... a command ship 2 cruisers and a frigate... I mean come on! there is no way i was walking out of that! hiring a merc corp was out of the question as im just a casual player and dont have a bil to hire one. so shutting down the corp seemed to be the right thing to do, we onlyhad a corp so that we could all mission and mine together and have a shared office, but nevermind ay, I know that high sec is safer and not safe but i just dont see the point in experienced players deccing noobies i mean is it just because they cant fight people with similar skills (aka they suck at eve) Cheers Blade ------------------------------------------- "The Master at being Podded...." Maby one day Revenge!
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Blade Murderhorn I was all up for a bit of a fight but I cannot afford to fight in BS/BC's ect ect so I get an alt to scout the station and what is outside camping.... a command ship 2 cruisers and a frigate... I mean come on! there is no way i was walking out of that! hiring a merc corp was out of the question as im just a casual player and dont have a bil to hire one. so shutting down the corp seemed to be the right thing to do, we onlyhad a corp so that we could all mission and mine together and have a shared office, but nevermind ay, I know that high sec is safer and not safe but i just dont see the point in experienced players deccing noobies i mean is it just because they cant fight people with similar skills (aka they suck at eve) Cheers Blade Money tends to have a play in it. My alts corp got a war dec because of a high sec tower, seems they wanted the research mods and whatever was in the production hoppers. Unforunatly for them by the time the tower fell they had lost almost 3 billion in assets and all the good stuff had been taken down making the tower worth just over 200 mil
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:11:00 - [8] EvE was always a population of gankers and pirates. You know that term "survival of the fittest"? That means the ones that aren't fit dont survive. If some corp fails because it can't handle a short wardec then it wasn't fit to survive. Good corps -> pass the wardec test Bad corps -> fail the wardec test Hope this helps.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:12:00 - [9] Originally by: Blade Murderhorn I was all up for a bit of a fight but I cannot afford to fight in BS/BC's ect ect so I get an alt to scout the station and what is outside camping.... a command ship 2 cruisers and a frigate... I mean come on! there is no way i was walking out of that! Next encounter could have been you with the corp in 5 T1 frigs vs one T2 cruiser. A potential 100 to 200 million loss to them vs a couple million to your corp. Fighting in insured T1 frigs and cruisers is very cheap. You won't win 1 on 1 but if the odds are on your side they may feel T2 is enough of an equalizer to keep them from running. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Blade Murderhorn Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:14:00 - [10] I can understand that they where after a POS takedown plus asset bashing but i have no assets really, neither did the corp really, just casual players n all, it is strange that CCP are trying to force people out of noobie corps but at the same time experienced PVP are forcing new players to go back to NPC corps... Classic! ------------------------------------------- "The Master at being Podded...." Maby one day Revenge!

baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:18:00 - [11] Originally by: Blade Murderhorn I can understand that they where after a POS takedown plus asset bashing but i have no assets really, neither did the corp really, just casual players n all, it is strange that CCP are trying to force people out of noobie corps but at the same time experienced PVP are forcing new players to go back to NPC corps... Classic! You did something to attract them. Hauling lots of goods, mineing a lot, expensive mission running or even smacktalking in local. Having someone wardec you at random is a very rare thing and 9/10 times, it is done by people who have more ego than skill.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:22:00 - [12] Personally I get the feel that a larger part of EVE population have become more "carebearish" compared to EVE online in its younger days. So, no I dont think EVE have become more hardcore. If any: softer.. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Mangold Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:24:00 - [13] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Personally I get the feel that a larger part of EVE population have become more "carebearish" compared to EVE online in its younger days. So, no I dont think EVE have become more hardcore. If any: softer.. This man speaks the truth.
Blade Murderhorn Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:26:00 - [14] Maby so, im certainly not complaining about it as that is part of what makes eve fun, but then it still sucks to be picked on my people "twice your size" (not literally speaking) A friend of mines corp has just been decced and they have no idea why... but then the CEO is 6 days old.... So I guess the next bit on this is any big corps looking for a couple of new members based in amarr space near amarr?? :P Cheers Blade ------------------------------------------- "The Master at being Podded...." Maby one day Revenge!
Seth Quantix Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:32:00 - [15] TBH, wardecs can be fun for you aswel, The balance with eve is that new players en masse are very effective against more experienced targets, so next time, just buy up some cheap t1 frigs and cruisers, fit them with buffer tanks/tackle etc 5 t1 frigs/cruisers can make quite a good little grup, losses are minimal and you get to learn a bit ----------------------------------------------- The NC final solution: Quote: rawr-vuk-lau: can we set BoB blue so we can kill Tri together?
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Seth Quantix The balance with eve is that new players en masse are very effective against more experienced targets, so next time, just buy up some cheap t1 frigs and cruisers, fit them with buffer tanks/tackle etc 5 t1 frigs/cruisers can make quite a good little grup, losses are minimal and you get to learn a bit ^^ This. And if you really want to annoy (or, more likely, earn copious amounts of respect from) your enemy, ask the opponent for fitting advice before and after the fight. Ask them what you did wrong and right. Ask them how they tracked you down and how to avoid it. Ask them how to improve. Worst-case scenario: nothing happens, you still have to rely on yourself. Best-case scenario: you learn stuff, get to know some people, and maybe get some contacts that will prove handy in future conflicts. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Cpt Branko The Scope	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Malcanis EvE was always a population of gankers and pirates. You know that term "survival of the fittest"? That means the ones that aren't fit dont survive. If some corp fails because it can't handle a short wardec then it wasn't fit to survive. Good corps -> pass the wardec test Bad corps -> fail the wardec test Hope this helps. Preety much, this. The answer to "corporations get wardecced" is simply: join a corporation which is not fail! It doesn't take too long when you're being recruited to ask a few simple questions: (a) Do you get wardecs? (b) What do you do when you get wardecced? If the answer is something along the lines of "we're low SP, what can we do, waaah", well... you're talking to a failed corporation. If you're starting a corporation, then your goal is to build a corporation which can in this or that way deal with the sooner or later inevitable wardec. If you don't think you'll be able to do that, then you're not ready to start a corporation worth being in yet. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Statsministern	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:43:00 - [18] The only reason i am playing this pile of junk game, is because i don't have anything better to do. Yes, it's sad. The game is definately leaning towards a more imature population. No question about that. The older mature players are allmost gone, they are obviously smarter than us, and have moved on to something better. Game quality has gone way down the **ter. Nerf after nerf. Making the game blob orianted. Sandbox my ass. You sandbox is filled with cat CCP! Also, to all trolls and internet haters. Seriously, stop wasting your time. There is nothing you can say or do to change my mind about this, nor alter the simple fact that i speak the truth. Go ** your selfs!
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:51:00 - [19] Originally by: Statsministern The only reason i am playing this pile of junk game, is because i don't have anything better to do. Yes, it's sad. The game is definately leaning towards a more imature population. No question about that. The older mature players are allmost gone, they are obviously smarter than us, and have moved on to something better. Game quality has gone way down the **ter. Nerf after nerf. Making the game blob orianted. Sandbox my ass. You sandbox is filled with cat CCP! Also, to all trolls and internet haters. Seriously, stop wasting your time. There is nothing you can say or do to change my mind about this, nor alter the simple fact that i speak the truth. Go ** your selfs! So quit if you dont like it. If you happen to go to WoW then you will be rasing the IQ of both games.
Jastra Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:52:00 - [20] LOL, and thats all I have to say about that _ _ _

Blade Murderhorn Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:52:00 - [21] I have also come across a fair few with this idea as well..... which is a shame as it is only a game afterall, but then I know how annoying it can be to loose stuff that you have had to work hours and hours even days for, it does remove the fun a little. as for the T1 frig's yea i have a stock and am willing to fight, if there is a few in a fleet if it is just me and recruiting is failing then its never going to start. (oh and the other worry of a head full of +3 implants and no jump clone...) Cheers Blade ------------------------------------------- "The Master at being Podded...." Maby one day Revenge!
Julian Lynq	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:53:00 - [22] What has changed in Eve is that today all the 0.0 pvp¦ers set each other blue and don¦t shoot each other anymore. Instead they logon their pirate alt¦s and then complain to Ccp how they can¦t find targets in low sec waiting to be ganked in their Iteron Mark V¦s full of t2 blueprints and stuff.
Seth Quantix Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2009.09.24 11:00:00 - [23] Originally by: Blade Murderhorn I have also come across a fair few with this idea as well..... which is a shame as it is only a game afterall, but then I know how annoying it can be to loose stuff that you have had to work hours and hours even days for, it does remove the fun a little. as for the T1 frig's yea i have a stock and am willing to fight, if there is a few in a fleet if it is just me and recruiting is failing then its never going to start. (oh and the other worry of a head full of +3 implants and no jump clone...) Cheers Blade You can buy jump clone services VERY VERY cheap, look on the market forum, ----------------------------------------------- The NC final solution: Quote: rawr-vuk-lau: can we set BoB blue so we can kill Tri together?
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.09.24 11:00:00 - [24] Originally by: Blade Murderhorn I have also come across a fair few with this idea as well..... which is a shame as it is only a game afterall, but then I know how annoying it can be to loose stuff that you have had to work hours and hours even days for, it does remove the fun a little. as for the T1 frig's yea i have a stock and am willing to fight, if there is a few in a fleet if it is just me and recruiting is failing then its never going to start. (oh and the other worry of a head full of +3 implants and no jump clone...) Cheers Blade I wouldnt worry about implants in high sec, the chances of your pod being locked in time are slim to none
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.24 11:02:00 - [25] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Personally I get the feel that a larger part of EVE population have become more "carebearish" compared to EVE online in its younger days. So, no I dont think EVE have become more hardcore. If any: softer.. This
gfldex	Posted - 2009.09.24 11:06:00 - [26] In contrast of nearly all other online games you are alowed to fail in EVE.
Demeterus Caldari	Posted - 2009.09.24 11:14:00 - [27] This is not WoW, and i say that not to put you down, but to emphasize that there is no equivalent of low level players versus high level players as in that game. High level players are not immune from low level players here. With enough of them, even a few day old players can kill a player that's played for a long time and have lots of sp. All it takes is a will to fight. Forget about the WoW mentality that says that high level players are untouchable. They are not. And an angry swarm of badly fitted rifters can take out the player that comes to the fight in a command ship or the faction battleship. For one thing, the command ship and the - say - paladin will have a hard time hitting that badly fitted rifter. Drones can be dealt with. All you need is the will. --- Wtf happened to my sig now?
Blade Murderhorn Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.09.24 11:17:00 - [28] lol nice, as for the JC's i know they can be baught, I just havent got round to it yet... :P crazy thing is my 2 pvp Alts both have them but have never used them. Cheers Blade ------------------------------------------- "The Master at being Podded...." Maby one day Revenge!
bitters much Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.24 11:18:00 - [29] Originally by: gfldex In contrast of nearly all other online games you are alowed to fail in EVE. But thats the biggest problem new players face, they have not learned to handle fails in other games
zombiedeadhead Minmatar In Your Head	Posted - 2009.09.24 11:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Blade Murderhorn command ship 2 cruisers and a frigate.. Get yourself some PvP training/experience, or just get all your corp mates in T1 cruisers and frigs, because seriously, this gang is nothing to worry about, and once you have even a little knowledge you will realise that you can hurt them more than they can hurt you. You will probably enjoy it too.



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