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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:02:00 -
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As the Eve population grows, the number of pirates hasn't kept pace with the rest of the population. The percentage of pirates has remained consistently low while the overall number of pilots in Eve has grown quite a bit in the past year or so.
The number of complaints about 'griefing' and general crying about people losing their assets and belongings due directly to their own incompetence while refusing to accept the fact that the blame lies solely with themselves by providing the opportunity to be a target in the first place has reached an all time high. This can be directly attributed to the increase in carebears and crybabies which now permeate the forums.
Due to recent game design changes (I won't call them 'nerfs' in order to remain unbiased <lol>) piracy in general and high sec piracy/suicide killing in particular are at an all time low. Is this really where we want Eve to be going? I think it's where CCP wants to take it, but that's probably because it's the path of least resistance and the least amount of whineage from the largest population.
The recent NPC corp tax changes are a step away from this position, but once analysed it's easy to see how little an 11% tax really impacts anyone in an NPC corp. But again, it sets a good precedent and I'm looking forward to seeing CCP follow up with more aggressive changes to positively impact the reduction of the NPC corp populations and move them into the main Eve player base and reduce any sort of risk free playing environment. Risk is the core element of Eve and it should exist for every player in equal measure. NPC corps flaunt the fact that they are immune to war decs and hopefully the corp tax is the beginning of the end for those individuals who remain in NPC corps for the specific purpose of avoiding wars and PVP in general.
Just today I was convoed by someone whose ship and pod I destroyed and he proceeded to blame me for his loss. I reiterated that I was indeed very sorry he was too incompetent to operate his ship effectively and avoid being killed but he didn't seem too receptive to my concern for his well being and lack of intelligence.
Only *you* can prevent the destruction of your ship and assets. The next time your ship explodes, please think of the kittens. Only you can prevent carebear whining. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:08:00 -
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In my opinion sucide ganking is somehow broken .
* Insurance payout for concorded ships , makes no risks for suiciders. * Not being able to do preemtive(sp?) strike in hi sec , makes it actually more dengereous ten other parts of space.
Beside that i am all for harsh EVE world.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:09:00 -
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I, for one, Ride the MeatSausage EXPRESSÖ
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: baltec1 on 24/09/2009 22:10:14
Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 In my opinion sucide ganking is somehow broken .
* Insurance payout for concorded ships , makes no risks for suiciders. * Not being able to do preemtive(sp?) strike in hi sec , makes it actually more dengereous ten other parts of space.
Beside that i am all for harsh EVE world.
Just fit a good tank and watch the fury as they blow up and you start salvaging and looting
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus As the Eve population grows, the number of pirates hasn't kept pace with the rest of the population. The percentage of pirates has remained consistently low while the overall number of pilots in Eve has grown quite a bit in the past year or so.
I blame faction warfare.
Roaming 30 ship n00b blob of horribly fit cruisers > professional rancer smartbomb camp.
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Faife
Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:18:00 -
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this is so weird, we're only a few weeks from patch day and bellum hasn't posted his bi-annual emo tears post about how ccp hates him and it's all going so horribly wrong
i really hope he gets around to writing it soon, i can't wait to see if it'll be cause 0.0 is improving, or cause minmatar are getting buffed (nerfing his thron and cross trained geddon obviously), or some other lunacy.
i in particular want to see how he'll spin the NPC tax as being bad for the game, since i'm sure it will be.
really wish guys like that would finally uninstall and go play halo or something where they can argue about ladder standing rights all day and night -- Check out my EVE cartoons - most recent: #17 Goomba needs a new job |
Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:27:00 -
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I still believe that the one major issue with EVE is that it's profitable to kill yourself.
There is no incentive to survive, or punishment for killing yourself.
The whole jump-clone concept makes EvE broken. ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution. |
Xbox360clock
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:31:00 -
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Pirates/Griefers ftw =D and to all the carebears out there im gonna quote the TF2 heavy on this one "CRY SOMEMORE HAHAHAHAHA"
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr I still believe that the one major issue with EVE is that it's profitable to kill yourself.
There is no incentive to survive, or punishment for killing yourself.
The whole jump-clone concept makes EvE broken.
Remove all insurance and jumpclones?
Insurance wouldn't bother me in the least, but removing jumpclones would not be very fun for me personally lol. I like having a laser specific slave clone as well as a hybrid slave clone. And a Crystal clone, and a Snake clone, and and and... -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr I still believe that the one major issue with EVE is that it's profitable to kill yourself.
There is no incentive to survive, or punishment for killing yourself.
The whole jump-clone concept makes EvE broken.
Remove all insurance and jumpclones?
Insurance wouldn't bother me in the least, but removing jumpclones would not be very fun for me personally lol. I like having a laser specific slave clone as well as a hybrid slave clone. And a Crystal clone, and a Snake clone, and and and...
No, not remove clones, but somehow discourage suicide either by deducting skill points or credits. Keep in mind, the key word is SUICIDE. ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 In my opinion sucide ganking is somehow broken .
I agree; CONCORD providing near-instant omnipotent, inescapable security for free breaks the game in numerous ways. For instance I spend the great majority of my time in 0.0, most of it in combat or looking for combat. Sadly, there is no reason for anyone looking to mine, build ships (except capitals) or research to be in 0.0, since all those activities can be conducted more cheaply and effectively in hi-sec, due to the unmatchable subsidy of CONCORD protection. Much though I would prefer 0.0 to be a vibrant, diverse society, this huge imbalance makes that impossible.
It didn't always use to be this way; a great deal of industrial activity used to go on in 0.0. But repeated and unbalanced buffs to hi-sec mean that industrialists have acted in their own best interest and left 0.0 The introduction of Jump Freighters have exacerbated the situation even further.
As Bellum correctly notes, the first tiny step to correcting this hugely destructive imbalance has been taken. For the sake of the builders, inventors, researchers and miners who would like to experience life outside of hi-sec but cannot economically compete if they do so, I hope CCP takes further and larger steps towards this end.
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Iron Butterfly
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
* Insurance payout for concorded ships , makes no risks for suiciders.
High sec suicide ganks should be tantamount to drink/drug driving.
If you **** the police off an they blow you up, the insurance shouldn't pay out
" you got a warning, you still messed up, I think it's more your fault than an accident.
Insurance Invalid.
many thank's "
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Gaborelle
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:57:00 -
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if mining barges werent so frail and always die from just one or two volleys of an assault frig's t2 guns, industrialist would risk mining in 0.0.
It is also way too hard get any pvp guys to sit and watch your ass while ya mine.... mainly cos they get bored and go roaming and next thing ya know your scrammed by a hostile and dead after a volley or two.
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Myyona
Minmatar Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:59:00 -
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I harvest gas in Amamake these days. Thousands of units I might add.
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.09.24 23:24:00 -
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Most if not all moaners are new and leave anyway.
If CCP made low and nul sec more attractive then players will go there. Right now there is no reason to do that at all except for PVP. NPC corp tax will not make the slightest difference.
If you think players will sit back and let others gank them for no good reason and still play this game then your kidding yourselves.
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Max Torps
Gallente Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.09.24 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Gaborelle if mining barges werent so frail and always die from just one or two volleys of an assault frig's t2 guns, industrialist would risk mining in 0.0.
It is also way too hard get any pvp guys to sit and watch your ass while ya mine.... mainly cos they get bored and go roaming and next thing ya know your scrammed by a hostile and dead after a volley or two.
I'm not picking on you, I just want to expand on this.
This is the entire reason player corps are in the game. It's to provide protection and organisation for everything from local ratting, to mining to exploration, to wormhole gangs and beyond.
Solo mining in 0.0 is hard, some have done it and continue to thrive doing it in backwater systems. Many more will likely do it once Dominion is live. However Dominion will be the Goldrush age of Eve and if you do want to mine in 0.0 then, then you will need protection. Whether a formal corp membership or a localised alliance of pilots looking out for each other is your decision. Knowing Eve, it's looking like joining a Corp is th right thing to be doing. Also bear in mind, there are as many Corps as there are opinions. @MaxTorps
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.09.24 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 24/09/2009 23:43:44
Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 In my opinion sucide ganking is somehow broken .
* Insurance payout for concorded ships , makes no risks for suiciders. * Not being able to do preemtive(sp?) strike in hi sec , makes it actually more dengereous ten other parts of space.
Beside that i am all for harsh EVE world.
Umm that's not really true. My hauler alt has yet to ever been ganked because I fit a proper tank and have trained the proper skills on him. Two times I've had BC's try to gank him and both lost their ships while my hauler survived.
They have the risk of failure with 100% certainty that they WILL lose their ship. Meaning they lose isk and sec status assuming they arn't already -10.
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Bellum Eternus As the Eve population grows, the number of pirates hasn't kept pace with the rest of the population. The percentage of pirates has remained consistently low while the overall number of pilots in Eve has grown quite a bit in the past year or so.
I blame faction warfare.
Roaming 30 ship n00b blob of horribly fit cruisers > professional rancer smartbomb camp.
Yes I'd agree that FW has had more of an affect on pirates than anything else. FW gangs can quickly build 30 man blobs to gank any pirate gangs roaming around.
Only the very large pirate corps are able to deal with the FW blobs, most others avoid living in the FW systems or keep their sec status high enough to not be flashy.
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Klingz
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.24 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
The number of complaints about 'griefing' and general crying about people losing their assets and belongings due directly to their own incompetence while refusing to accept the fact that the blame lies solely with themselves by providing the opportunity to be a target in the first place has reached an all time high. This can be directly attributed to the increase in carebears and crybabies which now permeate the forums.
Rememeber... In all of nature there are allways more prey then predators. ------------ Dozar Klingz
I smoke.... It's not easy to be green when you're small. But it's worse to be a cowered when you're big. Smokers are also humens... but not that long... |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.24 23:54:00 -
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This thread will go places.
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IceBlade Rage
Immortalis Silens United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2009.09.25 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 In my opinion sucide ganking is somehow broken .
I agree; CONCORD providing near-instant omnipotent, inescapable security for free breaks the game in numerous ways. For instance I spend the great majority of my time in 0.0, most of it in combat or looking for combat. Sadly, there is no reason for anyone looking to mine, build ships (except capitals) or research to be in 0.0, since all those activities can be conducted more cheaply and effectively in hi-sec, due to the unmatchable subsidy of CONCORD protection. Much though I would prefer 0.0 to be a vibrant, diverse society, this huge imbalance makes that impossible.
It didn't always use to be this way; a great deal of industrial activity used to go on in 0.0. But repeated and unbalanced buffs to hi-sec mean that industrialists have acted in their own best interest and left 0.0 The introduction of Jump Freighters have exacerbated the situation even further.
As Bellum correctly notes, the first tiny step to correcting this hugely destructive imbalance has been taken. For the sake of the builders, inventors, researchers and miners who would like to experience life outside of hi-sec but cannot economically compete if they do so, I hope CCP takes further and larger steps towards this end.
Your not entirely right. There are a fair number of industrialists who would love to ply their trade out in 0.0. The problem comes from the current opinion of most 0.0 alliances in that if your not a hardcore pvper, you are no use to them and therefore not welcome to be in their space. I welcome the risk of mining, researching and building in 0.0. However, all the current space holders turn you down as soon as they find out you prefer to mine rather than pvp all day, even if you explain to them your more than willing to fly in defense gangs and alliance CTAs.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.09.25 00:22:00 -
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Several good points in this thread.
Insurance for suicide ganks is stupid.
Too many people are carebearing in highsec - but the important part is WHY. 1 - low sec isnt dangerous for industry - its suicidal.
2 The structure of industry in corps is such that its too risky for most corps to let most members use their facilities so everyone does industry with a high sec alt.
3 There arent near enough rats with in the semi-secure 0.0 to support individual players so they have mission runner alts.
4 Many 0.0 corps are run a rich elite who wants to PVP a lot so they purposefully make sure their space isnt all that secure. This means average members have to earn money in high sec.
The current system basically requires average players to earn money in high sec so that can afford to PVP in lowsec or 0.0. Whiners like the OP are a joke becausee they dont understand this.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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M Blanc
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Posted - 2009.09.25 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus the number of pirates hasn't kept pace with the rest of the population. The percentage of pirates has remained consistently low
ITT, we do not understand how percentages work.
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2009.09.25 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
OP copying style but arguing the opposite of the other thread for comedic effect.
I see what you did there.
But I've seen it done better. For lack of originality you get a 3/10.
But for successful troll, I'll bring it up to 7/10
Well done.
Mr Epeen
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RedSplat
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Posted - 2009.09.25 00:32:00 -
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Short answer is yes.
Long answers is yes, so long as CCP keeps marketing EVE to them
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
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Max Powwer
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Posted - 2009.09.25 00:37:00 -
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Bellum, I'm a relatively new character, so haven't seen many of the changes that have evolved the game in to what it is today. I can understand some of these changes are probably frustrating, but it seems you completely refuse to acknowledge the other side of the coin, only because those people don't have the same expectations as you.
It's not unreasonable for new players or even experienced industry based players to expect a safe region of space to play in. Even in a 1.0 system, you're only truly safe if you're in an NPC corp. Not everyone wants to fight, and that's just how it is. They shouldn't be drawn in against their will ALL the time
To just write people off as "incompetent" because they make themselves easy targets is very dismissive. Sometimes a small peace loving corp just needs to get noticed coming out of their NPC station by someone who loves to pound on noobs and they're dec'd. That doesn't really seem incompetent to me.
It all comes down to balance. If we want this game to grow and develop, it will need more players. People don't just come in to this game all hard core and ready to lose 100 million isk ships while they "learn the ropes".
Till then, I think the PVP'ers (I am one of them) will just have to work a little harder to find their targets, and the carebears will just have to find a better spot to hide.
Not a flame, just my opinion
Respectfully, Max
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wickedpheonix
Caldari Guy Fawkes Trust Fund 31ST Reliables Division
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Posted - 2009.09.25 00:44:00 -
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Basic capitalistic economic theory states that war drives away industry - peacetime keeps industry going which keeps profits going, which in turn continues to dissuade war as people seek more money rather than more guns. Kinda hypocritical for EVE but that's economic theory for ya. Of course, you're never going to see EVE go 100% industry (since the market depends on PVP - combat), but there's always a happy medium somewhere.
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Princess Misha
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.25 01:07:00 -
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When CCP introduced NPC tax, carebears behaved like crybabies, feeling compelled to join player corp.
When CCP nerfed web, pirates cried like crybabies thinking solo pvp is dead.
Dude I learned that we are all crybabies...
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Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2009.09.25 01:11:00 -
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Bellum: Supertroll or bored housewife? YOU DECIDE!
On trollic: pirates come in many guises, ill concede there are less. In traditional terms of '-10' being the definition of pirate then lets face it: who can be arsed being limited to where they can operate? Much better to war-dec the same people that would be strolling into your space a few years ago and pew them where they are, than stupidly limit yourself and your targets. + LDS @ Bclnc
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.25 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Misha
When CCP introduced NPC tax, carebears behaved like crybabies, feeling compelled to join player corp.
When CCP nerfed web, pirates cried like crybabies thinking solo pvp is dead.
Dude I learned that we are all crybabies...
BLASPHEMY!!!! Only carebears are crybabies! Pirates are too mature and superior so as to stoop so low. The only proof you need to this is that it has been written so in C&P by pirates themselves therefore it must be an undisputed fact. A leads to B, B leads to A. You just can't break that kind of logic. It wouldn't make sense.
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