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Trig Onami
Caldari Onami Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:09:00 -
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Before the guy who says "FIRST, CAN I HAZ YOUR STUFF" says anything.. I'd like to say that I am first, and no.
I'd rather let my measly 150 million worth of assets evaporate with my 20 Giant Secure Containers at Asteroid Belt IV-1, Wirdalen, Metropolis.
These 20 cans are there for me to occasionally mine 78000m3 of ore, without any fear that my cans will be stolen into by pirates who like to come over and target me and ask me to fight them all the time. Since the belt seldomly used, I decided this was a great place to anchor a grid of 20 cans (all 5km apart, 5 x 4 grid) close to the left most side of this belt. so that people who happen to mine at my belt could clean the RIGHT side of the belt if they wish.. and move on to the 6 other belts in the system, leaving me with at least what i need to produce my Small Tractor Beams.
Moving these cans is basically 2 hours of work. I only have a Retriever, and for me the safest way to mine in this system full of harrassing players is the absolute safest way possible. No one can access my stuff.
Today I finished mining 78k m3 of one type of ore I need to produce 22 Tractor Beams. Then I was going to proceed to mine the Omber for the Isogen needed to reduce production Cost by 3 million ISK on 22 units. Some guy in a Hulk with his Orca alt decided to rain on my parade by mining the Omber thats less than 15km away from my cans right after I told him I needed this omber.
There's clearly no argument here as to who is right and wrong. He can mine where ever he wants.. but I have a Retriever, he has a Hulk with more skills and can basically clean out all 8 Omber rocks near my cans in less than half hour. I would only have time to mine 2 in that time period, while the other side of the belt is left untouched, where I suggested he could go while I'm at my cans..
Basically, he is sticking to his "I'm just mining" story and doesn't care about the 12 million m3 of ore in the rest of the system.. Seems he just wants to take what is easily accessible to me. People in the system defend him. He's telling me I'm a noob for mining into Secure cans... from the moment he entered the system, his sights were on the 25 square Km of belt I could mine.
I get mad because this is the 4th time it's happened this week. So I cancelled my subs. Tired of it. Great game, CCP, I deserved to be shunned out, such as what you'll see below this post.
EVE. The most ambitious project on earth. |
Mai Shiranui
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:12:00 -
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Actually, Dude, that's part of the problem here on EVE.
Beware of Jiggling Objects. |
Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:12:00 -
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6/10 _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari Life is Experience New Eden Hardware Emporium
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:13:00 -
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Wait you mean you've stopped training for the Hulk?
Eve-online Industrial Organiser thread t1 & t2 batch manufacturing |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:20:00 -
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I'm going to assume you were vocal about it in local. Bad mistake in a game filled with people who get a rush from the simplest forms of arsehattery especially if they know they have a live one to play with.
Advice for others in the same situation. Don't smack in local and don't react to greifers. If someone is trying to mine 'your' patch of ore then let them as nothing you can do will stop them from doing it. Take the hit to your yield and go mine in another belt. Then if he comes into the new belt you are in and starts to mine the ore you are mining and there is plenty left elsewhere you can file a petition for harrasment and get him a warning. They tend to go away and leave you alone after that.
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
Zeba is the BEST! ~Mitnal |
Trig Onami
Caldari Onami Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sidrat Flush Wait you mean you've stopped training for the Hulk?
even with a hulk I wouldn't mine into a jet can. simple as that. I have my small grid. that's all I need. 3 Badger II loads. I'm happy with the income it brought me. I was just starting out.. and I don't have the money to pay for a Hulk either. So I'm trying new things here and there.. seeing what is best for me. Nothing I can do about those who grief. If only I could buy my own system. Sigh. anyway.. I'm gonna be back in like 6 months. Maybe they'll forget I ever existed. WTB name changes. o7 EVE. The most ambitious project on earth. |
Lotus Sutra
Caldari Sutra Inc
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:22:00 -
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Edited by: Lotus Sutra on 26/09/2009 04:25:19 So let me get this straight, you think because you gridded an asteroid belt with GSC's so you could mine in them safely (smart), that you own them then?
You then think that just because your mining a patch of belt that someone coming into the belt and mining must or should go to the other side of the belt just so YOU can mine 'your' little patch of asteroid belt without competition?
You did the right thing unsubscribing your accounts if something so minor hurts your feelings so much. I don't want your stuff, keep it for when you decide to resubscribe your account. You will want all that stuff. ------------------------------------------------
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Valeronx
Celestial Horizon Corp. United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: Trig Onami people who happen to mine at my belt could clean the RIGHT side of the belt if they wish
And right here is your problem Trig. It's NOT your belt.
Just because you decided to anchor some cans there in no way makes it 'yours'.
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Trig Onami
Caldari Onami Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lotus Sutra Edited by: Lotus Sutra on 26/09/2009 04:25:19 So let me get this straight, you think because you gridded an asteroid belt with GSC's so you could mine in them safely (smart), that you own them then?
You then think that just because your mining a patch of belt that someone coming into the belt and mining must or should go to the other side of the belt just so YOU can mine 'your' little patch of asteroid belt without competition?
You did the right thing unsubscribing your accounts if something so minor hurts your feelings so much. I don't want your stuff, keep it for when you decide to resubscribe your account. You will want all that stuff.
Consideration of others exists. How would you like it if I took a sip of your beer before you got to open it. When you already gave me the opportunity to have my own beer, just over there on the other side of the same table?
I didn't say the belt is mine.. But I did mention that the Omber was going to be in use.. the what.. 80,000 units near my cans that I could put into my cans without having to travel so much. it already takes me an hour to mine that. While the other side of the same exact belt had even more than 80,000 units of Omber to mine .. but the guy just parked his orca in my face and started cleaning me out.
I don't quit just because of him. I quit because I was trying to make some of the people who play the game happy with better prices than everyone else.. Having such a small scale operation would not affect other's game play whatsoever.. but all they do is **** on me like I have a sign saying "PLEASE DO TAKE EVERYTHING FROM UNDER MY NOSE" .. 4 times in a week. not just once. I dont' care if you want my stuff or not. Thanks for letting me know how deeply you feel about my post. EVE. The most ambitious project on earth. |
Lotus Sutra
Caldari Sutra Inc
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:41:00 -
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Edited by: Lotus Sutra on 26/09/2009 04:41:48
Originally by: Trig Onami
Originally by: Lotus Sutra Edited by: Lotus Sutra on 26/09/2009 04:25:19 So let me get this straight, you think because you gridded an asteroid belt with GSC's so you could mine in them safely (smart), that you own them then?
You then think that just because your mining a patch of belt that someone coming into the belt and mining must or should go to the other side of the belt just so YOU can mine 'your' little patch of asteroid belt without competition?
You did the right thing unsubscribing your accounts if something so minor hurts your feelings so much. I don't want your stuff, keep it for when you decide to resubscribe your account. You will want all that stuff.
Consideration of others exists. How would you like it if I took a sip of your beer before you got to open it. When you already gave me the opportunity to have my own beer, just over there on the other side of the same table?
I didn't say the belt is mine.. But I did mention that the Omber was going to be in use.. the what.. 80,000 units near my cans that I could put into my cans without having to travel so much. it already takes me an hour to mine that. While the other side of the same exact belt had even more than 80,000 units of Omber to mine .. but the guy just parked his orca in my face and started cleaning me out.
I don't quit just because of him. I quit because I was trying to make some of the people who play the game happy with better prices than everyone else.. Having such a small scale operation would not affect other's game play whatsoever.. but all they do is **** on me like I have a sign saying "PLEASE DO TAKE EVERYTHING FROM UNDER MY NOSE" .. 4 times in a week. not just once. I dont' care if you want my stuff or not. Thanks for letting me know how deeply you feel about my post.
You missed the pertinent part here. EVE is all about competition. If your undercutting my prices, do you think I'm going to stand still and see my bottom line drop because of you w/o responding in some fashion?
If you think that just because your operation is small that you should not be targeted for a response your dead wrong. Small operations can and often do grow into large operations.
If you need a reminder here, let me quote my own post
Originally by: Lotus Sutra
You did the right thing unsubscribing your accounts if something so minor hurts your feelings so much.
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Wendi Watson
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Trig Onami
Consideration of others exists. How would you like it if I took a sip of your beer before you got to open it. When you already gave me the opportunity to have my own beer, just over there on the other side of the same table?
I didn't say the belt is mine.. But I did mention that the Omber was going to be in use.. the what.. 80,000 units near my cans that I could put into my cans without having to travel so much. it already takes me an hour to mine that. While the other side of the same exact belt had even more than 80,000 units of Omber to mine .. but the guy just parked his orca in my face and started cleaning me out.
I don't quit just because of him. I quit because I was trying to make some of the people who play the game happy with better prices than everyone else.. Having such a small scale operation would not affect other's game play whatsoever.. but all they do is **** on me like I have a sign saying "PLEASE DO TAKE EVERYTHING FROM UNDER MY NOSE" .. 4 times in a week. not just once. I dont' care if you want my stuff or not. Thanks for letting me know how deeply you feel about my post.
The problem is that you started feeling entitled to the ore near your cans. It's never your stuff until it's safely in your ship's hold. Just like not counting your chickens before they hatch, don't be counting ore until it's in your hold.
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Serge Bastana
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:47:00 -
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I learned something about this game, even before I started playing, and that is that it's about conflict of one sort or another, some call it pvp, which can take many forms, be that competing in the market for the best profits to taking on opponents face to face and trying to blow them up before they do the same to you.
As a consequence of this, if you wish to stake your claim on a particular resource, such as those asteroids you mine, someone may well contest that claim. This means that to maintain your hold on said resource involves being able to defend it and keep it out of the hands of competitors.
You may feel that this is unfair, which is understandable if you aren't able to accept that one tenet of this game. Some may be considerate enough to let you mine that patch of asteroids, but you need to realise that there are others who see any resource they can take as being fair game, and that is just part of playing the game.
There are many people all over New Eden battling in one way or another over the resources available to them, if they all decided to leave the game because others wouldn't let them have what they wanted, EvE would become a very quiet game in a short space of time. ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag.
Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited! |
Intense Thinker
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:49:00 -
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This almost makes me want to train up for a hulk, I won't of course but almost And now I need to take a 5 minute nap before I have the energy to post again. |
Trig Onami
Caldari Onami Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: Serge Bastana I learned something about this game, even before I started playing, and that is that it's about conflict of one sort or another, some call it pvp, which can take many forms, be that competing in the market for the best profits to taking on opponents face to face and trying to blow them up before they do the same to you.
As a consequence of this, if you wish to stake your claim on a particular resource, such as those asteroids you mine, someone may well contest that claim. This means that to maintain your hold on said resource involves being able to defend it and keep it out of the hands of competitors.
You may feel that this is unfair, which is understandable if you aren't able to accept that one tenet of this game. Some may be considerate enough to let you mine that patch of asteroids, but you need to realise that there are others who see any resource they can take as being fair game, and that is just part of playing the game.
There are many people all over New Eden battling in one way or another over the resources available to them, if they all decided to leave the game because others wouldn't let them have what they wanted, EvE would become a very quiet game in a short space of time.
That Sutra chick is annoying at best, so I'm going to ignore "it".
Serge, I understand what you are saying here, but I don't want my business to become big. I just want enough to fend for myself. And I feel the 18 million ISK a week I would get from 22 Tractor Beams is perfect for my needs. If I wanted to really be nasty.. I would go out there and put my lasers up on rocks that already have lasers on them. But I don't, because I truly think that with so many asteroid belts out there, there's absolutely no need to rain on people's parades..
The big guy messes the little guy's chance at having fun, the little guy doesn't reach the level of skill the big guy eventually will need him to be to have more fun in the future. So why mess up the system. Not like I was selling the Tractor Beams for the 300k it takes to make them.. I was only down 25 - 50 k from the Regional Hub. and 22 a week doesn't totally take the spot light away from the available 450+ on the market at all times.
Thanks for the lovely insight. I did learn something with your post, unlike Sutra's. They're bent on the fact that I said "my belt" when I had clearly meant "The belt I mine at" but whatever floats their boat.. They love trolling.
EVE. The most ambitious project on earth. |
Karma Monster
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:58:00 -
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Never let people know what you care about, because they'll immediately try to **** with it.
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Xiozor
Anonymous Alcoholics Wrath.
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:06:00 -
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Cool bro, story. ----------------------------------------------- Mr.Kippling just launched a nuclear holocaust at third world countries! ... But he does make exceedingly good cakes. |
Intense Thinker
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Karma Monster Never let people know what you care about, because they'll immediately try to **** with it.
I know I will And now I need to take a 5 minute nap before I have the energy to post again. |
Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:08:00 -
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Also OP, you Misspelled Inconsiderate. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Trig Onami
Caldari Onami Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero Also OP, you Misspelled Inconsiderate.
OMFG call the police! EVE. The most ambitious project on earth. |
Intense Thinker
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Trig Onami
Originally by: Blane Xero Also OP, you Misspelled Inconsiderate.
OMFG call the police!
Done, they said that your wanton cruelty to the English language is unacceptable and they're on their way to molest you with a wiimote And now I need to take a 5 minute nap before I have the energy to post again. |
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Lotus Sutra
Caldari Sutra Inc
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:20:00 -
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Edited by: Lotus Sutra on 26/09/2009 05:22:55
Originally by: Trig Onami
Originally by: Serge Bastana I learned something about this game, even before I started playing, and that is that it's about conflict of one sort or another, some call it pvp, which can take many forms, be that competing in the market for the best profits to taking on opponents face to face and trying to blow them up before they do the same to you.
As a consequence of this, if you wish to stake your claim on a particular resource, such as those asteroids you mine, someone may well contest that claim. This means that to maintain your hold on said resource involves being able to defend it and keep it out of the hands of competitors.
You may feel that this is unfair, which is understandable if you aren't able to accept that one tenet of this game. Some may be considerate enough to let you mine that patch of asteroids, but you need to realise that there are others who see any resource they can take as being fair game, and that is just part of playing the game.
There are many people all over New Eden battling in one way or another over the resources available to them, if they all decided to leave the game because others wouldn't let them have what they wanted, EvE would become a very quiet game in a short space of time.
That Sutra chick is annoying at best, so I'm going to ignore "it".
Serge, I understand what you are saying here, but I don't want my business to become big. I just want enough to fend for myself. And I feel the 18 million ISK a week I would get from 22 Tractor Beams is perfect for my needs. If I wanted to really be nasty.. I would go out there and put my lasers up on rocks that already have lasers on them. But I don't, because I truly think that with so many asteroid belts out there, there's absolutely no need to rain on people's parades..
The big guy messes the little guy's chance at having fun, the little guy doesn't reach the level of skill the big guy eventually will need him to be to have more fun in the future. So why mess up the system. Not like I was selling the Tractor Beams for the 300k it takes to make them.. I was only down 25 - 50 k from the Regional Hub. and 22 a week doesn't totally take the spot light away from the available 450+ on the market at all times.
Thanks for the lovely insight. I did learn something with your post, unlike Sutra's. They're bent on the fact that I said "my belt" when I had clearly meant "The belt I mine at" but whatever floats their boat.. They love trolling.
Ignore what you can't argue against. Yes I understand this. Try to change what I said into something else. Yes I understand this. It does not change anything I said. EVE is about competition. Your obviously unsuited to play in eve if your going to get so upset and angry over having resources you want to use, mined out by someone else.
Trying to ignore what I said by calling me annoying doesn't change the truth of what I said. Your unsuited to eve. Your unable to handle something so small as another ship mining the asteroids your mining. Your angry and upset because there is no consideration for your feelings in eve. Your angry and upset because there is no consideration for your 'rights' in eve.
Your angry and upset at me because I didn't kiss your little boo boo and say it will be all right. Instead I told you the truth. Your not suited emotionally to play eve. Leave it. Don't come back. it won't be any different in 6 months than it is now, except there will be MORE people competing for resources than there are now and you will have more people mining 'your' little slice of the world.
Go cry to your mommy that someone in your internet spaceship game was mean to you and 'mommy make them stop' then GTFO of eve and go back to wow you whiny little crybaby. ------------------------------------------------
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Intense Thinker
Originally by: Trig Onami
Originally by: Blane Xero Also OP, you Misspelled Inconsiderate.
OMFG call the police!
Done, they said that your wanton cruelty to the English language is unacceptable and they're on their way to molest you with a wiimote
A shame it had to come to that as a copy of this could have prevented the entire horrid affair from ever starting in the first place.
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
Zeba is the BEST! ~Mitnal |
Valeronx
Celestial Horizon Corp. United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:31:00 -
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Edited by: Valeronx on 26/09/2009 05:31:14 Don't worry too much over Trig and his responses Sutra. He's started a fairly good Troll thread knowing exactly the responses he'd get. Read the last lines of his original post carefully.
And there is this gem from a post of his in another thread:
"When I get tired of hearing myself, I just bring out the "omfg troll" personality, and voila, the discussion ends, before having time to mature into what could have been something great."
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:31:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 26/09/2009 05:31:58
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Intense Thinker
Originally by: Trig Onami
Originally by: Blane Xero Also OP, you Misspelled Inconsiderate.
OMFG call the police!
Done, they said that your wanton cruelty to the English language is unacceptable and they're on their way to molest you with a wiimote
A shame it had to come to that as a copy of this could have prevented the entire horrid affair from ever starting in the first place.
Shame, since the eve forums strikes your Grammar Link wrecking for incomprehensible damage.
Although hilariously, firefox's wildcard function still finds the correct link. Amazing. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Lotus Sutra
Caldari Sutra Inc
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Valeronx Edited by: Valeronx on 26/09/2009 05:31:14 Don't worry too much over Trig and his responses Sutra. He's started a fairly good Troll thread knowing exactly the responses he'd get. Read the last lines of his original post carefully.
And there is this gem from a post of his in another thread:
"When I get tired of hearing myself, I just bring out the "omfg troll" personality, and voila, the discussion ends, before having time to mature into what could have been something great."
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I don't. ------------------------------------------------
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero Shame, since the eve forums strikes your Grammar Link wrecking for incomprehensible damage.
Although hilariously, firefox's wildcard function still finds the correct link. Amazing.
It's ****'d out in the redirect link in ie but it still goes to the correct image for me.
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
Zeba is the BEST! ~Mitnal |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.26 06:01:00 -
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yay moar emorage quits.
seriously you need to join a big mining / industrial corp and work that way. --------------------------
WTB a sig, or moderation of my sig by all the hot CCP girls. |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.09.26 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: Trig Onami Before the guy who says "FIRST, CAN I HAZ YOUR STUFF" says anything.. I'd like to say that I am first, and no.
I'd rather let my measly 150 million worth of assets evaporate with my 20 Giant Secure Containers at Asteroid Belt IV-1, Wirdalen, Metropolis.
These 20 cans are there for me to occasionally mine 78000m3 of ore, without any fear that my cans will be stolen into by pirates who like to come over and target me and ask me to fight them all the time. Since the belt seldomly used, I decided this was a great place to anchor a grid of 20 cans (all 5km apart, 5 x 4 grid) close to the left most side of this belt. so that people who happen to mine at my belt could clean the RIGHT side of the belt if they wish.. and move on to the 6 other belts in the system, leaving me with at least what i need to produce my Small Tractor Beams.
Moving these cans is basically 2 hours of work. I only have a Retriever, and for me the safest way to mine in this system full of harrassing players is the absolute safest way possible. No one can access my stuff.
Today I finished mining 78k m3 of one type of ore I need to produce 22 Tractor Beams. Then I was going to proceed to mine the Omber for the Isogen needed to reduce production Cost by 3 million ISK on 22 units. Some guy in a Hulk with his Orca alt decided to rain on my parade by mining the Omber thats less than 15km away from my cans right after I told him I needed this omber.
There's clearly no argument here as to who is right and wrong. He can mine where ever he wants.. but I have a Retriever, he has a Hulk with more skills and can basically clean out all 8 Omber rocks near my cans in less than half hour. I would only have time to mine 2 in that time period, while the other side of the belt is left untouched, where I suggested he could go while I'm at my cans..
Basically, he is sticking to his "I'm just mining" story and doesn't care about the 12 million m3 of ore in the rest of the system.. Seems he just wants to take what is easily accessible to me. People in the system defend him. He's telling me I'm a noob for mining into Secure cans... from the moment he entered the system, his sights were on the 25 square Km of belt I could mine.
I get mad because this is the 4th time it's happened this week. So I cancelled my subs. Tired of it. Great game, CCP, I deserved to be shunned out, such as what you'll see below this post.
G o b a c k t o W o W.... -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Tier 5 Battleships
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.09.26 06:31:00 -
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4/10, would read again, mild lols near the middle. ----------------
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Amy Kei
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Posted - 2009.09.26 06:41:00 -
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Well, obviously being Inconsiderate is not a crime. At least, in EVE.
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