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Trig Onami
Caldari
Onami Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:09:00 -
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Before the guy who says "FIRST, CAN I HAZ YOUR STUFF" says anything.. I'd like to say that I am first, and no.
I'd rather let my measly 150 million worth of assets evaporate with my 20 Giant Secure Containers at Asteroid Belt IV-1, Wirdalen, Metropolis.
These 20 cans are there for me to occasionally mine 78000m3 of ore, without any fear that my cans will be stolen into by pirates who like to come over and target me and ask me to fight them all the time. Since the belt seldomly used, I decided this was a great place to anchor a grid of 20 cans (all 5km apart, 5 x 4 grid) close to the left most side of this belt. so that people who happen to mine at my belt could clean the RIGHT side of the belt if they wish.. and move on to the 6 other belts in the system, leaving me with at least what i need to produce my Small Tractor Beams.
Moving these cans is basically 2 hours of work. I only have a Retriever, and for me the safest way to mine in this system full of harrassing players is the absolute safest way possible. No one can access my stuff.
Today I finished mining 78k m3 of one type of ore I need to produce 22 Tractor Beams. Then I was going to proceed to mine the Omber for the Isogen needed to reduce production Cost by 3 million ISK on 22 units. Some guy in a Hulk with his Orca alt decided to rain on my parade by mining the Omber thats less than 15km away from my cans right after I told him I needed this omber.
There's clearly no argument here as to who is right and wrong. He can mine where ever he wants.. but I have a Retriever, he has a Hulk with more skills and can basically clean out all 8 Omber rocks near my cans in less than half hour. I would only have time to mine 2 in that time period, while the other side of the belt is left untouched, where I suggested he could go while I'm at my cans..
Basically, he is sticking to his "I'm just mining" story and doesn't care about the 12 million m3 of ore in the rest of the system.. Seems he just wants to take what is easily accessible to me. People in the system defend him. He's telling me I'm a noob for mining into Secure cans... from the moment he entered the system, his sights were on the 25 square Km of belt I could mine.
I get mad because this is the 4th time it's happened this week. So I cancelled my subs. Tired of it. Great game, CCP, I deserved to be shunned out, such as what you'll see below this post.
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Mai Shiranui
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:12:00 -
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Actually, Dude, that's part of the problem here on EVE.
Beware of Jiggling Objects. |
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:12:00 -
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6/10
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Haruhiist since December 2008
 Originally by: CCP Fallout
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari
Life is Experience
New Eden Hardware Emporium
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:13:00 -
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Wait you mean you've stopped training for the Hulk?
Eve-online Industrial Organiser thread t1 & t2 batch manufacturing |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:20:00 -
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I'm going to assume you were vocal about it in local. Bad mistake in a game filled with people who get a rush from the simplest forms of arsehattery especially if they know they have a live one to play with. 
Advice for others in the same situation. Don't smack in local and don't react to greifers. If someone is trying to mine 'your' patch of ore then let them as nothing you can do will stop them from doing it. Take the hit to your yield and go mine in another belt. Then if he comes into the new belt you are in and starts to mine the ore you are mining and there is plenty left elsewhere you can file a petition for harrasment and get him a warning. They tend to go away and leave you alone after that. 
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[03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
Zeba is the BEST! ~Mitnal |
Trig Onami
Caldari
Onami Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sidrat Flush
Wait you mean you've stopped training for the Hulk?
even with a hulk I wouldn't mine into a jet can. simple as that. I have my small grid. that's all I need. 3 Badger II loads. I'm happy with the income it brought me. I was just starting out.. and I don't have the money to pay for a Hulk either. So I'm trying new things here and there.. seeing what is best for me. Nothing I can do about those who grief. If only I could buy my own system. Sigh. anyway.. I'm gonna be back in like 6 months. Maybe they'll forget I ever existed. WTB name changes. o7
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Lotus Sutra
Caldari
Sutra Inc
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:22:00 -
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Edited by: Lotus Sutra on 26/09/2009 04:25:19
So let me get this straight, you think because you gridded an asteroid belt with GSC's so you could mine in them safely (smart), that you own them then?
You then think that just because your mining a patch of belt that someone coming into the belt and mining must or should go to the other side of the belt just so YOU can mine 'your' little patch of asteroid belt without competition?
You did the right thing unsubscribing your accounts if something so minor hurts your feelings so much. I don't want your stuff, keep it for when you decide to resubscribe your account. You will want all that stuff.
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Valeronx
Celestial Horizon Corp.
United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: Trig Onami
people who happen to mine at my belt could clean the RIGHT side of the belt if they wish
And right here is your problem Trig. It's NOT your belt.
Just because you decided to anchor some cans there in no way makes it 'yours'.
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Trig Onami
Caldari
Onami Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:34:00 -
[9]
Originally by: Lotus Sutra
Edited by: Lotus Sutra on 26/09/2009 04:25:19
So let me get this straight, you think because you gridded an asteroid belt with GSC's so you could mine in them safely (smart), that you own them then?
You then think that just because your mining a patch of belt that someone coming into the belt and mining must or should go to the other side of the belt just so YOU can mine 'your' little patch of asteroid belt without competition?
You did the right thing unsubscribing your accounts if something so minor hurts your feelings so much. I don't want your stuff, keep it for when you decide to resubscribe your account. You will want all that stuff.
Consideration of others exists. How would you like it if I took a sip of your beer before you got to open it. When you already gave me the opportunity to have my own beer, just over there on the other side of the same table?
I didn't say the belt is mine.. But I did mention that the Omber was going to be in use.. the what.. 80,000 units near my cans that I could put into my cans without having to travel so much. it already takes me an hour to mine that. While the other side of the same exact belt had even more than 80,000 units of Omber to mine .. but the guy just parked his orca in my face and started cleaning me out.
I don't quit just because of him. I quit because I was trying to make some of the people who play the game happy with better prices than everyone else.. Having such a small scale operation would not affect other's game play whatsoever.. but all they do is **** on me like I have a sign saying "PLEASE DO TAKE EVERYTHING FROM UNDER MY NOSE" .. 4 times in a week. not just once. I dont' care if you want my stuff or not. Thanks for letting me know how deeply you feel about my post.
EVE. The most ambitious project on earth. |
Lotus Sutra
Caldari
Sutra Inc
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:41:00 -
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Edited by: Lotus Sutra on 26/09/2009 04:41:48
Originally by: Trig Onami
Originally by: Lotus Sutra
Edited by: Lotus Sutra on 26/09/2009 04:25:19
So let me get this straight, you think because you gridded an asteroid belt with GSC's so you could mine in them safely (smart), that you own them then?
You then think that just because your mining a patch of belt that someone coming into the belt and mining must or should go to the other side of the belt just so YOU can mine 'your' little patch of asteroid belt without competition?
You did the right thing unsubscribing your accounts if something so minor hurts your feelings so much. I don't want your stuff, keep it for when you decide to resubscribe your account. You will want all that stuff.
Consideration of others exists. How would you like it if I took a sip of your beer before you got to open it. When you already gave me the opportunity to have my own beer, just over there on the other side of the same table?
I didn't say the belt is mine.. But I did mention that the Omber was going to be in use.. the what.. 80,000 units near my cans that I could put into my cans without having to travel so much. it already takes me an hour to mine that. While the other side of the same exact belt had even more than 80,000 units of Omber to mine .. but the guy just parked his orca in my face and started cleaning me out.
I don't quit just because of him. I quit because I was trying to make some of the people who play the game happy with better prices than everyone else.. Having such a small scale operation would not affect other's game play whatsoever.. but all they do is **** on me like I have a sign saying "PLEASE DO TAKE EVERYTHING FROM UNDER MY NOSE" .. 4 times in a week. not just once. I dont' care if you want my stuff or not. Thanks for letting me know how deeply you feel about my post.
You missed the pertinent part here. EVE is all about competition. If your undercutting my prices, do you think I'm going to stand still and see my bottom line drop because of you w/o responding in some fashion?
If you think that just because your operation is small that you should not be targeted for a response your dead wrong. Small operations can and often do grow into large operations.
If you need a reminder here, let me quote my own post
Originally by: Lotus Sutra
You did the right thing unsubscribing your accounts if something so minor hurts your feelings so much.
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Wendi Watson
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Trig Onami
Consideration of others exists. How would you like it if I took a sip of your beer before you got to open it. When you already gave me the opportunity to have my own beer, just over there on the other side of the same table?
I didn't say the belt is mine.. But I did mention that the Omber was going to be in use.. the what.. 80,000 units near my cans that I could put into my cans without having to travel so much. it already takes me an hour to mine that. While the other side of the same exact belt had even more than 80,000 units of Omber to mine .. but the guy just parked his orca in my face and started cleaning me out.
I don't quit just because of him. I quit because I was trying to make some of the people who play the game happy with better prices than everyone else.. Having such a small scale operation would not affect other's game play whatsoever.. but all they do is **** on me like I have a sign saying "PLEASE DO TAKE EVERYTHING FROM UNDER MY NOSE" .. 4 times in a week. not just once. I dont' care if you want my stuff or not. Thanks for letting me know how deeply you feel about my post.
The problem is that you started feeling entitled to the ore near your cans. It's never your stuff until it's safely in your ship's hold. Just like not counting your chickens before they hatch, don't be counting ore until it's in your hold.
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Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:47:00 -
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I learned something about this game, even before I started playing, and that is that it's about conflict of one sort or another, some call it pvp, which can take many forms, be that competing in the market for the best profits to taking on opponents face to face and trying to blow them up before they do the same to you.
As a consequence of this, if you wish to stake your claim on a particular resource, such as those asteroids you mine, someone may well contest that claim. This means that to maintain your hold on said resource involves being able to defend it and keep it out of the hands of competitors.
You may feel that this is unfair, which is understandable if you aren't able to accept that one tenet of this game. Some may be considerate enough to let you mine that patch of asteroids, but you need to realise that there are others who see any resource they can take as being fair game, and that is just part of playing the game.
There are many people all over New Eden battling in one way or another over the resources available to them, if they all decided to leave the game because others wouldn't let them have what they wanted, EvE would become a very quiet game in a short space of time.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:49:00 -
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This almost makes me want to train up for a hulk, I won't of course but almost 
And now I need to take a 5 minute nap before I have the energy to post again. |
Trig Onami
Caldari
Onami Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:56:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Serge Bastana
I learned something about this game, even before I started playing, and that is that it's about conflict of one sort or another, some call it pvp, which can take many forms, be that competing in the market for the best profits to taking on opponents face to face and trying to blow them up before they do the same to you.
As a consequence of this, if you wish to stake your claim on a particular resource, such as those asteroids you mine, someone may well contest that claim. This means that to maintain your hold on said resource involves being able to defend it and keep it out of the hands of competitors.
You may feel that this is unfair, which is understandable if you aren't able to accept that one tenet of this game. Some may be considerate enough to let you mine that patch of asteroids, but you need to realise that there are others who see any resource they can take as being fair game, and that is just part of playing the game.
There are many people all over New Eden battling in one way or another over the resources available to them, if they all decided to leave the game because others wouldn't let them have what they wanted, EvE would become a very quiet game in a short space of time.
That Sutra chick is annoying at best, so I'm going to ignore "it".
Serge, I understand what you are saying here, but I don't want my business to become big. I just want enough to fend for myself. And I feel the 18 million ISK a week I would get from 22 Tractor Beams is perfect for my needs. If I wanted to really be nasty.. I would go out there and put my lasers up on rocks that already have lasers on them. But I don't, because I truly think that with so many asteroid belts out there, there's absolutely no need to rain on people's parades..
The big guy messes the little guy's chance at having fun, the little guy doesn't reach the level of skill the big guy eventually will need him to be to have more fun in the future. So why mess up the system. Not like I was selling the Tractor Beams for the 300k it takes to make them.. I was only down 25 - 50 k from the Regional Hub. and 22 a week doesn't totally take the spot light away from the available 450+ on the market at all times.
Thanks for the lovely insight. I did learn something with your post, unlike Sutra's. They're bent on the fact that I said "my belt" when I had clearly meant "The belt I mine at" but whatever floats their boat.. They love trolling.
EVE. The most ambitious project on earth. |
Karma Monster
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:58:00 -
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Never let people know what you care about, because they'll immediately try to **** with it.
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Xiozor
Anonymous Alcoholics
Wrath.
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:06:00 -
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Cool bro, story.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Karma Monster
Never let people know what you care about, because they'll immediately try to **** with it.
I know I will 
And now I need to take a 5 minute nap before I have the energy to post again. |
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:08:00 -
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Also OP, you Misspelled Inconsiderate.
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Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout
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Trig Onami
Caldari
Onami Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:12:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Blane Xero
Also OP, you Misspelled Inconsiderate.
OMFG call the police!
EVE. The most ambitious project on earth. |
Intense Thinker
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Trig Onami
Originally by: Blane Xero
Also OP, you Misspelled Inconsiderate.
OMFG call the police!
Done, they said that your wanton cruelty to the English language is unacceptable and they're on their way to molest you with a wiimote
And now I need to take a 5 minute nap before I have the energy to post again. |
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Lotus Sutra
Caldari
Sutra Inc
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:20:00 -
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Edited by: Lotus Sutra on 26/09/2009 05:22:55
Originally by: Trig Onami
Originally by: Serge Bastana
I learned something about this game, even before I started playing, and that is that it's about conflict of one sort or another, some call it pvp, which can take many forms, be that competing in the market for the best profits to taking on opponents face to face and trying to blow them up before they do the same to you.
As a consequence of this, if you wish to stake your claim on a particular resource, such as those asteroids you mine, someone may well contest that claim. This means that to maintain your hold on said resource involves being able to defend it and keep it out of the hands of competitors.
You may feel that this is unfair, which is understandable if you aren't able to accept that one tenet of this game. Some may be considerate enough to let you mine that patch of asteroids, but you need to realise that there are others who see any resource they can take as being fair game, and that is just part of playing the game.
There are many people all over New Eden battling in one way or another over the resources available to them, if they all decided to leave the game because others wouldn't let them have what they wanted, EvE would become a very quiet game in a short space of time.
That Sutra chick is annoying at best, so I'm going to ignore "it".
Serge, I understand what you are saying here, but I don't want my business to become big. I just want enough to fend for myself. And I feel the 18 million ISK a week I would get from 22 Tractor Beams is perfect for my needs. If I wanted to really be nasty.. I would go out there and put my lasers up on rocks that already have lasers on them. But I don't, because I truly think that with so many asteroid belts out there, there's absolutely no need to rain on people's parades..
The big guy messes the little guy's chance at having fun, the little guy doesn't reach the level of skill the big guy eventually will need him to be to have more fun in the future. So why mess up the system. Not like I was selling the Tractor Beams for the 300k it takes to make them.. I was only down 25 - 50 k from the Regional Hub. and 22 a week doesn't totally take the spot light away from the available 450+ on the market at all times.
Thanks for the lovely insight. I did learn something with your post, unlike Sutra's. They're bent on the fact that I said "my belt" when I had clearly meant "The belt I mine at" but whatever floats their boat.. They love trolling.
Ignore what you can't argue against. Yes I understand this. Try to change what I said into something else. Yes I understand this. It does not change anything I said. EVE is about competition. Your obviously unsuited to play in eve if your going to get so upset and angry over having resources you want to use, mined out by someone else.
Trying to ignore what I said by calling me annoying doesn't change the truth of what I said. Your unsuited to eve. Your unable to handle something so small as another ship mining the asteroids your mining. Your angry and upset because there is no consideration for your feelings in eve. Your angry and upset because there is no consideration for your 'rights' in eve.
Your angry and upset at me because I didn't kiss your little boo boo and say it will be all right. Instead I told you the truth. Your not suited emotionally to play eve. Leave it. Don't come back. it won't be any different in 6 months than it is now, except there will be MORE people competing for resources than there are now and you will have more people mining 'your' little slice of the world.
Go cry to your mommy that someone in your internet spaceship game was mean to you and 'mommy make them stop' then GTFO of eve and go back to wow you whiny little crybaby.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Intense Thinker
Originally by: Trig Onami
Originally by: Blane Xero
Also OP, you Misspelled Inconsiderate.
OMFG call the police!
Done, they said that your wanton cruelty to the English language is unacceptable and they're on their way to molest you with a wiimote
A shame it had to come to that as a copy of this could have prevented the entire horrid affair from ever starting in the first place. 
Quote:
[03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA
[03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
Zeba is the BEST! ~Mitnal |
Valeronx
Celestial Horizon Corp.
United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:31:00 -
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Edited by: Valeronx on 26/09/2009 05:31:14
Don't worry too much over Trig and his responses Sutra. He's started a fairly good Troll thread knowing exactly the responses he'd get. Read the last lines of his original post carefully.
And there is this gem from a post of his in another thread:
"When I get tired of hearing myself, I just bring out the "omfg troll" personality, and voila, the discussion ends, before having time to mature into what could have been something great."
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:31:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 26/09/2009 05:31:58
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Intense Thinker
Originally by: Trig Onami
Originally by: Blane Xero
Also OP, you Misspelled Inconsiderate.
OMFG call the police!
Done, they said that your wanton cruelty to the English language is unacceptable and they're on their way to molest you with a wiimote
A shame it had to come to that as a copy of this could have prevented the entire horrid affair from ever starting in the first place.
Shame, since the eve forums strikes your Grammar Link wrecking for incomprehensible damage.
Although hilariously, firefox's wildcard function still finds the correct link. Amazing.
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Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout
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Lotus Sutra
Caldari
Sutra Inc
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Valeronx
Edited by: Valeronx on 26/09/2009 05:31:14
Don't worry too much over Trig and his responses Sutra. He's started a fairly good Troll thread knowing exactly the responses he'd get. Read the last lines of his original post carefully.
And there is this gem from a post of his in another thread:
"When I get tired of hearing myself, I just bring out the "omfg troll" personality, and voila, the discussion ends, before having time to mature into what could have been something great."
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I don't.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.09.26 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Shame, since the eve forums strikes your Grammar Link wrecking for incomprehensible damage.
Although hilariously, firefox's wildcard function still finds the correct link. Amazing.
It's ****'d out in the redirect link in ie but it still goes to the correct image for me. 
Quote:
[03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA
[03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
Zeba is the BEST! ~Mitnal |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.26 06:01:00 -
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yay moar emorage quits.
seriously you need to join a big mining / industrial corp and work that way.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.09.26 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: Trig Onami
Before the guy who says "FIRST, CAN I HAZ YOUR STUFF" says anything.. I'd like to say that I am first, and no.
I'd rather let my measly 150 million worth of assets evaporate with my 20 Giant Secure Containers at Asteroid Belt IV-1, Wirdalen, Metropolis.
These 20 cans are there for me to occasionally mine 78000m3 of ore, without any fear that my cans will be stolen into by pirates who like to come over and target me and ask me to fight them all the time. Since the belt seldomly used, I decided this was a great place to anchor a grid of 20 cans (all 5km apart, 5 x 4 grid) close to the left most side of this belt. so that people who happen to mine at my belt could clean the RIGHT side of the belt if they wish.. and move on to the 6 other belts in the system, leaving me with at least what i need to produce my Small Tractor Beams.
Moving these cans is basically 2 hours of work. I only have a Retriever, and for me the safest way to mine in this system full of harrassing players is the absolute safest way possible. No one can access my stuff.
Today I finished mining 78k m3 of one type of ore I need to produce 22 Tractor Beams. Then I was going to proceed to mine the Omber for the Isogen needed to reduce production Cost by 3 million ISK on 22 units. Some guy in a Hulk with his Orca alt decided to rain on my parade by mining the Omber thats less than 15km away from my cans right after I told him I needed this omber.
There's clearly no argument here as to who is right and wrong. He can mine where ever he wants.. but I have a Retriever, he has a Hulk with more skills and can basically clean out all 8 Omber rocks near my cans in less than half hour. I would only have time to mine 2 in that time period, while the other side of the belt is left untouched, where I suggested he could go while I'm at my cans..
Basically, he is sticking to his "I'm just mining" story and doesn't care about the 12 million m3 of ore in the rest of the system.. Seems he just wants to take what is easily accessible to me. People in the system defend him. He's telling me I'm a noob for mining into Secure cans... from the moment he entered the system, his sights were on the 25 square Km of belt I could mine.
I get mad because this is the 4th time it's happened this week. So I cancelled my subs. Tired of it. Great game, CCP, I deserved to be shunned out, such as what you'll see below this post.
G o b a c k t o W o W....
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Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Tier 5 Battleships
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.09.26 06:31:00 -
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4/10, would read again, mild lols near the middle.
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Amy Kei
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Posted - 2009.09.26 06:41:00 -
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Well, obviously being Inconsiderate is not a crime. At least, in EVE.
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2009.09.26 06:44:00 -
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Troll or not he has a point.
EVE is, if nothing else, full of ass hats looking to annoy someone.
It's not just those nasty pirates that do this.
It's also the basement dwelling, 40 year old, never been kissed by a women, living off twinkies, mole that has just spent six hours watching his Hulk fill up while jacking it to Miley Cyrus CDs. He's afraid of PVP, so he jumps bravely into a belt and shoots the rocks you are trying to mine, telling himself, 'Now miley will have to love me when I send her my next email to tell her how leet I am'.
Alas, this is the way of the MMO.
Love it or GBTW.
Mr Epeen has spoken
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.09.26 06:48:00 -
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If you're mining omber instead of the scordite or plagioclase that's right next to it, you are your own worst enemy.
In the meantime, realise that even mining is a PvP experience. The ore's not yours until it's in your hold.
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Borun Tal
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.09.26 06:48:00 -
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tl;dr
Your first problem is that you think "the left side" is yours. It ain't, unless you're part of an alliance and your alliance mates will kill anyone entering the belt. Whoever gets there can mine.
Second, Hulks are, in my opinion, a big problem in high sec. The macro'ers are back, CCP, and once again, you ain't doing anything. Same goes for ice miners in Macs. They're predictable, and are tarnishing part of the game for some of us. I think we need the jihad back again. Considering a little jihad of my own against the Macs I know are macro'ers.
Third, nobody ever said this internet spaceships game was fair. Get the frig over it or move on (no, I don't believe you quit over that little incident, or you're a serious loser).
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DarthCaboose
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Posted - 2009.09.26 06:51:00 -
[34]
Alternatively you can take this as a learning experience and adapt to the circumstance.
Maybe you should anchor cans at different belts so that you can perform your mining operation at a variety of belts when this happens. You could try competing with the hulk for some of the ore (while a good hulk is ~175% faster than a retriever, you'll still be able to compete for some of the ore).
Or, and this is possibly one of the most amazing things about Eve, you could try and find some friends to help you out with the mining op. Have them fill your cans and pay them a good amount to boot.
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Mr Smooth
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Posted - 2009.09.26 07:15:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Blane Xero
Also OP, you Misspelled Inconsiderate.
I had previously thought that there was an unwritten rule, in forums, that you should not criticise someone for their use of language, especially when it is likely that English is not their first language. However, now that you have corrected my thinking, why have you used capital letters for "Misspelled" and "Inconsiderate"? I guess that men in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones. ;P
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.09.26 07:16:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Mr Smooth
Originally by: Blane Xero
Also OP, you Misspelled Inconsiderate.
I had previously thought that there was an unwritten rule, in forums, that you should not criticise someone for their use of language, especially when it is likely that English is not their first language. However, now that you have corrected my thinking, why have you used capital letters for "Misspelled" and "Inconsiderate"? I guess that men in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones. ;P
Typing using a graphics tablet can produce odd Capitalisation.
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Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout
:facepalm:
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2009.09.26 07:19:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Mr Smooth
Originally by: Blane Xero
Also OP, you Misspelled Inconsiderate.
I had previously thought that there was an unwritten rule, in forums, that you should not criticise someone for their use of language, especially when it is likely that English is not their first language. However, now that you have corrected my thinking, why have you used capital letters for "Misspelled" and "Inconsiderate"? I guess that men in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones. ;P
Typing using a graphics tablet can produce odd Capitalisation.
You spelled capitalization wrong.
Mr Epeen
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.09.26 07:20:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Mr Smooth
Originally by: Blane Xero
Also OP, you Misspelled Inconsiderate.
I had previously thought that there was an unwritten rule, in forums, that you should not criticise someone for their use of language, especially when it is likely that English is not their first language. However, now that you have corrected my thinking, why have you used capital letters for "Misspelled" and "Inconsiderate"? I guess that men in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones. ;P
Typing using a graphics tablet can produce odd Capitalisation.
You spelled capitalization wrong.
Mr Epeen
TouchT
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Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout
:facepalm:
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Storm Templar
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.09.26 07:23:00 -
[39]
"I anchored cans onto this belt, it should be mine to mine and no one else can mine here but me! WAAAHH WAAAHH" That is all I'm seeing in the OP.
It's EVE mate, you don't like his Hulk plugging away at "your" belt?. You can sit there and cry about your "misfortune" (you are) or you can just find another belt or another system or another region. The remedy for your issue is very very hard aye?
Cry mich ein river mate,
Stormie
p.s. Can I have your stuffs? (even though you said no, but mommy said that persistence is best)
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.09.26 07:26:00 -
[40]
The solution is simple:
1) Declare war on rival miner.
2) Kill rival miner. Repeat as necessary.
3) ??????
4) Profit!
Or just move out of highsec, then you can shoot him without the war dec.
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Shade Millith
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.09.26 07:53:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Sera Ryskin
The solution is simple:
1) Declare war on rival miner.
2) Kill rival miner. Repeat as necessary.
3) ??????
4) Profit!
Or just move out of highsec, then you can shoot him without the war dec.
Screw that, get a torp raven and suicide gank his arse.
Best solution ever \o/
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Cassiopeia Draco
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Posted - 2009.09.26 07:59:00 -
[42]
Smelling a troll here, but I'll bite.
Many have pointed it out but to reiterate the point, its not your ore, and you went about dealing with the situation the wrong way.
You've also done the wisest thing in quiting before you put anymore time in, cause id love to see your response to loosing a ship to another player through non-consensual pvp.
Being friendly actually helps, ask him about fitting a hulk, base skills required, his cycle stats with/without the the orca, and you might have got a better response, even a gang invite to mine with him.
Personally i wont mine roids if theres already someone mining it, simply becuase its just not worth the hassel for constant management of the strip miners. However if someone starts mining a roid after ive started on it, I'll train 2-3 strips and 10 drones, on that one roid and mine it out from under him, then every other roid hes mining, if its in range, until he gets the idea that mining the roids in that area of the belt isnt worth it as im reducing his isk per hour, normally after 2/3 roids he gets the idea and ether goes to another belt, or as far away from me as possible.
However If i see a lone guy in a belt mining, I'll stay away from anything hes currently mining, and start chatting, I might even offer the guy a gang invite, so he can benefit from the bonuses.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.26 08:29:00 -
[43]
All this (supposedly) over Omber?! 
You might have wanted to consider mining something else and just buying the minerals instead, since Omber is worth (roughly) fsck-all.
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Bal'Ayle
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Posted - 2009.09.26 08:35:00 -
[44]
i sympathise with you in that a lot of players, myself at some points included can be quite inconsiderate, and yes it would have made more sence for him to mine the area to the right of the belt, But, you may have had a higher concentration of ore on your side, it may have been closer ((hulks move slow))
for instance, the other side of the belt may be 45km from your can marked zone, and i know i would myself move onto your patch to stop a long a** meander over to the other side of the belt. your best bet for this is to mark out the furthest areas of the belt,
or it may just be that like myself, when he was starting out there was some cheese better then him marking out areas he wasn't allowed to mine in his ibis?
to be fair when i started out i just used regular cans, and then used a hauler to move them. your set up is nice but essentially redundant. why not join an industrialist corporation and mine with a group? or better yet use an alt to haul the stuff and one to mine it.
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Scott Ryder
Amarr
Sisters of Korhal
CaLiARr Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.26 08:37:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Scott Ryder on 26/09/2009 08:38:02
I can suicide gank him for you a couple times if you fund it?
All i need is 3 battlecruisers (I will offcourse buy them myself, but you can pay for the insurance) or something like that i think. Anyways if you fund the losses (I will insure it, so the losses wont be that big)
Harbinger costs 50 mil fitted, I get 30 back. You will need to scoop the loot and salvage me, in fact in may break even when his hulk pops.
Alternative I can get into my abso buildt to bump miners :) easly knocks him 200 km away from the belt, I can do that all day long...
Convo me ingamge and we can set it up, im in the mood for hurting a griefer :)
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Wulf Tarkin
Gallente
Sons of Apathy
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Posted - 2009.09.26 10:53:00 -
[46]
Looks like I'll be going mining... Where's that belt again?
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AsheraII
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Posted - 2009.09.26 11:10:00 -
[47]
I see two inconsiderate people:
Obviously the guy who mines into a location at the same moment someone else is already mining there.
Second, the guy who litters a spec of nowhere land with ugly anchored jetcans and claims it "his".
Ofcourse, "consideration" isn't exactly what this game is about. It may help you sometimes, but cut you at other times.
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Thenoran
Caldari
Pelican.
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Posted - 2009.09.26 11:19:00 -
[48]
Potential troll, but I'll just suggest to use cargo expanders when you get a Hulk and mine that way.
Gets you over 22k m3 of space with GSCs put in.
The time spent warping to and from station will be far less than the time you need to take it out of 20 GSCs.
I've used them myself in the past, but I spread them equally all over the belt, basicly following the curve/shape of the asteroid belt, even going around it like a ring.
Each can had access to like fifty roids if not more.
Gave that up in the end as GSCs are crap if you need to mine a specific type of ore.
Gave up Mining myself entirely anyways, buying the materials and building whatever I need goes much faster.
And time is money, even in EVE.
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.09.26 11:31:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Zartanic on 26/09/2009 11:32:50
Originally by: Trig Onami
Originally by: Blane Xero
Also OP, you Misspelled Inconsiderate.
OMFG call the police!
Without a lot of training you can do Level 4 missions for about 40 million an hour. Also mining is very much PVP from the little I have read about it. Your competing for resource's and on top of that your likely to be a very easy target. So what happened to you was almost a certainty.
Do you lay towels down next to swimming pools early in the morning to claim your space by any chance?
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Siko lawk
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Posted - 2009.09.26 11:33:00 -
[50]
I think what this guys is really trying to say is....
recent studies have shown that 98% of all griefers have really little willies and probably get bullied in RL. Usually in RL they are so insignificant and that week and feeble amongst their peers that they have to accommodate that by developing a virtual ego to replace what they are lacking in RL.
This is why griefers exist!
So... If you get griefed then laugh it off as the joke is on them! 
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2009.09.26 11:39:00 -
[51]
Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 26/09/2009 11:42:51
Stop being a baby and spread out your secure cans. Geez. 
Also, manually cycle your strip miners on the roids he's mining when they get to 1/4 done. He's probably using T2 strips and crystals, so he won't really want to do that... if you're careful and use a mineral scanner, you can make sure he ends up with only a small handful of m3 on the odd cycle, which (as I'm sure you can figure) is fairly annoying.
Less QQ, moar revenge plzkthxbai.
Edit: Addendum to the counter-grief above; keep doing that even if your cargo is full.
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Yelan Zhou
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.26 11:50:00 -
[52]
Very entertaining troll, I had to read it twice till I found it.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.09.26 11:57:00 -
[53]
ITT: mining pvp.
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The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr
Lollipops for Rancors
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Posted - 2009.09.26 12:03:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Sera Ryskin
The solution is simple:
1) Declare war on rival miner.
2) Kill rival miner. Repeat as necessary.
3) ??????
4) Profit!
Or just move out of highsec, then you can shoot him without the war dec.
This.
People act like arse hats because they think they can get away with it consequence free.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Rage of Inferno
Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.09.26 12:10:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 26/09/2009 12:10:17
Originally by: Mr Epeen
Troll or not he has a point.
EVE is, if nothing else, full of ass hats looking to annoy someone.
It's not just those nasty pirates that do this.
It's also the basement dwelling, 40 year old, never been kissed by a women, living off twinkies, mole that has just spent six hours watching his Hulk fill up while jacking it to Miley Cyrus CDs. He's afraid of PVP, so he jumps bravely into a belt and shoots the rocks you are trying to mine, telling himself, 'Now miley will have to love me when I send her my next email to tell her how leet I am'.
Alas, this is the way of the MMO.
Love it or GBTW.
Mr Epeen has spoken
Theres plenty ways to either avoid asshats in eve or simply kick em back.
In this example he couldve jumped into a bc and simply blown up the hulk, joined a mining corp that ha the logistics to mine in a remote place in empire and move it to jita etc etc
One good thing asshats do in eve is weed out the lazy, that are annoyed with something and rather quit than trying to come up with a solution.
Good Riddance.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.09.26 12:17:00 -
[56]
Mining is PvP, not PvE, with a slight difference:
The one that yields first wins.
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Ideas for: Mining
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Mercurye
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.26 12:23:00 -
[57]
I accept piracy and griefing in EVE as it is; Ive been playing for so long that its just a part you have to deal with ^^
But the "" inside me will say this to you: Try to engage in conversations with people who are truly likeable....now this is a rather tiring and often rather dissapointing experience, but its worth it if you dont want to feel alone in the vastness of EVE
After all EVE is moreso filled with cavemen than with empathic and considerate people. I guess thats partially because the game attracts a lot of typical anti-social men than nurses or hairdressers ..even though there are exceptions
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2009.09.26 12:27:00 -
[58]
hm..
Cans in belts, easy to screw over and in a player corp.. calls for a wardec and getting the cans blown up.
Also, your "cheapest stuff in the region"-speach sounds like you have no clue about factoring in your oportunity costs.. I hope your "little" operation gets shut down for this.
Oh and EVE is a harsh world.. if you want to play kitty online, try google.
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Another Forum'Alt
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.09.26 12:42:00 -
[59]
7/10
BECAUSE OF FALCON.
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nafiy gnaw
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Posted - 2009.09.26 12:43:00 -
[60]
Erm...er.....they are still not your roids though, dosent matter how many fabulous giant super secure containers you put next to it...............
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.09.26 12:47:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Abrazzar
Mining is PvP, not PvE, with a slight difference:
The one that yields first wins.
not first, but the one that actually yields more
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.09.26 14:00:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Abrazzar
Mining is PvP, not PvE, with a slight difference:
The one that yields first wins.
not first, but the one that actually yields more
Ok ok, I yield.
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Ideas for: Mining
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Vyktor Abyss
Gallente
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.26 14:10:00 -
[63]
Please give me his name Trig.
Come Monday (when I get my repaired PC back) I will happily declare war on him on your behalf for the inherant lack of good manners.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.09.26 14:26:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Trig Onami
Then I was going to proceed to mine the Omber for the Isogen needed to reduce production Cost by 3 million ISK on 22 units.
Someone please suicide gank the OP.
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Korizan
Red Mercury Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.09.26 14:43:00 -
[65]
Your story is far from being new, most miners will have stories of people mining the belt they were in or getting suicided.
Several years ago when I was first starting off I had the same thing happen to me when I was using a hauler and not using secure cans.
A group of miners came in a proceeded to wipe out the system I was mining in.
Basically all you can do is move on.
I was also suicided that same year 4 cruisers to take out a single retriever.
And I have been can flipped as well that year, stole it back and lost a frigate in the process but oh well.
The point being is if you have 2 accounts use one to haul and @ least then you can move to the next belt with little hassle.
And as I posted above that won't be your only problems you will run into as a miner.
Not to be harsh but you can either learn to deal with the Issues when they show up or find a new profession.
Oh welcome to mining, I hope you find what you you are looking for.
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.26 15:38:00 -
[66]
Problem analysis complete:
* OP found out that he's not playing a solo game.
* OP finally realised that putting cans in a belt - though a useful tactic - does not result in actual ownership of any part of a belt.
If EVE - with its competitive sandbox style of gaming (which includes people sometimes not behaving according to your wishes) - does not fit OPs gaming preferences then OP was right to cancel accounts.
The whole whining about it thread is a bit pointless though.
What makes EVE great is the challenges it provides. And other players provide much better challenges then any NPC engine ever could.
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ISK BUYER = LOSER
EVE TV- Bring it back!
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.09.26 15:51:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Zeba
I'm going to assume you were vocal about it in local. Bad mistake in a game filled with people who get a rush from the simplest forms of arsehattery especially if they know they have a live one to play with.
Advice for others in the same situation. Don't smack in local and don't react to greifers. If someone is trying to mine 'your' patch of ore then let them as nothing you can do will stop them from doing it. Take the hit to your yield and go mine in another belt. Then if he comes into the new belt you are in and starts to mine the ore you are mining and there is plenty left elsewhere you can file a petition for harrasment and get him a warning. They tend to go away and leave you alone after that.
My favorite tactic is to actively short cycle my mining lasers on the same rocks they're mining. Especially if the rock is about to pop.
"She who's laser cycle stops first gets the ore."
--Vel
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2009.09.26 16:56:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 26/09/2009 16:57:22
Here's how you avoid the whole problem and still get to do some decent mining:
1. Start running missions until you get a decent level 4 agent.
2. Mine the veldspar and scordite that permeates many level 4 missions which nobody will try to steal from you.
3. Watch out for a very special mission called Rogue Slave Trader Part II: downing the slavers.
4. Notice in the first part of the mission there are omber asteroids containing 400,000 units of omber in total. Run the mission, kill everything in the first room but don't go into the second room, mine the 400k omber and then leave the mission as-is until after downtime when the mission will reset and the asteroids respawn.
5. Rinse and repeat for the whole 5 days that the mission is available until it expires and pocket 2 million units of omber.
6. ???
7. Pat yourself on the back for beating the system instead of whining about it.
8. Profit.
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Saartje Sarel
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Posted - 2009.09.26 17:23:00 -
[69]
Eve is not a single player game.
QED.
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Juwi Kotch
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Posted - 2009.09.26 17:28:00 -
[70]
In EVE one cannot rely or count on people being nice, just the contrary. EVE is full of sociopaths whos greatest satisfaction is to ruin the fun of others. So never make it known, that you care about something, especially not in local. This works for all those griefers out there like cow dung on flies, they are irresistibly attracted by it.
The only thing one can do is to grow balls, learn to fight, and kill them like the dung eating flies they are.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.26 17:37:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Trig Onami
Then I was going to proceed to mine the Omber for the Isogen needed to reduce production Cost by 3 million ISK on 22 units.
Someone please suicide gank the OP.
Just to clarify this for the OP (on the very slight off chance that it isn't a troll): you do not reduce the production cost by mining the Omber yourself. All you're doing is paying the exact same cost in ore, rather than in ISK.
In fact, you're probably losing money doing it that way. What you should be doing is mine something that's actually worth a bit, sell that crap (or rather the minerals), and use the money to buy the Iso you want on buy orders.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Marcus Atntony
The Element Syndicate
Black Mesa Project
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Posted - 2009.09.26 18:07:00 -
[72]
Trig, please don't lump all the players of eve together into one group, or quite a game you enjoy just because of some asshats.
Best solution to your problems that i can think of; go join a good mid size industrial corp... like ours (really mean that too, mail me ingame) :D good times, mining ops, help ect. It really does help the game alot I find to be with a good active corp.
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Laruant Wiggins
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.26 18:09:00 -
[73]
I'm going to assume this is not a troll post.
How close where your cans to the warp-in point? Hulks are slow.
You just meet the other regional tractor beam producer.
You reponded to the first occurence, which made you a target for lol's. (according to your post you did it in local which attracted even more people to target you)
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Ki'rin Talloth
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Posted - 2009.09.26 19:09:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Tippia
Just to clarify this for the OP: you do not reduce the production cost by mining the Omber yourself. All you're doing is paying the exact same cost in ore, rather than in ISK.
*shakes head* Good god, not again...
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.26 19:15:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Ki'rin Talloth
Originally by: Tippia
Just to clarify this for the OP: you do not reduce the production cost by mining the Omber yourself. All you're doing is paying the exact same cost in ore, rather than in ISK.
*shakes head* Good god, not again...
Always!
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.09.26 19:15:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Trig Onami
Before the guy who says "FIRST, CAN I HAZ YOUR STUFF" says anything.. I'd like to say that I am first, and no.
I'd rather let my measly 150 million worth of assets evaporate with my 20 Giant Secure Containers at Asteroid Belt IV-1, Wirdalen, Metropolis.
These 20 cans are there for me to occasionally mine 78000m3 of ore, without any fear that my cans will be stolen into by pirates who like to come over and target me and ask me to fight them all the time. Since the belt seldomly used, I decided this was a great place to anchor a grid of 20 cans (all 5km apart, 5 x 4 grid) close to the left most side of this belt. so that people who happen to mine at my belt could clean the RIGHT side of the belt if they wish.. and move on to the 6 other belts in the system, leaving me with at least what i need to produce my Small Tractor Beams.
Moving these cans is basically 2 hours of work. I only have a Retriever, and for me the safest way to mine in this system full of harrassing players is the absolute safest way possible. No one can access my stuff.
Today I finished mining 78k m3 of one type of ore I need to produce 22 Tractor Beams. Then I was going to proceed to mine the Omber for the Isogen needed to reduce production Cost by 3 million ISK on 22 units. Some guy in a Hulk with his Orca alt decided to rain on my parade by mining the Omber thats less than 15km away from my cans right after I told him I needed this omber.
There's clearly no argument here as to who is right and wrong. He can mine where ever he wants.. but I have a Retriever, he has a Hulk with more skills and can basically clean out all 8 Omber rocks near my cans in less than half hour. I would only have time to mine 2 in that time period, while the other side of the belt is left untouched, where I suggested he could go while I'm at my cans..
Basically, he is sticking to his "I'm just mining" story and doesn't care about the 12 million m3 of ore in the rest of the system.. Seems he just wants to take what is easily accessible to me. People in the system defend him. He's telling me I'm a noob for mining into Secure cans... from the moment he entered the system, his sights were on the 25 square Km of belt I could mine.
I get mad because this is the 4th time it's happened this week. So I cancelled my subs. Tired of it. Great game, CCP, I deserved to be shunned out, such as what you'll see below this post.
You are either a troll ( a good one ) or you deserve to be :
Humiliated
Insulted
Laughed at
etc..
All for your own good .
Poor child was interrupted in the belt so it quited ... how do you cope with RL ?
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Jerreye
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Posted - 2009.09.26 19:15:00 -
[77]
People online are what they're not in real life. The nice, shy, considerate guy that helps gramps carry his groceries is the dumbest ***** imaginable when he's anonymous five thousand miles away from whoever he's interacting with and will jump at the first opportunity to act like an obnoxious ******* on a public forum.
Reminding myself 99 out of 100 of these people are fatties works for me.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.09.26 19:18:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Ki'rin Talloth
Originally by: Tippia
Just to clarify this for the OP: you do not reduce the production cost by mining the Omber yourself. All you're doing is paying the exact same cost in ore, rather than in ISK.
*shakes head* Good god, not again...
I know! The nerve of using Logic in this thread of all places!
That common sense can sure be a ***** to troll against can't it.
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Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout
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RamsesNeverDances
Minmatar
OPEN SPACE ASTRO - INDUSTRIES
Silent Requiem
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Posted - 2009.09.26 20:07:00 -
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Ive got a few can farms set up that i frequently use.
My only tip is to mine valuable scarce ore first.
Golden/Silver Omber vanishes rapidly so get that in your can before you even contempate harvesting any Veldspar.
I often mine in different systems too (just for a change of pace and a different background to look at) and whenever i get to a belt thats obviously set for farming i start at the side furthest from the cans as a courtesy, if no one shows up whilst im stripping that side of the field then i'll happily clear the rest and leave nothing behind.
If someone comes into one of the belts i consider to be MINE, then i openly discuss it and ask if they want a fleet boost as incentive to work with me rather than pester, that way everyone gets the most ore they can in the shortest period of time. More often than not this works out well for all involved and gives you someone outside of local to talk to.
I learned early on that there are ******* miners who have no iterest in working together which is fine too, but there are ways to foil them.
1: Skill up and gear up to outstrip the field before they can.
2: Equip a scanner to allow you to hop and seriously upset the competition.
Roid hopping as i call it (theres more likely another term for this asshattery but i dont know it) is fun and infuriating, i scan a belt and start mining. Once a roid im working on has less than a cycle left i hop to another deposit and do the same ther. I know full well most miners rely on their overview to find ore over a scanner, so they see a belt thats rich in minerals whilst i know the belt is full of 1/2 ~ 1/4 cycle roids.
Strippers and lazers dont autoquit till they complete a cycle and realise theres no more ore, so its taken them a full cycle worth of time to get maybe a quarters worth of ore. It adds up eventualy to a massive amount of time wasted, whilst i get to drain the belt dry :D
Cruel but highly amusing seeing people rage hard complaining that people should finish their roidz before moving on to another.
Mining already takes way too long as it is without spending even more tme doing absoloutly nothing, eventualy they emoquit and warp iut leavng you to your own devices.
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Blackk Ops
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Posted - 2009.09.26 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Blackk Ops on 26/09/2009 20:23:41
Edited by: Blackk Ops on 26/09/2009 20:23:19
Originally by: Trig Onami
Before the guy who says "FIRST, CAN I HAZ YOUR STUFF" says anything.. I'd like to say that I am first, and no.
I'd rather let my measly 150 million worth of assets evaporate with my 20 Giant Secure Containers at Asteroid Belt IV-1, Wirdalen, Metropolis.
These 20 cans are there for me to occasionally mine 78000m3 of ore, without any fear that my cans will be stolen into by pirates who like to come over and target me and ask me to fight them all the time. Since the belt seldomly used, I decided this was a great place to anchor a grid of 20 cans (all 5km apart, 5 x 4 grid) close to the left most side of this belt. so that people who happen to mine at my belt could clean the RIGHT side of the belt if they wish.. and move on to the 6 other belts in the system, leaving me with at least what i need to produce my Small Tractor Beams.
Moving these cans is basically 2 hours of work. I only have a Retriever, and for me the safest way to mine in this system full of harrassing players is the absolute safest way possible. No one can access my stuff.
Today I finished mining 78k m3 of one type of ore I need to produce 22 Tractor Beams. Then I was going to proceed to mine the Omber for the Isogen needed to reduce production Cost by 3 million ISK on 22 units. Some guy in a Hulk with his Orca alt decided to rain on my parade by mining the Omber thats less than 15km away from my cans right after I told him I needed this omber.
There's clearly no argument here as to who is right and wrong. He can mine where ever he wants.. but I have a Retriever, he has a Hulk with more skills and can basically clean out all 8 Omber rocks near my cans in less than half hour. I would only have time to mine 2 in that time period, while the other side of the belt is left untouched, where I suggested he could go while I'm at my cans..
Basically, he is sticking to his "I'm just mining" story and doesn't care about the 12 million m3 of ore in the rest of the system.. Seems he just wants to take what is easily accessible to me. People in the system defend him. He's telling me I'm a noob for mining into Secure cans... from the moment he entered the system, his sights were on the 25 square Km of belt I could mine.
I get mad because this is the 4th time it's happened this week. So I cancelled my subs. Tired of it. Great game, CCP, I deserved to be shunned out, such as what you'll see below this post.
Thing is, in this game, you get to kill the people who annoy you. If you get faced like that, and just shuffle over and move along, this person(and his friends probably) will make it their business to harass you wherever you mine. It's bully behavior. only way to stop it(in eve and in life) is to stop the bully. sack up, catch his punk ass in low sec and pod the mother****er. Don't forget to jettison his corpse in front of his corp's HQ
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Trig Onami
Caldari
Onami Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.27 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: Trig Onami on 27/09/2009 00:02:35
Not sure where you guys get the Trolling definition from. Thanks for all the help from those who provided constructive feedback. I appreciate it.
I had a real long speech but it got deleted by Moderators for personal attacks on a certain poster(***** knows who she is). I'll save it for the next time I get hurt by the game.
EDIT: See ya all in about 6 months.
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Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.27 00:05:00 -
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You either need a thick skin when you start playing this game or develop one as you play, it's just one of the facts about this game, and really it's what attracted me to it.
I grew up being very independent and sorting out my own problems, I wasn't the sort to run to someone if I had an accident or got into some trouble, I endured and got on with it, fall off your bike, get up, brush yourself off and get back on the bike, big deal. So this game is much more suited to that way of thinking and being.
Take a few days then think about that guy in the hulk and try to put into perspective, you may well have a bit of a laugh when you do. Internet spaceships is serious bizness after all
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Posted - 2009.09.27 00:08:00 -
[83]
Quote:
EDIT: See ya all in about 6 months.
later
P.S. when does this start?
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Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
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Posted - 2009.09.27 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: Cambarus on 27/09/2009 00:51:34
Join a mission running corp.
There's a specific mission (rogue slave trader 2 of 2) that spawns something like 400k units of omber, and respawns every day so long as the mission isn't handed in. Problem solved.
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The AEther
Caldari
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.09.27 03:14:00 -
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Edited by: The AEther on 27/09/2009 03:15:08
Wow I had to read this twice to believe it.
Dude, you open a private chat with the person who is cutting into your business and try to reason with them, you know, strike a reasonable compromise. If they don't reason you bring guns in or leave for another niche if you are unable to compete.
Alternatively you can come here to GD and make a post about it to entertain us all .. but yeah this post ain't gonna resolve any of your problems. None of us care if you quit.
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Fortunate Star
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Posted - 2009.09.27 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Lotus Sutra
You did the right thing unsubscribing your accounts if something so minor hurts your feelings so much.
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Ukucia
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.09.27 05:10:00 -
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Edited by: Ukucia on 27/09/2009 05:10:17
Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 26/09/2009 16:57:22
Here's how you avoid the whole problem and still get to do some decent mining:
1. Start running missions until you get a decent level 4 agent.
2. Mine the veldspar and scordite that permeates many level 4 missions which nobody will try to steal from you.
3. Watch out for a very special mission called Rogue Slave Trader Part II: downing the slavers.
4. Notice in the first part of the mission there are omber asteroids containing 400,000 units of omber in total. Run the mission, kill everything in the first room but don't go into the second room, mine the 400k omber and then leave the mission as-is until after downtime when the mission will reset and the asteroids respawn.
5. Rinse and repeat for the whole 5 days that the mission is available until it expires and pocket 2 million units of omber.
6. ???
7. Pat yourself on the back for beating the system instead of whining about it.
8. Profit.
9. Realize you're an idiot because you're mining Omber, the least valuable ore in the game.
10. Realize the OP's an idiot who thinks that minerals he mines himself are "free" (they aren't).
11. Go mine something worth more money, like any other ore in the game. Refine it, sell the minerals you don't need and buy the minerals you do.
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Babel
Boom and Bust Economics Ltd.
N0thing To See Here
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Posted - 2009.09.27 11:25:00 -
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Indeed, Eve has many peeps whose remit is to extract grief and tears - you either become one yourself of adapt your actions to avoid them.
Try using a single GSC and a friend with a hauler.
Set up a POS with a corp hangar [quicker turnaround than docking].
... are just a couple of ideas.
Also - coming to GD forums, stating you're annoyed, stating where and how and why you're annoyed is a really bad idea :)
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Esk Esme
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.09.27 11:30:00 -
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to the OP
y limit your self to 1 system
y not place 4-5 cans in a difrent system at a belt each and rotate your mining days at each spot
proper planning and preparation prevents pi55 poor porfamance
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Kaalen
Caldari
Shards of Apathy
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Posted - 2009.09.27 11:30:00 -
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I present two options for you:
1. Train for a better mining ship to compete with other miners.
2. Get a combat ship and MAKE him leave. If you want to stake your claim somewhere, you'd better be ready to defend it.
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Okonaa
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Posted - 2009.09.27 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Trig Onami
Before the guy who says "FIRST, CAN I HAZ YOUR STUFF" says anything.. I'd like to say that I am first, and no.
I'd rather let my measly 150 million worth of assets evaporate with my 20 Giant Secure Containers at Asteroid Belt IV-1, Wirdalen, Metropolis.
These 20 cans are there for me to occasionally mine 78000m3 of ore, without any fear that my cans will be stolen into by pirates who like to come over and target me and ask me to fight them all the time. Since the belt seldomly used, I decided this was a great place to anchor a grid of 20 cans (all 5km apart, 5 x 4 grid) close to the left most side of this belt. so that people who happen to mine at my belt could clean the RIGHT side of the belt if they wish.. and move on to the 6 other belts in the system, leaving me with at least what i need to produce my Small Tractor Beams.
Moving these cans is basically 2 hours of work. I only have a Retriever, and for me the safest way to mine in this system full of harrassing players is the absolute safest way possible. No one can access my stuff.
Today I finished mining 78k m3 of one type of ore I need to produce 22 Tractor Beams. Then I was going to proceed to mine the Omber for the Isogen needed to reduce production Cost by 3 million ISK on 22 units. Some guy in a Hulk with his Orca alt decided to rain on my parade by mining the Omber thats less than 15km away from my cans right after I told him I needed this omber.
There's clearly no argument here as to who is right and wrong. He can mine where ever he wants.. but I have a Retriever, he has a Hulk with more skills and can basically clean out all 8 Omber rocks near my cans in less than half hour. I would only have time to mine 2 in that time period, while the other side of the belt is left untouched, where I suggested he could go while I'm at my cans..
Basically, he is sticking to his "I'm just mining" story and doesn't care about the 12 million m3 of ore in the rest of the system.. Seems he just wants to take what is easily accessible to me. People in the system defend him. He's telling me I'm a noob for mining into Secure cans... from the moment he entered the system, his sights were on the 25 square Km of belt I could mine.
I get mad because this is the 4th time it's happened this week. So I cancelled my subs. Tired of it. Great game, CCP, I deserved to be shunned out, such as what you'll see below this post.
So... CAN I HAZ YOUR STUFF?
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Dani SP
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Posted - 2009.09.27 18:12:00 -
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There are 3 problems here:
1st, you are a noob. You have never wondered about competence and other aspects of this game like time management and opportunity costs. Check your refining and production costs, you would probably make more isk by just selling the minerals or even the raw ore. Not to mention the time and effort.
Why to manufacture Tractor Beams and earn 17mil a week if you can sell raw ore and get instantly 16.5mil? Notice that manufacturing profit is 0.5mil, not 17mil. "mining my own minerals is NOT free" and sometimes its worth to buy from market. Finally think of the time factor, what would you prefer of these? A) to get 100mil now B) to get 120mil at 1st January. In RL I would say "B" but in EVE u can be sure it's far better "A"
2nd, you take everything as personal attacks as it has been revealed on this thread. Nobody likes to been said "you are wrong" but thats a consequence of making a post on the forums whining about things you are very confused with.
3rd, you are not "considerate", sweet irony as opposite of what the title of this thread suggests. More exactly you got a total lack of empathy. A proof of this, you cant understand why someone strip-mines "your" sector of belt and doesn't move to another one... Ehhhhhm lemme check, why should I move this ****** Hulk whose speed is less than 70m/s for... 4 minutes? the lulzzzzz in EVE there's usually multiple individuals aiming for the very same resources and the resolution is called PVP
Originally by: Trig Onami
That Sutra chick is annoying at best, so I'm going to ignore "it".
Thanks for the lovely insight. I did learn something with your post, unlike Sutra's. They're bent on the fact that I said "my belt" when I had clearly meant "The belt I mine at" but whatever floats their boat.. They love trolling.
So you are considerate? The "sutra chick" courtesly explained the fact you are wrong about assuming the belt is yours just because you anchored some GSC. Sutra is true. Whoever that reads this thread understands YOU started the attacks, not she.
About the guy in the Orca he was right aswell. You are a noob because of mining in GSC. Don't worry many of us did it in the past, GSC are there for a reason: help the noob. Once you get into a Hulk they become useless. Even a Retriever doesn't need GSC as you will spend more time/efforts filling them and collecting with Badger, than just flying back and forth.
If you ever start a 2nd account, and assuming you will use it as miner, I bet you will train directly for Retriever as it doesn't require too much time and it's worth. Then you will eventually get tired of mining, some keep mining for 1 year, some 3 months, and others really never flown a miner ship.
But "meh" this is probably a troll so 9/10
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Xing Fey
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Posted - 2009.09.27 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Xing Fey on 27/09/2009 18:39:41
This is an excellent, absolutely exquisite parody of mission salvage whines.
100/10. Especially because all the people whining about "ninjas sappin' mah mission" have rushed to ridicule you...
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Ryhss
Caldari
Sarum A Fortiori
Sanctimony of Bellum
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Posted - 2009.09.27 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Valeronx
Originally by: Trig Onami
people who happen to mine at my belt could clean the RIGHT side of the belt if they wish
And right here is your problem Trig. It's NOT your belt.
Just because you decided to anchor some cans there in no way makes it 'yours'.
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Not what he saId. There was plenty of other roids for the Hulk to mine, the Hulk pilot decided to mine where he was, obviously just to harass him.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.27 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ryhss
There was plenty of other roids for the Hulk to mine, the Hulk pilot decided to mine where he was, obviously just to harass him.
He had probably "claimed" the roids close to the warp-in point, harassing the Hulk by forcing him to travel 50–60k.
Swings both ways…
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Riedle
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Posted - 2009.09.28 12:47:00 -
[96]
mmmm.....
Miner rage...
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Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2009.09.28 14:09:00 -
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There's a lot of asshats that play eve, but trying to claim a section of a belt for yourself is just inviting grief. What you should have done is simply continued training for a Hulk so that you'd have the same level of ability to collect ore. However, you may have made the right choice (of cancelling) if this level of annoyance bothers you that much, because trust me, it gets much worse than having to share ore with other pilots.
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N'baro Dark
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Posted - 2009.09.28 14:25:00 -
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I like to mine occasionally, so I hereby claim ALL belts for my own exclusive use. The rest of you can go fornicate with yourselves!!!!!
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Aargh
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Posted - 2009.09.28 14:55:00 -
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Yesterday my Hulk was destroyed by a gang of 6 players who even refused a ransom, their intention, as stated in their bio, being simply to grief.
If someone stealing your scordite will cause this sort of reaction, then the above posters are right. You do not have what it takes to survive in EVE.
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Tish Magev
Blind Violence
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Posted - 2009.09.28 15:04:00 -
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I'm on the OPs side with this one.
It's not HIS belt no, but there's nothing wrong with asking someone nicely if they wouldn't mind mining further down the field. A reasonable person would think meh why not, I'm not a complete tool after all.
Unfortunately is full of tools and as with most places online general consideration doesn't exist.
None the less I certainly wouldn't let a bunch of stuck up muppets make me quit a game.
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Shirei Fenikkusu
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Posted - 2009.09.28 15:21:00 -
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I understand what everyone has said so far.
The original poster is right, it was inconsiderate of the hulk pilot to come and mine the asteroids, if the OP was already there mining the asteroids and asked the hulk, nicely, to move to another part of the belt. After all, we do the same thing between our corp/alliance mates when ratting or mining out in null-sec.
I agree with many of the replies, that although this is annoying, it is a part of Eve. There will always be people out there that just want to give other players a hard time, whether this is to pirate, grief, or just to weed out the competition. Just because you anchor a can in a belt, doesn't mean you own that belt/system. (At least not until Dominion :P )
So, what can you do about it? Find a new way to mine that would make it easier to move when people butt in. An alternate character is invaluable to the solo miner. Never have to worry about cans again, because you will have one giant can sitting right there that can move with you. That particular alt will only need to be trained to use an industrial or transport ship, leaving you free to train a combat character on the same account.
But what if you don't have the money/isk to pay for another account? Join an established industrial corp that has regular mining operations or at least who offer help hauling. You are going to need one sooner or later, might as well get started early. (I see you did join/create the 'Onami Corporation', but chances are that it is just you in the corp, disregard if I'm wrong.)
Anyway, that's my two cents. If you really do quit, good luck to you in whatever you plan to do instead of Eve. To others who read this, well, take what I said into consideration. Yes, it is just a game, but that is no reason to be inconsiderate.
-Shirei Fenikkusu
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Sanguis Fluibant
Amarr
The Guiding Greg Social and Best Friend Club
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Posted - 2009.09.28 15:25:00 -
[102]
10/10 bravo sir
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Draeklore
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Posted - 2009.09.28 15:40:00 -
[103]
So what you're saying is, you'll play again when your pizza is ready?
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Hijax Class47
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:02:00 -
[104]
Has anyone mentioned wormhole mining? I do it all the time just make sure you have a buddy and there's no pos inside. You get everything you need.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:21:00 -
[105]
EvE is not a game of being nice or considerate. Its cutthroat out there.
You have options other than giving up. Some of them require time and effort. I'll list them in order of 'easy' to 'lunatic'.
1) Do a bit of math. How much would you earn just selling your minerals on the market instead of manufacturing? Calculate this in the number of hours you spend mining that 78000m3 of ore. (Let's assume you're 'okay' skilled in that retriver...you should be able to pull in about 300m3 of ore every minute per strip miner, so about 600m3 a minute) So 78000m3 of ore takes you...Just over two hours. (2 hours, 10 minutes, give or take a bit for missed mining cycles, less than full cycles, travel time) Plus hauling time..So let's call it...3 hours to make the math easier.
22 tractor beams will net you somewhere in the neighborhood of 17-18 million isk after taxes, manufacturing fees, etc. You mined about 500k worth of minerals per unit, and needed to buy the mid and high ends about 350k per unit if you are using buy orders. (I'm using eve-central's median buy order prices here for the prices).
So your total profit out of this is looking to be (being generous) about 10 million isk.
Just selling those minerals (500k per unit) would yield you about 11 million. (And that's not setting up a sell order..that's direct sale (assuming you can get the median price that eve-central is quoting, if you setup a sell order, you can get significantly more)
In effect, you would get more isk out of your operation just selling the minerals off instead of manufacturing.
2) Don't waste your time mining...setup buy orders for the minerals you need. Again assuming you can setup at the median buy prices and actually get them filled in a reasonable time frame, you are spending 850k per unit, profiting about 100k per unit (again, being generous). But you are not spending 3 hours mining. You could be doing something else with that time. (Or, mine as well...use your mining to supplement your buy orders)
3) Harrass the guy. Make it not worth his time to mine there. I suggest a cruiser with a Micro Warp Drive. And bump him off his mining spots out of range of the strip miners. He might just get the message and move to another belt where he can mine efficiently.
4) Declare War. If he's not in a player corporation, skip this one. If he is, why not? Wars have been fought over smaller things (1 cap booster 800 comes to mind). Tell him why the war was declared and he might have a change of heart and stop mining in 'your' belt)
5) Hire professionals. Isk is a wonderful thing. There are plenty of mercenary forces out there and some of them will even be hired on the cheap for things that are easy, especially if they are bored and out of work. Do your research on any prospective mercenaries. As with anything else in this game, there's a chance you will get scammed.
6) Suicide Gank. Get a bunch of friends together in cruisers and destroyers...fly over to the guy and blow his hulk into small pieces. Do it a couple times. He might get the message.
Eve is a game of 'don't get mad/emoragequit..get even'. You might find that satisfying.
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:57:00 -
[106]
Now... I know people outmining u is a pain, and u might think it unfair, but the sooner u learn that eve is not a happy happy hello kitty land MMOG the better.
Eve is a cold harsh universe, live with it or go play something else... I'm not beeing mean, just beeing realistic 
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Sharp Feather
Gallente
POS Builder Inc.
Silent Requiem
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Posted - 2009.09.28 20:53:00 -
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OP, are you STOOPID or something? Got mine somewhere else...DUH... its a MMO not a single player game.
Stoopid is stoopid.
LOGIC & MORE LOGIC
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Shirei Fenikkusu
Knights of the Eternal Flame
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Posted - 2009.09.29 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000
Now... I know people outmining u is a pain, and u might think it unfair, but the sooner u learn that eve is not a happy happy hello kitty land MMOG the better.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the OP wasn't upset because he was being outmined, but that people were taking from the same asteroids he was mining, despite there being more asteroids of the same type not far away.
Originally by: Sharp Feather
OP, are you STOOPID or something? Got mine somewhere else...DUH... its a MMO not a single player game.
Stoopid is stoopid. Shocked
True he could have gone somewhere else to mine, but this happened on 4 separate occasions. Chances are that even if he used my idea to have an alt to haul and could easily move, he would still be put in the same situation with people mining the same roids he was trying to mine.
The OP isn't stupid, just stating the simple truth that there are many inconsiderate people in Eve that think it is fine to do whatever they please just because it is a game.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.29 22:22:00 -
[109]
Hmm. So the guy who 'bagsies' a belt for his own private mining is complaining about someone else being inconsiderate?
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Opportunity Costs
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.30 20:27:00 -
[110]
fly to other belt, your earnings mean other's losses. Naturally they will fight for their interests.
do you get that?
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Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.30 20:35:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Opportunity Costs
fly to other belt, your earnings mean other's losses. Naturally they will fight for their interests.
do you get that?
This post is 2 months old.
do you get that?
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Opportunity Costs
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.09 17:33:00 -
[112]
Im sorry, apparently being considerate is not a crime now. It was 2 months ago, but suddenly the EVE community has suffered a big change in these 60 days...
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Laciter
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Posted - 2009.12.09 18:13:00 -
[113]
He was nipping the competition (you) in the bud. You might seem like a non-threat, but what happens when ten other miners like you come in, then that Hulk pilot is going to have to work that much harder. What happens when you eventually train up your own hulk? By discouraging you from mining belts in that system now while you are weak, he is really just being a smart competitor. Don't take it personally, it's just a game. Alternatively, instead of mining at belts, you could scan down deadspace asteroid fields, or mission runners and mine in their missions, join an industrial corp, find a WH, etc. If your main interest is manufacturing and selling, then you could just buy the minerals off someone else and focus your skills on manufacturing and trade.
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Spurty
Caldari
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.12.09 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Spurty on 09/12/2009 18:20:06
POSTING in an IMPORTANT thread wut wut
Hi everybody.
I once anchored a small bubble. Got very frustrated with people exiting warp at the gate and slamming right into it!
HOW DARE THEY .. So I exploded them for their crimes against my anchored object.
Originally by: Hurley
I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Sekret Kool Klubb
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.12.09 18:28:00 -
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I was going to send you 500m isk for making such a funny post but you have unsubbed so that would just be a waste.
Originally by: Tirus Sinobi
Your response has set your intelligence barrier so low that anything you post from here on that breaches it, will have to be considered posted by somebody else.
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Drenlo Brutor
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Posted - 2009.12.09 18:28:00 -
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Eve really does have one of worst communities of any game. People try to brag it up about how mature the community is but it's not. You just have to accept that or quit playing. There are decent groups of people playing and if you can find one and ignore/kill the rest of the community it's not so bad.
If you don't have really thick skin then EVE probably isn't the game for you.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.12.09 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
I was going to send you 500m isk for making such a funny post but you have unsubbed so that would just be a waste.
So someone actually followed through with their ragequiet threats?
Remarkable
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Alaura Aquila
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.09 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Trig Onami
That Sutra chick is annoying at best, so I'm going to ignore "it".
Sutra is right, and I say the truth hurts. I had people do that to me too, I just jumped from belt to belt until I made enough and had the skills to use a Hulk. Get over it.
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Chae Csee
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2009.12.09 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
4) Declare War. If he's not in a player corporation, skip this one. If he is, why not? Wars have been fought over smaller things (1 cap booster 800 comes to mind). Tell him why the war was declared and he might have a change of heart and stop mining in 'your' belt)
That was my favorite cap booster 800. I was saving it to make some Ultra Quafe S'mores.
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Lord Helghast
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Posted - 2009.12.09 20:04:00 -
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L-M-F-A-O
so rather than train up for a hulk yourself, you quit the game
also i love the fact you quit your "accountS" plural, so in that case you are an idiot, because if u do have more than 1 account why the hell are u secure canning just f*cking train 1 to industrial 3 or 4 and use a jetcan for transfers between the 2 accounts...
serious if you do have more than 1 account your right to get bashed on.
I just find it stupid your whining in local, whining to the pilot, whining on the forum, all because you somehow thing because u drop cans you somehow own that spot on the system
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Raelyf
The Bastards
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Posted - 2009.12.09 20:13:00 -
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Edited by: Raelyf on 09/12/2009 20:21:14
You post should have said
"Need hulk in highsec ganked for being a ****. Will provide destroyers fit up in a safespot (~4mil cost) and pay 10-20mil for service. Mail me in for details."
You would then be welcomed into the folds of C&P as one of our own.
Edit: F - old thread
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Echelon Fatale
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Posted - 2009.12.09 20:26:00 -
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Ohh Good Grief.... Get over it..We emptied the belt just that one time, If we had understood you would quit the game over it I would have given you the entire Orca load we
took from the belt. And Fleeted you up for the mining bonus's... But when you
got smart about it we took the low road and decided to extract it all for the humor of it..
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.09 20:29:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Trig Onami
Then I was going to proceed to mine the Omber for the Isogen needed to reduce production Cost by 3 million ISK on 22 units.
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Daft Monk
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Posted - 2009.12.09 20:46:00 -
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tl;dr post, but i'm just going to say that the fact this sort of thing can happen is what makes EVE stand out for me. The feeling and indeed fact that everyone is in competition about everything, the whole game has a sense of danger, and you gotta keep your wits about you all the time, everywhere.
Everyone has frustrating things happen to them, especially when fairly new, and for me it just made me look at the bastard(s) and go "wow, I wanna be able to do that someday, i wanna be that good"
This sort of stuff adds to the depth of EVE, and the challenge, the story. Some people are just ****s, yeah, but if you're upset because a few other people are *******s, you've lived a sheltered life!
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.09 20:53:00 -
[125]
Holy double necro Batman!
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Major Cannabis
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Posted - 2009.12.09 20:56:00 -
[126]
Yo man, if you haven't figured out yet man, the players run s***t in this game. imagin the real world without the police, there's no holds man, it's a free for all, and anything goes
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Ava Starfire
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Posted - 2009.12.09 22:28:00 -
[127]
Epic necro is epic.
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Major Cannabis
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Posted - 2009.12.10 02:48:00 -
[128]
Yo man, I gots high on some weed one time in jita, and these 2 amattar ships robbed all my isk from my pockets and I didn't complain!
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mergblue
Open Season
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Posted - 2009.12.10 03:27:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Major Cannabis
Yo man, I gots high on some weed one time in jita, and these 2 amattar ships robbed all my isk from my pockets and I didn't complain!
i got drunk woke up in HED in a pod and i swear i didn't log on last night
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Slavemaster
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Posted - 2009.12.10 04:03:00 -
[130]
I like turtels.
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Jeannaqua
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Posted - 2009.12.10 20:09:00 -
[131]
By chance I've seen a neat tactic for dealing with with a Hulk squatting in your face. Assuming you have the skill, I've seen an MWD'd Stabber bounce a Hulk over 100km out of a belt(a Thorax could probably do the same). Now some people are going cry foul and try to petition that. I personally see it as a valid game mechanic. You were willing to share the belt, he squatted on the ore you were working on specifically to get it before you could (competition). You're returning the favor. (again, in the spirit of competition) |
Mantiss
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Posted - 2009.12.10 21:00:00 -
[132]
Couple of things. First, unfortunately for you he also pays a monthly subscription fee to CCP and can pretty much mine wherever he wants.
Second, many players in EVE (or any MMO for that matter) are people who have no power in real life and therefore love to exert virtual power in game life. These are the griefers, smack-talkers, asshatters, and general pains in the ass whose big kick in EVE is mentally masturbating by making someones else's life miserable. Its a rush for them and there's not much you can do about it. However the simplest thing to do is find another belt several jumps from the one you're in and mine there. Keep your ops relatively small and join a high sec corp that can offer you some protection. If someone starts to cause you grief, ignore them and move on. They'll lose interest in you real fast if they can't get a reaction out of you.
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NyteTyger
Gallente
NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.12.10 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jeannaqua
By chance I've seen a neat tactic for dealing with with a Hulk squatting in your face. Assuming you have the skill, I've seen an MWD'd Stabber bounce a Hulk over 100km out of a belt(a Thorax could probably do the same). Now some people are going cry foul and try to petition that. I personally see it as a valid game mechanic. You were willing to share the belt, he squatted on the ore you were working on specifically to get it before you could (competition). You're returning the favor. (again, in the spirit of competition)
Nice, mining PvP, I love this game
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Greg DaimYo
Caldari
Biotronics Inc.
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.12.10 21:19:00 -
[134]
This is madness...
THIS IS CAPITALISM!
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Minchurra
Caldari
League Of Shadows.
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Posted - 2009.12.10 21:21:00 -
[135]
Great thing about this game is that (if you keep your sub ofc) once you get into a hulk, you can do the same thing to other people!
And the balance is restored.
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Tekeran
The Hull Miners Union
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.12.10 22:27:00 -
[136]
First off you got to think like the Hulk pilot. If he wasn't just being an arse then he too needed the omber and you were his competition. He saw your cans and knew that mining the Omber around your cans first would reduce your effectiveness therefore increasing his chances of more Omber in the belt. Pretty solid plan there because without being in range of your cans you would likely give up (and you did).
What you should have done was try to strike a deal with him. See if he needed another type of ore too and maybe you could have worked out a trade. Or you could have offered to buy the Omber from him at a reasonable price.
Throwing a fit and unsubbing only give the Hulk pilot a sense of accomplishment because now his competition in the systems is -1 less.
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Gottii
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.12.10 23:36:00 -
[137]
Mining is PVP, he's not your friend, he's your competition
Fake Edit: Awesome Troll!
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
Maru Ka'ge
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Posted - 2009.12.10 23:40:00 -
[138]
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 10/12/2009 23:44:01
Your troll is accepted good sir.
Originally by: mergblue
Originally by: Major Cannabis
Yo man, I gots high on some weed one time in jita, and these 2 amattar ships robbed all my isk from my pockets and I didn't complain!
i got drunk woke up in HED in a pod and i swear i didn't log on last night
Last time I got drunk I woke up with several mysterious sc****s and bruises and a brand new Cyclone in a Jita hangar.
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Roger Midnight
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.11 00:09:00 -
[139]
It's just as well the OP didn't get the Omber. Even if he won the PvP of mining, he'd face the even crueler PvP of the market.
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Georgi Kuriacin
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.12.11 00:30:00 -
[140]
If someone is mining in a belt already, I pass it by and go to another. I had the opposite situation from the OP happen to me. I was mining in a .6 system with my 2 hulks and an orca. I had positioned myself perfectly to reach all the roids in the belt and had been mining away for about 10 minutes.
Next thing I know, someone in a retriever warps in and says, "Could you move to another belt? I put these cans here so I can mine. There's plenty of other belts you can mine in this system." To which I replied, "It takes a while to get things set up in a new belt and this one was empty when I got here." "FINE!", she replied and starts mining.
I briefly considered mining the same roids as her an popping them before she could get any ore, but, unlike a lot of Eve players, I don't grief noobs for being noobs unless they're really obnoxious about it.
What I did was finish filling up my orca and while it was off unloading in the next system over, I moved my hulks to another belt. I know I didn't have to and it was certainly within my rights to stay, but I was going to be mining for a couple of hours so a few extra minutes didn't matter all that much.
I did, however, come back to that belt every day for the next several days and clean it totally out.
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Gekkoh
Caldari
Rearden Steel Foundry
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Posted - 2009.12.11 00:34:00 -
[141]
In any online game (or really, any scenario where repercussions are limited), people are going to be *******s to each other just because they can. Many people never outgrow that itch to do whatever action is necessary to annoy another person. My teenage daughter does it because it's fun for her, it cures her boredom, and lets her push the envelope of acceptable social boundaries. I'm fairly certain she'll outgrow it, but many people don't have that inner sense of respect for others ingrained in them while they're growing up.
That's the world we live in. So, basically, in any game where the designers don't explicitly disallow such conduct, you'll find such behavior. Yes, it does have a massive negative impact on fun in such games, but there really isn't much one can do about it except to ignore it and move on. At least then the other person doesn't get the validation they're looking for.
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