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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.09.26 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar Mining is PvP, not PvE, with a slight difference:
The one that yields first wins.
not first, but the one that actually yields more ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.09.26 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Abrazzar Mining is PvP, not PvE, with a slight difference:
The one that yields first wins.
not first, but the one that actually yields more
Ok ok, I yield. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Vyktor Abyss
Gallente The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.26 14:10:00 -
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Please give me his name Trig.
Come Monday (when I get my repaired PC back) I will happily declare war on him on your behalf for the inherant lack of good manners.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.09.26 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Trig Onami Then I was going to proceed to mine the Omber for the Isogen needed to reduce production Cost by 3 million ISK on 22 units.
Someone please suicide gank the OP.
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Korizan
Red Mercury Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.09.26 14:43:00 -
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Your story is far from being new, most miners will have stories of people mining the belt they were in or getting suicided.
Several years ago when I was first starting off I had the same thing happen to me when I was using a hauler and not using secure cans.
A group of miners came in a proceeded to wipe out the system I was mining in. Basically all you can do is move on.
I was also suicided that same year 4 cruisers to take out a single retriever.
And I have been can flipped as well that year, stole it back and lost a frigate in the process but oh well.
The point being is if you have 2 accounts use one to haul and @ least then you can move to the next belt with little hassle. And as I posted above that won't be your only problems you will run into as a miner.
Not to be harsh but you can either learn to deal with the Issues when they show up or find a new profession. Oh welcome to mining, I hope you find what you you are looking for.
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.26 15:38:00 -
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Problem analysis complete: * OP found out that he's not playing a solo game. * OP finally realised that putting cans in a belt - though a useful tactic - does not result in actual ownership of any part of a belt.
If EVE - with its competitive sandbox style of gaming (which includes people sometimes not behaving according to your wishes) - does not fit OPs gaming preferences then OP was right to cancel accounts. The whole whining about it thread is a bit pointless though.
What makes EVE great is the challenges it provides. And other players provide much better challenges then any NPC engine ever could.
--- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOSER EVE TV- Bring it back! Laptop, NVidia7900GS, Ubuntu 8.04, WINE |
De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.09.26 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba I'm going to assume you were vocal about it in local. Bad mistake in a game filled with people who get a rush from the simplest forms of arsehattery especially if they know they have a live one to play with.
Advice for others in the same situation. Don't smack in local and don't react to greifers. If someone is trying to mine 'your' patch of ore then let them as nothing you can do will stop them from doing it. Take the hit to your yield and go mine in another belt. Then if he comes into the new belt you are in and starts to mine the ore you are mining and there is plenty left elsewhere you can file a petition for harrasment and get him a warning. They tend to go away and leave you alone after that.
My favorite tactic is to actively short cycle my mining lasers on the same rocks they're mining. Especially if the rock is about to pop.
"She who's laser cycle stops first gets the ore." --Vel
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2009.09.26 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 26/09/2009 16:57:22 Here's how you avoid the whole problem and still get to do some decent mining:
1. Start running missions until you get a decent level 4 agent. 2. Mine the veldspar and scordite that permeates many level 4 missions which nobody will try to steal from you. 3. Watch out for a very special mission called Rogue Slave Trader Part II: downing the slavers. 4. Notice in the first part of the mission there are omber asteroids containing 400,000 units of omber in total. Run the mission, kill everything in the first room but don't go into the second room, mine the 400k omber and then leave the mission as-is until after downtime when the mission will reset and the asteroids respawn. 5. Rinse and repeat for the whole 5 days that the mission is available until it expires and pocket 2 million units of omber. 6. ??? 7. Pat yourself on the back for beating the system instead of whining about it. 8. Profit.
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Saartje Sarel
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Posted - 2009.09.26 17:23:00 -
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Eve is not a single player game. QED.
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Juwi Kotch
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Posted - 2009.09.26 17:28:00 -
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In EVE one cannot rely or count on people being nice, just the contrary. EVE is full of sociopaths whos greatest satisfaction is to ruin the fun of others. So never make it known, that you care about something, especially not in local. This works for all those griefers out there like cow dung on flies, they are irresistibly attracted by it.
The only thing one can do is to grow balls, learn to fight, and kill them like the dung eating flies they are.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.26 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Trig Onami Then I was going to proceed to mine the Omber for the Isogen needed to reduce production Cost by 3 million ISK on 22 units.
Someone please suicide gank the OP.
Just to clarify this for the OP (on the very slight off chance that it isn't a troll): you do not reduce the production cost by mining the Omber yourself. All you're doing is paying the exact same cost in ore, rather than in ISK.
In fact, you're probably losing money doing it that way. What you should be doing is mine something that's actually worth a bit, sell that crap (or rather the minerals), and use the money to buy the Iso you want on buy orders. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Marcus Atntony
The Element Syndicate Black Mesa Project
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Posted - 2009.09.26 18:07:00 -
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Trig, please don't lump all the players of eve together into one group, or quite a game you enjoy just because of some asshats.
Best solution to your problems that i can think of; go join a good mid size industrial corp... like ours (really mean that too, mail me ingame) :D good times, mining ops, help ect. It really does help the game alot I find to be with a good active corp.
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Laruant Wiggins
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.26 18:09:00 -
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I'm going to assume this is not a troll post.
How close where your cans to the warp-in point? Hulks are slow. You just meet the other regional tractor beam producer. You reponded to the first occurence, which made you a target for lol's. (according to your post you did it in local which attracted even more people to target you)
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Ki'rin Talloth
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Posted - 2009.09.26 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Just to clarify this for the OP: you do not reduce the production cost by mining the Omber yourself. All you're doing is paying the exact same cost in ore, rather than in ISK.
*shakes head* Good god, not again...
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.26 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ki'rin Talloth
Originally by: Tippia Just to clarify this for the OP: you do not reduce the production cost by mining the Omber yourself. All you're doing is paying the exact same cost in ore, rather than in ISK.
*shakes head* Good god, not again...
Always! ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.09.26 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Trig Onami Before the guy who says "FIRST, CAN I HAZ YOUR STUFF" says anything.. I'd like to say that I am first, and no.
I'd rather let my measly 150 million worth of assets evaporate with my 20 Giant Secure Containers at Asteroid Belt IV-1, Wirdalen, Metropolis.
These 20 cans are there for me to occasionally mine 78000m3 of ore, without any fear that my cans will be stolen into by pirates who like to come over and target me and ask me to fight them all the time. Since the belt seldomly used, I decided this was a great place to anchor a grid of 20 cans (all 5km apart, 5 x 4 grid) close to the left most side of this belt. so that people who happen to mine at my belt could clean the RIGHT side of the belt if they wish.. and move on to the 6 other belts in the system, leaving me with at least what i need to produce my Small Tractor Beams.
Moving these cans is basically 2 hours of work. I only have a Retriever, and for me the safest way to mine in this system full of harrassing players is the absolute safest way possible. No one can access my stuff.
Today I finished mining 78k m3 of one type of ore I need to produce 22 Tractor Beams. Then I was going to proceed to mine the Omber for the Isogen needed to reduce production Cost by 3 million ISK on 22 units. Some guy in a Hulk with his Orca alt decided to rain on my parade by mining the Omber thats less than 15km away from my cans right after I told him I needed this omber.
There's clearly no argument here as to who is right and wrong. He can mine where ever he wants.. but I have a Retriever, he has a Hulk with more skills and can basically clean out all 8 Omber rocks near my cans in less than half hour. I would only have time to mine 2 in that time period, while the other side of the belt is left untouched, where I suggested he could go while I'm at my cans..
Basically, he is sticking to his "I'm just mining" story and doesn't care about the 12 million m3 of ore in the rest of the system.. Seems he just wants to take what is easily accessible to me. People in the system defend him. He's telling me I'm a noob for mining into Secure cans... from the moment he entered the system, his sights were on the 25 square Km of belt I could mine.
I get mad because this is the 4th time it's happened this week. So I cancelled my subs. Tired of it. Great game, CCP, I deserved to be shunned out, such as what you'll see below this post.
You are either a troll ( a good one ) or you deserve to be :
Humiliated Insulted Laughed at etc.. All for your own good .
Poor child was interrupted in the belt so it quited ... how do you cope with RL ?
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Jerreye
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Posted - 2009.09.26 19:15:00 -
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People online are what they're not in real life. The nice, shy, considerate guy that helps gramps carry his groceries is the dumbest ***** imaginable when he's anonymous five thousand miles away from whoever he's interacting with and will jump at the first opportunity to act like an obnoxious ******* on a public forum.
Reminding myself 99 out of 100 of these people are fatties works for me.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.09.26 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ki'rin Talloth
Originally by: Tippia Just to clarify this for the OP: you do not reduce the production cost by mining the Omber yourself. All you're doing is paying the exact same cost in ore, rather than in ISK.
*shakes head* Good god, not again...
I know! The nerve of using Logic in this thread of all places!
That common sense can sure be a ***** to troll against can't it. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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RamsesNeverDances
Minmatar OPEN SPACE ASTRO - INDUSTRIES Silent Requiem
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Posted - 2009.09.26 20:07:00 -
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Ive got a few can farms set up that i frequently use. My only tip is to mine valuable scarce ore first. Golden/Silver Omber vanishes rapidly so get that in your can before you even contempate harvesting any Veldspar.
I often mine in different systems too (just for a change of pace and a different background to look at) and whenever i get to a belt thats obviously set for farming i start at the side furthest from the cans as a courtesy, if no one shows up whilst im stripping that side of the field then i'll happily clear the rest and leave nothing behind.
If someone comes into one of the belts i consider to be MINE, then i openly discuss it and ask if they want a fleet boost as incentive to work with me rather than pester, that way everyone gets the most ore they can in the shortest period of time. More often than not this works out well for all involved and gives you someone outside of local to talk to.
I learned early on that there are ******* miners who have no iterest in working together which is fine too, but there are ways to foil them. 1: Skill up and gear up to outstrip the field before they can. 2: Equip a scanner to allow you to hop and seriously upset the competition.
Roid hopping as i call it (theres more likely another term for this asshattery but i dont know it) is fun and infuriating, i scan a belt and start mining. Once a roid im working on has less than a cycle left i hop to another deposit and do the same ther. I know full well most miners rely on their overview to find ore over a scanner, so they see a belt thats rich in minerals whilst i know the belt is full of 1/2 ~ 1/4 cycle roids. Strippers and lazers dont autoquit till they complete a cycle and realise theres no more ore, so its taken them a full cycle worth of time to get maybe a quarters worth of ore. It adds up eventualy to a massive amount of time wasted, whilst i get to drain the belt dry :D Cruel but highly amusing seeing people rage hard complaining that people should finish their roidz before moving on to another.
Mining already takes way too long as it is without spending even more tme doing absoloutly nothing, eventualy they emoquit and warp iut leavng you to your own devices.
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Blackk Ops
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Posted - 2009.09.26 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Blackk Ops on 26/09/2009 20:23:41 Edited by: Blackk Ops on 26/09/2009 20:23:19
Originally by: Trig Onami Before the guy who says "FIRST, CAN I HAZ YOUR STUFF" says anything.. I'd like to say that I am first, and no.
I'd rather let my measly 150 million worth of assets evaporate with my 20 Giant Secure Containers at Asteroid Belt IV-1, Wirdalen, Metropolis.
These 20 cans are there for me to occasionally mine 78000m3 of ore, without any fear that my cans will be stolen into by pirates who like to come over and target me and ask me to fight them all the time. Since the belt seldomly used, I decided this was a great place to anchor a grid of 20 cans (all 5km apart, 5 x 4 grid) close to the left most side of this belt. so that people who happen to mine at my belt could clean the RIGHT side of the belt if they wish.. and move on to the 6 other belts in the system, leaving me with at least what i need to produce my Small Tractor Beams.
Moving these cans is basically 2 hours of work. I only have a Retriever, and for me the safest way to mine in this system full of harrassing players is the absolute safest way possible. No one can access my stuff.
Today I finished mining 78k m3 of one type of ore I need to produce 22 Tractor Beams. Then I was going to proceed to mine the Omber for the Isogen needed to reduce production Cost by 3 million ISK on 22 units. Some guy in a Hulk with his Orca alt decided to rain on my parade by mining the Omber thats less than 15km away from my cans right after I told him I needed this omber.
There's clearly no argument here as to who is right and wrong. He can mine where ever he wants.. but I have a Retriever, he has a Hulk with more skills and can basically clean out all 8 Omber rocks near my cans in less than half hour. I would only have time to mine 2 in that time period, while the other side of the belt is left untouched, where I suggested he could go while I'm at my cans..
Basically, he is sticking to his "I'm just mining" story and doesn't care about the 12 million m3 of ore in the rest of the system.. Seems he just wants to take what is easily accessible to me. People in the system defend him. He's telling me I'm a noob for mining into Secure cans... from the moment he entered the system, his sights were on the 25 square Km of belt I could mine.
I get mad because this is the 4th time it's happened this week. So I cancelled my subs. Tired of it. Great game, CCP, I deserved to be shunned out, such as what you'll see below this post.
Thing is, in this game, you get to kill the people who annoy you. If you get faced like that, and just shuffle over and move along, this person(and his friends probably) will make it their business to harass you wherever you mine. It's bully behavior. only way to stop it(in eve and in life) is to stop the bully. sack up, catch his punk ass in low sec and pod the mother****er. Don't forget to jettison his corpse in front of his corp's HQ
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Trig Onami
Caldari Onami Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.27 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: Trig Onami on 27/09/2009 00:02:35 Not sure where you guys get the Trolling definition from. Thanks for all the help from those who provided constructive feedback. I appreciate it.
I had a real long speech but it got deleted by Moderators for personal attacks on a certain poster(***** knows who she is). I'll save it for the next time I get hurt by the game.
EDIT: See ya all in about 6 months.
EVE. The most ambitious project on earth. |
Serge Bastana
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.27 00:05:00 -
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You either need a thick skin when you start playing this game or develop one as you play, it's just one of the facts about this game, and really it's what attracted me to it.
I grew up being very independent and sorting out my own problems, I wasn't the sort to run to someone if I had an accident or got into some trouble, I endured and got on with it, fall off your bike, get up, brush yourself off and get back on the bike, big deal. So this game is much more suited to that way of thinking and being.
Take a few days then think about that guy in the hulk and try to put into perspective, you may well have a bit of a laugh when you do. Internet spaceships is serious bizness after all ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag.
Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited! |
Karlie Thorm
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Posted - 2009.09.27 00:08:00 -
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Quote: EDIT: See ya all in about 6 months.
later
P.S. when does this start?
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Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
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Posted - 2009.09.27 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: Cambarus on 27/09/2009 00:51:34 Join a mission running corp. There's a specific mission (rogue slave trader 2 of 2) that spawns something like 400k units of omber, and respawns every day so long as the mission isn't handed in. Problem solved.
EDIT: and jetcan mining is viable since it's not at a belt :P |
The AEther
Caldari Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.09.27 03:14:00 -
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Edited by: The AEther on 27/09/2009 03:15:08
Wow I had to read this twice to believe it.
Dude, you open a private chat with the person who is cutting into your business and try to reason with them, you know, strike a reasonable compromise. If they don't reason you bring guns in or leave for another niche if you are unable to compete.
Alternatively you can come here to GD and make a post about it to entertain us all .. but yeah this post ain't gonna resolve any of your problems. None of us care if you quit.
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Fortunate Star
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Posted - 2009.09.27 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Lotus Sutra
You did the right thing unsubscribing your accounts if something so minor hurts your feelings so much.
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Ukucia
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.09.27 05:10:00 -
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Edited by: Ukucia on 27/09/2009 05:10:17
Originally by: Arthur Frayn Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 26/09/2009 16:57:22 Here's how you avoid the whole problem and still get to do some decent mining:
1. Start running missions until you get a decent level 4 agent. 2. Mine the veldspar and scordite that permeates many level 4 missions which nobody will try to steal from you. 3. Watch out for a very special mission called Rogue Slave Trader Part II: downing the slavers. 4. Notice in the first part of the mission there are omber asteroids containing 400,000 units of omber in total. Run the mission, kill everything in the first room but don't go into the second room, mine the 400k omber and then leave the mission as-is until after downtime when the mission will reset and the asteroids respawn. 5. Rinse and repeat for the whole 5 days that the mission is available until it expires and pocket 2 million units of omber. 6. ??? 7. Pat yourself on the back for beating the system instead of whining about it. 8. Profit.
9. Realize you're an idiot because you're mining Omber, the least valuable ore in the game. 10. Realize the OP's an idiot who thinks that minerals he mines himself are "free" (they aren't). 11. Go mine something worth more money, like any other ore in the game. Refine it, sell the minerals you don't need and buy the minerals you do.
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Babel
Boom and Bust Economics Ltd. N0thing To See Here
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Posted - 2009.09.27 11:25:00 -
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Indeed, Eve has many peeps whose remit is to extract grief and tears - you either become one yourself of adapt your actions to avoid them.
Try using a single GSC and a friend with a hauler.
Set up a POS with a corp hangar [quicker turnaround than docking].
... are just a couple of ideas.
Also - coming to GD forums, stating you're annoyed, stating where and how and why you're annoyed is a really bad idea :) . "Out of the good of evil born, Came Uriel's voice of cherub scorn" |
Esk Esme
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.09.27 11:30:00 -
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to the OP
y limit your self to 1 system
y not place 4-5 cans in a difrent system at a belt each and rotate your mining days at each spot
proper planning and preparation prevents pi55 poor porfamance
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Kaalen
Caldari Shards of Apathy
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Posted - 2009.09.27 11:30:00 -
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I present two options for you:
1. Train for a better mining ship to compete with other miners. 2. Get a combat ship and MAKE him leave. If you want to stake your claim somewhere, you'd better be ready to defend it.
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