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Trustworthy Joe	Posted - 2009.09.29 00:15:00 - [31] Quote: Why don't we see more Gallente recons? becaused they are cloaked. want a sig? thats great! post it in response to my posts!
Don Pellegrino	Posted - 2009.09.29 01:55:00 - [32] The Arazu is not a bad ship, but it truly sucks compared to the other recons out there. The Lachesis is actually okay-ish if you put a mean tank in the mids, magstabs in the lows and blasters in the highs. [Lachesis, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Medium Shield Extender II Warp Scrambler II Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Valkyrie II x4 400 dps, 53k EHP, 125 dps passive tank Originally by: El Mauru I don't really know what you guys are smoking- but Arazus are probably the most popular recons right now for blackopsing and roaming gangs. Seeing more of them than falcons these days actually. Blarazu = win. oh and this is truly funny.
Vyktrr	Posted - 2009.09.29 01:59:00 - [33] I used to fly an Arazu when roaming with The Church on my old charachter Abdullahahmed, and I loved the ship. It doesn't need tank to be effective when you have an efficient group. I rigged mine for damps, and fitted a MWD, 3 Damps and 2 Disruptors (this was before scram changes). The Ability to scram out to 40-50km is fantastic, and with a MWD, you can get some distance. With rigs and 3x damps, you can switchn the scripts for targetting range, and with a bit of fiddling around, make anything that decides to get on top of you pretty useless, atleast for long enough to get some help dealing with them. The Drones give you a little bit of DPS to add to a fight, and you can also scout, and pop the pods for your side. I even had the job to damp and point a carrier down solo while my fleet wiped the system of enemy support, without tank. Worked wonderfully. (Try locking an arazu at 30k with 3x targetting range damps on you). Great ship the Arazu.
Jesslyn Daggererux Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.09.29 04:08:00 - [34] but it could stand to be a little better. just because its not garbage doesnt mean it does its job as well as it should. Originally by: CCP Fallout Hola, esta forum es ingles solamente. This forum is English only. Welcome to my lock. Now please, zip your pants. I don't need a show.
King Rothgar Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.09.29 04:36:00 - [35] The gallante recons are extremely valuable to pirates in mission busting. It is not uncommon to find the missioner 45km away from the warp in and so that ultra long range point is often the difference between a successful ransom and watching the guy laugh and warp off. That said I think that maybe their only use. As said, it's secondary EW is a bit underpowered so it's tough to solo with it. So few people will train for one just to help in busting missions. -----------------------------------------------------
Liang Nuren The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.09.29 05:08:00 - [36] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 29/09/2009 05:10:40 Originally by: King Rothgar The gallante recons are extremely valuable to pirates in mission busting. It is not uncommon to find the missioner 45km away from the warp in and so that ultra long range point is often the difference between a successful ransom and watching the guy laugh and warp off. That said I think that maybe their only use. As said, it's secondary EW is a bit underpowered so it's tough to solo with it. So few people will train for one just to help in busting missions. It's not TERRIBLY hard to get a 45km point out of a Stiletto. -Liang Ed: And yes, said Stiletto is cheaper than an Arazu. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Alekanderu GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.09.29 07:19:00 - [37] arazu/lach have their niche role right now and are in fact two of the better gallente ships (given that gallente is by far the worst race) since they at least perform a somewhat unique role, namely long range scramming with a decent shield tank that said, ccp needs to fix damps bad, it's completely beyond me how they don't see that damps are totally useless right now
Dracoknight Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.29 07:36:00 - [38] The Azaru can be good, but as every ship in EvE it have situations. With the Az you can force long range pilots to go in close and thereby forcing them to get rid of their range tank, and thus set themselves in danger. The other one is by combining your effort with a Caldari Recon, putting on scan res scripts and make people take ages to re-lock and thus allowing the ECM ship to just break the lock of multiply ships and then increase their locking time to a lot more. Think of this situation: your ECM can only take out 1 BS and you are up against 3 the ECM break the lock of one of the BSes and you dampen his lock time, then the ECM pilot can throw off a ECM cycle against the other BS... Or you can combine the Damps with ECM drones, if you get a lucky jam, script your damps to scan res and look at the pilot cry. ____________________ I wish my Thorax could use missiles...
wallenbergaren	Posted - 2009.09.29 07:36:00 - [39] Originally by: Liang Nuren It's not TERRIBLY hard to get a 45km point out of a Stiletto. -Liang Ed: And yes, said Stiletto is cheaper than an Arazu. The point isn't though Last time I checked they were about the same
SuperNova221	Posted - 2009.09.29 07:46:00 - [40] Because of cov ops cloak
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.09.29 08:42:00 - [41] Edited by: Gypsio III on 29/09/2009 08:42:26 Originally by: wallenbergaren Originally by: Liang Nuren It's not TERRIBLY hard to get a 45km point out of a Stiletto. -Liang Ed: And yes, said Stiletto is cheaper than an Arazu. The point isn't though Last time I checked they were about the same If that Stiletto could probe and covops-cloak, this might mean something. Arazu is a bloody great ship... in the right situations.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.09.29 09:09:00 - [42] Originally by: Alex Harumichi Originally by: Caius Severus I don't fly lachesis all that much because the arazu does pretty much the same thing but can warp cloaked. Well, depends. I actually prefer the Lach in many cases, because of a) superior sensor res b) one more midslot Of course, everything depends on what you want to do and where you want to do it. ...and yes, the damp bonus is mostly a joke. Rook gets a 100% bonus to ECM strength (with ECM being by far the most powerful form of ewar in the game). And it gets an ECM range bonus. And it gets a cap use bonus. Lach/Arazu get a +25% damp strength bonus, total (and damps are well below ECM in general power, to boot). No range bonus, no nothing. It's sad. The Gallante EW ships are so overdue a boost it's not funny any more.
kessah Anonymous Alcoholics Wrath.	Posted - 2009.09.29 09:15:00 - [43] Best anti Vagabond ship in creation. I think the Arazu is an awesome ship in small gang pvp. Myself and 2 others used to roam 0.0 in an Ishtar, Rook and Arazu. Probably the most dangerous threesome ive ever been in. We rocked up about 20 battleship kills in 3 days with 0 losses, before eventually getting constantly hotdropped Use warp scramblers on them. Id say its the one time a faction Scrambler is warranted. 25.2km Range on the Dominations and they will set you back about 50m -Money well spent.
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2009.09.29 13:13:00 - [44] based on our experiences lowsec pirating i would say the arazu is hands down the best mission tackler in existance. long range points for off warpin kiters, enough tank to survive having drones sicced on it until the rest of the gang gets in and decent probing ability to find them in the first place. PVP wise i just have three words, 27km warp scrambler. Makes any ship relying on mwd to close distance cry like a little baby.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.29 15:10:00 - [45] Originally by: Mire Stoude Edited by: Mire Stoude on 28/09/2009 23:53:22 I shield tanked my Arazu for lowsec gate tanking/tackling... but I just feel dirty flying it. I liked my scram lach (it can do some pretty decent DPS). But as others have said, they are paper thin. 33k EHP is paper thin now? --
Vyktrr Amarr The Shadow's Of Eve TSOE Consortium	Posted - 2009.09.29 16:34:00 - [46] Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Mire Stoude Edited by: Mire Stoude on 28/09/2009 23:53:22 I shield tanked my Arazu for lowsec gate tanking/tackling... but I just feel dirty flying it. I liked my scram lach (it can do some pretty decent DPS). But as others have said, they are paper thin. 33k EHP is paper thin now? This, You can easily rip out 3 damps and put in 2 LSE IIs, and an Invul II, and you have a longer-living 'Razu that's better suited to 20k+ scrams. Personally, I'd take 2x Arazus, 1 with 3x Damps and 2x Points, As well as a team-mate with a buffer and scrams. Teamed up with some Frigs/Inties and HACs, works great.
El Mauru Amarr Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.29 17:11:00 - [47] Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Mire Stoude Edited by: Mire Stoude on 28/09/2009 23:53:22 I shield tanked my Arazu for lowsec gate tanking/tackling... but I just feel dirty flying it. I liked my scram lach (it can do some pretty decent DPS). But as others have said, they are paper thin. 33k EHP is paper thin now? SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHT- nothing to see here- move along. *Puts up police tape -
Liang Nuren The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.09.29 17:31:00 - [48] Originally by: El Mauru SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHT- nothing to see here- move along. Puts up police tape Anything can be made to work man - even lolicoses. It's not like the Arazu is within shouting distance of being overpowered. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum **** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Alex Zander505 Amarr Loyal Order Of Bacchus	Posted - 2009.09.30 00:52:00 - [49] you can actually fit a pretty good shield passive/buffer tank on a lachesis. try it sometime - u'll be surprised
Hex'Caliber Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.30 10:41:00 - [50] Edited by: Hex''Caliber on 30/09/2009 10:44:06 Why fit with a sub standard shield tank and mediocre blaster dmg just for the sake of flying it? Even fully skilled it does not have the cap to shield tank effectively when you try and add in, MWD, scram AND cap draining blasters too. Yes, you can make it work after a fashion, but it is a pointless exercise trying to turn it into some sort of substandard blaster boat. Any number of ships will do that job better, hell I could throw up a t1 hull and fit that would tank better and do more dmg. Fly a hack if you want dmg from a T2 cruiser hull; Ishtar, mwd, real tank in the lows, scram, web, nos/neut, would rip the comedy shield/blaster fit a new one; or even a fly deimos and let an intÆy pilot lockdown for you. Fit for ewar if you want to fly one, damps are pants atm but they are what they are, and what you get a bonus for, this is my cap stable Arazu fit, note I carry a cyno in cargo should the gang need one. 3 X 250mm T2 rails with Fed navy lead Covops Cloak 4 X Phased Muon Damps True Sansha Warp scram YT8 MWD T2 Damage control 3 X T2 Cap power relay 4 x T2 Hammerheads. Alternatively, use ECM drones if your gang has a lot of dps Inverted Signal field projector Rig Targeting systems stabiliser rig And when I say cap stable, I mean I can perma run damps, scram, DC, mwd and rails (using lead is important here). Regards HexCaliber Man kinds greatest Strength and greatest weakness is HOPE
Wacktopia Infinity Miners Union Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr	Posted - 2009.09.30 11:52:00 - [51] I cannot fly one but the Lachesis seems to suit a particular role within a gang. Two T2 Damps with Targeting Range should be enough to push most ships' max target range down to 20km or so. If not whack a third one on there. A t2 warp disruptor will have a range of 40km or so on this ship also. Clearly, in a gang you would probably want a ceptor pilot to tackle and allow the Lachesis to stay at a high orbit. Like any ewar, you will probably be taken out early in a gang fight but in the right situation you will be invaluable. A solo Lachesis is never going to work.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.30 13:41:00 - [52] Originally by: Hex'Caliber Edited by: Hex''Caliber on 30/09/2009 11:24:12 Why fit with a sub standard shield tank and mediocre blaster dmg just for the sake of flying it? Even fully skilled it does not have the cap to shield tank effectively when you try and add in, MWD, scram AND cap draining blasters too. Yes, you can make it work after a fashion, but it is a pointless exercise trying to turn it into some sort of substandard blaster boat. Any number of ships will do that job better, hell I could throw up a t1 hull and fit that would tank better and do more dmg. Fly a hack if you want dmg from a T2 cruiser hull; Ishtar, mwd, real tank in the lows, scram, web, nos/neut, would rip the comedy shield/blaster fit a new one; or even a fly deimos and let an intÆy pilot lockdown for you. Fit for ewar if you want to fly one, damps are pants atm but they are what they are, and what you get a bonus for, this is my cap stable Arazu fit, note I carry a cyno in cargo should the gang need one. 3 X 250mm T2 rails with Fed navy lead Covops Cloak 4 X Phased Muon Damps True Sansha Warp scram YT8 MWD T2 Damage control 3 X T2 Cap power relay 4 x T2 Hammerheads. Alternatively, use ECM drones if your gang has a lot of dps Inverted Signal field projector Rig Targeting systems stabiliser rig And when I say cap stable, I mean I can perma run damps, scram, DC, mwd and rails (using lead or similar ammo is important here). Name another blaster ship that can sport easily a 25km scram, AND warp cloaked. --
Darth Felin	Posted - 2009.09.30 14:18:00 - [53] Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Hex'Caliber Edited by: Hex''Caliber on 30/09/2009 11:24:12 Why fit with a sub standard shield tank and mediocre blaster dmg just for the sake of flying it? Even fully skilled it does not have the cap to shield tank effectively when you try and add in, MWD, scram AND cap draining blasters too. Yes, you can make it work after a fashion, but it is a pointless exercise trying to turn it into some sort of substandard blaster boat. Any number of ships will do that job better, hell I could throw up a t1 hull and fit that would tank better and do more dmg. Fly a hack if you want dmg from a T2 cruiser hull; Ishtar, mwd, real tank in the lows, scram, web, nos/neut, would rip the comedy shield/blaster fit a new one; or even a fly deimos and let an intÆy pilot lockdown for you. Fit for ewar if you want to fly one, damps are pants atm but they are what they are, and what you get a bonus for, this is my cap stable Arazu fit, note I carry a cyno in cargo should the gang need one. 3 X 250mm T2 rails with Fed navy lead Covops Cloak 4 X Phased Muon Damps True Sansha Warp scram YT8 MWD T2 Damage control 3 X T2 Cap power relay 4 x T2 Hammerheads. Alternatively, use ECM drones if your gang has a lot of dps Inverted Signal field projector Rig Targeting systems stabiliser rig And when I say cap stable, I mean I can perma run damps, scram, DC, mwd and rails (using lead or similar ammo is important here). Name another blaster ship that can sport easily a 25km scram, AND warp cloaked. Proteus? And it make it much better than blarazu
Manu Hermanus FaDoyToy	Posted - 2009.09.30 14:26:00 - [54] Originally by: XFreedomX Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega They can't even pop frigates like a rapier. Also the split weapons on the lachesis is horrid. Huggin has split weapon system also. Scram reduce speed more then web. 7 mid slot allow gallente recon to fit webs/scram and tank. not when they have an afterburner fit the one use for damps I can think of is for ganking solo targets. the almost 60km (overloaded) point is especially nice when busting in a deadspace (and the cloaky warping bit) and don't know how far away they will be. although I guess there is always the chance they are on the warp in and you get owned. (or stabbed) although I do like the pilgrim for this, shut their tank down too. You're posting again!? Has it really been 5 mins?
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.30 14:44:00 - [55] Originally by: Darth Felin Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Hex'Caliber Edited by: Hex''Caliber on 30/09/2009 11:24:12 Why fit with a sub standard shield tank and mediocre blaster dmg just for the sake of flying it? Even fully skilled it does not have the cap to shield tank effectively when you try and add in, MWD, scram AND cap draining blasters too. Yes, you can make it work after a fashion, but it is a pointless exercise trying to turn it into some sort of substandard blaster boat. Any number of ships will do that job better, hell I could throw up a t1 hull and fit that would tank better and do more dmg. Fly a hack if you want dmg from a T2 cruiser hull; Ishtar, mwd, real tank in the lows, scram, web, nos/neut, would rip the comedy shield/blaster fit a new one; or even a fly deimos and let an intÆy pilot lockdown for you. Fit for ewar if you want to fly one, damps are pants atm but they are what they are, and what you get a bonus for, this is my cap stable Arazu fit, note I carry a cyno in cargo should the gang need one. 3 X 250mm T2 rails with Fed navy lead Covops Cloak 4 X Phased Muon Damps True Sansha Warp scram YT8 MWD T2 Damage control 3 X T2 Cap power relay 4 x T2 Hammerheads. Alternatively, use ECM drones if your gang has a lot of dps Inverted Signal field projector Rig Targeting systems stabiliser rig And when I say cap stable, I mean I can perma run damps, scram, DC, mwd and rails (using lead or similar ammo is important here). Name another blaster ship that can sport easily a 25km scram, AND warp cloaked. Proteus? And it make it much better than blarazu Go away troll. Not everyone runs around in a Proteus. --
Grytok Evoke. Ev0ke	Posted - 2009.09.30 17:14:00 - [56] I've flown Baster-Raazus long before the Warp Scrams got changed and yes, sometimes you can surprise a poor sod, this doesn't make the Arazu a better ship tho. If you fly around solo and try to kill a solo-HAC, you'll loose 9 out of ten times, even against a Vexor or Ruptore you'll see no light, as they dish out the same amount or more damage then you do, and they have simply more hitpoints or an active tank that'll last long enough to kill you. The Arazu and Lachesis are good for gangs tho, as they can disrupt and scramble multiple targets at very good ranges. That's what you use them for... to apply points to multiple targets.
Dasalt Istgut	Posted - 2009.09.30 17:36:00 - [57] Use named shield mods if you can't fit this grid-wise. Its absolutely fine btw. Its job isn't to damp because a single blackbird is more effective than a damp ship (why damp when you can just jam?). Its job is to point, point out to long ranges and take some damage while doing so. Blarazu is also great for solo PVP. [Arazu, Rails] Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Signal Amplifier II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Domination Warp Disruptor Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x5 Warrior II x3
Borasatar	Posted - 2009.09.30 18:02:00 - [58] The fit I fly is very similar to yours ^^ and has worked great. About the only diff for me is that I'm always in a gang so I carry ECM Vespas or a split of Warrior2s and Light Armor Bots.
slightly sillydude	Posted - 2009.09.30 23:02:00 - [59] its primary E-war should have a bigger bonus, maybe 30%. Its secondary should be better as well but you have to be careful with damps or they could get real OP, as there is no real defense against them. On top of that it really only works terribly well in conjunction with a Rapier, but those two together are some pretty long range tackle.
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.10.01 07:05:00 - [60] Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 01/10/2009 07:08:12 Originally by: slightly sillydude its primary E-war should have a bigger bonus, maybe 30%. Its secondary should be better as well but you have to be careful with damps or they could get real OP, as there is no real defense against them. ...unless you count, you know, stuff like sensor boosters. Due to stacking, there is a hard limit to how many damps you can put on a target now (with any effect). Or just take some range: Lach/Arazu get no damp range bonus, and damp optimal is pretty small -- beyond that, damps become chance-based. Lach/Arazu damp bonus needs to be at least doubled. They get a grand total of a +25% bonus, ffs, while the Rook gets a 100% bonus -- and that's to ECM, the most powerful form of ewar in the game. The cap situation should also be looked at. The cap on these ships is so bad it has to be flown to be believed. It's ridiculous. ...and if you want to use damps, you need to fit an armor tank. Which means fitting a 1600mm plate. Which makes the ship move and align slower than a battleship, in many cases (this from personal experience). I still sort of like the Lach & Arazu, the ranged point & scramble is very nice. But boy do the ships have issues, beyond that. They could seriously use some help.

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