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Kaylee Juuna
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:12:00 -
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I haven't gotten any trash men in space to salvage my missions (I only do level 1s, heh) but I don't understand why stealing the loot gives kill rights but stealing the wreck doesn't.
CCP, is there a reason for this or is it just something that wasn't apparent last patch?
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Izo Alabaster
Friendly Neighbourhood Extortion Company
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:19:00 -
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Not another one please.
Go look at any one of the over 9,000+ threads created regarding this exact topic please, and note the GM responses: The wrecks belong to anyone who can get to them first, hence the term "salvage."
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:27:00 -
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Wrong forum, old topic, nothing new… Impressive.
As for the answer, per CCP Prism X: Originally by: CCP Prism X
Why is stealing salvage OK?
It's not.
It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.
If you're surprised as to why the server does not consider it your stuff, it's because it's a mini profession designed for people who want to roam and look for salvage, not to further increase the revenue from mission grinding.. I doubt anyone with a perspective thinks we need to high-sec increase mission grinding any further.
In other words: they can't steal something that isn't yours. Salvage isn't yours — in fact, it doesn't even exist — before you create it by running a salvager on a wreck, at which point your salvage appears in your cargo hold. If someone steals your salvage, you can shoot them because you will either have theft aggression rights on them or killrights.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Future Mutant
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:41:00 -
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The bigger question is when are ppl going to stop whining because their salvage is being stolen...
Perhaps you could do something like, i dont know
SALVAGE FASTER
SHUT THE HELL UP AND SALVAGE BEFORE PPL STEAL IT
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PhoenixBomb
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:50:00 -
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Better question: why not let people take loot from wrecks without consequence, as well?
/dons flame shield and mace of trolling
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:50:00 -
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cry more noob
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:00:00 -
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Get to crowded mission hub. Park your alt in "mission running ship" to recon 3/3. Watch directional scanner for covops wreck /or not/.
It doesnt help you against ninja salvagers, but it can be fun.
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Builder Robert
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:03:00 -
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The wreck isn't yours anyway.
It belongs to the pirate who was flying it before you murdererered them.
You "carebear missioners" disgust me with your double standards.
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Kaylee Juuna
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:06:00 -
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I can almost taste the butthurt from you trash men.
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PhoenixBomb
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylee Juuna
I can almost taste the butthurt from you trash men.
Quit trolling. You've gotten more responses than this topic is worth. Answers are listed above, dead horse has been beaten.
Lock this ****.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:12:00 -
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You have already been paid through loot and bounty. The wreck itself has no value thus no owner.
If anything the wreck belongs to Concord/DED or whomever pays out the bounties on rats.
Same as insurance company taking ownership of a totalled car after insurance is paid but anything inside the wrecked car belongs to you (like your favourite CD or similar).
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:12:00 -
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I opened a mission the other day that had veldspar asteroids in them. I ran the mission, then came back in my mining ship. A ninja miner scanned me down and started stealing my roids, but I didn't get aggression against them!!! WTF CCP!!!!!1111 If I hadn't taken that mission, those asteroids wouldn't exist. If I hadn't shot the rats, that noobs ship would've been toast! Those asteroids belong to me, and ninja mining needs to cause aggression against the ninja miner!!!!!111111oneoneone
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylee Juuna
I can almost taste the butthurt from you trash men.
Oh, sorry. I assumed you were a mission runner, not a salvager.
But yes, you're right. Nothing butthurts mission runners more than being told (by CCP even) that they have to earn their salvage on (somewhat) equal terms to everyone else (I say somewhat, of course, since the MRs have a huge advantage). For some reason, they have this weird sense of entitlement that makes them expect to just be handed stuff for no reason.
Silly, isn't it? 
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Novantco
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Novantco on 28/09/2009 18:37:25
Baww
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Ghengis Tia
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:46:00 -
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Google: Eve-Ninja Salvager. You will get the full, bloated, redundant, and boring epic argument about this situation.
(In this reply, I have made an exception to my pledge to never read/post in any thread about other people salvaging other people's wrecks. The vehemence generated by, and the subsequent entrenched positions on both sides, make it a real waste of time and brainpower.)
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:55:00 -
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Moved to General Discussion.
Zymurgist
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Kaylee Juuna
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Kaylee Juuna on 28/09/2009 18:59:40
Originally by: Tippia
Oh, sorry. I assumed you were a mission runner, not a salvager.
I do run missions, and I haven't salvaged anything in the last 3 months. I was simply asking why it's allowed, and I got an answer so thanks.
What I also got was a bunch of garbage collectors that apparently get angry at people who even mention that profession. So, new question: why do trash men get so angry over this trivial topic?
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.28 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylee Juuna
So, new question: why do trash men get so angry over this trivial topic?
Because it's been brought up roughly a bazillion times and the answer is trivially easy to find.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Dario Wall
Caldari
Corvus Industries
Empire of Dirt
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Posted - 2009.09.28 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Pater Peccavi
I opened a mission the other day that had veldspar asteroids in them. I ran the mission, then came back in my mining ship. A ninja miner scanned me down and started stealing my roids, but I didn't get aggression against them!!! WTF CCP!!!!!1111 If I hadn't taken that mission, those asteroids wouldn't exist. If I hadn't shot the rats, that noobs ship would've been toast! Those asteroids belong to me, and ninja mining needs to cause aggression against the ninja miner!!!!!111111oneoneone
You leave my ninja mining alone! 
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.09.28 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Moved to General Discussion.
If this isn't adding fuel to the fire Zymmur, I don't know what is.
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OwlManAtt
Gallente
Yasashii Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.28 20:28:00 -
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Per CCP Mitnal: Originally by: CCP Mitnal
"Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."
Per GM Faolchu : Originally by: GM Faolchu
Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.
Per Senior GM Ytterbium : Originally by: GM Ytterbium
Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.
Per CCP Prism X : Originally by: CCP Prism X
Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.
(These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)
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Salliene
Gallente
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.09.28 20:31:00 -
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The bad thing about ninja salvaging is that it gets pretty boring when the MR just sits there and lets you take everything, even the loot.
So I took the probe launcher off of my covops and put it on my Dominix. Now I just help myself to all the bounties I can snag, it really is faster money wise and it helps my security status. If the MR leaves and there is a huge field of Angel wrecks there, I can just come and get that too. And usually the loot.
To be honest I'd rather be exploring for plexes, but since Apocrypha 9/10 sites you find just turn out to be wormholes, which means big time investment. Since I only have 2 hours at best per night to play, I have to do other peoples missions.
It's all the fault of CCP really.
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Rilwar
BlackStar Industrial
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Posted - 2009.09.28 20:44:00 -
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Another one of these?
Ohmai.
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.28 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Salliene
To be honest I'd rather be exploring for plexes, but since Apocrypha 9/10 sites you find just turn out to be wormholes, which means big time investment. Since I only have 2 hours at best per night to play, I have to do other peoples missions.
It's all the fault of CCP really.
I'm not sure what's worse. Carebear mission running, or pretending you're a pirate and running a carebear's mission for them.
You're not stealing bounties, you're helping someone make LP faster. 
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Armoured C
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.09.28 20:56:00 -
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concord like to see you whine
please continue
Armoured C
forum extraordinaire
#72 top poster
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Decarus
Amarr
The R.I.T.U.A.L Corp
Twilight Federation
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Posted - 2009.09.28 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Decarus on 28/09/2009 21:15:25
Edited by: Decarus on 28/09/2009 21:14:09
Originally by: Seriously Bored
I'm not sure what's worse. Carebear mission running, or pretending you're a pirate and running a carebear's mission for them.
You're not stealing bounties, you're helping someone make LP faster.
Correct me if I'm wrong.. but isn't TEARS one of the more public Ninja Salvager corp in EVE and as such: why should TEARS members care if they are helping a carebear make LPs, or not, as long as they get their green?
You'd actually go out of your way and loose ISK generation just to make them carebears cry.. wouldn't you? And then you'd go to the forums and complain how hard you hardcore PvPers have it as EVE PvP is an ISK sink?
It doesn't matter which side of the fence you're on if you're an elitist jerk.. you're still a jerk.
Might as well just admit it like me.
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Akiba Penrose
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Posted - 2009.09.28 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylee Juuna
So, new question: why do trash men get so angry over this trivial topic?
I dont think they get so upset because they are trash men.
I think they are regular forum trolls that have discovered that they can almost freely insult and bash anyone that brings up a game mechanic/balance topic, without getting banned.
Guess its a intended feature from CCP.
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Neon Delight
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Posted - 2009.09.28 21:35:00 -
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Dear Noob:
Please read the Knowledgebase and Dev Blogs for enlightenment on various topics so that you might actually have a hope of making an intelligent and informed post someday.
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Domoso
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Posted - 2009.09.28 21:35:00 -
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Here's another instance where CCP got it wrong. And yet so many seem to think CCP can do no wrong. The loot and the salvage should have belonged to the missioner. And then the missioner should have had the ability to "sell" the salvage and/or rights to someone interested in such a profession. Ninjaing is not a mini-profession. It's the next most profitable avenue for a player that doesn't have the skills or money to get into industry. No, actually, it's more profitable than missioning considering there is little risk of losing one's ship.
It would have provided more of what CCP supposedly much desires, player interaction.
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.28 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Seriously Bored on 28/09/2009 21:45:58
Originally by: Decarus
Correct me if I'm wrong.. but isn't TEARS one of the more public Ninja Salvager corp in EVE and as such: why should TEARS members care if they are helping a carebear make LPs, or not, as long as they get their green?
Maybe I took the alliance acronym too literally.
But you're right, if TEARS are making their isk, there's no complaint. It's just that you're helping the mission runner, not making them cry, if your actions cause them to complete the mission faster...
But if the mission runner doesn't realize that, I guess you accomplished your goal anyway.
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It doesn't matter which side of the fence you're on if you're an elitist jerk.. you're still a jerk.
Might as well just admit it like me.
Awesome. You got me there I guess.
EDIT:
I should clarify all this by saying I run plenty of missions myself (though I'm starting to hate it), and my PVP record is hilariously awful (though I love it), but I still fall on the side that says wrecks should stay exactly as they are.
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