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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.10.26 20:18:00 -
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autocannons are fine
"We brake for nobody"
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.10.26 20:18:00 -
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autocannons are fine
"We brake for nobody"
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Chee
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Posted - 2004.10.26 20:29:00 -
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signed. anything. please!
*looks with big puppy eyes at ccp*
pretty please a fix?
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Chee
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Posted - 2004.10.26 20:29:00 -
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signed. anything. please!
*looks with big puppy eyes at ccp*
pretty please a fix?
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Hobbsalong
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Posted - 2004.10.26 21:10:00 -
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I want to remain Minmtar and train in Minmtar specific skills. But this retarded nerf has got me all confused.
CCP are either slow or just don't care what the community is asking them in this regard. Just fix the damn turrets on Minn BS.
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Hobbsalong
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Posted - 2004.10.26 21:10:00 -
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I want to remain Minmtar and train in Minmtar specific skills. But this retarded nerf has got me all confused.
CCP are either slow or just don't care what the community is asking them in this regard. Just fix the damn turrets on Minn BS.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.10.26 22:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
there is nothing wrong with shield tanking.
If by "nothing wrong" you mean no where near as good as armor tanking then yes...
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.10.26 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
there is nothing wrong with shield tanking.
If by "nothing wrong" you mean no where near as good as armor tanking then yes...
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Venna
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Posted - 2004.10.27 03:41:00 -
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I totally agree with the original poster. CCP has said they can't fix projectiles until after Shiva. But why not at least give the Tempest a boost somewhere. Just a temporary fix until something permanent is fixed with projectiles.
Instead they leave all Tempest pilots steaming angry because they all have to wait, wait, and wait and nothing is done at all.
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Venna
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Posted - 2004.10.27 03:41:00 -
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I totally agree with the original poster. CCP has said they can't fix projectiles until after Shiva. But why not at least give the Tempest a boost somewhere. Just a temporary fix until something permanent is fixed with projectiles.
Instead they leave all Tempest pilots steaming angry because they all have to wait, wait, and wait and nothing is done at all.
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Lucky One
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Posted - 2004.10.27 04:07:00 -
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Come on, it hasn't been that long.
Amarr Battleships were little more than glorified miners/npcers for about 8 months, while the Tempests did insane damage. If you are hoping to go back to the glory days of Tempests killing everything, I think you are going to be sorely dissapointed! Get more creative with your setups instead of constantly complaining!
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Lucky One
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Posted - 2004.10.27 04:07:00 -
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Come on, it hasn't been that long.
Amarr Battleships were little more than glorified miners/npcers for about 8 months, while the Tempests did insane damage. If you are hoping to go back to the glory days of Tempests killing everything, I think you are going to be sorely dissapointed! Get more creative with your setups instead of constantly complaining!
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.10.27 05:37:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
there is nothing wrong with shield tanking.
If by "nothing wrong" you mean no where near as good as armor tanking then yes...
there is nothing wrong with shield tanking. maybe on a tempest, becouse you cant fitt right, but on a raven for example, shield tanking is good...
"We brake for nobody"
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.10.27 05:37:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
there is nothing wrong with shield tanking.
If by "nothing wrong" you mean no where near as good as armor tanking then yes...
there is nothing wrong with shield tanking. maybe on a tempest, becouse you cant fitt right, but on a raven for example, shield tanking is good...
"We brake for nobody"
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Zazita
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Posted - 2004.10.27 05:54:00 -
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I think some kind of missle bonus would be the best way to fix the tempest. Have one turret related bonus and one missle related bonus, this would maintain the duel role aspect of the ship extremely well imo and would also compesate for the (purposfully) lower tracking of projectile weapons. |
Zazita
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Posted - 2004.10.27 05:54:00 -
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I think some kind of missle bonus would be the best way to fix the tempest. Have one turret related bonus and one missle related bonus, this would maintain the duel role aspect of the ship extremely well imo and would also compesate for the (purposfully) lower tracking of projectile weapons. |
Arthur Guinness
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Posted - 2004.10.27 06:26:00 -
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Tempest lacks at least 50 cpu for a decent shield tank.
I can easily shield tank my raven with 6x siege and 2x heavy nos.... try doing that with a tempest, 1400mm's alone + shield tank is almost impossible. |
Arthur Guinness
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Posted - 2004.10.27 06:26:00 -
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Tempest lacks at least 50 cpu for a decent shield tank.
I can easily shield tank my raven with 6x siege and 2x heavy nos.... try doing that with a tempest, 1400mm's alone + shield tank is almost impossible. |
lollerskates
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Posted - 2004.10.27 07:41:00 -
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Personally I've never used a tempest, but I remember months ago, the tempest was the Uber pirate ship. It even has speed sails on it! Anyways, I used to envy the tempest pilots who could tear cruisers apart in mere shots, laying down insane damage from great distances. This is when I started packing a pair of 1400's on my scorpion... The insane range and damage was unbeatable, considdering they used no cap. Countless times flying my scorp, i'd see a pod upto 50km or so away, and fire 2 emp slugs at it and toast it. Then a patch came out where the optimal was cut down on the 1400's, but CCP promised that a more useful falloff would make up for it. Now i've flown with tempest pilots, fought tempest pilots, and ever since that patch, it's one of the most pathetic battleships on combat. In fleet battles, you dont even bother jamming them because they dont hurt anymore. Now projectiles being nerfed is one thing, but missles... Now that the torpedo has a damage bonus for training it up, the raven is right back up on the top of the foodchain. So i must say, the tempest saw it's short period of glory, but now it's a worthless pile of crap with 6 nerf gun hardpoints.
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lollerskates
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Posted - 2004.10.27 07:41:00 -
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Personally I've never used a tempest, but I remember months ago, the tempest was the Uber pirate ship. It even has speed sails on it! Anyways, I used to envy the tempest pilots who could tear cruisers apart in mere shots, laying down insane damage from great distances. This is when I started packing a pair of 1400's on my scorpion... The insane range and damage was unbeatable, considdering they used no cap. Countless times flying my scorp, i'd see a pod upto 50km or so away, and fire 2 emp slugs at it and toast it. Then a patch came out where the optimal was cut down on the 1400's, but CCP promised that a more useful falloff would make up for it. Now i've flown with tempest pilots, fought tempest pilots, and ever since that patch, it's one of the most pathetic battleships on combat. In fleet battles, you dont even bother jamming them because they dont hurt anymore. Now projectiles being nerfed is one thing, but missles... Now that the torpedo has a damage bonus for training it up, the raven is right back up on the top of the foodchain. So i must say, the tempest saw it's short period of glory, but now it's a worthless pile of crap with 6 nerf gun hardpoints.
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Hornymatt
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Posted - 2004.10.27 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Moridan
Of course the worst problem for the 1400/1200 is the rate of fire. The tach fires nearly twice as fast, 12.5 vs 23.625 respectively again. Thats means the 1400s damage over time, no matter how accurate your gun is, is gonna suck in comparison.
Don't forget the reloading, with the 1400's use phased plasma and every eleven salvos your guns empty. Even with depleted uranium the 1400's only hold 20 shells
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Hornymatt
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Posted - 2004.10.27 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Moridan
Of course the worst problem for the 1400/1200 is the rate of fire. The tach fires nearly twice as fast, 12.5 vs 23.625 respectively again. Thats means the 1400s damage over time, no matter how accurate your gun is, is gonna suck in comparison.
Don't forget the reloading, with the 1400's use phased plasma and every eleven salvos your guns empty. Even with depleted uranium the 1400's only hold 20 shells
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NateX
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Posted - 2004.10.27 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Steevodeevo
Edited by: Steevodeevo on 26/10/2004 09:19:09
As a lot of minmatar ships rely on using a mix of guns and missiles, how about applying a missile bonus? The other races get bonuses that apply to most/all highslots, yet minmatar only get bonuses for their turret slots.
I'm able to fly an apoc, but would actually prefer to use a tempest. If I could get a meaningful short range setup going, consisting of effective autocannons and torpedo launchers.
Not taking into account here that a tempest will die should it ever go in where my apoc barely survives...
OR:
As it is always stated, minmatar ships are nutshells armed with sledgehammers. Make a new bonus that lets their ships fire 2 missiles from a launcher - simultaneously. That would fit with their building and battle philosophy.
like a bouns to thermal ? thing that is minmattar,
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NateX
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Posted - 2004.10.27 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Steevodeevo
Edited by: Steevodeevo on 26/10/2004 09:19:09
As a lot of minmatar ships rely on using a mix of guns and missiles, how about applying a missile bonus? The other races get bonuses that apply to most/all highslots, yet minmatar only get bonuses for their turret slots.
I'm able to fly an apoc, but would actually prefer to use a tempest. If I could get a meaningful short range setup going, consisting of effective autocannons and torpedo launchers.
Not taking into account here that a tempest will die should it ever go in where my apoc barely survives...
OR:
As it is always stated, minmatar ships are nutshells armed with sledgehammers. Make a new bonus that lets their ships fire 2 missiles from a launcher - simultaneously. That would fit with their building and battle philosophy.
like a bouns to thermal ? thing that is minmattar,
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NateX |
Muad 'dib
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Posted - 2004.10.27 09:12:00 -
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Signed.
Been waiting, still waiting.
i pay for eve, i wanted a long range fighting ship as soon as i got it, the patch came in (same f-ing week). i have owned a tempest for several months infact my insurance ran out last month!!!! i used 4 torp launchers and nos and stuff which makes me equal with a scorp... only slightly tanked and without EW!!!!!!!!!
getting very bored waiting for this much needed balencing on the tempest/mim ships.
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Muad 'dib
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Posted - 2004.10.27 09:12:00 -
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Signed.
Been waiting, still waiting.
i pay for eve, i wanted a long range fighting ship as soon as i got it, the patch came in (same f-ing week). i have owned a tempest for several months infact my insurance ran out last month!!!! i used 4 torp launchers and nos and stuff which makes me equal with a scorp... only slightly tanked and without EW!!!!!!!!!
getting very bored waiting for this much needed balencing on the tempest/mim ships.
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capt
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Posted - 2004.10.27 09:47:00 -
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Signed.
Frankly I got a very bad feeling that we will be waiting a very long time.
They said they will look into it after Shiva and after missiles overhaul ect.... Knowing how fast CCP works I guess Christmass 2005 will be a good guess.
I'm starting to skill every other type of gun and ship available so I will always have an alternative to yet another borked nerf.
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capt
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Posted - 2004.10.27 09:47:00 -
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Signed.
Frankly I got a very bad feeling that we will be waiting a very long time.
They said they will look into it after Shiva and after missiles overhaul ect.... Knowing how fast CCP works I guess Christmass 2005 will be a good guess.
I'm starting to skill every other type of gun and ship available so I will always have an alternative to yet another borked nerf.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.10.27 11:14:00 -
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Unbalancing the tempest won't balance projectiles. People are already doing crazy things like fitting mega pulses on them. Boosting the tempest in anyway other than fixing projectiles will only cause more problems than it solves.
And yes, it still sucks that you have to wait for projectiles to be fixed.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.10.27 11:14:00 -
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Unbalancing the tempest won't balance projectiles. People are already doing crazy things like fitting mega pulses on them. Boosting the tempest in anyway other than fixing projectiles will only cause more problems than it solves.
And yes, it still sucks that you have to wait for projectiles to be fixed.
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